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Guest Post: Security In A Free Society

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The next in a continuing series (most recently: The Governance of a Free Society).
Submitted by Free Radical

Security in a Free Society

The Real choice isn’t between liberty and security;
it is between our security and the state’s.
– Llewellyn Rockwell, The Real Meaning of Security

While the state pretends to protect its people from external threats, it is in fact the perpetrator thereof, the more so the larger the state is. Which is to say, the state does not provide security. Rather, it creates the need for security on a scale that would not otherwise exist, assuring that the more it spends, the more liberties must be sacrificed on the altar of “national defense.”  Why else would the American people, for example, find themselves in something approaching lockdown status, despite the fact that their government constitutes nearly half of all military spending worldwide?

The answer, of course, is that the finally “successful” attack on the World Trade Center was simply blowback – i.e., the all but inevitable response of those victimized by the U.S. Government’s decades-long military intervention in the Middle East. And not surprisingly, as a consequence of this “unprovoked” attack, the U.S. Government has vastly expanded its intelligence apparatus, seeking nothing less than Total Information Awareness (since renamed, following an “adverse media reaction to the program’s implications for public surveillance”), while making “preemptive” war a key component of its foreign policy, the rationale for which was laid out in the former administration’s National Security Strategy of the United States of America, which remains in full effect under the present administration.
Yet such is the twisted logic of the state that the solution to the endless warring between and among them is to have but one state:

Thomas Hobbes, and countless political philosophers and economists after him, argued that in the state of nature, men would constantly be at each others’ throats. Homo homini lupus est [Man is a wolf to man]. Put in modern jargon, in the state of nature a permanent “underproduction” of security would prevail. Each individual, left to his own devices and provisions, would spend “too little” on his own defense, resulting in permanent interpersonal warfare. The solution to this presumably intolerable situation, according to Hobbes and his followers, is the establishment of a state. …

… Once it is assumed that in order to institute peaceful cooperation between [individual] A and [individual] B it is necessary to have a state S, a twofold conclusion follows. If more than one state exists, S1, S2, S3, then, just as there can be presumably no peace among A and B with S, so can there be no peace between S1, S2, and S3 as long as they remain in a state of nature (anarchy) with regard to each other.  Consequently, in order to achieve universal peace, political centralization, unification, and ultimately the establishment of a single world government, are necessary. i

While a single world government has long been and is now the fervent hope of both neoliberals (socialists) and neoconservatives (fascists), it should be clear to all who have followed this continuing series that a world government – a world state – would be the worst possible eventuality for humanity. True, it would theoretically bring an end to the state of nature that exists among the world’s nearly 200 constituent states and thus put an end to war between them. But given the nature of the state, this would, in practical terms, amount to a Final Solution for human freedom and thus for humanity itself. For in the bureaucratization of all human affairs, a world state would complete the process of political parasitism that has ever and always sucked the life out of the human enterprise.

So rather than succumb to the belief, however deeply entrenched, that the state provides security for anyone other than itself, let us confront the fact that what the state provides is a one-sided affair that is entirely at odds with its people’s security. After all, “no one in his right mind would agree to a contract that allowed one’s alleged protector to determine unilaterally – without one’s consent – and irrevocably – without the possibility of exit – how much to charge for protection.” ii Yet as this is precisely what the state imposes on its subjects, it should come as no surprise that the cost of security, as noted above, increases in inverse proportion to the security actually provided.

And while it is certainly true that without a state, “stronger agents will be tempted to use force against the weak and impose government on them,”iii  it is also true that such agents will be tempted to do so with a state.  They always have, and, as long as long as material scarcity is a fact of human existence, they always will.  There will always be those, that is, who, whenever possible, will choose the political means – theft – over the economic means – work – so why encourage them with the provision of a territorial monopoly on the use of force and thus the institutionalization of the political means?  Why capitulate in advance to the “stronger agents,” in other words, when it is not at all a given that (1) one or another of these agents will succeed in imposing a government on “the weak” or (2) that “the weak” will stand for it if they do?  Once a given society is empowered, say, with genuinely contractual protections of life, liberty, and property, who can say with any assurance that “stronger agents” will prevail against its members?  What about such a society’s own strength?

For again, with the whole world watching, predatory groups will have to stand trial in the court of public opinion. And being found guilty – i.e., being openly devoid of any moral authority for their actions – they will find it very difficult, if not impossible, to impose their will on others, at least for long. Thus, as the devolutionary process challenged the moral authority of smaller and smaller states, constrained in direct proportion to their increasing “feebleness,” society will turn elsewhere for security.

Where?  To its only alternative, the market. How?  Mostly likely via the insurance industry. For “even now insurance agencies protect private property owners upon payment of a premium against a multitude of natural and social disasters, from floods and hurricanes to theft and fraud.” iv All are forms of security, after all, so why should “defense” be any different, especially since insurance companies are very large, far-flung affairs that are

… in command of the resources – physical and human – necessary to accomplish the task of dealing with the dangers, actual or imagined, of the real world. Indeed, insurers operate on a national or even international scale, and they own substantial property holdings dispersed over wide territories and beyond the borders of single states and thus have a manifest self-interest in effective protection. Furthermore, all insurance companies are connected through a complex network of contractual agreements on mutual assistance and arbitration as well as a system of international reinsurance agencies representing a combined economic power that dwarfs most if not all contemporary governments, and they have acquired this position because of their reputation as effective, reliable, and honest businesses. v

And again, with the collapse of the “monster” vi states, the monstrous threat that they present to the world will decline proportionately, reducing security insurance to something more in line with the mundane tasks to which everyone is already accustomed, the reason being that “defense” insurance will have the same market-based advantages of other insurance:

First off, competition among insurers for paying clients will bring about a tendency toward a continuous fall in the price of protection (per insured value), thus rendering protection more affordable. Second, insurers will have to indemnify their clients in the case of actual damage; hence they must operate efficiently… Third, and most importantly, because the relationship between insurers and their clients is voluntary, insurers must accept private property as an ultimate “given” and private property rights as immutable law. … Moreover, out of the steady cooperation between different insurers in mutual interagency arbitration proceedings, a tendency toward the unification of the law – of a truly universal or “international” law – will emerge. vii

Security, then, will ultimately be a purely individual affair, no matter if “group” insurance is the manner in which it is provided. Either way, the decision will be individual, and the benefit will be individual, with no state dictating the price of that benefit while failing to provide it. 

In the meantime, the reduced threat to the American states from the collapse of their central government will allow them to make a generally peaceful transition to independence. After all, the violence that is being directed at America today, even though it often targets civilians, has but one objective and that is to topple the American government. That is to say, what al-Qaida and others want to happen to the United States is the same thing that Americans wanted to happen to the former Soviet Union. And it is as ludicrous to think that al-Qaida would attack America after its central government had collapsed as it would have been to think that the U.S. would have attacked the Soviet Union after its government had collapsed. 

Thus are we left to contemplate what is really afoot as the interregnum of the state finally draws to a close, which we address in my next submission: “The End of History.”



i Ibid., Hoppe, pp. 239 and 241.
ii Ibid., Hoppe, pp. 279 and 280.
iii Ibid., Stringham, p. 373.
iv Ibid., p. 281.
v Ibid., p. 281.
vi Donald W. Livingston, “Dismantling Leviathan,” Harper’s magazine, May, 2002, p. 14.
vi Ibid., pp. 281, 282, and 283.



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Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:11 | 1209802 Atomizer
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2011 record breaking rain within the US regions. Government will spin as it did during the harsh winter weather conditions. Late planting will effect corn for fuel based hybrids.

Let me Google that for you..

It's not nice to fool Mother Nature.

It won't be long until the spinmeisters find a pasty. This time, a group of villains are collectively working in concert. Let's see the names we can cross off.. Bin Laden, Taliban, Saddam Hussein, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, Nigerian delta rebels, Somali pirates, and the list of make believe characters goes on.

The next highly organised group calls themselves BRIC(Brazil, Russia, India And China). This unbridled group plans to disengage from the US dollar as a world reserve currency. So how will this be spun as the next scary straw-man and your liberation mission?

My question for Bernank, how is it that your still walking around & not in prison. Your side kick Timmay will also be implicated.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:26 | 1209849 tempo
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Politically its a losing position to want to cut spending when nearly everyone is receiving Government benefits and deficits is so large. Its easy for the Dems to propose raising taxes on the rich since it will never happern. So the insanity will continue. I am sure the super rich already have their armed compounds built in another country that is holding their billions in gold. They will return after hundred million people have died so they rebuild their homeland.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:55 | 1209916 mynhair
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Quit cashing your Goobermint checks, and go off grid, asshat.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:35 | 1210017 johnnynaps
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Screw that! My unenjoyment is how I level this intolerable playing field along with starving this unConstitutional Beast.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:20 | 1210278 WaterWings
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Here's a new way to enjoy the weather.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 02:04 | 1210333 Yen Cross
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Excellent advise!

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:33 | 1210143 Hugh G Rection
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9-11. was not blowback. I assume the majority of the ZH community would agree with me that it was a false flag, staged event. The same global elites that have been fleecing the citizens of this country since 1913 decided we needed a Pearl Harbor type event to justify preemptive invasions into sovereign countries. The Taliban wouldn't let them build a pipeline, so they knock some buildings down kill a few thousand and blame the brown boogie man. They now capitalize on the fear they create to rob what's left of our liberty.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:07 | 1210195 topcallingtroll
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Never assume conspiracy when simple incompetency would also suffice.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:26 | 1210219 RockyRacoon
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So, you're opting for the Occam's Razor scenario?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:37 | 1210298 Arkadaba
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I am. Some wanted to put in a pipeline and they weren't that afraid of saying so - some resistance - invasion. 

Edit: Not sure if 9-11 was staged or not but there should be a real investigation.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 04:18 | 1210402 SME MOFO
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but i love the nightlife, i got to boogie

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 05:27 | 1210494 Shylockracy
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Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:43 | 1210241 FeralSerf
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Never assume simple incompetency when there are other very real (and more likely) possibilities.

There is a conspiracy to discredit independent investigations as "conspiracy theory." The official story is a conspiracy theory (19 guys directed by a dialysis patient in a cave in Afghanistan outwitted the largest military/intelligence network in history)

Why does the ADL spend so much of its resources discrediting independent 9-11 investigations?  Do they think that there exists something that may reflect poorly on the Zionist community?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:05 | 1210265 topcallingtroll
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It is pretty clear israeli intelligence knew about it beforehand. That alone is enough for me to say its time we quit being their bitch.

Anything else is less well evidenced.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 02:21 | 1210344 Moe Howard
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That's a statement I can get behind.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 02:32 | 1210351 Clay Hill
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Two points for correct analysis of "Dancing with Israelis" video.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 04:25 | 1210404 downwiththebanks
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The laws of physics are not "less well evidenced".  Millions of tons of steel and concrete do not spontaneously pulverize themselves due to gravity, or something that happened a few hundred feet away, or fires - even really hot ones caused to kerosene.

The only basis for believing the government's alCIAda fairy tale is trust in the John Ashcroft.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 05:14 | 1210442 Clay Hill
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Agreed, but it's a hard sell right now.

Let's be sure it gets included in the kiddies homework after that whole GFC / CivWar thingy.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:21 | 1210209 rocker
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9-11 was turned into a scam to establish a war for profits to those who knew what we would do, IE: Halliburton and Blackwater etc.  Not to mention the whole Homeland Security Bullshit. Why do we have the CIA and FBI. Hello Stupid America.  And we were fighting for our freedom. No, we lost freedoms and more lives than taken on 9-11 . All of which Bambi had to put on the deficit as it was never on the books. Capital One Card compliments of the FED and China.  The elite Wall Street Banksters always said, "Thank You for your service".  What they meant is, Sorry, but we are getting rich and will not pay for any of it. Don't even think your going to tax us either. You earned it, we take it. 

Benjamin Franklin ...."Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither".   Amen.

                                                        We Are Japan Now.   

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 02:11 | 1210338 Whats that smell
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I remember Veitnam, the war profiteers were talked about then, during the run up to Iraq no one said shit. Wilson was about the only one to speak out. I am not so smart but knew it was a scam from the git-go.

Excellent read here:

(do not read if you like GWBush)

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 06:43 | 1210597 SilverDOG
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Many said much before Iraq invasion.

Main stream media was silent.

Thus, so were the masses; of sheeple.

A continuation of silence by both parties listed above, until the awakening.


Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:32 | 1210229 FeralSerf
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I'll agree that 9-11 was a false flag inside job, but 1913 wasn't the beginning.  It was an important event on the timeline.  Remember the Maine?  Manifest destiny?  A house divided cannot stand?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:36 | 1210233 Bringin It
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Thank you Hugh G for your accurate summation.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:22 | 1210279 Michael
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9/11 was a public private partnership between the CIA/Mossad and a mercenary Muslim gang they named Al-Qaeda(The Base in English). Al-Qaeda is just a subsidiary of the CIA/Mossad. Government assistance to the patsy Muslims was extensive.

I just thank God 3/4 of all US Federal security personnel will be laid off as the complete and total economic collapse of the USA gets underway.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:45 | 1210314 Malachi Constant
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3/4 of all US Federal security personnel will be laid off

Sounds like something to look forward to, but there is always the other side. The Gub might be doing the value-producing folks a huge favor by keeping these pervert thugs employed.

Consider what all those thousands of prisoner-humiliating, peasant-torturing, kid-groping insecure sadists can do to a decent neighbourhood, when their paycheck is suddenly gone and they are kicked back into the street. Do they know how to change their mindset? Do they want to? The Kapp Putsch buildup is a relevant, IMO:

Germany was required to reduce its armed forces to a maximum of 100,000. [...] In March 1920 orders were issued for the disbandment of the Marinebrigade Ehrhardt. Its leaders were determined to resist dissolution (from Wikipedia)

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 06:30 | 1210582 onthesquare
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they could be turned into contractors. Bounty hunters roaming the country looking for and catching brown boogie men. Turning them over to the security spooks and collecting the bounty.

Don't forget building #7 and its contents all disappeared thanks to the smoke of 9/11.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:06 | 1210735 snowball777
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Cool. Because they want to stay at your house for awhile.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:13 | 1209809 Atomizer
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Lastly, Obama pledges that the US will be a major consumer of Brazilian oil.

Connect the dots.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:02 | 1209942 I am Jobe
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Obama: Let’s fund clean energy by stripping giveaways to oil companies


Hope and Change. You keep the change and I will keep my Gatlin

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:37 | 1210020 johnnynaps
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Good. Now we can lower Brazil's unemployment rate from 6.2% to 3.4%!

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:08 | 1210739 snowball777
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Wanted: Oil Rigger

Must be able to breathe underwater.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:14 | 1209814 mynhair
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What part of that pie represents Thousands Standing Around?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:23 | 1209838 Id fight Gandhi
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When Americans start revolting here like they are in mena will the military fire on them and crush them?

Most people have no voice in the kleptocracy.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:25 | 1209843 mynhair
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Yes, they will.  They will be sent in from different States.  Got RPGs?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:56 | 1209919 topcallingtroll
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Easy to make myhair.

Five thousand dollars of machine tools is all you need.
Those damn pakistanis produce ak47's in backyard blacksmith shops. Start downloading all the designs and plans while you can.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:18 | 1209972 mynhair
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Top, choir.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:43 | 1210035 JW n FL
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I would tell people to buy a machined reciever and forgo the stamped crap.. as it will force the price a little higher.. but anyone who has the know how to put together a parts kit already knows that..


What people need are cheap, accurate and reliable weapons.. and then they need to meet in groups..


That way the predator can take out as many at one time as possible.. video? --------------------------->


which leads us to flir defeating!

"The hardest target to detect is someone wearing black felt or wool covering with a zero energy signature loss. By energy signature I mean that no part of their body covering is warmer than the outside ambient temperature. Sensors are designed to work with heat differential & movement over a given distance.
On "Mythbusters" they showed the girl going threw a infrared sensor with a sheet held in front of her. She didn't trip the sensor."


The largest threat, "is the one that you can not see". You can have every fucking long gun made but if you are not prepared to meet the threat that is coming, you will sufffer a short learning curve. I am sure that the Bought and Paid for Duly Elected Lobby Whores are well aware of the fact that people are not ready here for what they are willing to Order the Millitary (who serves those Duly Elected Lobby Whores) to throw at "We the People".


Until the Masses get a fucking clue.. nothing will change.. start sharing the truth with people.. source and site it.. provide a link, so that people can make up thier own mind.. and the more aggravated you are the more crazy you sound..


Just food for thought for those that do want to effect some real and lasting change.


Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:35 | 1210145 mynhair
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Word.  You must be in Naples.  Always behind the times.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:39 | 1210238 JW n FL
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Military Helicopter Exercise startles Miami residents (YouTube Video) BlackHawks flying downtown Miami at Night.


Michigan, Police have been downloading info from cell phones during stops since 2006!



U.S. Army Pys Ops Verse U.S. Congressmen & Senators,2817,2381845,00.asp Court Orders Twitter to Hand Over User Info in WikiLeaks Case



FOIA Litigation for Accountable Government "Unfortunately, the PATRIOT Act did not include sufficient checks to protect innocent Americans” Senator R. Durbin (IL)



Rigged Market Capitalism & Propaganda within the U.S. by the U.S. PLUS! PLUS!!  Do you Blog? Do you Chat? YOU! are a Home Grown Terrorist(s) Per Home Land Security! See Link(s) and Official Report(s). Senator Al Franken asks Apple why the IPhone Tracks its Users EVERY MOVE! Even while the Phone is OFF!


POLICE FATALLY SHOOT UNARMED MAN - Laying Face Down and Shot in The Back



the Police are Nazi's everywhere.. A nice Lady shot in the back and face, with rubber bullets.


Police (6 - 8 officers) Kick Child in the Face after trying to run him over with a car.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:53 | 1210321 Malachi Constant
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William Grigg runs an excellent registry of power abuse incidents -

Also, there is an informative map of botched paramilitary raids at Cato -

Both resources beyond unbelievable.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:41 | 1210239 Bringin It
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different States - like El Salvador?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:14 | 1209817 espirit
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We're not quite done in Libya freeing those repressed rebels, and Syrian freedom fighters will soon need similar help from the U.N.  That's going to take alot of BennieBux.

sarc on/off - I forget which.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:28 | 1209996 downwiththebanks
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By 'rebels', you mean the alCIAda who Uncle Sam has chosen to ally with in order to prevent China oil, right?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:17 | 1209819 topcallingtroll
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Benjamin Franklin envisioned us as a nation providing trade and intercourse with all. He was all over that intercourse shit every time he had a chance.

GW warned us about entangling alliances and we are now in lockdown all for a tiny country in the middle east.

I dont see a lot of terrorists going after a neutral country such as Switzerland.

Now why are we trying to be the world's policeman again?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:28 | 1209854 espirit
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Agreed, and why aren't we building Majik Market gas stations, 7-11's, and banks on every other corner if we own it?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:24 | 1209991 downwiththebanks
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The 'terrorists' going 'after' Uncle Sam are make-believe.  The real terrorists are the ones who plan the Black Ops in order to launch wars that serve Big Capital.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:17 | 1209821 mynhair
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Free Libya!

Sign title over to Iran.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:19 | 1209826 mynhair
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Why has our Clueless Leader never forgotten a proclamation, in Arabic or whatever, for any Mooslim holiday?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:42 | 1209889 topcallingtroll
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It is true.

He forgot easter but made proclamations for four muslim holidays.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:45 | 1209893 Creed
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well duh, cause he's a mooslim


he lies when he says he's a Christian, and he never actually heard what Rev. Wright was SAYING


give the man a break will ya?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:10 | 1210743 snowball777
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well duh, cause you're a Christian


you lie when you say you're a Christian, and you never actually heard what Jesus was SAYING


give the man a break will ya?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:20 | 1209827 Jendrzejczyk
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The NSA is getting its ass handed to it by the  "amateurs".   We (taxpayers) are paying a shitload of money to NSA contractors for "security" and they are buffoons.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:32 | 1209856 Bartanist
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They have guaranteed pay for the entirety of their life, get paid above the norm and it makes no difference whether they are effective or just look at porn all day.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:42 | 1209885 Jendrzejczyk
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They are so far lost in the weeds it makes no difference what they do at their desks all day.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:46 | 1210245 Bringin It
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Jendrze... I can assure you they are not lost in the weeds.  It does make a difference what they do at their desks all day.  I think you assume they are tasked with protecting you somehow.  Try a different set of assumptions about what they are up to.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 06:42 | 1210599 Jendrzejczyk
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You raise an interesting point; Hadn't ever thought they might be there to protect us.

Maybe they just send the flunkies after me, my sweeping generalization was wrong as usual.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:38 | 1209878 topcallingtroll
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Embarrassing isnt it?

However it makes me more optimistic about our chances of hanging* the oligarchs.

After all, if Abdullah Rag-head can tie up the world's best military with about 10,000 full time combatants and $100 homemade ak47's what could three percent of our population do if sufficiently determined?

*after due process by a citizen's tribunal of course.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:56 | 1209923 Jendrzejczyk
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Embarrassing indeed, but I in no way, shape or form endorse the actual hanging of our esteemed security personnel. ;}

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:14 | 1209959 topcallingtroll
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But would it be ok to hang some bankers as long as we promise not to go hogwild?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:23 | 1209985 Jendrzejczyk
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Absolutely                                                                                                not.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:08 | 1210745 snowball777
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So we can write in your vote for giant bug-zapper then?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:35 | 1210150 mynhair
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You calling ZH "amateurs"?  Die, Dick, or whatever that would be in some obscure ex-Russian country.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:21 | 1209833 mynhair
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Why is EURUSD skying?

Inquiring minds 'n all....

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:12 | 1209954 cranky-old-geezer
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See DXY for the answer.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:09 | 1210750 snowball777
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Chinese Sugar Daddy.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:25 | 1209842 buzzsaw99
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Grope me at the airport bitchez!

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:43 | 1210310 Arkadaba
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No thanks

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:26 | 1209844 cranky-old-geezer
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Entire article is complete nonsense.  (Sorta like GW's articles.)

ALL the steadily growing police state stuff is to prevent Americans from revolting as the federal govt spends the dollar down to worthlessness and Bernokio prints the dollar down to worthlessness.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:29 | 1209855 mynhair
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How DARE you disparage that moron GW!

Occasionally, he has a point.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:42 | 1209881 bugs_
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and a lot of the expenditures for security are to keep from having to profile.  profiling (which was defined as bad by the left, just as war was defined as bad by the left) is far cheaper than x-raying grandmas.  since the left has now embraced war with sloppy wet kisses it is obviously just a matter of time until they likewise embrace profiling since it will allow them to shift funds toward other sacred cows.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:15 | 1209955 Careless Whisper
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@ cranky

yup. this is a very very sophisticated psyop article designed against states right, and individual freedom.

The answer, of course, is that the finally “successful” attack on the World Trade Center was simply blowback – i.e., the all but inevitable response of those victimized by the U.S. Government’s decades-long military intervention in the Middle East.

some people think we need a real investigation as to what really happened.

While a single world government has long been and is now the fervent hope of both neoliberals (socialists) and neoconservatives (fascists),...

no, just the elitists want a one world government.

True, it would theoretically bring an end to the state of nature that exists among the world’s nearly 200 constituent states and thus put an end to war between them.

oh i get it, one world government will finally end all wars. so we can save all that money. quite a sales pitch. small problem though, we won't the u.s. constitution because it will be gone in the process. the one world government will put everyone in slavery.

For again, with the whole world watching, predatory groups will have to stand trial in the court of public opinion.

no. public opinion won't be allowed. welcome to shanghai on a larger scale.

And it is as ludicrous to think that al-Qaida would attack America after its central government had collapsed...

oh another reason for a strong central government.


Wed, 04/27/2011 - 02:17 | 1210343 Hephasteus
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It's all staged and mentioned.

When they tried to blow out the support tower a rental van during the trial they brought in all these experts. One of the experts said that the structure was just too massive and strong to be bombed without being weakened by heat. It would take something like a 747 fully loaded with fuel to bring it down. That's not true though. But it put it in peoples minds that it was how it could be done.

Under the guise of incompetence it was said that telling them how to do it in the courtroom was responsible for it's successfull execution.

But of course it was brought down with hundreds of pounds of thermite. You could see the iron powder and aluminum powder just streaming out of the crash points as big long cherry red with aluminums and magnesium white light glow.

That's why the movie industry is set up. It lays out a story and 'trains' us to follow logical predictable actions. This is all done by directorship. So that when stage logical predicatable "event' movies we simply watch the movie and let it be a story...

You remember the big blow up of the general mouthin off about obama to rolling stone magazine?

Well all part of a story. More to come. There should be some sort of deep division skew going on with the military before long. Probably happen within a couple boxes of juju fruits.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:15 | 1209961 Careless Whisper
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double post. make donations they need another server.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:23 | 1209978 mynhair
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So do I, prefer redheads with big tits.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:21 | 1210117 cranky-old-geezer
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Kicking GW and Leo K off the site would save some bandwidth ...and improve the quality of ZH ...a lot.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 11:05 | 1210246 GoinFawr
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Or you could just not bother visiting: same effect for everyone involved...

The way I see it, you gotta expect some bad with the good when it comes to Blind Pigs, no?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:20 | 1210210 chumbawamba
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Good old bugs_, always jumping in to represent the horny warfags.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:57 | 1210250 GoinFawr
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@ bugs. Congratz, you just raised the bar in the contest for ZH's 'Most Inane Comment Ever'.

Trav777777777 called; I think he wants to take you, Babbitt, and Miss Lily White bowling.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:48 | 1210317 Arkadaba
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Old Mr cranky,

I disagree. I've been reading GW for a few years and he is usually ahead of the pack. I think he is worth listening to.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:12 | 1210761 snowball777
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ALL the steadily growing police state stuff...

...benefits the people who sell the noisy toys and the fat pensions of the aforementioned polizai.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:28 | 1209848 penisouraus erecti
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Free Society? What country is it you are speaking of? I know the US has the illusion of freedom, but can a nation that is willing to turn over all it's liberties, and responsibilities,  to the state truly be free?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:27 | 1209852 Bartanist
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One has to wonder:

a) if the assumption is true. I personally believe that man's inability to live peacefully with his fellow man is a flaw found in a minority of the people who tend to amplify their effect through violence.

b) assuming that the assumption is true, then is man's inability to peacefully coexist with his fellow man a design flaw or the very nature of man's design.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:30 | 1209857 espirit
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Dude, American Idol's on so I'll have to get back to you on that one.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:31 | 1209859 CH1
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Yes, Hobbes was full of it. Most people behave pretty well most of the time.

Hobbes justified the state -- that was the point.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:37 | 1209869 mynhair
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If you dicks ever get your minds off Hobbs or Amerikan Idol, and start thinking for yourselves, let me know.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:31 | 1210144 CH1
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You talkin to me?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:40 | 1210154 mynhair
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You brought him up, so ya.  Have an original thought in that vast void of darkness?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:24 | 1209980 downwiththebanks
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Hobbes justified monarchy.  That's why he's was a paid lackey for the British monarch during the English Civil War (if I'm not mistaken, he had to get the hell out of dodge when the shit hit the fan).

Locke was the real advocate of the Capitalist state concerned only about protecting property.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:23 | 1210123 cranky-old-geezer
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a) Some people are predators.

b) Some people like being ruled.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:53 | 1210320 Arkadaba
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Guessing you didn't do to well with ruling - lol

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:33 | 1209858 NOTW777
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why this garbage? why?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:35 | 1209864 mynhair
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why not?  Is it not puke provoking?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:34 | 1209861 mynhair
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Man can only live peacefully with other peaceful men.  Name a raghead that is peaceful.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:34 | 1209868 buzzsaw99
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How dare you disparage muzzies while there are so many joo banksters around?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:37 | 1209874 mynhair
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True, Buzz.  I have a short attention span.  Kinda want to kill 'em all, but that brings the black heliocopters and Escalades back again.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:50 | 1209905 buzzsaw99
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Kinda want to kill 'em all...

It isn't worth getting your hands dirty imo.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:51 | 1209907 mynhair
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Maybe soon it will be.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:56 | 1209922 buzzsaw99
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I doubt it. The fedres clownbux are the province of the joo banksters. When that scam winds down I will adjust to the next scam.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:39 | 1209872 espirit
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When it's a 115 degrees in the shade, you'd be pissed off also.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:39 | 1209882 mynhair
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Try FL, dip.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:22 | 1209975 downwiththebanks
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The 'ragheads' about whom you speak are alCIAda.

False Flag Terrorism works best when racist armchair generals (yourself) endorse any stupid war launched for any fake reason.

I'm sure you were talking about 'gooks' after Tonkin, too.  And it's the same government organized bullshit so that Big Capitalists can make bank killing people who aren't White, since they're expendable.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:29 | 1209992 mynhair
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To be a racist, one needs to hate people selectively.

Oh, guess I fit.  I hate Libs like your sorry asshat.

(Not to be confused with The Great One's Pastor on Easter.)

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:38 | 1210030 downwiththebanks
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You can define 'racism' however you want.  The bottom line is you support White genocide of the Arab world on the basis of a stupid fucking fairy tale that only a racist moron could believe.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:43 | 1210158 mynhair
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So?  What's yer point?  What have ragheads done lately, other than kill each other?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:27 | 1210287 FeralSerf
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Oil for FRNs?

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:15 | 1210769 snowball777
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What has the US done lately, that didn't involve killing someone?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:39 | 1210152 CH1
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Yes, some "rag heads" are decent, peaceful human beings. When you start with "they're all..." YOU become the problem.

No group is all bad. Get over it. The other is not always evil.


Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:51 | 1210173 mynhair
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So, NY Joos like schumer are good? Wasserman-Schultz?

Certain groups are tainted.


Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:36 | 1209871 theopco
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I can't wait to get security "protection" from AIG. I can't wait to see Aetna tanks getting bombarded by The Hartford artillary to settle a claim.

This is the most laughably retarded "solution" I've ever seen in my life. Concentration of  power is the problem, hardly then the solution.

Men don't fight wars because they "like it". We fight wars for access to resources. Always has been that way, and is now.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:38 | 1209877 espirit
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Hey, B of A has their own military protection unit here in FL.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:42 | 1209887 mynhair
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Must be related to the Castle Law here.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:46 | 1209901 Creed
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B of A needs military protection

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:52 | 1209908 nevadan
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Men fight wars because their leaders con them into it.

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”


 Hermann Goering quotes

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:56 | 1209925 theopco
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Can't argue with that.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:19 | 1209974 AldousHuxley
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Leaders never do the dirty work themselves. Even in mafia. But I'm glad there is someone dumb enough to send their children to the front lines for a worthless medal and "patriotism", while I risk nothing but gain everything.


killing is murder unless you kill an enemy in battle. Then you are a hero. Catch is someone else defines who the enemy is.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 08:23 | 1210788 snowball777
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You're right about the resources...corporations (and other empires) expand until they need resources from abroad to continue growing and then further until they're spread so thin that the cost of maintaining and defending said resources bankrupts the empire like a junkie hitting bottom for lack of money to score.

But there's also something to the "like it" theory in that we tend to use this violence to deflect attention from issues at home because jamming the Jingo button is an easy way to get the livestock to fall in line. We sure spend a great deal of time aggrandizing something we supposedly don't "like".


Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:47 | 1209895 mynhair
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Why do people that wear their asses as hats always jump on Israel?

How would you feel if Tijuana lobbed missiles daily at you?

Not like these assclowns in DC don't.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:54 | 1209913 buzzsaw99
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The twelve tribes of the federal reserve are worse than Israel imo. Especially the frb of joo york shitty.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:56 | 1209924 AldousHuxley
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Israel is result of British Empire's strategy to divide and conquer the oil rich ($hell, BP) estate of middle east.

Americans get to sell weapons for middle east to destroy each other and call that "foreig aid".

Instability makes populace willfully give up control to military dictators who can be then easily controlled by US/UK using military arms support.


Smart thing for Israel would be to unite with Iran and Saudi Arabia against US, EU and Chindia. But they have too big of an ego for their religion.







Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:59 | 1209932 topcallingtroll
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How would you feel in a crowded palestine when a half million europeans poured in claiming they owned the place because of some two thousand year old scrolls?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:31 | 1210011 mynhair
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Huh?  A bunch of goat herders were denied their rights to be goat herders?

Dude, it's a fukking desert, need I bring up dead guy?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:58 | 1210184 topcallingtroll
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Uh...yeah......they were moved off the land that many had lived on for centuries and put in reservations. There is a huge diaspora after many fled violence of the 1947 partition. I think taking goatherders off their land because you have a better use for it is a big deal.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:33 | 1210302 FeralSerf
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In the west, it's called "eminent domain".  It used to be called "manifest destiny".  The Dept of Euphemisms is burning the midnight oil working on another more politically correct moniker.  That's why we're called the "good guys".

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:18 | 1209968 downwiththebanks
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Why do you support Apartheid?

Ethnic Cleansing?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:33 | 1210015 mynhair
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Worked so well getting rid of it in SA.  Let those illegals in.


Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:47 | 1210043 downwiththebanks
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Are "those illegals" the White Europeans squatting in Palestine - bulldozing homes, ripping up olive trees, and massacring children - because the UN told them to go there and steal Arab land?

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:05 | 1209911 Dejean Splicer
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Do you want the truth about 'our society'.

You may not be able to handle it. Take it for what it's worth, this time will be different.

His conclusions are optimistic:

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:59 | 1209917 Mercury
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Diamond Age bitches!

Post nation-state, nano-tech enabled, tribal/cultural enclaves.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:42 | 1210157 CH1
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Yes. Voluntaryism is the only moral way for humans to organize themselves.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 21:54 | 1209921 alien-IQ
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"There is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.” – John F. Kennedy

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:03 | 1209938 Mercury
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Egads! it was a warning to future generations about the dangers of the enviro-multicultural complex!

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:04 | 1209944 mynhair
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More spew from dead people.  If living people are as clueless as they appear, it is already 'Game over, Man'!

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:01 | 1210087 alien-IQ
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And what do you read you fucking retard? the words of those who are not yet born?

No..let me are purely original thought and are not influenced or guided by any superfluous nonsense such as history right?

Good grief really do come across like a clueless infant running around crying for attention by screaming as the adults speak. Why don't you just stick a lollipop up your ass, turn on some porn and masturbate yourself to sleep? You'd be doing the world a favor.

You are annoying.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:52 | 1210176 mynhair
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Excuse me for thinking, pissant.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 00:02 | 1210191 alien-IQ
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No...the problem is that you obviously do not think before you speak or write. you just spew bullshit to attract attention to yourself by being the most annoying example of a clueless homan being possible.

While you may confuse your mindless pontifications as "thoughts" assured that most of us do not.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:11 | 1209951 penisouraus erecti
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Talk like that could get a guy shot..........

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:10 | 1209952 nmewn
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Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:34 | 1210149 cranky-old-geezer
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No worries JFK, if the (founding) traditions don't survive, the nation won't survive.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:00 | 1209930 mynhair
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I luv my junker fan club!  Keep it up!

Though you morons probably did not sell EURUSD at 1.4712, but you are morons, after all.

(Fingers crossed)

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:11 | 1209945 mynhair
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Drop, EURUSD, you whore!

Oh, 1.46666, so tempted to close.

Did, it was a sign.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:58 | 1210328 Arkadaba
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Nothing personal but I hate cats. Love dogs but cats - yucchy.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:13 | 1209953 Pepe
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A problem cannot be solved in the same state of consciousness that created it in the first place. So looks like doomsday to me. Good luck you all.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:24 | 1209982 topcallingtroll
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Party on then

Night all

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:17 | 1209962 downwiththebanks
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The author doesn't understand the purpose of the modern state.

Since the modern state was called into existence to coordinate the rule of society by Capital, it has protected the "minority of the opulent" - the words of James Madison - from the masses of people exploited and abused by Capital.

The state has done a splendid job, over the last 230 years, of protecting the stolen wealth of the 'haves' from those from whom they've stolen.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 23:46 | 1210164 CH1
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And I thought Marx had died!'

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 04:32 | 1210408 downwiththebanks
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The only person I quoted was the slave-owning writer of the constitution.  And he explicitly said, in is writings (many, many times) that the purpose of the state was to protect the "minority of the opulent."

That you find this uncomfortable doesn't make it untrue.  After all, MADISON WROTE IT.

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:15 | 1209963 tony bonn
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the topic of the article is worthwhile although i don't think it was as well handled as it could the first, and minor case, 9/11 was not blow back - it was the paranoid security state (military-industrial-bankster complex) taking further steps to impose total control on the nation....the mibc created an artificial need for security by destroying the wtc and collected enormous insurance payments to boot....9/11 was an inside job plain and simple.

in the second case, the enormous sacrifice of life and prosperity to feed the monster of security is justified by the most thuggish and barbaric minds....yes james jesus angleton, e howard hunt and other spooks fancied themselves and intellectuals but they personified the paranoid state to such an extent to make richard nixon seem a normal well adjusted individual....and angleton still missed major infiltration....all were the expressions of beautiful minds....

why does the usa need to spend nearly 50% of the world's military expenditures when it's economy is only 20+% of world gdp and even less of its population and land mass?....the answer is greed, paranoia, and unbridled aggression....

i will most emphatically agree that the paranoid security state breeds rampant instability and complete annihilation of liberty....the tsa and monstrosities at airports have nothing to do with security but everything to do with totalitarianism....americans are complete pigs to submit to such invasions of privacy and submissive losers...

most security risks in the cia era are complete fabrications and total farces staged to justify the 4th reich.....

Tue, 04/26/2011 - 22:31 | 1210001 downwiththebanks
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alCIAda exists because Uncle Sam called it into existence, and they have been allies for 3 decades (before the name 'alCIAda' was even around).

They tag-teamed Afghanistan.  They tag-teamed Serbia.  They tag-teamed 911.  And now they're tag-teaming Libya.

Wed, 04/27/2011 - 01:40 | 1210308 FeralSerf
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