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Guest Post: Police State Amerika

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By David Galland, Casey Research

Police State Amerika

I just had a conversation
with constitutional lawyer and monetary expert Dr. Edwin Vieira. I first
became acquainted with Dr. Vieira, who holds four degrees from Harvard
and has extensive experience arguing cases before the Supreme Court, at
our recent Casey Research Summit
in Boca Raton, where he spoke on how far off the constitutional rails
the nation has traveled. Here is a summary of what he told me…

Vieira and I covered a lot of ground in our lengthy conversation, most
of it related to the U.S. monetary system – its history, nature, and
likely fate. But in between the details and analysis of how it is that
the nation’s fiscal and monetary affairs have deteriorated to the
current dismal state – and how the global sovereign debt crisis is
likely to be resolved – a couple of deeply concerning truths emerged.

Concerning because, taken together, these truths have set the stage for a full-blown police state.

first of these two truths has to do the nature of today’s money. To set
the stage, I present the following excerpt from Dr. Vieira’s paper A Cross of Gold related to the original Federal Reserve Act.

Section 16 of the Act provided that:

reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Federal Reserve
Board for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks are
hereby authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United
States, and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and
Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues.
They shall be redeemed in gold on demand at the Treasury Department of
the United States, or in gold or lawful money at any Federal reserve

Observe: From the very
first, Federal Reserve Notes were denominated “advances” and
“obligations”—that is, instruments and evidence of debt. True “money”, however, is the most liquid of all assets, not a debt that might be repudiated, and certainly not a debt that has been serially repudiated.

if Federal Reserve Notes were from the start to be “redeemed in gold or
lawful money”, they obviously were never conceived to be either “gold”
or “lawful money”. So, because by definition the only “money”
the law recognizes is “lawful money”, by law Federal Reserve Notes were
never (and are not now) actual “money” at all, but at best only some
sort of substitute for “money”.

monetary conjurers’ trick has been, slowly, steadily, and stealthily,
to reverse this understanding in the public’s mind. That is, to make the
substitute pass for the real thing, and then remove the real thing from
the operation.

This subterfuge was not
overly difficult to put over. After all, in the term “redeemable
currency”, which is the noun and which the adjective? When people deal
with a “paper currency redeemable in gold”, the natural uninstructed
inclination is to treat the paper currency as “money” and the gold as
something else. The paper currency, as the saying goes, is merely
“backed” by gold—but of course is not itself gold. And because the
currency is not itself gold, the money-manipulators can remove the gold
“backing” farther and farther into the background, without affecting the nature of the paper as “currency” (at least nominally).

a “redeemable currency” can be converted into a “contingently
redeemable” or “conditionally redeemable” currency, through temporary
suspension of specie payments (as happened repeatedly during the
Nineteenth Century); and then into a full-fledged “irredeemable
currency”, through permanent suspension of specie payments, as with
Federal Reserve Notes after 1933 domestically and 1971 internationally.

to the average citizen (whose most serious liability is mental
inertia), even though a paper currency’s promise of redemption has been
dishonored, it nonetheless remains “currency”.

Thus one grasps that the so-called “right to redemption” attached to any paper currency is actually a liability, inasmuch as it exposes the holders of that currency to repudiation, because they possess only the paper, not the gold.

in the best of times, the holders of redeemable paper currency are not
economically and politically independent. Rather, they depend upon the
honesty and the competence of the money-managers.

This is why America’s Founding Fathers, realists all, denominated redeemable paper currency as “bills of credit”.
They knew that such bills’ values in gold or silver always depended
upon the issuers’ credit—that is, ultimately, the issuers’ honesty and
ability to manage their financial affairs.

unavoidable trouble with “bills of credit”, though, is that they can
(and usually do) turn out to be “bills of discredit”, when the holders
discover that the money-managers are dishonest and
incompetent—or worse, as is the situation today, highly competent at
dishonesty. Then the holders of the paper currency (if they are
sufficiently astute) realize how unwise it is to allow the gold to be
held by the very people with the greatest incentive, and the uniquely
favorable position and opportunity, to steal it.

when the money-managers refuse to redeem their currency, what can the
holders of that currency do to protect themselves? Well, what were they
able to do in 1933 and in 1971? Nothing. If the holders of
Federal Reserve Notes had enjoyed an effective, enforceable “right” to
the gold that the Federal Reserve System and the Treasury of the United
States promised to pay in redemption of those notes—that is, if the
currency had been “redeemable” in the only meaningful sense that redemption was absolutely assured as a matter of law and especially fact—the gold seizures of 1933 and 1971 would never have happened.

Thus, the ostensibly “redeemable” character of paper currency of the pre-1933 and pre-1971 type did not protect the holders of that currency. Instead, it turned out to be the very device used to deceive, defraud, divest, and dispossess them of gold—proving
in the most palpable manner that a society’s acceptance of “redeemable
currency” is the product of confusion and the invitation to inevitable
economic and political disaster.

In our conversation, Dr. Vieira
ticked off eight specific ways in which the current monetary system is
unconstitutional. While I won’t go into the specifics here, the
important thing to understand is that, as currently operated, the
federal government has managed to manipulate things to avoid any
constitutional restrictions on its ability to spend.

This, of
course, gives the government free rein to reward favored voting blocs
with expensive social programs, buy fleets of limousines, launch
expensive overseas adventures, bail out well-connected donors, and
otherwise spend the country into ruin.

To understand why this is
so important as a precedent to the evolution of fascism, view the matter
in reverse by considering how different things would be if the
constitutionally mandated requirement that the government’s currency be
redeemable in good money – gold or silver – was still enforced. In that
case, the government’s ability to spend would be effectively limited by
what it collected in revenues. That, in turn, would have greatly
curtailed its ability to grow into the bloated juggernaut it has.

In other words, the American ideal of a limited government would have been hard wired.

it stands, though, exactly the opposite has been allowed to evolve –
unchallenged by anyone, including the Supreme Court. Why has the
nation’s highest court chosen not to tackle this clear breach of the

According to Dr. Vieira, it is likely because if
they were to void the current system as being unconstitutional, they
would effectively blow apart the U.S. and global economy. But as they
have no authority to even suggest an alternative system, they are faced
with the reality that while they have the power to do great damage, they
have no power to cushion the blow. And so, the Supreme Court does

As a result, the ability of the federal government to
continue its insane spending and rolling out new initiatives designed to
win over voters continues with no legal restraints – the latest example
being the health-care initiative.

Put another way, in cahoots
with the Fed, the federal government is able to wage war, bail out the
banks, foster socialism, and otherwise bankrupt the nation – to do
whatever it wants – largely thanks to its continued operation of an
unconstitutional monetary system.

It Gets Worse…

second fundamental truth is that the Supreme Court has been a
co-conspirator and instrument of the government’s degradation of
individual liberty.

Dr. Vieira and I spent a fair amount of time
on this topic – of how the nation’s highest court could let stand the
egregious excesses of recent decades; the Patriot Act, Guantanamo,
institutionalized torture and renditions, domestic spying,
eminent-domain abuses, warrantless searches, etc., etc. In his view,
there can be only one of two reasons that the Supreme Court has been so
accommodating – one is that the justices are incredibly incompetent, and
the other is that they are working within the context of an unseen

Ruling out the first, his final conclusion is that they
are operating with an unseen agenda in mind. In his view, that agenda
revolves around the rising potential for widespread social unrest
emanating from the nationwide monetary Ponzi scheme. Doing its part to
prepare, the Supreme Court has been establishing the precedents
necessary for the government to cope with that unrest.

Too radical
a thought? Returning to Dr. Vieira’s point – ask yourself how else to
explain the Supreme Court’s actions. Are they collectively of low
intelligence, or otherwise so stupid as to be unable to understand the
Constitution? Or do they now view the Constitution and the Bill of
Rights as dead letters, freeing them up to respond to the government’s
overheated demands for new and previously unimaginable new “emergency”
(read “fascist”) powers?

Is there an alternative explanation?

this general theme, Dr. Vieira correctly points out that, in order for a
fascist state to exist does not require the government to actually
arrest anyone – but only that they can arrest anyone. Do you think you broke a law over the past week? I can assure you that every one of you dear readers broke a lot
of laws. Sure, you may not have realized you were breaking a law – but,
as the old saying goes, “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.”

The Stage Is Set

in its growth by any constitutionally mandated limits on its ability to
create and manipulate money – the official currency now being nothing
more than IOUs redeemable in nothing more tangible than coins made out
of base metal alloys with inflated face values – and supported by a
Supreme Court that has unequivocally demonstrated a willingness to
ignore or sign off on egregious tramplings of the Constitution, the
stage is set for the U.S. government to evolve into something far more
dangerous on the domestic front.

All it requires now is a
triggering event, and it would be naïve to think that such an event
won’t occur. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not this decade – but when it
inevitably does, the federal government already has all the precedents
it needs to do “whatever it takes.” This absence of legal restrictions
on its actions is the very foundation of fascism.

When I asked
Dr. Vieira how the nation has progressed on a scale from 1 to 10 towards
becoming a police state, with 10 being a full-blown version, he put us
currently at about 7.

There really is no investment angle to be
derived from this situation – well, at least nothing new. Owning
tangible investments that will hold up in the face of a continued
currency debasement continues to make sense – but with the caveat that
FDR’s unconstitutional gold confiscation of the 1930s was let stand and
there is zero reason to think that the accommodating Supreme Court
wouldn’t go along with it again. One would hope to see straws in the
wind before any moves toward confiscation would begin. Until those
straws start flying, the precious metals – as well as other tangibles –
belong as part of your portfolio.

And I’d be remiss if I didn’t
mention the importance of politically diversifying your life and your
money as one of the few steps you can take to avoid the serious risk
that comes from being “all in” in a single jurisdiction.

readers have berated me for often writing on what might be considered
gloomy topics. To which I would respond: If you are sitting in a theater
and see a fire breaking out, would you fail to make others aware of it,
because you didn’t want to interrupt their entertainment?

we can see a fire blowing up – the kindling for which has been piled up
deep by a series of out-of-control governments. Unless and until there
is something akin to an “American Spring.” this fire is going to spread
and consume even more of the accumulated wealth of the broader public –
and maybe worse.

Do what you can to protect yourself and your
families – then get on with your life. You may not be able to do much
about the bigger-picture trend, but you can certainly take steps on a
personal level to mitigate the ill effects.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst… but then live life to the fullest


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Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:11 | 1359978 weinerdog43
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Perhaps if you would use your tiny brain for a change you might look up what Mr. Viera has to say:

1.) Judicial insanity in Indiana;

2.) on the Fed's transfer of wealth...


Drop the republic party banner for 5 seconds.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:16 | 1359986 silvertrain
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lookup the book "piece's of eight"

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:27 | 1360025 Rational Psycho
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James Turk interview with Edwin Vieira, author of "pieces of eight"

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:47 | 1360079 mynhair
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Just got ticked 'cuz the dip obviously assumed 'Haavad' meant I was repube.

For the record, I will vote for an orange juice can over Oblahma (Levin stole it).

Ron Paul is a joke, maybe his kid will be better.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 00:07 | 1360547 PaddyFields
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Ron "Paul is a joke?" That's so dissappointing. Still, is must be true if pronounced by a man with the rapier wit to write 'Oblahma'. Genius

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 07:45 | 1360884 Spirit Of Truth
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What's interesting is how supportive RussiaToday is of Ron Paul:

Now why is this?  Moscow is rather savvy about identifying, infiltrating and undermining the opposition at as early a stage as possible.

More -

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 09:09 | 1360935 JW n FL
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Spirit, seriously? I mean fucking really?


this is the manipulation that concerns you?


these idiots are selling that Kokesh is a Russian Spy! fuck me.


Seriously? this is what you have to offer?


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 11:45 | 1361134 Spirit Of Truth
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I have much more to offer than that for those willing to think for themselves, i.e., freely:

While Kokesh, Alex Jones, Barack Obama, etc., may be useful stooges, I don't think this is the case w/Ron Paul.  Note that I wrote infiltrate the future opposition.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 10:54 | 1361080 Sizzurp
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BTW, Russia and China both have flat taxes of around 12%, and that is all you have to pay.  Russia has been about the only country willing to stand up to the banking oligopally, a few years ago at the Davos meeting, Medvedev brought a Gold coin and said that it should be the new reserve currency.  I am not saying I trust Putin, but I think they see what is happening here in this country, and they have been there done that.  It doesn't work.  Ron Paul is the only candidate advocating a limited foreign policy, and returning soldiers home from foreign bases.  It is the stated policy of Russia to limit US influence in Asia, so from the russian standpoint, Ron Paul makes a lot of sense.  I also happen to think he makes a lot of sense for the US.  Trying to fear monger Ron Paul, Kokesh and the other prominent liberitarians as "russian agents" is a joke.  The real Marxists are in Washington and in power.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 11:15 | 1361107 malikai
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I suppose Rupert Murdoch must be part of the rejuvenated Stasi then, since he also allows RP, Napolitano, and the like on FOX.

On second thought, Rupy probably is part of the rejuvenated Stasi.. 

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 12:55 | 1361242 Cathartes Aura
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there are a handful of career politicians that advocate change, and serve their district (apparently, as they're voted back in), etc. - I would say Ron Paul fits in this sector. . . but all those who believe that an individual "voted" to high figurehead can make ANY changes in the overall plan/trajectory is sadly still labouring under the illusion that "change" can happen through "the people voting."

too far down the road folks, time to realise a deeper truth, and prepare accordingly.  stop "hoping" a vote will "change" amrka.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 14:12 | 1361377 laomei
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As someone who lives in China... you have no idea what you are talking about

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 00:09 | 1360548 PaddyFields
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I agree with the previous comment.



Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:49 | 1360336 Arnolds Love Child
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When I woke up I had drooled on my shirt.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 03:43 | 1360805 DollarMenu
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@ Rational Psycho

Thank you for that link to the Vieria interview.

A fascinating discussion filled with optimistic possibilities.

Eliciting the States to exercise their Constitutional powers - what energizing concepts.

Certainly worth viewing again and again.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:55 | 1360104 navy62802
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Holy shit! That book costs $200!!

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:17 | 1360266 Captain Benny
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Thats 200 slips of paper-like fabric that burn rather quickly being converted into 1722 pages of paper that contain far more useful information and still burn and last even longer keeping you warm when the fiat fails.  Its an investment alright... one I'd consider.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 23:49 | 1360528 alien-IQ
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so does a bottle of Dom...which one will last longer?

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 15:06 | 1361477 JW n FL
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Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:14 | 1359989 mynhair
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Weinerdog, you are a seminar poster.  Piss off.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:29 | 1360290 weinerdog43
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Well, if you mean by seminar, yes, I'm lecturing you.  That is what teachers and professors do to students.  Please put down the republic party flag.  Learning requires an open mind.  Thanks.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:43 | 1360303 mynhair
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Fri, 06/10/2011 - 23:55 | 1360533 alien-IQ
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disdain for intellect is the new flag waving.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 10:15 | 1361028 Bob
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An ironic celebration of pride. 

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 18:56 | 1359921 I think I need ...
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so which way is it going? Are we going to have a "crisis" or is big Ben going to frontrun everyone and devalue

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:05 | 1359962 mynhair
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Where have you been?  Been in a crisis since 11/08.  Or 04, depends on your calendar.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:13 | 1359972 Boop
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Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:31 | 1360030 Raynja
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war will claok the printing press in patriotism.


odds on favorite for an event  is a major cyber attack.  since us stating they could counterattack a cyber attack with a physical attack stories on hackers has exploded

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:14 | 1360380 serotonindumptruck
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I'm hoping for an event that is out of the elites' control. A super-massive CME from the Sun would fit that description nicely. Solar cycle 24 is well underway, and the Sun hasn't been this active in recorded scientific history. Our solar system seems to be displaying signs of extreme chaos and rapid change. The Earth's magnetic field has been steadily growing weaker, and the North and South poles are rapidly migrating.

I believe that what is about to happen occurs every 3600 years. It is a cyclical cosmic event. And we've all got front row seats in this theater of terror.

It's a great time to be alive.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 23:50 | 1360530 Abitdodgie
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I agree with you ,but for some reason they don't like to talk about Elenin on ZH, looks like a lot of people are getting to their destinations already

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 10:57 | 1361096 Dejean Splicer
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Because Elenin is smokescreen cover for the winged planet.


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:28 | 1360677 Oh regional Indian
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It is indeed SDT.

I call it species level innovation. 


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 07:51 | 1360888 Pope Clement
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It's been 6,000 years since the last major discombobulation of the solar system which has been documented in the world's 'Sacred' and mythic literature - scary shit indeed.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 10:57 | 1361089 Oh regional Indian
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Indeed Il Papas, indeed. You are on the spot. 


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 11:20 | 1361111 old naughty
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People are still fully emersed in the duality, that is why it s so difficult to make them awaken --- they thought they are awake, but really not.

But the superconscious is cycling forward. Species level extinction? I like your "innovation" better.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:01 | 1359933 buzzsaw99
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A lawyer with 4 degrees from Harvard is going to set us on the road to righteousness. LMAO!

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:43 | 1360308 kito
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oh and i thought it was the guy from princeton that had that role!!!  those ivy leaguers, sooooooo smart!!!

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:49 | 1360326 Arnolds Love Child
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No. A Rabbi from Brooklyn.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:50 | 1360339 Al Gorerhythm
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So, what's the buzz then 99? What you got for us?

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:36 | 1360398 I_ate_the_crow
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A large majority of the founders were attorneys. Not all of them are parasites. It's like any other segment of society: a few powerful criminals, a lot of irresponsible idiots, and a tiny minority of righteous citizens.

This post is a fantastic perspective and one that I totally agree with. Contrary to what they would have you believe, the Supreme Court is a political entity, and thus it is as equally worthless and as easily marginalized as Congress and the Executive. When you couple that fact with an understanding of the bogus federal reserve banking system and regulatory capture, only then do you see the inevitable result of two converging corruptions: a fascist police state.

There was a time when I would have called all day traders leeches who offered nothing to society. However, if it weren't for a tiny minority of righteous traders (ZH, Turd, Keiser) exposing the manipulation, the rest of us unitiated idiots might still think the stock market was legit. The legal profession is no different and in the coming months there will be a tiny minority of attorneys that help expose the coming police state. The question is, what will you do with this knowledge? Make fun of Harvard elites, or start making some fucking noise in your community that you will not stand for decisions like the one made by the Indiana Supreme Court?

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 23:40 | 1360513 johnnynaps
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What will I do? I am going to continue to milk my unenjoyment knowing that I am not financing this BS! When that runs out, cash jobs to keep from financing this. The fun part of all this police state is......our government isn't adding police, they are cutting their jobs. So, me thinks the police state is going to actually go backwards in effectiveness. I really can't wait for the next financial catastrophe which should eliminate another 20% of the police force. Then it's Viva Atlantic City in record time on my sport bike!

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:33 | 1360689 Widowmaker
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The police state is moving swiftly towards privatization.  Goodbye justice and reformation  hello bonus.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 07:15 | 1360865 onthesquare
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Has anyone just up and disappeared?

When that begings to happen then you know the US is finished.

Not to worry. The rest of the western world governments are right behind the US govenment. Canada wants Libiya's oil and will help you get it. This will keep our dirty tar sands slowed down for a while and that is a good thing for the environment.

Taking over Libya is environmentally friendly.


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 10:10 | 1361019 JW n FL
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dont worry we are going to polute GOM some more! right along with your pristine natural wonders!

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 03:07 | 1360791 superflyguy
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that's when the blue helmets and contractors get in

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 19:13 | 1361930 FeralSerf
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Not adding police?!  Are you talking about the Feds?!  If so, what about TSA?  What about Blackwater?  What about the US Military?

The only police that are disappearing are the local ones that can't be paid.  The fascists that print the money are rapidly increasing their numbers.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 08:35 | 1360917 Cloud9.5
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I look down south of me at the third world country of Miami and I almost yearn for a police state.  Then I look at the rural hinterlands and I long for individual liberty.  It just might be that the Supreme Court is hedging its bets.  Consider if you will D.C. v  Heller

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 10:12 | 1361026 JW n FL
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You Cowards in Broward leave Palm Beach out of your site line with that Police State Bullshit!

Helicopters Over Brickell (a half dozen BlackHawk Army Choppers test landing (ropes) for troops on the Bank of America Building)

Miami Police Shot Protester, then laugh about it.

POLICE STATE 2011: Drones nearly ready to fly for Miami Dade Police Dept.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 12:42 | 1361227 Cloud9.5
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Actually I’m in Highlands.  My concern is that should the bread and circuses stop, my little county will in no way be able to accommodate the masses living in Dade County.  The ego centric selfish part of me would like to see a fence built between me and them.  My altruistic civil libertarian part opposes any totalitarian regime.   I suspect any control Miami Dade police exercise is directly tied to the continuation of the bread and circuses.  In a real collapse, they will go the same direction the New Orleans Police Department went during Katrina.


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 15:09 | 1361483 JW n FL
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you are thinking all wrong.. go south! Marathon the back way from mosquito.. or further south even? Dade is beyond fucked.. it always has been.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 19:35 | 1363693 Confuchius
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"POLICE STATE 2011: Drones nearly ready to fly for Miami Dade Police Dept"


Drones in miami police dept. ready to fly (away?)

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 11:35 | 1361124 Redneck Makin-tosh
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What if everyone, everywhere is simply trying to do their best given their circumstance and the tools/ ethics available to them? The crux of the problem appears to be that money itself is an essential, society enabling fraud but its control carries a historic bias towards an uneven distribution that may no longer be necessary or desirable.  

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 13:12 | 1361275 Seer
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Greetings to the one with the Scottish Highland cow as an avitar:-)

Einstein once quipped that our problems cannot be solved by the same minds that created them.

There was a Star Trek episode that recounted how Captain Kirk managed to pass a (class) test, getting out of a predicament that was supposed to have been impossible to get out of.  In effect, he reached outside of the box for the solution, one could say that he cheated.

Survival is, in essence, about cheating: nature abounds with trickery.  We have set up this elegant solution that locks us all into this mindset that allows us to be controlled.  And even the controllers are locked into it; I  suspect, as you suggest, that they feel ordained to be in control, and that this entitled position, such as George W. Bush's getting direct confirmation from God to attack Iraq, that they can and will resolve whatever problems that come.

THE crux of the "problem" is not money itself, which is but a symptom (same with "unequal distribution"), but of growth.  Our structures are all predicated on endless growth.  No one wishes to ask the question of what would happen if there were no growth; so, there's no discussion about any solution.

Over the cliff we go...

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 16:28 | 1361683 chumbawamba
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Good comment.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 03:50 | 1362580 Antipodeus
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Most 'dismal scientists' appear to equate 'sustainable equilibrium' with 'stagnation', and reject the notion automatically.  They still appear stuck in that mindset of 'rebuilding after the Flood', of 'filling up the eternally retreating Frontier'.  Too many 'economists' and 'legal-beagles', and not enough gardeners and shepherds.  It won't end well.  ;=((


Mon, 06/13/2011 - 04:56 | 1364222 Redneck Makin-tosh
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Slangevar! - Heelan' coo shares ginger genes, hairy arse and plenty bullshit ...

and I call bullshit (not junk though),

Survival is not, in essence, about cheating - although I can understand why parasites in particular may like to see it that way.

Cheating is a bit like madness, it can be fun but you probably dont want to make it your dominant characteristic.

Serial cheating, especially if motivated by narcissism,  requires treatment with compassion through relief of responsibility and subsequent re-education.

The creatvivity referred to in your example is unlikely to constitute cheating however if the examining body setting the test and sitting in judgement considered otherwise then it would appear to have acted incompetently and irresponsibly - an example of art imitating life?

In the question of growth it is often upheld that variety is the spice of life.  Growth presumably adds to that variety and the converse,  no growth, is avoided lest it begat monotony leading to boredom and ultimately fighting. 

Accordingly capital is used by good people to add spice to life through growth. Since money is the driver for that growth is it perhaps cheating to call it a symptom?

Otherwise we seem to be in agreement - Geronimo!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:09 | 1366315 old naughty
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but then cheating (Kirk's kind heart perhps) became serial cheating and addiction, when empathy had turned into willingness to be led...And so we went, into the tptb/sheeples duality...

We may have to go back to the y-fork to get going again?

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 04:31 | 1379819 Redneck Makin-tosh
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And jolly good fun it was too.

I suppose the Y-fork is an option but I doubt it is beyond the wit of man to escape from a monkey trap of our own making.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 18:57 | 1359935 mynhair
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Ok then.  'Conditionally'.

Don't pay bills in pennies.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 10:18 | 1361033 JW n FL
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they wanted money and pennies are money..

the guy being a dickhead, like you deserves whatever he gets.


Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:01 | 1359937 I think I need ...
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well i don't know about you guys but i think i'm going to sit down tonight and watch a little HGTV international and watch people buy vacation homes in far away lands that they actually have to fly to....not drive but certainly get two extremes when flipping thru the channels and reading zero hedge


Anyone have a take on when gold revaluation is because i'm not contributing one fuckin dime to the economy until the shakeout

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:06 | 1359950 mynhair
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I'd be stuck with HGTV, too, but the Wif is stuck in Vegas (can't read departure time apparently).

As I said before, gold will revalue as soon as you sell.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:38 | 1360060 topcallingtroll
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The guy who junked you is upset he sold early.

Just like george castanza i have learned that doing the opposite of what i want to do is the best policy.

I am such a shitty investor that a simple strategy such as that has served me well.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 20:27 | 1360188 mynhair
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I yearn for the time I'm junked into oblivion.  Means I pissed off a buch of Libs.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:32 | 1360295 weinerdog43
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"Means I pissed off a buch of Libs."

Well, no.  It means you are not arguing in good faith. 

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:46 | 1360317 mynhair
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Not in good faith?  Dicks like you, take hours and never make an argument.

Means you're a Lib - lost without a teleprompter.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:29 | 1360408 weinerdog43
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Oooh.  The always scary 'Lib' moniker.  Guaranteed to win the Glenn Beck and Limbaugh tiny penis award for brilliant argument.  Listen my tiny endowed friend, it is best you stop now.  Your mom is going to take away dad's notebook any minute.  Consider it a learning experience from those who are not interested in debating untermench.  Auf weidersehn cretin.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 00:14 | 1360562 PaddyFields
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'Teleprompter'? huh? Looks like we got ourselves a reader

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:57 | 1360450 Raphio
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No it means that you are sullying an intelligent discussions with inane comments

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 00:02 | 1360543 Crumbles
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Oh fuck you. You're no more than a rotten piece of anti intellectual shit!
Cannot spell, write, or add anything constructive to a conversation. Getting off on trashing folks with nothing good to offer except a hyperactive smugness exhibited in every other post. An evil bastard. Why don't you run for public office so you can hang with a crowd of peers? ZH would be a better place without another crap-filled hateful post from a junker with a despicable attitude exemplified by that fucking cat you claim as an avatar. Just leave, now, tonight, you prick-faced ass. Everything you write is junk, IMHO. To quote R. B. Cheney from the Senate floor; Fuckyou, fuck you FUCK YOU!

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 13:13 | 1361283 Seer
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Couldn't have been stated any better!

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:02 | 1360358 Al Gorerhythm
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Gold revalues continuously. Happening right before your eyes. Are you holding or waiting to buy? In your strategy, have you considered the $600 Trillion derivatives mountain (Dark Pool money) that has yet to be transfered (as conspicuous usable money added to M3) to balance sheets (coming to a clearing house near you, soon)?

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:00 | 1359945 RaymondKHessel
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Want to see our future watch THE RUNNING MAN "$6 for a coke!" "Big croud tonight." "Better here than in the streets." "What happened to buzz saw?" "He had to split."

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:20 | 1360009 buzzsaw99
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kuato lives

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 00:02 | 1360542 Vlad Tepid
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"You think this is the real Quaid?"

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 19:12 | 1361923 Reptil
Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:23 | 1360015 blueRidgeBoy
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way ahead of its time.  Richard Dawson's best role, too, IMO

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:44 | 1360065 Cheesy Bastard
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Definitely on both counts;

Damon Killian:(Richard Dawson) This is television, that's all it is. It has nothing to do with people, it's to do with ratings! For fifty years, we've told them what to eat, what to drink, what to wear... for Christ's sake, Ben, don't you understand? Americans love television. They wean their kids on it. Listen. They love game shows, they love wrestling, they love sports and violence. So what do we do? We give 'em *what they want*! We're number one, Ben, that's all that counts, believe me. I've been in the business for thirty years.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 20:50 | 1360221 trav7777
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Ben:  "Killian, Ahl be back"

Killian:  "only in a rerun..."



Fri, 06/10/2011 - 20:54 | 1360224 Cheesy Bastard
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lol.  +1 ex-sperminator.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:50 | 1360080 poor fella
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Happened to catch "The Trigger Effect" real late the other night. Never heard of this 15 year-old movie.

Under-rated for sure. The skinny? An unexplained blackout and the razor's edge society  rides on.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:22 | 1360396 WonderDawg
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Read the story in The Bachman Books, back in the eighties. I was into Stephen King back then, and loved The Bachman Books, and also, Thinner. I think King wrote some of his best stories as Bachman. The Long Walk was also an intense read.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:06 | 1359951 digalert
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Amerika, home of the fleeced, land of the slave...

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:07 | 1359967 hamlet_jones
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Wanna see our future? Dr. Strangelove on acid.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:12 | 1359974 mynhair
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Funny how 'Dr. Veira' and the author never got back to Wickert v. Filburn.

(317 U.S. 111 1942)

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 12:21 | 1361194 ATM
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Ah yes, perhaps the single biggest SCOTUS trampling of liberty ever.

What would you have liked the doctor to say about it that you cannot already presume he would?

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:19 | 1359997 iNull
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It's already happening. SWAT teams are kicking down doors of people delinquent on their student loans. Debtors prisons are probably not far off--one could argue that is already happening in Minnesota where the Sheriff can arrest you for not making your credit card payment. Forced labor camps for anyone who owes the govt money, at whatever wage the govt chooses, until the debt is repaid (with interest of course) is also not far off. Welcome to U.S.S.A. and all that implies.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:20 | 1360010 mynhair
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The Department of Edication with guns.....remember when the NRA put out the notice on those shotgun purchases....

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:30 | 1360409 CH1
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The Department of Education with guns

Yep, when it comes right down to it, it's about force, i.e., violence. All the rest is for show.

They aim to rule, and they expect you thank them for it.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 15:10 | 1361491 JW n FL
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NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:46 | 1360068 jm
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Personal liberty doesn't work well when you are a squatter, a thief, a cheat, a vulture, or a bum, among other unsavory characters.


Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:23 | 1360278 Variance Doc
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Sure it does, you are unchained from debt and the system.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:52 | 1360335 jm
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unchained from debt and the system, chained to barbarism

non frondi verdi, ma di color fosco;

non rami schietti, ma nodosi e 'nvolti;

non pomi v' eran, ma stecchi con tosco

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:32 | 1360411 serotonindumptruck
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It is the unfortunate nature of man that he is capable of extreme acts of violence against his fellow man. That capability can be applied with extreme discretion or indiscretion. There will always be tyrants amongst us who seek to enslave and subjugate others, and their methods are applied with extreme indiscretion. We are currently being ruled by such tyrants, and their power over us is quickly waning. If they wish to take my freedom from me through threats of violence against my person, then I am prepared to counter their use-of-force with equal use-of-force.

The concepts of freedom and liberty are worth fighting and dying over.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:42 | 1360430 jm
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Some of us, like our forebear Dante, choose voluntary exile rather than accept Florentine thorns.

I agree there are things worth fighting and dying for.  But not this.  Why would anyone fight for the liberty of a bank to defraud, or fight for a deadbeat's liberty to squat?

Let you and your sons fight over this.

I choose green boughs somewhere else.


Fri, 06/10/2011 - 23:36 | 1360501 CompassionateFascist
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Don't choose Canada tho...saying any number of words in public, the "J" word for instance, can get you a $50,000 fine and years in jail. Ditto Europe. Try Russia. Lots of trees, and you can say the "J" word w/o being arrested.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 08:39 | 1360918 jm
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When men act like tailless animals, it is best for them to walk in a leash.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 16:22 | 1361659 akak
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... saying any number of words in public, the "J" word for instance, can get you a $50,000 fine and years in jail.




Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:23 | 1360673 iNull
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I like the cut of your Medicci jiberish. That you Machiavelli?

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 19:30 | 1361953 FeralSerf
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"If they wish to take my freedom from me through threats of violence against my person, then I am prepared to counter their use-of-force with equal use-of-force."

Unless you are nuclear armed, I doubt you're really prepared to use an equal amount of force.  No matter how big your gun is, theirs are bigger (and more numerous).

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 20:38 | 1362057 serotonindumptruck
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Yes, anyone can sit behind the safety of their keyboard and lecture as to how they might respond to a federal SWAT raid.

Ultimately, I believe that it comes down to one's willingness to sacrifice their own life in an attempt to make a political statement. If someone draws an intellectual (or physical) line-in-the-sand and states definitively and with absolute conviction, "this line right here and no further!", then one should exercise extreme caution when confronting that individual.

The line-in-the-sand for me is my home. My home is my castle. If you are unwelcome, I will make it crystal clear to you that you are unwelcome.

Invade my home at your own peril.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 11:14 | 1362966 FeralSerf
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My point is TPTB will happily take your life and property when they believe it's in their interest.  The cops that are actually on the SWAT team are expendable.  Janet Reno didn't get harmed in her raid in Waco.  No peril for her.   She made a crystal clear statement that day concerning how ruthless she and her ilk really are and what happens to the proles (and even their small children too) that resist.

Sun, 06/12/2011 - 19:43 | 1363709 Confuchius
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Never seemed to bother the Afghans, who are turfing your obscene USSA asses out as we blog.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:08 | 1360374 Al Gorerhythm
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Are you referring to the Fed and their current mob of carpet-bagging toads in congress?

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:27 | 1360400 jm
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All of it.  Banksers getting bailouts, hedge fund managers gaming the system, deadbeats, loser idiologues.  Everything this country was built on unravells before our eyes.

Barbarism = "I got mine.  Screw everybody else."


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:17 | 1360666 iNull
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That's sufficient definition of barbarism.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:20 | 1360667 iNull
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What exactly "this" country was built on is left to historians.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 06:24 | 1360845 jm
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It was not built on ideals.  Tell that crap to the slaves and indians.  This nation has always been pragmatic to core:

If you want to be wealthy, you are welcome to come here and have a go at it.  The cards are stacked against you, but you get a better chance here than anywhere else.  If you fail you are free to try again in another spot with no social stigma attached.




Sun, 06/12/2011 - 04:05 | 1362584 Antipodeus
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Unless you've got a student loan, apparently.


Sun, 06/12/2011 - 09:11 | 1362794 jm
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I don't know the specific facts of what you refer, but in general, the default anymore is that this country is now "free-ride nation".  Top to bottom it is a perceived consequence-free environment for being completely irresponsible. 

Guess what?  There are consequences whether we like it or not.  The bottom line is that if people don't have the inner strength to respect themselves and others they obligate themselves to, or the honesty to try and offer some recovery if they default on a counterparty (it happens, no shame in trying to make it right as best you can) then someone ultimately will make them.  

In the past, people didn't even need to be told this.  Now it collects junk on Zero Hedge. 

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:17 | 1359998 Waterfallsparkles
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Hmmm.  CIA, data mining on Facebook.  Court Summons being able to be served on Facebook.  Facial recognition being implemented on Facebook without informing users.

Check out these sites:

If I had a Facebook page I would get rid of it pronto.




Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:26 | 1360023 Stax Edwards
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I like the Onion citation, really drives home your point


Only the nieve ever opened facebook accounts, imo.  It is a free country though, can't help the retaaded

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 20:14 | 1360143 Pure Evil
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I never opened a Facebook account because basically I'm too lazy to keep up on the maintenance. Not because I worried about signing up to be tracked.

But, I don't see much difference with a Facebook account to holding a drivers license, registering a motor vehicle, paying your state and Federal taxes, opening bank accounts, IRA accounts, filling out a W4 form, applying for a loan to buy a car, opening accounts for utilities, getting a mortgage, applying for credit cards, or having your background checked in order to rent an apartment, or even filling out the selective service form.

Ever since you're parents applied for a Social Security number for the you, the government has kept a record of who you are. And with databases the size of which would make your head spin like Linda Blair in the Exorcist, they know more about you than your toilet paper does.

If you think back about all the forms you've had to fill out, then you will realize they have reams of information on you. Maybe they don't know exactly how you pick your nose, where you hide the boogers, or exactly which fingers you use to scratch your ass, but don't doubt it, that ability to track your most personal eccentricities is coming to a database near your home town.

Now tracking you on Facebook is about one step away from requiring all Internet users to use webcams.

That way, the better to spy on you as you masterbate to internet porn. Maybe as the technology advances they can direct you to tranny porn websites as seen by top leadership at the SEC. Any way, they will definitely want you to have a diversity of porn to satisfy each and every lustful deviancy. And, if you ever get out of line they can always post your most disturbing sexual aberrations on YouTube for all to voyeuristically enjoy at your expense.

And, maybe they'll twitter about it afterwords.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:27 | 1360676 Urban Redneck
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human intelligence is extremely expensive

the US doesn't have wealth to pay for human intelligence on a population of 300 million


Sat, 06/11/2011 - 15:15 | 1361500 JW n FL
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thusly you have a high speed wireless network for the poor! hand helds and all info being uploaded to clouds.. the clouds are then scrubbed and information distributed to whatever Nazi Thug Anti 2nd / 4th Amendment Government Tit Sucking Group who is almost certainly on over time when the info hits their in box! LOL!! Government OT Bitchez!!

NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:38 | 1360696 Oh regional Indian
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PureE, The ultimate, wet-dream scenario for the controllers would be a small change in the last line of your excellent "projection":

And, maybe they'll You'll twitter about it afterwords.



Sat, 06/11/2011 - 12:27 | 1361200 ATM
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I love that the old SSI cards used to state right on the fron thtat your number could not be used for identification purposes.

Don't think they say that any longer. Perhaps they do but what does it matter. The lying liars always tell you what you want to hear and do whatever it is they want then invent a new lie if you catch on to the old...

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 19:38 | 1361963 FeralSerf
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Some of the new IRS forms state right on the form that the SSN is used for identification purposes.  I wonder when that bureaucratic change was made and who made it.  Much of the shit we put up with every day has been decided on by some nameless SOB bureacrat.  I wonder whose idea it was to grab your balls at the airport.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 12:47 | 1361230 YHC-FTSE
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30 years ago they said you were nobody until you had an FBI file. 15 years ago, it was said that every American and their pet dog had an FBI file. Now we create our own hypertext linked, detailed, easily referenced personnel files every time we use a gatekeeper site, and considering I was doing this with remote control s/w more than 5 years ago, I have no doubt webcams and keyboard capture programs can be turned on without the user's knowledge if your file is ever flagged. Most people have no idea how easy it is to take control of another pc connected to the net.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:32 | 1360414 Al Gorerhythm
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They have facecrook duplicated and backed-up from inception. It's the playbook from war. Rangers, Seals, SAS etc. There are boots on ground well before the press gets hold of a war story.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:19 | 1360008 Greeny
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"Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not this decade – but when it inevitably does"

Key word is "Maybe", let's keep F* guessing:

Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in this decade, maybe never..

Maybe we going to be dead by then and

who the f* cares anyways.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:21 | 1360012 mynhair
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4 more years!

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:32 | 1360039 Greeny
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Is that so? I heard December 2012 is the the End of

the World, so you better sell you GOLD and buy a Bible

to make sure you in the right place after event happened.

And that's my friend is even better bet, trust me.

And it cost nothing in terms of fiat at least..

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:53 | 1360086 mynhair
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Well then, 1 more year!

Oh, that's all the time you Libs have left anyway.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:24 | 1360011 blueRidgeBoy
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"absence of legal restriction" is the basis of all totalitarianism, not just facism...

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:24 | 1360019 mynhair
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Liberalism is totalitarianism.  Notice how 'ism' is missing from 'freedom'?

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:38 | 1360042 topcallingtroll
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So true.

If freedom be a cold wind, then let it fucking blow.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:40 | 1360056 mynhair
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I am so sick of Libs.  They really are mentally deranged.  Get rid of them all.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:43 | 1360067 Spalding_Smailes
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Sorry ... Tyler already posted ...


Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:19 | 1360394 dark pools of soros
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still cryin at the kiddie table?? no one here cares about the crumbs that repubs and dems fight over

you are the fool that keeps getting suckered again and again by the boardwalk shell game..  at some point you have to blame yourself for being conned

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 00:18 | 1360566 PaddyFields
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Hear, hear. Out with the Libs and in with the simpletons

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 00:19 | 1360568 PaddyFields
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@ mynhair 

Who is your choice for the next president as a matter of interest? I'd be interested to see who the aforementioned simpletons are voting for

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 01:31 | 1360682 iNull
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No it's not => "Freedomism."
There, see.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:26 | 1360017 Waterfallsparkles
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Search and fondle at the airports.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:54 | 1360088 duncecap rack
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There was a story on here recently where a judge ruled "yes the police entered illegally but it's o.k. because they're police" . Land of the free.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 21:48 | 1360332 mynhair
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Indiana.  The favorite of Libs (Daniels) until it was news.  Why do Libs think they can choose our conservative candidate?

Because it always has worked!  F em.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:44 | 1360418 akak
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I see you are still drinking the two-party Koolaid.  How sad for you.

So-called "liberals", so-called "conservatives", left wing, right wing --- both wings are just part of the same carrion-eating vulture feasting on the decaying carcass, and picking clean the bones, of the American middle class.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 23:27 | 1360488 WonderDawg
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Poetic, akak. You're getting better.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:30 | 1360018 Waterfallsparkles
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Sneak and peek by Law Inforcement. Going into your home without notice or even telling you they went in.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:36 | 1360415 CH1
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But...the state is holy and sacred! That's what I was taught! Only insane people think anything different! All my neighbors think so too!

</reactionary sheep mode>

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:32 | 1360032 fonestar
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I for one don't doubt for a minute that TPTB WILL go after your PM's and even lable you a traitor or a terrorist.  People have commented that most people own so few PM's these days that it would be an excercise in futility.  But has this ever stopped them from scapegoating before?  Are narcissist criminal cartels content with owning 93% of the wealth?  These people will go to any length necessary to exert total and utter dominance.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 20:28 | 1360190 Stuck on Zero
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We know how the government treats people who save.  The government calls them "hoarders."  That is a terrible thing obviously and requires taking away whatever they've saved to give to the people.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:33 | 1360040 Waterfallsparkles
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Wire taps, accumulating phone records (without a supeona), accumulating Browsing records (without a supeona), accumulating library records (without a supeona), attaching a GPS to your car (without a supeona), tracking you thru your phone GPS (without a supeona), sneak and peak (without a supeona), fondling you at an airport and searching your bags (without a supeona), etc.

Maybe you can think of all the ones I forgot.  Freedom?  From what?

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 22:35 | 1360423 CH1
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There must be others, but that is a good enough list.

We ARE living in tyranny.

But, so long as Prime Time TV keeps rolling, Joe Average doesn't want to look away.

Sat, 06/11/2011 - 19:49 | 1361982 FeralSerf
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Do you think it would be possible to spell it "subpoena" instead (although legally it's more often referred to as a warrant)?


Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:39 | 1360048 Let them all fail
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They SHOULD berate you for talking about gloomy topics, How dare you question the USA!!! We are the best nation ever, everyone else sucks and we rule, everyone else is evil terrorists and we are peaceful, well-intentioned beings of higher intelligence and morals, how dare you!!!!

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:44 | 1360064 mynhair
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The USA is the best!  Unfortunately, it is infested by a bunch of Lib cochroaches that the pest guy can't handle because the EPA BANNED the substance that would work.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:47 | 1360081 Let them all fail
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I assume you know I was being sarcastic...and is a difference between liberal and retarded despite your assumption.  I am liberal yet I realize that we can't spend what we don't have and need to cut back.  Those who don't realize this (or fail to act on their belief of this) are retarded, not liberal (well they may also be liberal but are obviously retarded first and liberal second).

And that is what the EPA is for, banning poisons that end up in our water systems...not that they do a great job but at least that is the idea...hey, who cares if we destroy our environment as long as we make money of it, right? Anyways, fuck our kids, grass, trees, clean air, breathing, lack of smog, health, natural beauty and natural habitats are overrated, right? They don't need them.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 19:56 | 1360097 mynhair
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Yes, the /sarc was dripping.  Just wanted to chime in.

The EPA is the demon, though.  I WANT MY TRIPLE STRIKE BACK!

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