Guest Post: People Of The Lie: The Psychopathology Of The “Public Servant” And The Sociopathology Of The State

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Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:26 | 623275 Orly
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The difference between most common criminals and the professional politician, i.e., the legal thief, as you say, is that common criminals, in general, know that they are doing wrong.  They know they are harming other people when they commit their crimes, yet they do it anyway.

The career politician, on the other hand firmly believes that he is on the right side of history by pushing an overall agenda.  When one moves giant blocks of money around for a living, via "appropriations," it may be much easier to justify picking up a crumb or two along the way.

Truthfully, most of these criminals in government and the banking system see themselves as saviors, not thieves.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:48 | 623295 RoRoTrader
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How do you know that deep thinking Orly?........saviors, not thieves.

Getting back to more imporatant issues; forget about BK.......think about us, Orly.

I can see you are artistic.

Love Roro

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 05:49 | 623502 mophead
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Invest in lamp posts bitchez!

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:39 | 623277 Fred Hayek
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Chapter 8 of The Road to Serfdom covers much of this same ground.

And, Lord Acton said it well, "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely."

In many ways our Constitution ignoring government has adorned itself with aspects of absolute power.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:22 | 623326 Incubus
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Power isn't some great corrupting force, all power does is allow flawed individuals to manifest whatever corruptive qualities they already had.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: these politicians and CEOs don't come from mars, or jupiter, or that goldilocks planet--no, they come from neighborhoods and families just like every other person in this society.  And if they're all mostly corrupt, what does that say about us? 

All isn't well in Amerika; we're rotten to the core. 

 

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:50 | 623360 TuesdayBen
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We are rottenest at the top

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 03:39 | 623446 Catullus
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I've said it before, I'll say it again: these politicians and CEOs don't come from mars, or jupiter, or that goldilocks planet--no, they come from neighborhoods and families just like every other person in this society.  And if they're all mostly corrupt, what does that say about us?

I'd stop saying this.  It's just not true.  The people at the top are not from the same class of people.  They are not a representation of the society at large.  Even if they were a respresentation of the rest of society, through their actions in government, they're attempting to carve out a special exemption to all the rules they throw onto society. That means the state apparatus itself is the corrupting process.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 08:16 | 623579 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Power isn't some great corrupting force

It will ruin the strongest of men...History, philosophy and literature all contain many good examples of the phenomenon.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 12:02 | 623894 Hephasteus
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Absolutely. I don't care who you are. Too much power and influence will only make you hurt people.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 12:19 | 623920 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Occasionally a man can walk away from proffered power. George Washington comes to mind. Not that he wasn't a son-of-a-bitch in some ways but he could have been king and he rejected the role.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:56 | 623367 RoRoTrader
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Lord Ashton huh?.........I always thought it was the Pope, but what the fuck do I know?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:47 | 623294 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The author is not the same David White who portrayed Larry Tate on Bewitched, I assume. I can find nothing in this article with which to disagree. It is well reasoned and well written. Let's rock...

Gimme Some Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 05:59 | 623508 nmewn
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Refreshingly...brutally...honest wasn't it?

In the words of one of our most trustworthy and noble pols...it is a big effing deal ;-)

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:50 | 623296 gwar5
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Politicians are blue collar criminals with white collar mouths and a government pension plan.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:21 | 623324 Kali
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yes.  I got bitch slapped at a public meeting (re: raising professional fees, the only thing fee increase was doing was giving raises and maintaining bennies for very bad service) when I said "you aren't public servants, you are self servants".  The primary purpose of any bureacracy, public or private, is to perpetuate itself.  In the gov case, that usually results in more regulation and more fees.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 06:43 | 623518 Hephasteus
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When you suck really bad you have to adopt self rewarding as "other" rewarding stops working. IE the filim and music industry. They are so interested in achieving self rewarding because once they get to that point they are self punishing. And they don't think what they did is that big of a deal.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:00 | 623304 msjimmied
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http://townhall.com/columnists/VirginiaFoxx/2010/09/15/the_truth_behind_...

http://www.care2.com/causes/politics/blog/virginia-foxx-apologize-or-res...

http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/200907280007

 

You lost me there David. Your preamble did a marvelous job till I got to your FOXX fix. This is not the Appalachian vote you are skewing for. This is ZH. Get your bearings.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 11:36 | 623849 Dick Buttkiss
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Um, what?  She said what she said in the context cited.  She and her partners in crime do legally steal.  What more bearing does one need?

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:01 | 623306 IAmTheStig
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http://bastiat.org/en/government.html

 

This sums it up for me.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:28 | 623332 Rusty Shorts
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thanks

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:24 | 623328 scratch_and_sniff
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yawn.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:46 | 623354 Coldfire
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True and wise words. The state is manifestly evil. On a practical note I recommend starving the beast by going and staying on strike. Escaping the US plantation by transferring assets overseas and renouncing citizenship was the empowering event of my life. The America of 1789 is dead but the ideal of America lives on in all right-thinking people. Perhaps someday to rise again.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 07:44 | 623563 New_Meat
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Cold-

"On a practical note I recommend starving the beast by going and staying on strike."

I'd say that we get to watch Spain and see how your recommendation works out--I'll bring the popcorn.

- Ned

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:47 | 623356 No More Bubbles
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Lies ARE "the Core" ----

 

we must understand the pathology that lies at its core.

 


Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:48 | 623357 JR
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Although I refuse to call America’s present paper money tyranny “capitalism,” just imagine, that without the Fed’s power to generate money out of thin air, Congress would be obliged to go to the people and say, We need some additional taxes from you to help out the bankers and also to fund our global wars of empire and to subsidize corporate welfare for its low-wage workforce, so would you mind dropping by the courthouse in the morning and leaving the money on the counter. And remember, this month there’ll be an additional increase for bank bailouts.

The American people have no idea of how much value is being taken from them by taxation and inflation via a fiat currency, or where that value is going.  The corporations collect the monies and the value, but the people never see the breakdown—except in their standard of living.

Without a Fed-issued, unlimited money supply there’d be none of this light oh-hum banter we’re hearing about today between Bank of America and Rosenberg on how to solve the bankers’ little challenge of when and how all this QEII money can be diverted into risk-lite for massive profits amongst the bankers and friends.

As Ron Paul said, “No one would welcome a counterfeiter to town, yet this same authority is blindly given to our central bank without any serious oversight by the Congress.

“When the government [and Wall Street] can replicate the monetary unit at will without regard to cost, whether it’s paper currency or a computer entry, it’s morally identical to the counterfeiter who illegally prints currency.  Both ways, it’s fraud.”


Says Paul, “If unchecked, the economic and political chaos that comes from currency destruction inevitably leads to tyranny.”

 

 

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:42 | 623408 StarvingLion
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I think "The People" should own the printing press.  Then the NFL would take over.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 02:56 | 623432 WaterWings
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JR I feel that you are my wise, older brother.

CD is the cool uncle my parents don't get but us kids love him.

---

CD, reading Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago forever burned into my heart and mind the immense evil perpetually waiting to slip into the breach.

We are approaching a mass horror.  

"What's wrong with Socialism anyway?"

YOU HAVE NO IDEA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 02:59 | 623435 Voluntary Exchange
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Even if the entire world were to be covered in concrete, cracks would appear, and up through the cracks a flower would grow, and that flower is a Solzhenitsyn.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:55 | 623364 sbenard
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The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If `Thou shalt not covet' and `Thou shalt not steal' were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free." -- John Adams (A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1787)

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:12 | 623365 GoinFawr
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This is quite loud. And carries many expletives. Perhaps you can relate:

"...I got f'd by__________ .... Now _______ can go f' themselves!"

For Whitey Houston, it was apparently 'Liberty Mutual'.

"Please calm down. Calm down, mister! Calm down! This conversation is over."

 

http://old.thesixtyone.com/s/MMd7WhFDstJ/#/s/MMd7WhFDstJ/

Regards

 

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:08 | 623374 williambanzai7
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THE REBELLION HAS BEGUN

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:14 | 623384 GoinFawr
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Heh, thank goodness they aren't armed... oh, wait.

Regards

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:25 | 623399 RoRoTrader
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william.......what the fuck........were you kicked out of disinformation school?

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:43 | 623409 williambanzai7
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;-) Have a Wingnut

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 02:21 | 623422 RoRoTrader
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thx, and best ever........amazing talent......if, they only knew.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 03:02 | 623436 WaterWings
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That looks like my hat!

******g brilliancy!

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:33 | 623404 JR
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Artistic hilarity!!  At last, a cause to unify the people.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:18 | 623388 Kreditanstalt
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Because they governments have the guns, and because they are able to pay extensive retinues of retainers, cops, the military, jailers and courts, it is next-to-impossible imagining the people  rising up against them.

In addition, the majority of the people are net gainers from the system, paying less in taxes (if any) than they consume in services.  They won't bite the hand that protects and succors them.

But all over western social welfare states, growing numbers of people are quietly and perniciously withdrawing their consent to be governed.  They are undermining the legitimacy of the state, just as Soviet and East Europen citizens did years ago.  Underground economies are growing. The legitimacy of taxation is being questioned.   Trust in government has evaporated.  Petty tax evasion is rife.  The police are more widely seen now wholly for what they are - not "public servants" but enforcers for government.  Even here in investment-land, gold and other subversive monies are eating away at the soft underbelly of government - finances.

When some of my government employee neighbours lose their jobs, perhaps their attitudes will change too.  

It's heartening to see that people today - of necessity - seem to spend a lot of their time finding ways to avoid government restrictions and get things done and a lot LESS time trying to comply... 

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 01:34 | 623405 StarvingLion
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Underground economies are growing

Oh you mean grow-ops.  Too late.  The government has taken over that biz...they too will soon be in jail.  But hey you just stop paying property taxes and let me know about that avoiding government notion...

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 02:13 | 623418 Kreditanstalt
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Agreed on property taxes...but more people are not licensing their cars, not registering their guns, selling under the table, becoming self-employed, retiring, become speculators, emigrating,  working only part-time, eating only untaxed basic groceries, doing illegal alterations to their property, selling online, avoiding the banking system, hiding or investing money overseas, operating businesses out of their homes, hiring "illegals", working mostly on weekends for cash, deliberately concealing income at tax time, shopping out of state or province, buying only untaxed second-hand appliances, repairing instead of buying new, refusing to buy the newest tech gadgets, bartering, saving in precious metals, paying cash for everything, growing their own (everything), omitting to register for health insurance schemes, not voting, buying & selling at flea markets and farmer's markets, exchanging services, keeping ("illegal") chickens, networking online...

    

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 02:52 | 623433 Minion
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The public serpents would panic if people operated like that on a national scale.  It worked in India.......

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 06:06 | 623511 MarketTruth
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"And I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property -- until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered... The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson wrote on May 28, 1816

 

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson

 

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 09:02 | 623623 doggings
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Agreed on property taxes...but more people are not licensing their cars, not registering their guns, selling under the table, becoming self-employed, retiring, become speculators, emigrating,  working only part-time, eating only untaxed basic groceries, doing illegal alterations to their property, selling online, avoiding the banking system, hiding or investing money overseas, operating businesses out of their homes, hiring "illegals", working mostly on weekends for cash, deliberately concealing income at tax time, shopping out of state or province, buying only untaxed second-hand appliances, repairing instead of buying new, refusing to buy the newest tech gadgets, bartering, saving in precious metals, paying cash for everything, growing their own (everything), omitting to register for health insurance schemes, not voting, buying & selling at flea markets and farmer's markets, exchanging services, keeping ("illegal") chickens, networking online...

+100

this is the way to hurt them, jus step aside and dont play

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 12:50 | 623953 RockyRacoon
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"Citizens! In all times, two political systems have been in existence, and each may be maintained by good reasons. According to one of them, Government ought to do much, but then it ought to take much. According to the other, this two-fold activity ought to be little felt. We have to choose between these two systems. But as regards the third system, which partakes of both the others, and which consists in exacting everything from Government, without giving it anything, it is chimerical, absurd, childish, contradictory, and dangerous. Those who parade it, for the sake of the pleasure of accusing all governments of weakness, and thus exposing them to your attacks, are only flattering and deceiving you, while they are deceiving themselves."
Frederic Bastiat

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 05:55 | 623505 mophead
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The majority pay less in taxes? Not true. Taxes at the top always trickle down to the bottom. Just look at the latest 3.8% tax on investment income (part of the health care bill). If your net rental profits fall by $200/monthly due to higher taxes, what are you gonna do? Raise rents. Obviously.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 02:18 | 623393 Voluntary Exchange
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I think it is important for people that when they think  the word "state" that they think of certain key services, notably security and adjudication.  It is important not to PURCHASE (voluntary transaction) your "state" type of services from a monopoly or you will end up with tyranny. This is the inherent nature of monopolies of force or adjudication.They always eventually attract the sociopaths and psychopaths (those who use force or fraud to get what they want).

Non monopoly security and adjudication worked for over 1000 years in Ireland. Please see:

Stateless Societies: Ancient Ireland by Joseph R. Peden (page 3):
http://mises.org/journals/lf/1971/1971_04.pdf

Property Rights in Celtic Irish Law by Joseph R. Peden:
http://mises.org/journals/jls/1_2/1_2_1.pdf

For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard, Pg. 215:
http://www.mises.org/rothbard/newlibertywhole.asp#p215

Anarchy and the Law By Edward Stringham, Page 565:
Preview Here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=nft4e62nicsC&printsec=frontcover

Medieval Ireland, An Encyclopedia by Seán Duffy, Ailbhe MacShamhráin, James Moynes, Pg. 383:
http://books.google.com/books?id=kVslRbrSH7QC&printsec=frontcover
450,000 to 960,000

Irish History - Brehon Law by Pat Flannery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN52LnC020g

 

Here are additional links to help cure people of the illusion of the utility of monopoly services by monopolies of force or adjudication:

http://www.libertarianstandard.com/articles/david-j-heinrich/justice-for...

http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm

 

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 03:29 | 623441 WaterWings
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Wonderful resources.

"It's my island!"

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 04:20 | 623450 Voluntary Exchange
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Sure didn't the Almighty send me to watch your back? The Irish (especially pre-Catholic) show us a way back to  freedom. NO wonder their history has been so strongly suppressed or twisted.

 

I didn't like him (the tyrant/traitor) anyway, he wasn't right in the head.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 14:05 | 624117 RockyRacoon
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Thank you for the valuable resources!

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 03:32 | 623444 Catullus
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Anatomy of the State is a great one as well.

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