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Pimp My Conspiracy Theory
Evidence suggests that there never was a ruling class in England.
How can one know? Well, every society has a sort of “Who’s who” list, created for tax purposes or to establish ownership transfer rights (through birth and death) over time, or to signal that a family had arrived on the scene. Such lists are preserved going all the way to the 11th century in England. There is wild volatility in the names that appear on them. Within a few generations, these lists pretty much reset with a whole new set of names.
Further, tracking the fortunes of surnames over time also shows that the richest Brits throughout the centuries overwhelmingly descended from poor or immigrant families, not the elites of just three generations prior. The ruling class concept is a fiction statistically speaking: persons with incomes in England’s top 10th wealth percentile seldom trace their origins to some ruling class of England.
Conversely, surnames show that most persons with incomes in the bottom 10th percentile did not trace their origins to extremely poor families three generations before, much less the landless serfs of a medieval manor. The poorest families don’t stay that way forever. This seems to say that only a small part of wealth is an inheritance; the rest is hard work and fate. It is difficult to determine whether effort or luck dominates. Being wrong in all the right ways or providence, however you choose to look at it, luck plays its role in every life.
Sure, there was and always will be genetic and inheritance dis/advantages. But elite society was and is not closed to new entrants. Certainly the underclass isn’t either. Of course there are exceptions: but the story is clear: this is just how it is. But there are also mechanisms that reinforce social mobility beyond blind luck.
Economic success (measured as wealth) has three components:
- Genetically transmitted talent which always involves regression to the mean. The genius blond is attracted to the dumb redhead. Happy ever after in the marketplace. One of their twins running in the yard is bright, but the other rather dull.
- Parents expend effort to make a better life for their kids, precisely so that their income (among other things) doesn’t revert to the mean. The educated can ensure that their children have just as much, or more, experiential opportunities that they have. This is a persistence factor, but the data says it fades in time.
- There is chance. Chance makes kings of slaves and slaves of kings.
Can there be an underclass? Sure, but its permanence lasts only as far as transfer payments create perverse incentives to not work. I suppose that this creates effects that work in the other direction too: the richest stay that way, because they make others sated enough to stay underneath them. This hints at a type of social immobility fostered by democratic, freedom-loving global culture.
There is something more fundamental than low taxes and gold standards and minimum wages and healthcare for all of few. What makes societies work is the eradication of all privilege and entitlement from the top to the bottom. Social mobility makes possible the rise of talent at the expense of the incompetent. Suppressing it ensures the crash of the dead society run by rubes.
A Conspiracy Theory You Can Believe In
About the time that the Federal Reserve was created, H.G. Wells proposed a conspiracy theory. It wasn’t a cabal of small and secretive group of people. His goal was to drive the progress of mankind: the Open Conspiracy. Anyone could join, in the words of Nancy Zimmerman, if they:
- Endorse the aim of the Open Conspiracy—the betterment of the human race.
- Strive to understand the world, to determine the institutions and practices that work and those that don't—what things contribute to human progress, and what things did not.
- Communicate what they learn to others.
- Listen to what others have to say independent of who they are: “no one has a monopoly on truth or on insight, and good judgments can only be arrived at by close and open-minded scrutiny of evidence and opinions.”
The point of this Open Conspiracy is to understand and maybe domesticate risk; to turn the future into something we don’t fear. The very attempt is itself the stuff that contests all the change and adversity that feed fear and insecurity.
Even in an unpredictable, always morphing universe there is value in problem solving. And one can find the human instinct for problem solving in virtually all institutions, even the dreaded credit default swap.
Open conspiracies are nothing new. Truly international research communities exist for virtually all scientific fields. Useful ideas are taken wherever they are found: Teichmuller may have been a Nazi, but the spaces that bear his name are accepted without reservation. It’s not about control: no one knows the future with certainty and one must just go along for the ride. Call it domesticating risk, problem solving, whatever. The point is overcoming challenges.
We are good at it. The history of ideas shows this. But overcoming is a slow process of incremental clarification punctuated by revolutions. Here’s an example with the main points are italicized bullets so one doesn’t have to churn through the whole thing if it is painful.
The History of an Idea: A Three Century+ Quest
In 1607 Petrus Roth in Arithmetica Philosophica asserted that “a polynomial equation of degree n (with real coefficients) may have n solutions.” Gauss took Roth’s assertion in 1815 and generalized it in the following way: “A polynomial of degree n has n complex roots.” Then he more or less proved it. This statement is the fundamental theorem of algebra (FTA). A few years later, Niels Abel proved that polynomials of order five or higher have no general method of solution. A result:
- It may take longer than a lifetime just to find out that sought-for answers are there, but then those answers cannot always be found.
Even if one has not all the answers, it is immensely valuable to expand the class of problems that can be answered. Intensive effort can then be invested in those special cases where a solution can be found. This approach resulted in a mental shift away from determining the existence of roots into investigating the computation of solutions: “Given a monic polynomial with integer coefficients, there is a valid way to compute with its roots.” Note the restatement of the formal theorem to make work on a special case easier (equations with integer coefficients). This is an important human strategy for ascending intellectual mountaintops:
- If one can’t get to the top of a mountain, climb nearby peaks.
It was nearly 300 years before a constructive proof of the FTA was given by Herman Weyl (some say it was Hellmuth Kneser). It took 300 years, but this slow-fast dynamic in human problem-solving is the way.
Progress or Regress is Unclear
“I promised Hermite I would not bring up again the circumstance that made me so angry last year. … I have newly worked out a great deal of the material, and beyond this I have put the foundations of algebra in an entirely new form.”
--Leopold Kronecker, correspondence to Mittag-Leffler, 1886
Kronecker was a big-time adventurer in ideas, and was by many accounts a stubborn little jerk. But his persistence reshaped algebra in an original way. His idea remained focusing on the system of root computation and not on the roots per se. But the machinery he developed for this system is given substance by his constructive version of the FTA:
“Given a monic polynomial f(x) with coefficients in the ring Z[c1, c2, … , cn], a monic irreducible polynomial construction g(y) with coefficients in the same ring such that adjunction of one root of g to the field of rational functions in c1, c2, … , cn gives a field over which f(x) factors into linear factors.”
In one sense, this formulation trail-blazes terrain that even today has far-reaching implications. Kronecker’s ideas led him to recommend limiting the scope of mathematical inquiry to a subject of the concrete: only numbers that are either reducible to products of arithmetic operations on integers. Numbers that do not resolve into a finite combination of these operations are approximate values that evolve. The limit is an approximation method built as infinite sequences of approximations, and infinite things are always in a state of becoming, not of being. Kronecker’s extreme view calls into question the concept of the limit, frankly one of the most useful mathematical constructions ever devised. Ideas sometimes serve the purpose of regression and not progression.
- It is sometimes unclear whether revolutionary “progress” is a leap forward or a jump off of a cliff. The future is driven by the balance between choosing a break with established ways and making small incremental advance with well-worn tools that stand the test of time.
The Problems Never End
Kronecker’s “different” foundation for algebra was in a sense nothing especially new. Folks followed a path of this sort this path in Ur thousands of years ago by developing a number system of base 60 (as opposed to our base 10). It reduced the incidences of irrational numbers in their arithmetic, but it was inadequate to do so from the beginning. Increasing societal complexity necessarily incorporated irrational numbers.
However, times are different now. Fembots handle computational complexity in ways that the brain can’t. Mankind mitigated his computational limitations by creating algebraic irrationals and limiting arguments of all stripes, on and on. Given a master programmer and machine adequate to the problems posed, robots have less need for such mitigation.
- Ideas can come back into favor because the times are favorable. The future is driven by the balance of choosing a break with established ways against making small incremental advance with well-worn tools that stand the test of time.
This is just one example among hundreds, thousands even. Even if all the creations of man are just termite mounds on a grander, more imaginary scale, the failure of these creations is nothing but an opening of interesting problems to solve. Failure is an integral part of a universe that makes most look in turn like fools and then heroes. Given the epic fails of today, an Open Conspiracy has never been needed more.
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Sign me up, i've had enough of being amongst the sheeple, they aren't worth saving. Do i get a free pass to the underground facility at Denver airport or is that extra?
What can i say, i am a racist, i hate the human race.
i just hate the human race that i have to look at. fucked up clueless people is all i see around me, when i have to go out into this supposed real world. the white folks around me are just walking zombies. head down (tough having all those bills and money at the same time), can't walk in a straight line cause their bodies are so grossly contorted, no sense of self, anyone else around them. white, upper middle class people are just disgusting, and i am a racist too.
+1
Have dipshits at the office you never talk to wanting to be your fucking facebook friend - fuk off, I dont participate in that shit and nobody really gives a shit about your life, now bounce. Try engaging someone in a line at the store in a conversation...
All the cool yuppie, blackberry on the hip, pressed dockers, wife spending all their money, wannabe motherfuckers think they are part of the establishment!
have a great day!
Have either of you tried educating instead of discriminating against these lesser people to see how and what you see? You will not turn all but some will listen and perhaps you will find a place in life.
The Man-Made Global Warming Conspiracy.!
We live in the age of conspiracies while at the same time being socially engineered to ignore them through the use of crafty language. Words like "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" are designed to make you feel bad about exploring deeper into the subject presented. You now instinctively turn away from the topic whenever you here these words out of someones mouth, as if you've been hypnotized to do so. No words will set your mind at ease and allow you to delve into the issue further. Through constant repetition of the feel bad words, you are very controlled. Not even when the words are corrected to indicate the true nature of the exercise with such words as "Conspiracy Researcher", will your mind be put at ease. Continue reading at your own risk.
Senator Barbara Boxer adds this hyperbole in a desperate attempt to get her colleagues to push her cap-and-tax(trade) bill forward in the Senate, and the ridiculous claim that CO2 will somehow cause us more war;
"I’m going to put in the record, Madam President, a host of quotes from our national security experts who tell us that carbon pollution leading to climate change will be over the next 20 years the leading cause of conflict, putting our troops in harm’s way." National security experts? What do they know that we don't? Ridiculous? Maybe not, if some people don't get what they want.
The awakening has arrived. Renaissance 2.0 has begun. The covers have been blown off one of the biggest conspiracies in the history of the world. The entire planet had been sucked into the greatest scientific hoax of all time. The man-made global warming conspiracy theory was proven with help from the release of Climategate e-mails from the University of East Anglia in England on November 20th 2009. To todays date, no one knows who the hackers are, but that's beside the point. The blogosphere and alternative media crowd sourced the information at a rapid pace. It is one of the most researched conspiracies known to man.
Most of the actors in the conspiracy were unwitting participants due to the compartmental nature of their duties, as most complex conspiracies are designed to work. They are eager participants and accessories to the conspiracy. The man-made global warming theory, also known as CAGW, was devised as a social engineering experiment to create the backbone of the one world government. It was to be a major component of the financing for the new world order.
Accepters of the unproven CAGW theory blindly accepted the notion well before many of the facts were in. They call me a denier. I am an accepter of the CAGW conspiracy theory now that it has been proven, while at the same time I deny the theory of man-made global warming due to the flawed science behind it.
The mainstream media is complicit in covering up the conspiracy for refusing to discuss the Climategate emails on prime time TV and promoting the man-made global warming theory as fact to the masses for their corporate overlords pocketbooks. They are the social engineers mouth pieces and co-conspirators with the upper echelon of players in this case.
The funny thing about most conspiracies are, you don't know it is an actual conspiracy till it's exposed.
(This is a work in progress) Any thoughts?
I love researching a bad conspiracy!
Norman Dodd was interviewed in 1982 by G. Edward Griffin regarding the time he spent as the head researcher for the Reece Committee.
Norman Dodd On Tax Exempt Foundations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM
More;
"This year, your government will spend in the neighborhood of $4 billion on global warming research, despite the fact that there has been no global warming since 1998, and despite all of the billions that have been spent so far yielding no conclusive evidence that using fossil fuels to make energy has any significant effect on Earth’s temperature.
The human component of carbon dioxide that is injected into the air each year is very small, on the order of 3%. Half the carbon dioxide emitted into the air by human activity each year is immediately absorbed into nature. Carbon dioxide is 8% of the greenhouse effect; water in the air is 90% of the greenhouse effect. By volume, carbon dioxide is currently at about 390 parts per million in the atmosphere, increasing at about 2 parts per million annually. In other words, carbon dioxide is increasing at a rate of .5% per year. Since human activity adds 3% of the carbon dioxide that gets into the air each year, the human component of the increase in carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year is 3 % of .5%, or just .015%.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-much-of-your-money-wasted-on-climate-change-try-10-6-million-a-day/
Breaking news: Stuxnet, the compouter virus used to shutdown the Irianian Nuclear power plant, was tested in Isreal.
Hasn't that virus caused more damage to many computer systems around the world. Time to cut off US funding to Israel.
I would say that could be a likely outcome. And then they are on their own to fight Iran. But before any of that happens they fly over IRaq to hit Iran first. Then we cut funding and have no official ties to the area, but police Iraq and participate in the war none the less. Meanwhile American media is distracted by the war and fails to report why the economy fails epicaly (it was the inept government's fascist motives, hint/hint). Oil becomes rationed, the debt cieling is raised, the dollar losees massive value, but republicans slash public funding. Schools, PDs, FDs, and post offices shut down, while the banks begin trading SDRs. Then after a year, the currency is stable, and the dust clears in the ME. Corporate equity was held up by the banks, the banks made monie funding both sides of the war, but 1st world living standards have been shredded. The few upper class still hold equity and corporate debt, so their bancors are coming in a steady stream, but unemployment in 50%. The IMF tells America if it acepts specific loans, the dollar will strengthen. America declares bankrupcy and the world is finally under control of the banks, forever.
On second thought maybe the US can't work its way out of this one.
From the NYT:
G. Edward Griffin interviewed this week on FinancialSense.com
Third Hour, interview starts at the 26:10 mark. http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/big-picture
I suppose the conclusion of The Man-Made Global Warming Conspiracy.! essay is; The climate changing is not your fault.
OT
Jared Lee Loughner, the Arizona shooter, is a hero in a way because he is responsible for bringing to the forefront everything that is wrong with our government, our education system, and the mainstream media.
The MSM are trying to find a needle in a haystack with that guy so they can stick it to a specific group.
All I want to know is if the bullet that killed the judge matches Loughner's weapon because I think it was a hit and Loughner could not even kill the Congresswoman point blank, so another shooter is likely.
This is messed up. The guy killed an innocent child and random others and you are calling him a hero.
This is the wacked out thinking that got Nazis in power.
Rethink.
JLL is a villain. Any and all violence against the state will be welcomed, and used to criminalize the population at large. The government is failing in a predictable fashion, in the manner of sabotage, or it is failing in unplanned fashion. Violence against it will result directly in reinforcement of police power. Who wants police power? Who likes the patriot act? I don't know but they sure love JLL. Resistance will have to come from political non-violent collaboration. And the idiotic belief in the left-right division will be the weapon of choice against that. We need the populace to pledge never again to vote for a party member, or anyone who receives any funds from corporations or other interests. And a voluntary open-source vote corroboration platform. As long as private citizens view the government as their government we will fail. Once citizens begin to organize themselves along the common interest (rule of law is a great starting point) and independently disseminate information and discourse, thereafter acting in co-ordinated fashion, we will have an opportunity to displace the tyranny. In the end we need open-source governance, and possess the means to acquire it.
read some heavies on climate change years ago; hansen, flannery, ......read the current AGW arguments over the last year+.....while i tend to lean on the side of man-made being the case, in this day and age i deem it fruitful to question everything. however, in regards to climate change specifically, when anyone says it IS or AINT man-made/and/or/actually happening right now, i give you that glazed look and kinda smirk....because i call bullkaka. and yer thread of logic especially gets turd-alert.
i recognize and understand that there is a push to use climate change for all kindsa BAU policies/taxes/wars and that the builders and keepers of the spectacle have influence over trajectories and opinions concerning how it pans out..........that in and of itself doesn't mean that it's not man-made. or that it is.
unless there's a environmental 'false flag' incident, no carbon tax will go thru for a handful of years(...3-6?) how does that fit in with our other conspiracies du jour? ...take for instance if climate change IS man-made and all the pros are correct. if you read any serious climate science, lots is said that what the MSM covers is seriously PG-rated compared to what's believed amongst reputable peeps. in other words, they believe its much worse than what the carbon-taxers and MSM say it is. that'sa wierd fit into the "denier" theory methinks. oil crunch is right around the corner>less fossil fuel use>less carbon tax.....>?
now, if you think it's solar flares, maybe. if you think it's normal weather cyclic patterns/nature doin her thing.......naw, it ain't. that there is serious climatic changes going on is evident, the science behind it is jacked from both sides. to a point.
if you think you can glean a definitive answer about climate change from the machine in front of you......well, time will tell, eh? if it's as bad as the pros say, many loops have been tripped and any taxes/cutbacks/prius crap wont make any difference......if it's all about the tax, i believe the impending doom of sarah palin at the presidency will bring that collapse we've been dying for and fleeing/starving will trump any attention given to climate change. and sarah palin.
The chemtrail phenomenon suggests that tptb aren't watching the PG version.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/125631
I don't have time to go into it but a global network of citizens documenting these guys spraying aluminum and barium into the stratosphere will eventually bring this into the open. An astonishingly visible covert op.
i am with you babe. i am connecting the dots with this one. i see where the elites philanthropy goes. i see the bull shit today. i am mad as hell and not going to take it†
(This is directed towards Blankman)
While they impale their victims ruthlessly, social circumstances continue to press for more empathic outlooks such as yours.
To the two prior posters -- if I was in need of sadist rhetoric, I would extend a dinner invitation to a local derivative dealer who is both free of moral concern, and need not be coerced to vocalize such unpalatable vitriol. Your tendencies speak to the same fatal flaw borne by the worst kind of human being, who, having the resources to dramatize, would gladly do so at the expense of another life. Simply because the people in question (white, unintelligent, disgruntled by flagellation from the need to conform, etc.) are insecure or ignorant does not provide grounds for malice. This isn't about who has a more or less accurate view of social confusion: it is about who is more or less rational. I would argue alongside the previous poster by adding that this denigration of confusion is in fact a less rational approach to interaction than their showmanship, given an obvious need to cooperate in addressing fundamental ailments.
If you understand a greater truth than they, and you claim to implicitly by your criticism, your role is to teach, not to denigrate. It should be obvious there is an eternal conflict between knowledge and ignorance, empathy and sympathy, and rational and irrational thought. This extends to all orders and classes of society, and thus many of the perspectives I've read here holding the “ruling” class in an aura of blood-lust and and expropriation miss the mark entirely. To say they “think” they are part of the ruling class when you possess yourself such an irrational interpretation and inconsistent meter is foolhardy. In their hearts, and as you are, they are terrified by their own ignorance.
If you want to know a secret, there are both empathic and non-empathic human beings in each class of society. This assortment is at any given time disproportional, and based on a gradient of empathic tendencies. Constant warring internally preserves the class structure, which would otherwise wane due to a desire for relative equality (the saint) or a desire for human suffering (the psychopath). This is reality: whether you or not you choose to accept it is your choice. When the final curtain closes, which of you truly believes JP Morgan, Goldman et al. will ride off into the sunset, unscathed by their actions and the suffering they have caused? This question is an exercise – a moral accoutrement – which may help you understand where you yourselves have gone wrong. I'd argue that it was unwise of the most dishonest men on this planet to believe they could accumulate large portions of central bank gold for eventual use in coercion. Fundamentally, gold represents honesty, and it will flee the possession of a dishonest enterprise more rapidly than it was acquired.
Let me reword this: in a logical world, it is moral to reclaim by any means that which was expropriated deceptively. You don't want to be on the receiving end of this trade.
What you should take from this is that malice is punished, and kindness as well as understanding are rewarded (isn't that the whole premise, after all, of profiting off of this economic insanity?).
i have but one word to add to your comment.
z e r o h e d g e
DFT - Empathetic / Non-empathetic agreed, however you may also want to add open / closed minded. They are in the stepped on class from one of my favorite plays and are having trouble finding a way out of it: "They all deserve to die. Tell you why, Mrs. Lovett, tell you why. Because in all of the whole human race Mrs. Lovett, there are two kinds of men and only two There's the one staying put in his proper place And the one with his foot in the other one's face Look at me, Mrs Lovett, look at you." To the two who hate the human race: Get over yourselves. Learn that we are all not that important, we are just here. You and me. You want to change but are afraid to go out and make a change. I know VB that you read CD's posts, he is constantly asking all of us to educate the lesser among us. If you can't educate to help do it out of your own best self interests as you will learn more about who you are regardless of whether or not you actually helped someone. I was once where you are - filled with hate and malice to all humans as I thought I was superior to most. I realized in a short while as my whole world exploded around me that I am just an insignificant dot on and insignificant speck floating around a tiny thermonuclear ball in a remote galaxy in the middle of nowhere in the universe. It kind of brings peace to my soul to think of that.
But each of us is the universe. What is the universe but what each of us individually perceives?
Without you, is there really anyone else to observe? Or are you it?
Not an original thought, I know, but appropriate.
One addendum to the observation: we make our universe.
I'm making mine. How about you?
I am Chumbawamba.
"It should be obvious there is an eternal conflict between knowledge and ignorance, empathy and sympathy, and rational and irrational thought. This extends to all orders and classes of society."
I would love to see a psychological inquiry into this claim. Is sociopathy rewarded by hierarchical institutions? Because we have seen a depth of corruption in our public institutions that would appear to support this claim. Militarism and militarist hierarchy would seem to coexist with empathy to an extent, however the nature of the institution may exclude the relevance of such "feelings". Consider Ike's famous warning. Isn't the military and governing function supportive of pathological social values?
IE
Wolfowitz
Rumsfeld
Bush
Geithner
Greenspan...
I do not see how your generalities describe the post JFK American ruling class.
I have. It's like teaching a sheep to sing: It wastes your time and it annoys the sheep.
that lack of color us white folks have allows us to fade ...and as a race we are doing that. The more colorfull survivors get to have the planet.
Fine by me. You all can have this blue ball of illusion.
And feel free and welcome to join me in the greater life beyond the material reality.
PS haventh been posting cause my gal is in end stage heart failure. Love to you all and hoping for better days ahead
Love and best wishes back at you merehuman. I hope the very best for you & your gal at this hard time for you.
Hey, if we whites do not want to have children, then that is that. We only had one, so how can I condemn anyone for not having 2.1 kids or more?
Best wishes at you too merehuman.
I chose to have zero kids back when Ross Perot lost the election when I was in my 20s. I knew what was coming for them with the odds and not being born with a silver spoon in my mouth.
It is good to see what is coming for the children of the corn. I believe in Karma. Sometimes it is not Karma's fault.
sums up how i feel exquisite pain amidst the joy of life
autumn leaves, slow swing jazz well done by retaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IprPq6eGxAU
just fiddlin around!
I will keep you and your gal in my prayers.....
Very sorry to hear of your (and her) struggles -- I always enjoy the healthy disinterest and spiritual perspective you express in your posts, and am sorry that you have such difficulties in your life. All the best.
Hi MH. Some of us white folks have cafe-au-lait survivors. ;-)
All the best to you and your friend. The fact is we all got to go sometime.
Maybe she can take comfort in the belief many hold that we all gat an infinte number of second chances.
Before I go, I have to read the Tibetian Book of the Dead.
Dear Mere,
You are such a gentle person. I will always treasure having you in my life.
Love,
LH
thank you all for your kind comments.
I have been taking care of her these last 11 years.Until 2 months ago she dressed herself, but since then declined week by week . Congestive heart failure,impaired kidneys, leg ulcer. 10 years ago half of stomach removed. 2 years later troath surgery, latex stint almost killed her then.
over the years i managed to save her life several times.Caring for her these last few years meant giving up any remnant of sex life, and liveliness in general. I at times am jealous when my german sister speaks of having a fun night out. I knew all that when i chose this path. This female soul, 89 years is an outstanding soul. Loving to the core and honest to the bone and allows me to be myself. She flows with me, our thoughts complement each other and in all these years our heated moments/arguments added together come to less than 5 minutes. Nor have either of us complaints or grudges.
After 60years of marriage to an abusive in every way husband and how she kept her head down when i first met her. I know i have made her stronger and gave her much joy and a diversity of experiences in the last of her life that she did not expect.
So truly she saved me. because i felt myself much the failure as the material world never inspired ambition for gain, excess or profit. I failed as a german to become a scientist, writer or poet. I am a nobody who will not be missed and i well know. i have not changed the world or discovered a new medicine. She gave my life value and i can die easier for it with a wee smile on what passes for my face.
BTW doctors and nurses have made many mistakes. failure to act on allergies being one. Prescribing a strong medicine without getting a bloodtest is not smart either.
taking oxygen has caused her 4 year old leg ulcer to heal of a sudden.No doctor ever suggested oxygen would help heal the wound . but it does.
Every body said when Veva and i first got together that when i get my settlement i would leave her. Instead i moved her to the beach in a pretty spot surrounded by wildlife where she fed the birds every day. We blew a bunch in the casino, had a balloon ride, bought a sailboat, took a few rides before we gave it up. Showing her a good time was the best time of my life.
Thanks .lol sure its more than you need to know
Stay strong, for her...and Hospice is a wonderful thing.
One of my best friend's married a woman he knew had MS when they married. Love & fate often come together and make beautiful things somehow even better. It takes special people to do special things.
I just wanted to send along my best wishes & prayers to you both.
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Good luck MH. Best to you and your wife.
It is great that you can see through the veil of smoke and pinpoint the stars you have with your wife. If we can't see the great times in our life (even if they are few and far between) what is the point of life.
Regarding your doctors and their opinions we must all remember they are "mere humans" also. My younger brother's wife had her father pass away at 46 a few months ago. Cancer. The cancer is not what killed him, it was the doctors horrible judgment on the treatment to give him. He was in remission and had just given blood for the doc to diagnose. Doc thought there may be some signs(markers?) in the blood that the cancer may be returning. Doc wasn't sure, nor was he quite sure if or where the signs were coming from. So he took a peremptory approach to treatment and "lit him up". He gave him a massive amount of chemo which in turn shut down his internal organs and killed him. Nice work doc.
Lesson: Don't treat your doctors as if they are gods.
MH,
Much love and respect to you and your beloved.
Chumba.
OH yeah.. hospice is a good thing. for the non patient as well
how rare your appearences have become. thanks Chumba
I'm in transition. Coiling.
Soon there will be the release.
;)
My thoughts are with you and your gal, merehuman.
Thanks. Wish i could chase you up a tree. for fun.
FunkyMonkeyBoy - you have a great mind and little needs to be said about what the avatar you have chosen represents. It is difficult to balance an understanding of the "sheeple" without being able to know what's really going down beneath the denver airport.
People are beautiful, even the sheeple. Except for the arrogant sheeple. They can get fucked.
as Gore Vidal said: 9/11 ruined the airlines. i sooooooooo believe the denver airport has large fortress cubicles. that airport is fucked up. been in it, a lot. fly into it, a lot too. it has a bad vibe and energy. united concourse is so out of whack. know any one in the airplane business? well, they are at the root of this good conspiracy†
this face less book of TD's, is my ideal way to communicate with people. you don't have the physical visual, to get in your way to assess the content.
The Denver airport has spooky murals and sculptures. The illuminatti have gotten the worst artists since Michaelangelo. Everyone with any talent since have turned away from their proposals. Mark Twain hated the "elite" of his time, and the TIME Rag reported Twain to be dangerous because of his thoughts. Jack London, who founded Bohemian Grove with a handful of his friends, stopped going to the retreat after the financiers had become more in number than the artists. Imagine your sacred stomping grounds being turned into the retreat of the oligarchs. Spit!
I almost pity them. Andy Worhol is just as popular as ever, while Keith Haring is seldom only remembered by using idioms to think of his name. Now they finance Beyonce and Jay Z, Spielberg and James Cameron. These people are entertainers, and there is a difference between them and artists. Spielberg can tell a story, Sasha Fierce can dance. Jay Z can rap, and Cameron can paint a picture. But will these acts stand up to such work as Picasso, Jimi Hendrix, Orson Wells, and Ry Cooder?
Ry Cooder? Is that like sarcastic twat?
Seriously, I had no idea who that was. I had to Wikipedia him.
Wow.
Oh my god do I love slide guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4KmbUCwkyE
It goes well with the shake I'm smoking.
I am Chumbawamba.
he makes it look easy. am learning violin, and it aint that easy no matter what i smoke.
This article is weirdly disjointed. I think I'm missing the point of it.
The "points" seem to be:
There was no ruling class in England.
Algebra.
Open Conspiracy.
I don't really understand how the former two relate to the latter.
I thought it an excellent piece...one portion in particular;
"Can there be an underclass? Sure, but its permanence lasts only as far as transfer payments create perverse incentives to not work. I suppose that this creates effects that work in the other direction too: the richest stay that way, because they make others sated enough to stay underneath them. This hints at a type of social immobility fostered by democratic, freedom-loving global culture."
I have long observed this...some call it the plantation mentality...where under the auspices of helping the underclass, you actually do great harm...either by design or incompetence.
+1. The very wealthy know that all they worked for will likely be lost by the third generation, all things being equal. They make the rules to the extent they can to mitigate this in thier favor...By design. Others follow because of incompetance.
I tend to think so too.
There are probably not many who post on ZH who are that far removed from "the underclass" and have no desire for their son's & daughters to go back to it. I can't help but think there are many who are straining to stay above us and many who wish to join us from below.
One thing is likely true...the underclass doesn't lose much sleep worrying about whether the middle or the top has any issues or problems in their life...LOL.
They won't worry until we shoot back...
Those who believe they can move up under the current system want it to stay the same. Those who feel hopeless under the current system want it to change. Those who sit on top of the current system only want to tweak it to keep their position. Thus, chaos is maintained.
ChaOS aS BaLAncE
And conversely, absent these perverse incentives:
The poorest families don’t stay that way forever. This seems to say that only a small part of wealth is an inheritance; the rest is hard work and fate. It is difficult to determine whether effort or luck dominates. Being wrong in all the right ways or providence, however you choose to look at it, luck plays its role in every life.
Sure, luck plays a role but who was it that said, "The harder I work, the luckier I get"? There's definitely truth in that.
Totally agree. I also know that the floor can drop out on anybody.
"The race os not to the swift. Time and chance happens to all men." Ecclesiastes something...
Isaiah something:
12 “Do not call conspiracy
everything this people calls a conspiracy;
do not fear what they fear,
and do not dread it.
13 The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard...
I love that one.
kinda oxymoronical to quote scripture in a conspiracy thread.
quote scripture...
well, cut and paste anyway.
oxymoronical...
I suppose. Been called much worse so I'll take it as a compliment.
Speaking of Pol Pot, caught the interview of Frank Dikkotter, author of MAO'S GREAT FAMINE: THE HISTORY OF CHINA'S MOST DEVASTATING CATASTROPHE, 1958-1962. He contends 45 million people were purposefully starved to death during this period of time.
Gives new meaning to the question "Where were you in '62?"
Biloxi, I think.
i have been to Biloxi. me and my sister in law drove down there when my brother fly out of gulfport to Vietnam. we had a pretty scary situation in a hotel, but we didn't get hurt.
Hey Remus, I think your python boot's to tight!
I have plenty of first-hand experience with the floor dropping out, especially in the last 4 years.
Been there, done that. Better floors.
I have, literally.
Luck, and only, saved me.
I am Chumbawamba.
My friend was relating one such story to me the other day about his grandfather.
All throughout his life, with a very good head on his shoulders and a little bit of luck (I'm of the opinion that you make your luck happen) he made all the right moves until he ended up owning a city block after the Great Depression hit.
His one bad move was the one that killed him: he married a drunk, and he died after flying through the windshield of the car she was driving when she went off the road.
I am Chumbawamba.
Exactly Green, the harder you work, the better you position yourself to take advantage of opportunities presented to you by life. Luck can still keep you down but there is less chance of that... thus more "lucky".
Jesus Christ disagrees.
The algebra part just sketches out an extremely long-lived problem and how its solution unfolded. The bulletpoints could be generalized to a very wide class of problems, I think.
I was going to suggest to TMosley to assemble the bullet points, then it will make sense:
Basically, multiple humans or societies dedicatedly working across generations on the same problem can eventually effect useful results for all. The key is thus:
We must be as monks, passing along knowledge openly and freely to subsequent generations. We are the giants upon whose shoulders those who came after us will stand to see farther. This must be a conscientious avocation of all who would strive to create a better world for themselves and those who follow. Now, that we have the Internet (assuming we can keep it), things will really start to speed up now. We are entering the parabolic phase of human knowledge. Prepare for the blow-off top (the Singularity).
Good article, JM (if a bit abstract...but I like abstract).
I am Chumbawamba.
Yes, you are. Thanks for your comments.
what's the point? www.btfd.com
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiquote/en/wiki/Illuminatus!
Never Whistle While You're Pissing by Hagbard Celine, H.M., S.H.
I caught the references to Aristotle, the old man of the tribe with his unfortunate epistemological paresis, and also to that feisty lady I always imagine is really lost Anastasia, but I still didn't grok. "What do you mean?" I asked, grabbing a wet handkerchief as some of the teargas started to drift to our end of the park. "Chairman Mao didn't say half of it," Hagbard replied holding a handkerchief to his own face. His words came through muffled; "It isn't only political power that grows out of the barrel of a gun. So does the whole definition of reality. A set. And the action that has to happen on that particular set and on none other." "Don't be so bloody patronizing," I objected, looking around a corner in time and realizing that night I would be Maced. "That's just Marx: the ideology of the ruling class becomes the ideology of the whole society." "Not the ideology. The Reality." He lowered his handkerchief. "This was a public park until they changed the definition. Now, the guns have changed the Reality. It isn't a public park. There's more than one kind of magic." "Just like Enclosure Acts," I said hollowly. "One day the land belongs to the people. The next day it belongs to the landlords." "And like the Narcotic Acts," he added. "A hundred thousands harmless junkies became criminals overnight, by Act of Congress, in 1927. Ten years later, in '37, all the pot-heads in the country became criminals overnight, by Act of Congress. And they were criminals, when the papers were signed. The guns prove it. Walk away from those guns, waving a joint, and refuse to halt when they tell you. Their Imagination will become your Reality in a second." And I had my answer to Dad, finally, just as a cop jumped out of the darkness screaming something about freaking motherfucking fag commies and Maced me, as was certain to happen (I knew it as I crumbled in pain) on that set.
"You look blank, Joe," said Malaclypse. "Has no one explained to you that the human race is divided into two distinct genotypes - neophobes, who reject new ideas and accept only what they have known all their lives, and neophiles, who love new things, change, invention, innovation? For the first four million years of man's history, all humans were neophobes, which is why civilization did not develop. Animals are all neophobes. Only mutation can change them. Instinct is simply the natural behavior of a neophobe. The neophile mutation appeared about a hundred thousand years ago, and speeded up thirty thousand years ago. However, there has never been more than a handful of neophiles anywhere on the planet. The Illuminati themselves sprang from one of the oldest neophile-neophobe conflicts on record."
softWilly! real men are bullz. bears are panzies. are you long? or short? large headed men are long; weak chinned woosies are short... comprende?
Here, here. Very well done. There are some ideas here that have been echoed in the halls of ZH for as long as I've been posting, but the clear analogies are a bonus. Needless to say, we're almost all open conspiracists just by posting here.
I may come back to this later....
An interesting article! But, please let me pimp my shorter version of the above:
-- Societies change.
-- The Open Conspiracy sounds like the Scientific Method.
-- Computers now allow some problems to be more or less solved (Numerical Methods) that could not be solved before.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Oahspe:_A_New_Bible
"Oahspe, a new Bible in the Words of Jehovih and his Angel Embassadors. A sacred history of the dominions of the higher and lower heavens on the Earth for the past twenty-four thousand years, together with a synopsis of the cosmogony of the universe; the creation of planets; the creation of man; the unseen worlds; the labor and glory of gods and goddesses in the etherean heavens."
http://oahspe.blogspot.com/
OAHSPE1. After the creation of man, the Creator, Jehovih, said unto him: That thou shalt know thou art the work of My hand, I have given thee capacity for knowledge, power and dominion. This was the first era.
2. But man was helpless, crawling on his belly, and he understood not the voice of the Almighty. And Jehovih called his angels, who were older than the earth, and He said unto them: Go ye, raise man upright, and teach him to understand.
3. And the angels of heaven descended to the earth and raised man upright. And man wandered about on the earth. This was the second era.
4. Jehovih said to the angels that were with man: Behold, man hath multiplied on the earth. Bring ye them together; teach them to dwell in cities and nations.
5. And the angels of Jehovih taught the peoples of the earth to dwell together in cities and nations. This was the third era.
6. And in that same time the Beast (self) rose up before man and spake to him, saying: Possess thou whatsoever thou wilt, for all things are thine, and are good for thee.
7. And man obeyed the Beast; and came into the world. This was the fourth era.
8. And man was sick at heart, and he called out to the Beast, saying: Thou saidst: Possess thyself of all things, for they are good for thee. Now, behold, war and death have encompassed me about on all sides. I pray thee, therefore, teach me peace!
9. But the Beast* said: Think not I am come to send peace on the earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword. I come to set man at variance against his father; and a daughter against her mother. Whatsoever thou findest to eat, be it fish or flesh, eat thou thereof, taking no thought of to-morrow.
10. And man ate fish and flesh, becoming carnivorous, and darkness came upon him, and he no more heard the voice of, or believed in Him. This was the fifth era.
11. And the Beast divided itself into four great heads, and possessed the earth about; and man fell down and worshipped them.
12. And the names of the heads of the Beast were, Brahmin, Buddhist, Christian and Mohammedan. And they divided the earth, and apportioned it between themselves, choosing soldiers and standing armies for the maintenance of their earthly aggrandizement.
13. And the Brahmins had seven million soldiers; the Buddhists twenty millions; the Christians seven millions; and the Mohammedans two millions, whose trade was killing man. And man, in service of the Beast, gave one-sixth of his life and his labor to war and standing armies; and one-third of his life he gave to dissipation and drunkenness. This was the sixth era.
14. Jehovih called out to man to desist from evil; but man heard Him not. For the cunning of the Beast had changed man's flesh, so that his soul was hid as if in a cloud, and he loved sin.
15. Jehovih called unto His angels in heaven, saying: Go ye down to the earth once more, to man, whom I created to inhabit the earth and enjoy it, and say ye to man: Thus saith Jehovih:
16. Behold, the seventh era is at hand. Thy Creator commandeth thy change from a carnivorous man of contention to an herbivorous man of peace. The four heads of the Beast shall be put away; and war shall be no more on the earth.
17. Thy armies shall be disbanded. And, from this time forth, whosoever desireth not to war, thou shall not impress; for it is the commandment of thy Creator.
18. Neither shalt thou have any, nor Lord, nor Savior, but only thy Creator, Jehovih! Him only shalt thou worship henceforth forever. I am sufficient unto Mine own creations.
19. And to as many as separate themselves from the dominion of the Beast, making these covenants unto Me, have I given the foundation of My kingdom on earth.
20. And all such shall be My chosen: By their covenants and by their works shall they be known henceforth on the earth as Mine, and shall be called Faithists.
21. But to as many as will not make these covenants, have I given the numbers of the Beast, and they shall be called Uzians, signifying destroyers. And these shall be henceforth the two kinds of people on earth, Faithists and Uzians.
22. And the angels of heaven descended to the earth, to man, and appeared before him face to face, hundreds of thousands of them, speaking as man speaketh, and writing as man writeth, teaching these things of Jehovih and His works.
23. And in the thirty-third year thereof, the Embassadors of the angel hosts of heaven prepared and revealed unto man in the name of Jehovih, His heavenly kingdoms; and have thus herein made known the plan of his delightful creations, for the resurrection of the peoples of the earth.
24. Not immaculate in this Book, Oahspe; but to teach mortals how to attain to hear the Creator's voice, and to see His heavens, in full consciousness, whilst still living on the earth; and to know of a truth the place and condition awaiting them after death.
25. Neither are, nor were, the revelations within this Oahspe wholly new to mortals. The same things have been revealed at the same time unto many, who live at remote distances from one another, but who were not in correspondence till afterward.
26. Because this light is thus comprehensive, embracing corporeal and spiritual things, it is called the beginning of the Kosmon Era. And because it relates to sky, earth and spirit, it is called Oahspe.
A quick search of History reveals that at no time have Buddhists killed anyone in order to spread their truth -- try again.
StychoKiller
"A quick search of History reveals that at no time have Buddhists killed anyone in order to spread their truth -- try again."
Not really up on Asian History are you.
Buddhists have killed people since Buddhism has started it's spread. Just a couple of years ago two seperate sects of Buddhism were warring for the same Thai temple. More recently there was an artcile from one famous Zen practioner claiming that a famous Zen head monk, modern not past, had been trading for sexual favors. Just like the Christians.
You want pure Buddhism, find the old monks who live damn near naked in the forests or mountains practicing what they preached.
Everyone else is still a Dogmatists.
know thyself.................be moderate in all things
am doing that, more should try it
hard to believe that every established religion has done that. It's almost as if...the mortals have more than one agenda :/
Gully your generalizations are off. Is this what you mean about monks fighting? It's in Cambodia, not Thailand and one set of antagonists seem to be state actors for the VN government.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-449704/Buddhist-monks-brawl-outs...
Buddhist still kill Buddhists, see Thailand last April, but any rational observer would see that there's a lot more peace, compassion and tranquility amongst the people than in any other society on the planet.
I live in the mountains and the forests. The forests are going the way of the buffaloe.
buffalow.
This would fit right in at the Denver airport.
The great classic authors were all over these ideas, eg, Horace:
est ut viro latius ordinet
arbusta sulcis, hic generosior
descendat in Campum petitor,
moribus hic meliorque fama
contendat; illi turba clientium
sit maior; aequa lege Necessitas
sortitur insignes et imos:
omne capax movet urna nomen...
...Timor et Minae
scandunt eodem quo dominus, neque
decedit aerata triremi et
post equitem sedet atra Cura.
'Tis true that one man plants his vineyards over wider acres than his fellow; that one candidate for office who comes down to the Campus is of nobler birth, another of greater worth and fame, while still another has a larger band of followers; yet with impartial justice Necessity allots the fates of the high and low alike. The ample urn keeps tossing every name... Fear and Threats climb to the selfsame spot the owner does; nor does black Care quit the brass-bound galley and even takes her seat behind the horseman.
It seems to me, and I am far from an expert here, that the problem has always been how to deal with irrational numbers. So much so, that constants were devised as an attempt to make them go away.
Apparently, it's time to take a look at our faith in these constants. Complexity and Chaos theory demonstrate that there are many patterns in nature that evolve out of apparent chaos. Maybe, it's time to embrace the irrational, or to at least recognize the limits of our constants, and how they impact our view of reality.
That's pretty wild. I started understanding math counting on my fingers... so constants were always the starting point for me.
Take your ideas and put them down on paper.
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Einstein's Theory of Relativity proposes that gravity is a constant, yet, recent gravitational measurements during lunar eclipses clearly shows that it is not, in fact, gravitational "shielding" is possible ...
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1003/1003.4947v1.pdf
Einestein's General Theory of Relativity says no such thing. Gravity and the curvature of space-time are interchangeable. If Gravity were constant, there would be NO curvature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_constant
BTW, thanks for pointing me towards Kurt Godel's work, very interesting.
Only if you REALLY like going deep down into the rabbit hole WITHOUT a map. ;)
Never read that one. Metamagical Themas. I figure since he said creativity is just variatons on a theme that book was just a variable.
Study some Quantum Theory, then look up Kurt Goedel.
There is a debate among evolutionists which pits punctuated equilibrium vs. gradualism. The Author here seems to be saying that in the case of societal evolution you will have periods of gradualism marked by occasional shocks in which big leaps are made. If you can't solve the whole problem, you can solve part of it.
Gradual solutions have positive carry-- you can turn incremental, understandable refinements of existing ideas into professorships or other jobs of economic value.
Truly radical ideas have negative carry until the world catches up with them. Then it's they generate phenomenal melt-ups.
True. Was it an IBM executive who said that no executive would ever use something called a mouse?
640KBytes is all the memory anyone will ever need -- Bill Gates
Bill Gates is a monocle and a Persian cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie. - Dennis Miller
I am Chumbawamba.
He clearly did not hold that limitation to money.
You're think of Thomas Watson, Sr., who purportedly said, "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
But it apparently is merely folklore (although, as always, rooted in a kernel of truth):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Watson#Famous_misquote
I am Chumbawamba.
You're think of Thomas Watson, Sr., who purportedly said, "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
But it apparently is merely folklore (although, as always, rooted in a kernel of truth):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Watson#Famous_misquote
I am Chumbawamba.
Come on guys, stop with the nay sayin.
All you need is a little faith and trust. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, a little dust.
Bernanke's QE2 vision for the last quarter of 2010:
Think of the presents you've bought
Any merry little thought
Think of Christmas, think of snow
Think of sleigh bells Here we go!
Like a reindeer in the sky
You can fly! You can fly!
You can fly! You can fly!
Soon you'll zoom all around the room
All it takes is faith and trust
But the thing that's a positive must
Is a little bit of pixie dust
The dust is a positive must
You can fly! You can fly!
You can fly! You can fly!
When there's a smile in your heart
There's no better time to start
It's a very simple plan
You can do what the birdies can
At least it's worth a try
You can fly! You can fly!
You can fly! You can fly!
Sorry, posted in wrong article, had two browsers open.
Gnostic solutions are difficult to share, and there's no universal way to propagate strategies for achieving them. Formalized behavioral structures tend to diffuse most effectively when promoted through appeals to the simplest of human emotions like fear and anger.
If you want physical action, don't fight the biology: try to provoke the "fight or flight" response.
If you want to change the way people think, it seems to require an approach which no one has quite managed to pin down yet.
Years ago I was in a recording studio which had recently updated to fully digital post-processing. The racks and racks for equipment were still there, but they were mostly empty shells--virtually all of the old analog gear had been sold off or discarded. There was some company which manufactured novelty faceplates you could install in the old racks--they looked like sophisticated analog effects processors, but didn't actually do anything. Knobs and faders corresponded to blinking lights and LED arrays.
My favorite was called something like the "Inspiration Envelope Equalizer." One knob on it went from "Hmmmm....." at the low end to "Aha!" at the peak.
That is very interesting.
Nobody ever asked me my opinion, to join or vote.
Its worth attempting to reconstruct your family genealogy. Too many Americans don't even know the names of their grandparents or great grandparents let alone older people. It gets complicated, but the archives are there and many are online. The LDS is a super help. After being lucky enough to trace family back to Germany, Sweden, Wales and Scotland as well as tracing family across America, one thing became very clear. For the vast majority of my family's history, we were sharecroppers or worse. Most people that came from Europe to America had no prospects, were not the first born son, lived during times of famine. It was not until the 1920's, when the railroad was better established that any family member got a non-farm job. Its been a mini-bubble ever since, with a dab of college here, a suburban house there, etc. My family's tale is not much different than others, except as noted from the subject article, it does NOT contain castles, fortunes, daring adventure, or political intrigue, or otherwise the rewriting of elites. Its life after life of desperation, migration and living in the margins.
Its very hard to solider forth in this life with no identity. People need to know something - good or bad - about where they are from or how they are linked to the past in order to organize and find some purpose and joy in their future.
Me thinks for many un and underemployed Americans right now, its a slow decline back into the landlord's mud-fields. Only this time, your son will have an iPad attached to their hip.
LDS=?
Mormons = LDS = Latter Day Saints or something like that.
THX
The only thing that is interesting is the same as usual with current propaganda: people who believe it are people who put out an act of faith to be accepted by their group.
The very idea that one can track power through money is extremelly poor.
One could be the most powerful person of a country without being the richest person. Usually the US president is depicted as the most powerful person in the world. How many US presidents were the richest person in the world? In the US? Save, maybe George Washington, very few looked like credible pretenders.
Better check the eight (8) presidents that came before George Washington, they weren't poor boys by any means.
Dead Prez in da house!
Random website with names of dead "Presidents" pre George Washington:
http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312172/early.html
at first I thought you said LSD was a super help, and I agreed.
If only we could dose a whole liveaid event.
Or the guys who'd rather exchange the food aid for weapons, and/or added balances in Swiss bank accounts.
Pol Pot and his buddies decided that Utopia was an agrarian society with no property rights or familial ties. He devised a plan to achieve it and its motto for personnel decisions was "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss".
In America, the EU, and China we have large groups of politicians and academics who believe that a "modern" society should be based not on unalienable human rights, but on cost/benefit ratios determined by really smart people. They will vehemently deny that their ideas have any similarity to those of our friend Pol Pot, but I suspect the outcomes will be similar.
Well put.
It doesn't matter if they want utopia or cost-benefit ratios. The data suggests that they can't contorl anything, much less the outlook for their descendents. Ultimately more worthy people will take over and pick up the pieces.
I wonder where Pol Pot got his ideas. Oh no, I dont. Unalienable human rights in the US? Well, guess it is all about who is a human being then. Because the human being condition is not a given.
US propagandists should wake up. The story about the Indians' unalienable rights is well known. Dont waste your energy on producing this cheap propaganda. Produce a propaganda that can be believed in.
Produce a propaganda that can be believed in...
Truth would be a much better solution. Interesting comments so far. My own identity is mixed as most US citizen's. Sliver of ancestral declaration signer, participant at the Alamo, (inside the wall), trail of tears mixed breed with scottish blood, dust bowl oakey, CA native.
Fact is, I believe what constitutes our unity is a voluntary adherence to a common concept of justice. We occasionally drift from these moorings into retribution, vengence and ignorance. "Eye for an eye" is actually a perfectly sane, just and merciful reaction to deliberate and intentional "malice aforethought". When properly administered, Hatfield and McCoy escalations can be minimized and society can enjoy equilibrium, growth and progress.
"Unalienable rights" This term makes my head hurt when I stop and really ponder it and it's meaning and origins. What kind of mastermind of individuals arrived at this? Excuse the meanderings, it's just a good Sat AM for thinking.
@boxed
The concept of unalienable rights is routinely dismissed, especially in academia. They point out specific injustices as evidence that no such thing exists. An educated Chinese friend (math professor) tells me only naive/religious people can hold such beliefs, and in his country the topic never comes up in polite conversation. But what are the alternatives to this ideal? We have over 100 million examples (in the 20th century) that indicate the other schemes might have some drawbacks as well.
Don't know if it originated there but try Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, 2nd paragraph.
Milestones
And after that, try John Locke
the law of the great peace : http://www.manataka.org/page135.html paragraph 99
The whole theory set forth above is fatally flawed.
Changes in surnames would explain families with land but sonless.
A more careful examination of surnames would be of the suffix of the surnames that indicate Norman blood, i.e. ending in -son, -orf, -or, -sen, etc. vs. non-Norman blood like the Welsh.
How often did that happen? If your wife couldn't have children you had fun with the handmaid. If you couldn't... well the husband probably never knew...
I have no idea what your last statement has to do with anything. If you were on a "who's who" list you preserved your name as it has brand power. When you dropped off the list, your brand was diminished.
Well, I could get into the whole history of the English language, or just give you a simple example: Henry VIII
No one disputes that there are exceptions. But one rare incident of a "virgin" queen does not undo the findings of a thousand years of geneology.
You are missing the high infant mortality rate that occurred prior to WWII. Half-blood siblings were the norm, not the exception.
You seem to be arguing that Joe Smith gives all his money to his cousin Sam Jones for whatever reason. Therefore the elite remains with changed names.
There are serious challenges to it.
1) You carried on the family line via the surname that embodied the money because that was how property rights are established across the globe.
2) People overwhelmingly are able to reproduce. And they bestow their money to an immediate descendent. These descendents mean revert in income.
3) Ownership rights are not stable, because governments and societies collpase due to war, disease, whatever. in the collapse and reset the elite get vaporized.
Guess I just made up hemophillia.
Would I be right in assuming that the surname theory also eliminates all maiden names from the equasion?
I think so, with exceptions like the virgin queen but then she had no descendents.
Pimp this!
When scumbags get a hold of a "central bank" it gives them the staying power to perpetuate their spawn through the centuries.
Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Bushes EXPOSED!
http://www.scribd.com/full/46472542?access_key=key-22e0yetd5tgsq7hw7fm3
That is wonderful. Learned something today.
Today, it was learned that money is power. Yes, yes, yes. Money is power.
Power is no longer something that is derived from a certain organization of a society but it is money.
Therefore, by tracking the money through generations, one can determine whether or not a ruling class exist.
Lets see the case of that miracle sportsman and a police officer. Sportsman is packed up with money. He is powerful. Police officer, way less because he is much less packed with money. Sportsman can arrest you anytime on any ground. He's got money. Police officer? Nope. The dude can do nothing. He is too poor.
Propaganda is getting cheaper and cheaper by the day. Propagandists are really out of ideas to provide something that could hold for more than one minute.
Incredible. And this, in a country where it is well known that the King/Queen could be broke but still remains the King/Queen;which included the power to hang the bankers to whom the King/Queen was indebted.
The Bankers had the power because they had the money. The King had not. He was loaded with debt. Wonderful.
I would say that money = stored power. The power to be autonomous in ill times. The power to get out of Dodge if need be. This is how it has always been. Everything else is for daydream believers.
Black Swan resistant societies have always held something like the following as a truism: "The debtor becomes the slave." Ignore this wisdom at one's peril.
That is great. The power to be autonomous in ill times? Autonomous from what? From powerful people?
As to "the debtor becomes the slaves" , well, as I reported, some kings in the past had shown how valid this scam is.
Somebody indebted to a powerful person, that is one person who can get his side of the deal enforced by the way society is organized, yep, maybe, that somebody will end as a slave.
But somebody indebted to a powerless person, whaoooo... That somebody, especially if he is a US citizen, will repell debt obligations anytime and will never end a slave.
Stop low cost propaganda. It has been debunked centuries ago now and people no longer has to invest to bring up solid facts. It was done.
There's a lot of baggage you bring that I don't understand. Can you clarify what has been "debunked for centuries now"?
If <insert whatever you are referring to> has been debunked, then show the those solid facts. I could be wrong just like anybody.
That very idea of accounting of power through money is sheer non sense.
That the debtor becomes the slave.
As to providing facts, just checking the category of examples I underlined is enough.
And the debts they were written off.
And the way the US built their infrastructures through the 19th.
Who would want today to lend money to a drugs cartel lord with the idea that if the drugs cartel lord does not pay the debt, he will become a slave?
Very few people. Because most people know through empirical experience that a debt is as valid as the power to enforce the settlement of the debt.
Anyone less powerful than a cartel lord wont risk to lend money as they know the guy can walk away from his obligations anytime.
But of course, you are wrong. This is not a possibility. That is a fact.
Much of this is incomprehensible. Leaving your shrill stuff aside, those railroads in the 19th century almost all went bankrupt in the biggest bubble of that century. It took a generation for capacity to match demand.
How is this incomprehensible?
Money can not account for power.
Debt is as valid as the power to enforce the settlement of it.
Repo teams exist. Loan sharks have their henchmen to perform the task.
Railroads? Exactly that.
Infrastructure has this nice. Once built, it cost money to destroy it or move it away. So when a bubble is created on an infrastructure project, pops up, guess what? The infrastructure is here to stay and the lender is screwed.
Infrastructure in the US:
-launch a project
-Inflate in a bubble
-companies get bankrupt
-Infrastructure built and located in the US.
The debtor is the slave? No, the lender is the slave. Provided wealth for free.
It is incomprehensible because you are so emotionally invested in the subject you can't reason straight.
The railroad example. The railroad owners were funded by bonds. The railroads overextended in terms of debt, and their cashflow couldn't meet funding needs. They went bankrupt. Who became the new owners? The creditors. Out with the old elite, in with the new elite on a small scale.
So the "repo teams" actually serve the creditors.
Your infrastructure cycle supports my point. Bubble or no, bankruptcy means creditors become owners. And the "elite" lose their ownership rights.
The debtor becomes the slave to the creditor. He is bound to pay him or he loses his rights to ownership.
Laughable. Emotionnaly invested? Cant reason straight?
That is exactly because creditors know that the debtor not forcefully becomes a slave to them that they have to support the extra cost of the repo team and likes.
Creditors know a debtor can walk away from his obligations on debt and therefore have to invest to avoid this possibility.
And debtors walking away from their obligations because the creditors were not powerful enough to get their side of the deal enforced are numerous in History. Just check the US history and the infrastructure building. The US gave the middle finger to many lenders in that story. US citizens did not end as slaves.
The slaves in the US were black people. White could not be slaves as slavery was racially construed in the US.
If a mass of debtors walk on their bonded obligations, they and their children pay for it via taxes, bailouts, inflation, unrest, etc. Everyone loses here. Debtors lose more because creditors don't forget.
So funny.
Yep sure.
So you are telling that the US are currently paying for screwing creditors who allowed the US infrastructure to be built? Genius.
And I am the emotionally invested in this stuff...
US citizens, and part of the other Westerners who were contamined by US ideology fail big time to perceive themselves as they are.
So propaganda is nice and fair but provide good propaganda. And not wishful thinking.
Money can not account for power. The article is bogus.
And a debtor is not forcefully a slave to a creditor. Only debtors what turn slaves are people who borrow from more powerful people than themselves.
My pet conspiracy theory (short form)...eugenics.
The major universities across the globe all had eugenics departments, studies, papers, classes etc. Tenured professors teaching this cult like belief to the young and impressionable.
My contention is the eugenics movement never really died out after WWII.
How else could we be at a place in our society where those on high could deign to tell the people what to eat, in what quantities, what to drink, in what quantities, how much to exercise, what type of exercise...the list is a long one.
Now we are at the point where the mayor of a large city will impose fines on private business who do not comply with a "state sanctioned" meal recipe.
Eugenics bitchez.
The US has been the most efficient promoter and enabler of eugenics.
Back in the 1920s, they funded those policies in a certain number of european countries.