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Guest Post: Peace On Earth, Good Will To Wankers
Submitted by JM
Peace On Earth, Good Will To Wankers
Banking and the financial sector is not only vital to society, it is inextricably connected to all wealth, all jobs, and all growth. It doesn’t matter what you do or if you think you are somehow disconnected from it. Without a banking system, life as we know it takes a big turn for the worse. Love it or hate it, your life won’t be the same without it.
There is no excusing the greed, corruption, and lack of appropriate standards of action in the financial system that in large part got us into our current malaise. There is also no excusing the greed, corruption, and lack of accountable, representative decision-making within governments of the world. There is no excusing the lunacy of “last resort buyers” putting a bid on everything in distress. There is no excusing the lack of personal responsibility contributed to it as well. It is enough to make decent people lose their minds.
I can understand the need to vent anonymously some bitter and dark thoughts about banks of varied stripe. It is even healthy if you can move on, unburdened, as a result. But when those thoughts become self-feeding malignancies, it is altogether destructive.
I have no reservations about the newsworthiness of Mark Madoff’s death. Nor do I think it unreasonable to suspect foul play in the matter. But when I read comments that celebrate the death of a man they did not know—and further, I read that all bankers and their families deserve the same fate—this is a dark malignancy. It’s just too far. This is no better than the politico who called for Assange’s execution. Not all bankers have done harm.
Surrealism aside, the very notion of “deserves” is odious. It signifies an entitlement, a sense of injured innocence that is at best narcissistic. Left unchecked this self-deception becomes sadistic. Things sure would be better if fewer bankers smugly talked about the bonuses they deserve.
It seems that all sides have run short on dignified silence.
Some of us have to devote significant time to thinking about extremes. Mathematical models and historical parallels are the inexact tools to describe how and where history rhymes. Precisely where analysis ends and narrative begins is difficult to know, but there are many awful things in history’s peaks and troughs.
Rhyming History
Germany is a unique place: Abundant mathematical creativity. The home to some of the greatest musical art ever conceived, on par with the math. The culture also produced quiet, unassuming temperaments of people like Bernhard Riemann, whose work took decades to be fully grasped. Simple German faith made calm and clear Christmas hymns like “Stille Nacht.” Germans hold in high esteem Goethe’s Faust, the story of a man that sold his very soul to the devil. The message: the best of us can fall under dark impulses. When the most of us fall under them, you have a nightmare.
Here’s some food for thought about what it means to kill innocent people. If you actually believe that every banker and their family deserve to be “strung up” or otherwise killed for something they never did: have a good look at your forebears.
“I would rather be judged by wild animals, to fall into a den of lions, than to fall into the hands of a witch judge.”
—Hermann Loher, 1650
This quote highlights something about inhumanity. Falling into the hands of inhumanity is worse than anything that any animal’s jaws. Inhumanity premeditates pain, revenge, and pleasure in these cruelty. There is no one more inhuman a witch judge. Extortion is pure and sincere compared to it. If there was ever a thing that deserves the title “evil” this was it—precisely because it was done under the wing of clergy in the name of God. Those who spew venom like “kill a banker’s sons and daughters” deserve to see what they really are.
Franz Buirmann went to the little villages of Rheinbach in the 1630s. Of 300 households he left only 150, torturing the rest of them to death. He left much richer for the effort, by the way. A witch judge (and his sponsoring bishop) was entitled to the property of any “witch” he convicted. Do you want to venture a guess as to who these victims were? They were the richest citizens at first. Common decent folk were only quietly upset with this, because they knew full well many of these were good hard-working people. Following this, the beautiful young madchen who wouldn’t yield their virtue to some vagabond torturer had their legs broken and needles jammed under their fingernails and toenails. They were, for their virtue, repeatedly raped then burned at the stake. Common folk knew they enabled a nightmare. Systematically those who opposed killing innocents and those who had anything of wealth were tortured and killed. By the time people acted in concerted opposition, it was easy for hardened folk-butchers to kill anyone who raised their eyes off the ground.
And oh, the inhuman details: names; horrific acts of cruelty; desperate, futile efforts to save a beloved wife; a consoling letter of an imprisoned mother to her five year old son—a little Latin scholar. The widow Christine Boffgen: rich, generous, well-respected, and dead after four days of unrelieved torture. The mayor, a Dr. Schweigel: tortured to death in mere hours because of his hernia. Although he willed his wealth to the poor, Buirmann took all of it. When he needed to cover his tracks, Buirmann even “discovered” his executioner was a witch, and had him burned at the stake.
This wasn’t an isolated case: there were plenty of eminent men serving under ruthless fanatics that let it happen. Everyone confessed, most often in the following way: denial, torture, confession, re-denial, re-torture, and final complete mental derangement that accepted all accusations. On promise of being strangled before burning at the stake, some would offer false testimony against those who tried to restrain the excesses of the witch judges. Because it was highly profitable to the politicians of the day, witch trials became more lawless and brutal. People would be bound on iron chairs and literally roasted into confession.
How did this nightmare end? Not all murderers got what they deserved. More often than not, the frenzies just burned themselves out after there was little left to destroy. In the face of rising hostility in Lindheim, A chief witch judge named Geiss continued his fury, until dismissed as a judge. His strongmen were burned on the same pyre as the witches, but after executing thirty innocent (wealthy) persons, he was not punished.
Here’s what justice means to a sadist that is happy to kill innocent people.
“With the same, in fact, with even greater indifference do I regard torturing you than I do bending this reed out of my path with my stick … When I have you tortured, and I bring you to confession, then I perform a work pleasing in God’s sight; and it profits me.” —Heinrich von Schultheis, 1634.
There are worse abuses for sure, but the example situates the “Kill all bankers and their families” types clear enough. Pick-pocketing bonuses out of taxpayer wallets make it easier for a man to become sick and pathetic.
An Unhappy Christmas Dirge
It is possible that the most diseased readers will feel not revulsion by this history. Be wary of unleashing bloodthirsty “justice” on injustice, because no one wins. Demented visions of justice really mean indiscriminant violence. And if one even tried to take action in that manner, they would most likely be put down easily and with a sigh of relief, like one would a rabid dog. Recall that executioners get burned at the stake along with their victims, while the politicos walk away.
Some of the most angry and self-righteous “victims” are lying to themselves about their own role in their situation. No doubt some are just too young and/or too stupid to get it. And there are always some that desire privileges fitting their perceived status. These types are permanent victims: they want their misery equally distributed to everyone. It is inconceivable to such people that someone else could actually live prudently, work hard, and not receive invisible favors. It’s easy to blame someone else when others are doing it too.
Others just want what human nature desires. They don’t expect the world to be perfect, but they do expect it to be decent. Decent in the same way they are… self-regulating and able to right obvious wrongs… to somehow impose clear justice on injustice. This is not the way of the world, and it is juvenile to demand it be so. Better to enjoy what you have with quietness. Be human, not inhuman.
Umm…Abacus Wasn’t God’s Work, Blankfein
Some financial types need some honest introspection about what integrity and decency really mean. Banks should admit it if they were on the brink and needed the bailout—just once, admit it! Taking funding from a Fed acronym is all the proof anyone needs. You’ll find honesty is far less shameful than the alternative. And be thankful to taxpayers and their children for the unwilling generosity—and thank China for those treasury purchases. By all means do God’s work. Tell the truth, and make a client for your clients instead of a profit off your clients. It will go a long way to healing legitimate grievances. Faust showed that even those who bargain with the devil can find redemption.
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This is why America sucks at empire.
and soccer to.
SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!
no it is "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL"
See, we suck at soccer. My bad.
Yes, but we are the best at baseball as witnessed by the fact that not a single baseball
team from another country has ever played in the "World Series" !!!
Pardon me for being pedantic, but the "World Series" was a championship first established by the newspaper New York World. They named the series after themselves. Expecting it to be international in scope is kind of the equivalent of having hockey's championship---the Stanley Cup---limited to people named Stanley.
Uuuuhhh, no.
I understand the sarcasm, but its not as funny because the Toronto Bluejays won the world series in '92 and '93
Fantastic article btw. Justice is logical
And some US citizens suck at cogency.
How real was a witch? Witches never existed. They were fictions, tales, superstition.
How to draw comparisons between an actual profession, banking and something that has never existed?
A guilty witch never existed. A guilty banker, yes.
Banking is real, witchcraft is not.
The article is so weak in the way it compares witchcraft and banking. So stupid.
Tyler, is this stage 1 in your depression?
This all sounds a bit melodramatic to me :)
Guest Post.
Wrong the banking system is nothing more than a over leveraged gambling operation. It's too late for me if they fake an apology. Fuck them
You should watch the movie: The merchant of Venice.
THAT'S A GOOD MOVIE ABOUT THE FIRST BANKERS!!
Can't pay back the loan do ya?!
I WANT 1 POUND OF YOU FLESH!
you may chose from which bodypart you cut the meat. My dog don't really care where it comes from.
.....holyshitzsssst, beer snorts out of nose
If by "fuck them" you mean let them fail off into the sunset, I'm cool with it.
I'm not cool with all the "kill the bankers and their families" comments that I see.
fuck you, JM. it is NOT juvenile to demand so. civilized society is founded on such justice, and while never fully attainable, we should not settle for less and "enjoy what we have with quietness". who the fuck are you? the ruling fucking elite? "enjoy what we have with quietness". get real, asshole.
we're getting played by an International Banking Cartel at the expense of liberty. this system you defend favors counterfeiters and their insider cronies at the expense of little old ladies scrubbing toilets. wealth is systematically and deliberately being siphoned upwards to the owners of our money supply, and those they enable to front-run the taxpayer via the treasury bond market.
This is a sick, twisted system. Further, those lapdog politicians who took an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution have routinely broken this oath. This is treason, and precisely why we find ourselves on the eve of our collapse. Many of us have been ranting for years about such outrageous wastefulness and destruction.
There is a war taking place between savers, conservationists, and lovers of liberty versus borrowers, consumers, and oligarchial fascists.
WE'VE BEEN MUCH TOO QUIET FOR MUCH TOO LONG!!!
Many of us have children. Some of us have bloodlines that have been here since before we were a United States. Our ancestors spilt blood for this country again and again, and they did not do it so that a handful of families in the International Banking Cartel could take every ounce of gold that was ever brought to these shores through the blood, sweat, and tears of the American people.
THE WORLD HAS NEVER KNOWN SUCH AN UNSPEAKABLE LEVEL OF WEALTH TRANSFER UPWARDS TO A GLOBAL ELITE. ITS STILL GOING ON!!!!
I'm not blaming the rank and file banker at the local branch office who is clearly livestock like the rest of us, but I AM blaming those who created this system of fraud and thievery (and their offspring - Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans - who continue this tradition of exploitation and robbery from once free people).
THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON, AND IF FOUND GUILTY BY A JURY, HANGED FROM THE GALLOWS. We'll be a stronger nation when it happens.
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you
The point of the quote is that you can demand all you want a certain type of world, but you won't ever get it. By all means, do your best to make the world how it should be. This is a noble effort.
There is no defense of banks in what I wrote. In fact, the opposite.
Your disgust with politicians is shared by me.
The rest I'll not comment on.
we're both entitled to our opinion. i appreciate the response.
With all due respect jm, I think you have the roles backward in your analogy. I would say it fits better if you let the global financial institutions and multinational corporations, who re-write the rules to suit themselves, buy the governments, and pillage the unprepared and largely powerless general population play the role of the predatory witch judges of the 17th century.
Telling people to accept what they have with quietness is equivalent to telling the villagers in your story to turn a blind eye as their neighbors were tortured, and hope that they wouldn't be next.
i agree.
This would be quite true if bankers were actually killing people. They are not. As far as mortgage stuff goes, they are exercising collateral on non-performing loans. Does this have an impact on debtors? Of course. But it always takes two sides with their own legal obligations to make a loan. Banks still have to follow due process, and it's putting some of them in a world of hurt, BTW.
If bankers start killing people to get them out of their homes, I'll sing a different tune.
Stealing a person's wealth to the point they starve, in order to enrich yourself, is not killing?
exactly. how about divorces, suicides, and murders caused by the redistribution of wealth upwards to a handful of families and their cronies.
THIS IS VIOLENCE. THIS IS FINANCIAL TERRORISM WITH DEATHLY CONSEQUENCES.
America once utilized competing asset-backed currencies which resulted in our very own Gilded Age bringing 8,000 tons of gold to our country which sits in Fort Knox today.
how can anyone defend this current system and the den of vipers which surrounds it?!!!
it is indefensible!!! is it not?!!!
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/how-do-we-arrive-eve-our-collapse-1
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm
I can't find the stealing. You take the loan and default, you pay the price. People unwilling to alter their lifestyles to fit their means need to course correct. There is ample public assistance that keeps people from starving to death.
i agree with you in philosophy, JM, but these "loans" are not like you lending me money. These "loans" are NOT "loans". They are agreements between a borrower and a bank, where the bank LITERALLY gets to manufacture money out of thin air because they have secured the agreement. There is a rule that says they must have at least 10% of the value of this newly created money on deposit already. Importantly, these banks do NOT lend out deposited money. This is the "fractional reserve" counterfeiting process that allows bankers to lend recklessly to your neighbor with whom you must compete for the same goods and services with money you've earned, and to whom you cannot loan counterfeited money as you would go to jail. This does NOT "grease the wheels of commerce". THIS IS AN ASSAULT ON LIBERTY TO ALL NON-BANKERS, AND HURTS THOSE OF US WHO DO NOT BORROW (savers and investors) BY CREATING ARTIFICIAL COMPETITION, AND THUS DRIVING UP THE PRICE, FOR EXISTING GOODS AND SERVICES (AGAIN, WITH COUNTERFEITED MONEY)!
...nevermind the moral hazard of FDIC Insurance, as that is an entirely different subject.
THE BANKING ELITES ARE ROBBING US WITH RULES THAT FAVOR THEMSELVES!
It will be too late by then.
Consider that courts will not allow banks to foreclose on mortgages with even suspect papers. Also consider the billions in charge-offs on consumer debt. Nobody even maimed for defaulting.
You concern is unfounded.
Are you for real? Banks haven't killed anyone yet?! Thats just about the stupidest thing I've heard yet! Ask all the ghosts in Iraq, Af, and Pak! Or go even further back and ask the folks in a myriad of other countries. I guess you mean they haven't caused amer. citizens to be gunned down yet in the homeland. Just give it time Mary.
Also regarding the file and rank workers of the banks: FUCK THEM! If you work for the machine, you should die with the machine. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.
The point is that the witch judges in the 17th century used whatever means necessary to steal the peoples' wealth. The torture and killing wasn't the end, it was the means to an end. The financial elite have the same end in mind today, and are simply using different means to achieve it. The fact that they aren't killing people (at least not directly) is irrelevant.
Some part of human makeup is predatory. It doesn't matter if you are a bank or not. When people follow destructive impulses, it is true that they will use any means to an end.
I can't believe that you can honestly say "that they aren't killing people is irrelevant." You are rationalizing here in a perverse way.
I'm an "eye for an eye" person.
Not "eye for a life" or "eye for a hair"
(O.K., may be "eye for an eye plus interests")
Having said that, I seriously do believe that some number of bankers do deserve to die.
The amount of suicides, starvation, etc. caused directly, or indirectly caused by the banks could not be ignored. Just look at the food inflation few years ago in developing nations and increasing suicides for economic reasons these days,
If they could compensate for the losses they have already caused, one way or another, I don't think they should be killed. However, the rather unfortunate fact is that even in the S&L crisis, the bankers only had to pay a few dimes on the dollar they fraudulently made. The bankers are not willing to pay, and the saddest thing is that the courts and law is not going to make them pay, and it is my understanding that they understand this. So I unfortunately came to the conclusion that the only way to get even, is to kill them.
I do understand that many young bankers had to become bankers because they needed to pay off their insanely expensive student loans just to survive. But cannibalization for survival and cannibalization for luxury is different. There is too much of the latter these days.
The United States has an awful system where financial perps see minimal if any jail time for the damage they do. Legal restitution is a joke. This does have to change.
But making "greed far beyond callous indifference to human life" a crime punishable by death casts a very wide net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNu9wp3tYdU&feature=related
They are going to wake up in a world with nothing but big mean ass lions with groceries tattooed on their ass.
To excuse "some" bankers, the ones that have not necessarily done wrong, is not really appropriate. Every man and woman, by not being conscious to their day to day actions, by not understanding the effect of their day to day actions on the greater society, are not being responsible for their own existence.
Man up, or fuck off. No need to kill anyone, violence begets more violence. Awareness is the only necessary ingredient.
Its always too funny when some "tough" guy uses the F-word and then goes on to tell everyone that violence is for losers. BWAHAHA!!! I say you are just a big pussy! There is always a time for violence, and we have passed it long ago. I see your Buddha avatar denotes you as a tough, yet peaceful guy... Fuck you! Being a buddhist doesn't mean you have to roll over and take life in your a-hole! Your western view of buddhism is chocked full of holes.
Here's a bit from the Koran that reflects what all religions feel on violence "Be thou hot or cold, for Allah despises the luke warm"
Buddhism is not a religion. Dropped on your head as a child much?
The principal wanker is the idiot who wrote this drivel.
Thank you, sir, may I have another ?
what's a W A N K h E R, anyway?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wanker
Unfortunately the damages are done. The loss of credibilty has already occurred and continues in spades. Unless there are some miraculous prosecutions of some of the most egregious offenders, the bar has been lowered forever, sorry to say. The only possible solution now is some form or collapse and start over and or revolt circa 1967 China cultural revolution against the ruling class/bourgoise. Other wise we will die a slow death into "negative propserity" ala QE ad infinitum, the new dynamic................ I just coined a new phrase. Unless America wakes up real soon we are in fact fucked one way or the other. Time to have an exit strategy in place from the game.
Please point me to the exact comment thread on this site where a ZH poster has stated that the families of bankers should be killed. And you do understand that banksters are the modern-day incarnations of your witch hunters, no? Or do you think that the thousands of pensioners and other victims who live on fixed incomes and are going to see their life's work evaporated in bankster-caused hyperinflation somehow less worthy of sympathy than the tragic figures which you put on display?
The monsters which are displayed in your piece of pablum destroyed individuals. Our monsters are destroying countries for their rank greed.
Grow up.
Read the comments on the Mark Madoff piece. There are more than a few.
"Grow up" is what I'm recommending.
Problem is, your article is written as lecture to the commoners from a holier-than-thou perch, which is hardly a "grown-up" position. It is also written as a "you people don't know what you're wishing for," when you have no idea what the individual reader may, or may not desire. Well, guess what? When writing this, you obviously didn't know what you're wishing for.
As evidenced by the responses, all you have done is to stir up more trouble, where none may have existed before. In other words, you ensure your words fall upon deaf ears in order to make them into a weapon of sorts. While I'm sure your attempt was to warn others, what you've done instead, is to help spread the very ideas you refute, by giving them life in the minds of the readers.
In other words, thanks to you, killing bankers and their families is now firmly a part of the ideascape on ZH. You really need to recognize the need to learn to ignore immaturity on the net, not to embrace it with a crusade, as this is a battle you cannot win.
One of the oldest, most basic truisms about internet communities is "Don't feed the Troll." If you fail to heed this advice, the ramifications of your actions will ALWAYS run counter to your intentions. (not to mention that the trolls will flock to you as an easy mark)
There is nothing superior about me.
What motivated this piece is reading the comments about Mark Madoff. And you can't even see how awful some of that stuff was.
I admit that anonymous venting can be healthy. But I'm going to speak up about stuff that is wrong.
Go ahead and keep speaking against what is wrong. We all know how much good that does. I say fuck Mark Madhoff, and fuck his whole family. Why are their lives worth more than the people they've fleeced?! We should have their heads on fucking pikes if you ask me.
After finishing this essay, by coincidence, I saw my kids counting some coins at the kitchen table, so I overturned it.
Jesus, that's harsh!
The bracelets are working!
Also, fuck the wankers and the bankers. No apologies will suffice for damages done. This kind of thinking is what is wrong in US. No proper boundaries for criminals, sieze assets and prosecute the bastards and then let them run naked thru the streets of east LA or Compton as their families watch on Live TV .
Just a thought ?
Who wrote this shit? "JM"? Missed a middle initial - "P". Fucking WANKER.
I thought the author made some very valid points . There is a lot of venom and bitterness out there . No doubt a small amoral/immoral minority deserve the vitriol flung in their direction , but there has to be limits . Wishing physical harm on other human beings and their families is stepping over the line . It's tempting and perhaps natural to view all financial institutions and their employees through the same negative lense . It's certainly not fair though .
Where are the limits on the avarice? The corruption? How many families have been destroyed by insatiable greed and power lust? Where's the line?
Well how fair is the fact that millions of people lost their jobs, their homes and their dignity so that these fuckers can prosper. Frankly anyone who works for a bank is morally unsound given the damage these institutions have done. They are beyond redemption. So fuck them.
+ a lot
The bankers are laughing, or oblivious. Trust me, I know a few.
No doubt some are. I guarantee some are not.
There I go, stereotyping again. You're right.
You're an Idiot. It goes with the territory.
Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.
How do you tell...if they float?
What a fucking tool and an apologist for criminal activity. These scumbags deserve what they're going to get when the collapse comes.
Here Here!!!!
from the wire - interesting. The world is falling apart the right way.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/12/14/gunman-sprayed-v-for-vendetta-sym...
Ferg, wonder why there is a lot of venom/angst ? Do you need a list of names which have been reported on numerous sites ad infintum so everyone is certain to be specific and not punish all bankers? That isn't even close to the point or reality ?
If we as a society cannot come to a conclusion of egregious wrongful acts/ crimes committed our society and agree that there MUST be accountability, then we deserve to be brutalized as we have. Your thinking is for weaklings and apparently there is no short supply as we let these monsters go unabridged in their crimes. Grow up and grow a pair for your grand children or somebody ? I am sick of apologist and view them as part of the problem not the answer/solution . Some heads need to swing and should.
Where did I say there is no place for accountability? I'll have no truck with crazy people that glorify killing people, though.
Man, you love your broad-brush inflammatory labels don't you. "Crazy" people, "glorify" killing. After a while, people just don't want to turn the other bruised and swollen cheek.
You can't simply blame bankers for everything. In the case of foreclosures, there was a decision made by debtor to take a loan. There was a counterparty to all these securitizations that took the trade. There is so much blame to go around it will make you dizzy.
I certainly am not and I haven't gotten the impression anyone here really is either - and certainly no hordes of Charlie Mansons roaming Wall Street or the Hamptons.
We are talking about the chattelization of an entire planet by small select class of people. We are talking about malignant deviant behavior that is being obscenly rewarded with public funds - behavior that suggests the inability to comprehend remorse.
I think the issue isn't so much that people took loans they couldn't afford and are now being foreclosed upon, as it is that the banks made loans they knew were unsound, pocketed the fees, then socialized the inevitable losses, and then paid themselves ridiculous bonuses for profiting risk-free on the very money given to bail them out of the losses. This is so clearly obviously wrong on so many levels, is it any wonder that there's a growing tide of anger?
consider the fact that the bank created money out of thin air upon gaining the borrowing agreement (via the fractional reserve counterfeiting process). this system is completely designed by bankers to serve bankers. ludicrous.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm
Debtor took the loan on the following false suggestion...
"I won't be able to afford it when the rate resets."
"Well just come back before the 3 years and we will refinance you."
Investor took the trade on the following false representation.
"It is agreed and understood by the Depositor, the Seller, the Servicer and the Trustee that it is not intended that any Mortgage Loan be included in the Trust Fund that is a high-cost home loan as defined by the HOEPA or any other applicable predatory or abusive lending laws. "
great point.
I'm not condoning this.
I enjoyed your post JM. Im not defending the tptb either. Bankers and govt are clearly ravaging this country. However, if the general population was educated or gave a fuck, we could throw them out on the street tomorrow. It is idea's that change the world. Unfortunately, the sheeple don't have any. Rulers cannot govern without the consent of the governed, and justice is logical
and you are not acknowleding this either, with your "takes two to tango" bullshit.
You need to re-read The Big Short. There is so much criminal activity detailed in there that people blythely (geddit?) assume is ok...well, Abacus was described in there and there is plenty more...
If you were so concerned about innocents being slaughtered I suggest you campaign for accountability, how 'bout some 'stop the lootin' and start the prosecutin', and what Galbraith said..."prognosticators to the rear, prosecutors to the fore' or something, so that potentially violent people had some faith in the system and did not feel the need to act in a vacuum.
You know, when you grow up you are going to look back on this pompous piece of horse-shit and be soooo embarrassed. You will want to go all 1650 on yourself.
So put them in jail. Is it because I talk about right and wrong that makes you infer that I am a young man? I have three kids and I've seen a lot in this world.
Author compares truth-seeking to a witch hunt.
What pandering, relativist nonsense.
The premeditation of offenders actions puts them into a category I call diseased. Correcting the cause of disease is the primary goal, but treatment of the related symptomatology at times must be pursued to ease the suffering of the host whilst patiently waiting for nature to run its course.
Compassion is a very tough trait to maintain as you're being wronged repeatedly, but in my view it is the only thing that separates a concious, rational person who is part of the solution from our current batch of well positioned psychopaths.
The popularity of this site and others givs me some hope. Most of the time I feel like I'm on a fucking island. At least I have RoboTr.... wait, yep still on my island.
The author is off his meds. This rambling manifesto needs work. The unabomber's cabin may be for sale.
His one point something acres is for sale. But the cabin was carted off to some museum or something!
wow - the Harry Wanker got a Christmas greeting from ZH!
We are witnessing the boundaries of greed,............. there aren't any. If we are weak, we deserve our treatment. No apologies will suffice, only give back the money and take your licks, one way or the other. No different than a street encounter. We shall see what the sheep do if they ever realize what has taken place ?
dp
Sheeple will do what Sheeple usually do. Nothing. Watch the big sellout of the tea party in the next six months by their representatives. Sheeple get fleeced. That's what Sheeple are for. They almost never fight back. This is how the world works.
you're right. this is a street brawl, and will likely be settled there. the wealth continues to be stolen. they will push us as far as we will allow. time to push back. Anyone who loves this country should join in, especially those individuals who are high-ranking in our military.
Our country is being robbed by a handful of elites. Front-running the U.S. Treasury bond market is not a 'service'. A monopoly on debt-based money is not a 'service'. these are predatory practices. period. these fuckers will hang for these very reasons if i have my say.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm
I'm not supporting the bankers just making an observation. If they technically follow the law in their endeavors and we give them a handout they don't feel any gratitude. It's another day of business and there is no room for morality. Most traders and speculators just want to know what the rules are so they can technically comply and push them to their limits. If you are handing out free money it means you are stupid and the banker speculator or trader doesn't owe you a darn thing. That's how they think. I can't say that I blame them because that iwoyld be a moral judgment and only rules count. To bring morals into this issue just makes people seem odd and irrational to a banker or professional speculator.
WTF
Then don't call it morals. Just call it your fiduciary responsibility to serve your clients not screw them.
Big Dick Jr, THEY WRITE THE FUCKING LAWS!!!
Exactly. Of course they follow the laws, because they write laws that are easy for them to follow.
Then how come they can't foreclose on people without proper paperwork? If they really do write law at their whim, why are prime dealers having to move from making a CDS quote via a phone call to an exchange cleared platform?
I could go on.
DON'T WORRY, THEY'RE WORKING ON CHANGING THE LAW!! W-A-K-E. U-P!!!!
JM, YOU TRULY ARE A FUCKING IDIOT. SHAME ON YOU.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm
Thanks. You just made my point. THEY COULDN'T FORECLOSE.
NO, IDIOT, YOU ARE WRONG!
It hasn't stopped the cartel from trying!! THEY ALMOST GOT AWAY WITH CHANGING THE LAW AGAIN!!! The foreclosure bill went all the way to the President where it was vetoed!!!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870469630457553813174470595...
I used to blame the victims just like you, JM. Yes, some gullible monkeys signed on the dotted line, but that is hardly the full story, and you are in denial. Our system is corrupt to the very core mechanisms of cause and effect. There are a handful of banking families at the center of this collusive activity. Poor Americans are suffering more than anyone, and more poor Americans are being created each year. It makes no difference that these ruling elites are rolling their profits back into their livestock with such programs as national healthcare. THERE IS A SYSTEMATIC THEFT TAKING PLACE!!! ...AND YOU DEFEND THE BANKERS?!!!!!
OUR MONOPOLY DEBT-BASED MONEY IS THE MOST UN-AMERICAN CARTEL IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. WE ARE RUINED BECAUSE OF IT. READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK, YOU MORON!!!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!!!
Their bodies putrefying in gold plated coffins.
Yes, I can live with that image.
But, better I know they truly regretted their actions even though I am not their judge, nor executioner.
There are millions of Clay Dukes but few with his courage/honesty. So are we all simply sheep and cower at TPTB ? In fact we have the power not them by shear numbers. but it has not solidified..................YET. we shall see
There are millions of Clay Dukes but few with his courage/honesty. So are we all simply sheep and cower at TPTB ? In fact we have the power not them by shear numbers. but it has not solidified..................YET. we shall see
In all seriousness whats courageous about pulling a gun at a school board meeting?
the amoral/immoral distinction mentioned one of the posters is very apt. I may have morals that I follow or don't follow in my private life and work, but the speculation/investment game is not a place for moralizers. This is a darwinian game and you are predator or prey. Nothing personal but if you pass out free money players will take it and feel no obligation toward you. In the speculation/investment game rules count, but morals have no place. Moralizers will be left behind because it impairs your investment/speculation judgment. If you see a confused look on someone who is an investor or speculator when you talk about morals then you know his philosophy.
I'll say it again. Don't concern yourself with morals. Consider your fiduciary responsibility to act in the interests of your clients, not act in such a way that screws them.
a good rule to follow. Enlightened self interest and creating win win situations can bring prosperity to everyone, but it is not a moral issue.
Agreed. If no one honors this fiduciary interest, they won't stay in business over the long haul.
....dunno about everyone. I have 2 enlightened, immoral, self interested relatives who are presently bankrupted.
One of the real rules of the game is that you can break written rules often without penalty. There are the written rules and then there are the unspoken rules. The unspoken rules are the most important ones to take note of.
BD, your statement "I can't say that I blame them" points out exactly what my point is, it also defines you. So if we don't have any morals or rules or boundaries to go by and we simply bend the rules as necessary it is ok ? This is exactly what is wrong with America, no proper boundaries and a lack of will to enforce anything ? Actaully it isn't a moral judgment it is a very intellectual judgment. Without boundaries excatly what is left ?? Only profit ? ponder that.
It was a "cap gun" and I was referring to his words/post/ideas. please go back and reread for all the details. My point is what have all the people here on ZH done to change anything except post and complain ? Perhaps it is time to reconsider positions and importance.
I am glad to finally see some sanity on Zero Hedge. You guys are acting like a bunch of deranged Marxists. Wishing harm to people is awful.
You're acting no better than the Nazis or the Communists in the Cultural Revolution.
Seriously.
Not a dime's worth better.
Many of us have the training and experience to demonstrate why things went wrong and how we can come back from it. You know better. Share that on these pages.
I was about ready to turn my back on ZeroHedge. I'm so happy to have read JM's post and that Tyler Durden put it up there.
Let's be better men. We have it within us to put forth policies that would make sense; in the way the programmers have built on Linux, we need our own economic and financial version of Linux.
If you’re tired of being robbed by Bankster’s and Politicians that line their pockets at the expense of the PEOPLE, then watch the YouTube video “Join the WAVE” at (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HMnI8X6rvk).
Fight tyranny and help the movement to go viral!! It’s time to take OUR COUNTRY BACK!!
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Inspiring. It is true that a class losing it's wealth due to fraud, it is wise for them to stand up when you still? have the ability to, before the strife.
I think alot of people missed the point of this article. Alot should hang not all should hang. I think people need to substitute "kill the bankers" with "names of the real criminals". namely larry summers, alan greenspan, ben bernanke, george w. bush, dick cheney, jamie dimon, lloyd blankfein, robert rubin, I could go on...But, very few will name names so I guess the collectivist dogma shall rule and innocent shall die? what about the neighborhood banks that went belly up because they spent they're last fiat fractional reserve checking dollar lending to the local business before they went belly up instead of going all in on fraud and still surviving...How many banks were closed? in the last 2 years?
how many small insurance companies did AIG undercut in pricing while they bet the firm on CDSs?
You are right to name names. it is the only way. fair trials by jury. many a good small-time banker and insurance agent has been gobbled up by the counterfeiting cabal.
http://motherjones.com/files/images/big-bank-theory-chart-large.jpg
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm
JM, sorry, but c'mon, ur article is a time waster. Not everyone is a foaming at the mouth hater, but puuuhlease, we are all adults here, and I think it is pretty apparent to any well thinking adult in terms of right and wrong, unless ur just a mouth breather or useless eater as hitler would term, but most bankers are. Frankly, if I could eliminate people with just my thoughts at times, then yes their would certainly be fewer people around.
I know not everyone that complains or vents fits this bill. It's food for thought for some.
Please add H Paulson to the list and of course Timmy. By the way pacifism/understanding/nurturing/kindness has not worked now has it for those of you that are inclined to be so benevolent in light of the raping that has and is still occurring. Kind of like walking by as a woman is being raped and saying I don't want to say anything let somebody else get involved. I will go home and theorize about this, she will have to make it on her own and be pleasant about it as well ??????????? no recompense? WTF. again this is what is wrong in America ! seems quite clear even her at ZH the supposed land of the free thinkers ? Just saying there should be boundaries or what have you got? A pile of shit and nothing more.
creating violent boundaries for bankers who commit acts of financial terrorism should NOT be ruled out.
Blankfein said he was doing God's work - he just didn't say which God.
By the way to be clear , I am not at all opposed to making money even in this crazy environment, I have done well in the last year and recently with some large profits. Once I figured out the game that is being played. I was mad as hell at end of 08 and beginning of 09 and stayed away, pissed. I realized the best thing to do is beat them at their own game. Shorted europe this early spring and BP and played the pump this year with some days in the 10s of thousands of dollars profit. So I say go out unto the world and profit children and enjoy your rewards, just don't forget to buy phys silver and gold and hammer the banks at every turn possible. I wish more people would start thinking this way and share their ideas like the JPM ,silver up their ass play. I learned some of my skills recently from this site like Tyler's pointing out to watch the AUD/JPY as an indicator of ES. It works. Just get up early in the morning and READ a lot and you can stay ahead of the scam. I don't trade every day, just when opportunity presents itself. And it does. Good luck to all.
exactly. trade 'em up. but last time i checked we would get thrown in jail for counterfeiting. yet, the banksters have rigged the game through the 'letter of the law' so that they can counterfeit on such a scale the world has never seen!! This is not liberty. This is not the U.S. Constitution. This is not the coinage act. This is not peaceful, free trade.
This is the greatest theft the world has ever known!
"the best way to rob a bank is to own one."
the wealth did not disappear, folks. it was transferred to the International Banking Cartel (as everyone here seems to understand except for JM).
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm
That would be the God of greed it seems
JM,
You have demonstrated in prose the role reversal fallacy. This fallacy is more commonly illlustrated as the hermeneutical fallacy.
Please read MacBeth.
JohnG
No banker that I know ever tried to kill a person that couldn't pay the loan. Foreclosure is not equal to murder.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/23/national/main4287473.shtml?sou...
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/25769519/detail.html
http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/death-by-foreclosure-bodies...
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/body-1-foreclosed-florida-home-death...
http://4closurefraud.org/2010/09/12/death-by-foreclosure-another-fiery-s...
http://livinglies.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/death-by-foreclosure-bofa-see...
http://headonradionetwork.com/2010/03/26/homeowners-choose-death-over-fo...
With all due respect, this looks like situations of depression and inability to deal with one's cicumstances. It is truly sad, but it is not the same as murder.
It is sad.
I reread your article.
The thing is, the 15'th century witch hunts were prosecuted by the few. The prosecutors were given authority primarly as outcomes of the councils. Bishops and Kings. An oligarchy. Certainly there were some nuts.
This fails to excuse the present. The same vestigial oligarchy remains. The few.
As an Objectivist (SFTU Rand haterz) I cannot and would not condone violence in any way unless my or the lives of those dear were not in jeopardy.
Nevertheless, I would be most happy to see some handcuffs. It is sad that that will not happen. Same as 1630; condoned behaviour.
From your artlicle:
"...sight; and it profits me.”
—Heinrich von Schultheis, 1634.""
It is always about the money. Everything. Always.
I didn't junk you btw...
you should have.
JM, you willfully ignore this violence created by the artificial boom/bust cycles of centralized money planning. You can call folks mentally ill and unstable, but you are blaming the victims. yes, they agreed to take out a loan that they were aggressively sold under the guise of realizing the American Dream. I used to blame these folks for being stupid myself.
It is you who needs to grow up. It is you who needs to wake up. These folks at the top are sociopaths and view common folks as livestock. They think nothing of financing wars or foreclosing on homes. they control the mechanisms of power, namely a monopoly privatized debt-based money supply. Do NOT blame the victims, JM. Many of these folks have ancestors that fought in Revolutionary, Civil, and World Wars. They deserve better. This is not right, and there are a handful of people at the very top of this paper ponzi scheme who know exactly how it all works. This is modern-day slavery which robs folks of the fruits of their labors for the benefit of a concentrated few who placate their livestock with such things as national healthcare and basic welfare services - cold comfort for a loss of economic freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you
Of course not , the law was on their side (they make and change the laws to suit themselves) so they could defile in the many millions of victims not just one on one, from behind a desk far far away from all the toil and losses of millions of people. Lets cut a deal OK, lets just string up a few of the worse offenders and just sieze 1/2 of the others assets and we will let them run clothed thru the streets of east LA not naked, maybe Olympic Blvd where I grew up? Fair enough? Or are you willing to stand in for them?............... Didn't think so
Boy, am I disappointed. Thought this was a rag-fest on Harry.
Well....I'll try
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I will agree with some of the posters here that a lot of this article was college-application-essayish, but there is one point on which I emphatically agree with him:
I was disgusted to see the reaction on this site to the story of Madoff's son hanging himself. This is a man with his two-year-old son sleeping in the next room, and while no doubt he was greedy and rich, he and his family both deserve a basic level of human compassion that was not in evidence from the posts I saw here.
I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one to feel this way, and thank JM for calling people on it.
Glad you feel good about yourself when millions of peoples lives have been destroyed by these vermin. Perhaps his 2 year old will get raised by a person of decent character and ethics. So it might still be a good thing with a twilight zone twist at the end, NO? Do you really believe he and his brother are not guilty of financial rape and destroying lives? Go read up on ENABLERS and pat yourself on the back for being such a good person as the victims suffer. I guarantee if it was your losses or family destroyed you would feel very different. Again this is what is wrong in America, no proper boundaries and lots of excuses sorry to say.
I could never condone sadistic cruelty and torture to another human being, no matter how despicable.
However, with the current stranglehold the "kleptocratic elite" have on our (dying) economy, it is not beyond possibility that some sort of revolution could be required to overthrow this pernicious control. And revolutions often involve some violence.
In fact, the rape of our economy by these people has already resulted in extreme frustration leading to violence, and as things get worse, and as the currently unconscious masses start to realize how they have been screwed and we are not going back to boom years, I expect there will be more violence (already I have read of threats of violence against judges by persons who have been denied unemployment checks). With any mass anger/hysteria, most of the violence affects innocents--the relatives, friends and neighbors who happen to be in the wrong place when someone reaches a breaking point.
I don't think it is unfair to blame the plutocracy for some portion of this violence, even though their causation will be indirect rather than direct--it is their rape of the system that is/will be mainly the cause--and those that reap the benefits of power also must be made to understand the consequences of their abuse (that process hasn't even begun yet).
Yet the gross unfairness will be that even if they are brought to justice and tried for crimes, it won't be for the violent crimes they have indirectly fomented, but for white collar crimes. So, in yet another sense they will escape the worst punishment.
In short, while I agree with the overall sentiment of the piece above, the problem right now is not enough anger directed at the financial elite, rather than too much.
I could never condone sadistic cruelty and torture to another human being, no matter how despicable.
However, with the current stranglehold the "kleptocratic elite" have on our (dying) economy, it is not beyond possibility that some sort of revolution could be required to overthrow this pernicious control. And revolutions often involve some violence.
In fact, the rape of our economy by these people has already resulted in extreme frustration leading to violence, and as things get worse, and as the currently unconscious masses start to realize how they have been screwed and we are not going back to boom years, I expect there will be more violence (already I have read of threats of violence against judges by persons who have been denied unemployment checks). With any mass anger/hysteria, most of the violence affects innocents--the relatives, friends and neighbors who happen to be in the wrong place when someone reaches a breaking point.
I don't think it is unfair to blame the plutocracy for some portion of this violence, even though their causation will be indirect rather than direct--it is their rape of the system that is/will be mainly the cause--and those that reap the benefits of power also must be made to understand the consequences of their abuse (that process hasn't even begun yet).
Yet the gross unfairness will be that even if they are brought to justice and tried for crimes, it won't be for the violent crimes they have indirectly fomented, but for white collar crimes. So, in yet another sense they will escape the worst punishment.
In short, while I agree with the overall sentiment of the piece above, the problem right now is not enough anger directed at the financial elite, rather than too much.
To me, seeing Wall St bankers going ahead with taking their massive bonuses despite public opposition compares to Marie Antoinette's supposed "let them eat cake" response.
We all know what happened after that!
John your pets get better treatment than many children and many adults. Ever ponder that ?
How do you think you can get away writing an article about how people should have compassion for Madoff and deploring the inhumanty of ZH's in their anger towards bankers...
- Hundreds of thousands of individuals are dying, and thousands are getting displaced and having bombs dropped on their head....and you're worried about Madoff's son in the next room
- A banking system, which could close one morning and pretty much open the next under a new name recapitalized, instead is getting funneled world record amounts of bailouts - and you have the nerve to suggest somehow this is vital to society. I don't think anyone in the world says we don't need banks and we should barter. So the antipathy towards the banking system is fully warranted.
- We have a government-backed banking syste that is happily encouraging ponzi economics which will (not might), will lead to a breakdown of the nation state, and you are telling us that antipathy towards bankers is "inhumane." Nobody said to attack the tellers.
- At no point do you mention, the intention, the us vs them mentality which they display (which is evidenced by takeovers of the media and govt, and the propoganda they shill), and the utter dominance they have over us, instead you act like they are the neighbourhood banker which made a few mistakes on a loan agreement.
Out of all of the above points, you choose to address the antipathy people are expressing. What you need to understand is that this antipathy is an order of magnitude less than it should be, and anger in and of itself is nothing, but coupled with action can be a force for change.
Is what's going on the effect of a Tyranny, or not? -
and secondly, sheeple have no prison system, it's illegal for them to actually suggest that they would like their own independant-from-the-state one; so how do ordinary citizens suggest that 'BoA anonymous thugs' be 'removed as a threat to society'? - there's only exile which they can suggest... not theft, not damage, and what recourse to the legal system...it's not a secret that NYBanks staff don't get prosecuted.
What is painful about, not the off-the-cuff responses which, great, are cathartic, but if you're going to write a piece, at least make it balanced.
Banking and finance is necessary - first line - what, like this? This what we have is necessary? sure, fine, a brief validation, two sentances.. would go a long way. What percentage of US residents are unbanked, how do they manage?
I didn't read this thing that made you sick, but you think it's unfair, wrong, why..you think people are worth more than, say, a $billion? -in principle. How big is the developed world, one and a half billion plus people, how big is the rest? - 5.15 billion in the developing world (2005) on $10 a day and below the poverty line, .8 billion on $1 a day (source: World Bank Development indicators 2008). ...Banking and Finance, absolutely essential... buying the 30yr and selling the 10yr... a free market in food, a decent nework of irrigation channels..fuck 'em, stability would screw the wheat futures! What is the relative size of the wheat futures to the harvest weight, four or five times the size... that's essential,..no, of course, that's not a policy of killing a man though...and anyway, once their dead, what's the problem, its not like they're part of the economy anymore.
Think of his two-year-old son and family.... what about migrant workers, those poor people. How many are they (ILO) ? they leave their families - for five, six years at a time they don't see their wives or see their children grow up... what price should be put on that?...'fuck 'em, everyone starts small, they work hard, they can get somewhere', right?
I assume you mean by banking and finance, you're talking of payment clearing systems for businesses and companies, pretty essential, but..why do we need more than one Fractional Reserve banking co., with transparent, completely open accounting, and a strong system of checks and balances?
I understand your criticisms. I looked at both sides of the issue. I'm not rationalizing or justifying bank behavior. But the piece had a single point that I didn't want lost in complications.
What you choose to talk about, and the context you put it in - starting with how banking is vital to our interest - means you made a choice.
Your tax dollars are going to dole out violence across the world - you didn't choose to talk about that - yet when people are angry at the most deplorable inhumane actions of the banks, you choose to defend them and ask for compassion. Unless you are an absolute pacifist and feel that no matter how much someone has you under your thumb justice never involves violence, we're calling you out (the people on this thread)...just for talking about this.
There is no place in this where I defend bank behavior.
Read without the lens of your preconceptions.
that was a well written piece. hurt to read, too. thanks.
Do you have a proof of this thesis?
I found antithesis correct. Historic estimation, made for example by Ferdinand Lisp in "Goldwars", shows that the best stability and constant grow was achieved under de-facto gold standard in 18th and 19th century. At this time baking "evil activity" was heavy constrained by bank-run "checkpoints". Since 1913 we have much more chaos - grate depression for example and two very long world wars.
So less banking means stability and prosperity. It means simply that less people earns money by cheating the others on big scale. Extending banking activity creates many possibilities for cheaters and is destructive for society.
That is my point and main theory: societies, countries, political systems, should be compared by "cheating index". Cheating index should show how much cash-flow and earnings are made by cheating in opposition to real work. I define cheating as cash flow created by force, against own will of the payer. Some examples:
I would like to live in a country where cheating index is lowest.
And therein lies the problem. Change is necessary.
"You’ll find honesty is far less shameful than the alternative."
That would require that the banks were capable of shame. They are not. The bankers that participated in the greatest transfer of wealth in history should be put in jail for life and all their wealth confiscated. Their family does not get to retain ill-gotten gains.
It's interesting to read you on the virtues of the banking and financial sectors in such an eloquent way. Eloquence doesn't equal accuracy as you have shown with this post.
I don't need to be math savant or nearly as eloquent as you to know that bankers are greedy - like most people are by the way. How many are greedy to know if the whole lot is soiled? Who knows. Do people need to die? No. Force should be met with appropriate force.
In a homespun way, I know if someone steps in a little bit of shit everything will stink. This is more than just a little bit. This financial house stinks and bankers are right there knees deep. As well, it's little bit of a stretch to conflate what is in reality individuals behaving criminally to sectors. In that case, your hurting your argument.
Bankers play their parts and know it's not a critical one. It's temporal and based on their usefulness to US. So play your part, but just don't over play it. There's no need to.
It also does a disservice to history to try to persuade the reader to identify with bankers or sectors with an albeit touching parallel to witch hunts. Here's the problem with that, the witch hunters had the power. What power do I have? Yes I could if so inclined or if mentally deranged hurt someone because of a banking shit avalanche. However that's not power dude.
If anything, the bankers are the modern day witch hunters taking what's not theirs and imposing their supremacy and will on the everyday folks.
The sad part is no one is standing for US.
This is a fine comment, from which I learned some things.
You should run for political office.