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Obama for President so we can fufill our philosophy... This time is different
Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue.The sooner the US economy collapses the better, so these brutes will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means.
While we may deserve what we get because of the NWO crowd, and the plan to bring us to our knees(only because we allowed it).
You had best hope it doesn't, because wherever your ass is,it will be bad for you.Really bad.
Let's stop the hysterics. Nothing terrible will happen. We've had a slow decline for 20-30 years, and that will just continue. We will get smaller and poorer as a society, slowly.
As for the happy reset where we get a new gov that's "consumer friendly" -- don't make me laugh. Who do you think would be at the constitutional convention, making the new rules? That's right. The same assholes who've built the system that benefits them now. The elites have always set the rules throughout history.
I respectfulyl disagree. The build-up to collapse is long and slow, but there will be a straw that breaks this camels back. And when she falls it will be hard and fast. History assures such an outcome.
I believe you are correct - however, I also believe US citizens have an opportunity to rid themselves of the root cause of all US evils: The Illusion Of Supremacy.
That is to say: If a critical mass of US citizens boycott, and demand the complete dissolution of, all of the institutions of US Empire - then, and only the, US citizens may create for themselves and their offspring - a new republic, built on a renaisance of true creativity, productivity balanced with stewardship and concern for the whole of society, one nation, completely independent, with liberty, brotherhood & equality for all.
IF US citizens do NOT wake up and take these firm actions of moral and structural rebirth - they will fall victim to nothing but their own complacency, sloth and impotense - and THAT, is their own choice, AND FAULT, - not the elites'.
This pre-supposes that they realize it is an empire. Many believe that America spreads "democracy" They don't realize how the power is derived or why "democracy" is spread.
Ok so we know it is an oil-based empire. Oil is in its final days. 10 years? 30? I figure by then technology will have replaced oil by 80-90%.
The key is to innovate and produce.
EDOTABIN - RE:"pre-supposes that they realize it is an empire..."
Of course. After 911 and 100s of books and films and a billion articles disclosing that the US IS an empire - is ignorance of that fact a valid excuse for any US citizen?
I agree with your key: innovate & produce - however, EMPIRE MUST BE DISMANTLED for that - and any other good to happen.
ignorance must be a valid excuse. so many choose it.
[Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue....]---wanklord
wanklord, please don't ever change your moniker.
Never, ever, ever confuse "United States citizen" (let alone "resident alien" of the legal or illegal variety) with ...
Americans are Americans by virtue of blood. US citizenship is an arbitrary legal technicality available for purchase at market rates.
AMERICAN SINCE PLYMOUTH ROCK
You must be kidding... "American by blood".... there is no such thing.
i suppose that would make Native Americans American TILL Plymouth Rock?
By Blood?? Pleeese. This article describes status quo. So, get real and move on.
Blood - a vampire's fav. slurp
"Democracy is the theory that the people deserve to get exactly what they want.... and good and hard!"
"Democracy is the theory that the people deserve to get exactly what they want.... and good and hard!"
-- H.L. Mencken (paraphrased)
Oh, for fuck's sake. Are you serious, Charles Hugh Smith?
Clif High wants his title back now. What's with this wanton title plagiarism?
I am Chumbawamba.
Well.....in any event they both borrowed it from HG Wells
Anything with a Guest Post: you have to take with a grain of salt. They are all a side show. Generally I skip their articles in order to get to something actually relevant, namely Tyler Durden.
How about an honest president?....for a change.
Enter G C W
GLOBAL CIVIL WAR
Couple of more months for full take off Rob. Sure feels globally uncivil right now though eh? Heads up for the coming 4-5 weeks. Rough stuff ahead.
When the rate of change is so great that you can't tell what is going to happen next, you have a Singularity
Nope...it just looks like one. Your control system simply doesn't have the bandwidth. Same lousy outcome anyway....
The salient behavior of a singularity is that information does not pass through it whole. Not on the way in, and not on the way out. It is the meat grinder of culture. After the singularity, there is only sausauge. The last time the Western world went through one (470AD) we had 500 years of subsequent historical, intellectual and artistic darkness, followed hard by 500 years of religious wars and one could argue we did not even emerge fully until the 1500s, 1000 years after the fall of Rome.
People don't get it. They have no idea what it is that looms on this horizon. It is not loss of profits. It is the loss of 600 years of progress in the West.
Wow... That's so Terence McKenna. Didn't think I'd see that on ZH.
Agreed. For ZH-ers who aren't familiar with Terence McKenna, here is a link to his last interview:
Who else could explicate our current political/economic/social collapse by bringing in the I Ching, the DNA double helix, and the Mayan calendar? The interview is well worth listening to, but only with an open mind.
This is the achilles heel of the boom/bust philosophy... While we generally stairstep upwards, gaining knowledge, technology, etc., along the way, we sacrifice a bit of it during the bust and/or have a prolonged period without R & D and a detracted evolutionary rate... However, also present is the risk of a larger bust, should the pump prime enough so to speak, whereby we give back centuries of knowledge and abilities and sail into the doldrums with little hope of recovery... this risk is even larger as our technology grows and, with it, our world killing technologies... whether they be super diseases, nuclear, oil wells, chemical agents, or the like... these all create a residual burden that may not be met, depending on the circumstances.
I'm not saying its the wrong choice... but I am saying that I think people often forget the risks associated with it.
The distopian novel I'm writing has similar ideas as a core premise:
It all slips away slowly through neglect and wishful thinking and we don't notice it is gone. And when we do finally notice, we're lost too much technology and resources to get it back, and then we lose hope and fall to despair. Only a later generation that knows neither perihelion nor agogee has the vigor to begin again.
The hopeful seed already contains the later death spiral.
and vice versa of course
I would like to read your distopian novel! Any links to a site for its future release?
RE:" It all slips away slowly through neglect and wishful thinking and we don't notice it is gone."
I believe "it all slips away", because we are busy being hypnotized by US pop-culture, which is, in its own monochromatic, nationalist-supremacy and upward-social-mobility-motivational-garbage-spewing way - a metaphorical exercise in singularity: the absolute, anti-intellectual, roboticizing dummification of the masses into pseudo-individualist, ignorance based, competitive consumer behavior - a singular mass of proto nationalist hegemon consumer-bots - the precursor of nanobot infested android or cyborg based substrates for collectivized "citizen"-components of the US-Globa-Corpora subjects.
SO - I think you are wrong about one thing: Empire is NOT an equally viable political construct - rather, it IS evil, must be destroyed (because it equals the singularity you write against), and be replaced with a rebirth of true-and-thus-be-definition-social individuals - free and independent yet connected and caring with theor fellow man.
RENAISANCE !!! NOT SURRENDER!!!
The tightrope between individualism and collectivism has yet to be bested by man... we simply have a choice... boom and attempt to r & d past bacteria, virii, weather, and other things that seek our demise and hope that the bust is not too prolonged... (ultimately hoping to get off this mudball before the sun burns out)... OR... twiddle our thumbs and become camel fuckers... basically trodding along and hoping to develop some technology here or there...
While I hear other posters state that the boom/bust cycle is a social construct and only advocated by those with a battered wife's mentality, I fail to see a viable alternative proposed...
COUGAR_W - I believe you make a very astute and essential point.
However, my question to you, and everyone else here, is:
Does that mean you believe in empire in general, and, at this time specifically - in US Empire, as a necessicity for the further evolution of human culture?
My stance, and claim, is the opposite: Empire is the root of all evil - because Empire is: hegemony, leverage, collectivism, resource extraction for centralized utilization and general control of all social and economic processes.
My solution is: enlightened, decentralized, hi-tech/balanced and maximum local self-sufficiency and local self-rule - with global exchange of KNOWLEDGE FIRST and MATERIALS & GOODS ONLY SECONDLY.
In Summary: EMPIRE MUST BE DESTROYED - KNOWLEDGE/SELF-SUFFICIENCY EXPANDED.
What say you - and all?
Since you ask: Empire has nothing to do with it. An empire is simply a political construct, neither more nor less viable than any other construct. As such, empire does not survive the singularity any more than does literature or art. All similar constructs are rendered sausage.
The empire will fight to survive. It's blind stuggle is already part of the grinding machine that must devour all. As it thrashes and destroys, so it will be destroyed. These are human things and have no place in the larger universe.
Or at least that's how the unmaker explained it to me. But she's sort of a crazy bitch, so I don't know.
The destruction has been foreseen by The Annointed One.
i wish he would hurry up and get on with it. this chinese water torture is killing me.
I understand your points. However, I believe there is a choice to be made:
A) submit to empire, cycles, singularity
B) resist and destroy them - and create a renaisance
Some Individuals, do manage to execute option B) - for themselves.
My question is, whether ANYONE here, believes that a critical mass of US citizens are capable of pulling and organizing together, to create a consciousness and structures that will enable and further the odds of renaisance rather than death and singularity.
I, for one, has not, and will never, concede an iota of my being, consciousness and will power to any empire - and, if not ALL discussion is in vain, I must therefore believe that I can align myself with other like-minded individuals and their "organizations" - to further what i believe is better than empire, death and singularity.
I am not a "relativist". I believe relativists express themselves only oxymoronically.
Institutions always fail. Nations -- i.e., the DNA -- survive if they have the will to survive. You represent millions of years of selective adaptation and breeding against every adversity permutation possible. The only reason to die off now is because some genetic strand lost the will to live.
Let the losers die. "We shall have fewer Americans but better Americans" to borrow a phrase.
A nation is NOT DNA - a nation is language, principles and culture.
Your concept of a DNA-nation is clanish/tribalist - and therefore the precise antithesis to the US founding ideal that "all men are created equal" and of the US ideal of meritocracy over inherited identity and status, as culturally structuring principles.
A historical singularity like the one cited (so-called dark ages) does not hold a whit to a Singularity. That's where all of the potential within the visible matter, visible energy, and information collapses at every single Cartesian coordinate simultaneously. This the driving, or kinetic force for a macroevolutionary saltation.
That's what a-comin'. Just sayin' in light of discussin' McKenna.
You are of course correct. Quite APROPOS of which, and of your name, I here remind everyone of our eternal and universal individual and group choice of every moment, between death/evil/empire/singularity/selfishness - VERSUS - life/good/love-of-mankind.
IF we have the values of life - we must choose the actions of life, not empire.
The debris of the current culture represents the foundation of the next.
And sometimes debris is simply a mystery to a later generation, who lacking our motivations gape in wonder at our futility.
It is entirely possible that absolutely nothing we know today will be valued as knowledge in some distant tomorrow. Or perhaps not-so-distant. The explorations of continents, nuclear physics, anthropology, space exploration, medicine. They make sense to us now because we still cling to the context in which these things arose.
But the Newton of a future time might not think about gravity when watching an apple fall. Gravity and motion might have no significance at all in her world. A future Newton might see in the falling apple only art and life and write something brilliant about the transient nature of levity against gravity, and so become a great poet and the darling of her age.
Our triumphs over nature do not impress the stones of the earth, nor will they endure the erosion of forgetfulness
We built no pyramids and our schemes will not be remembered.
Yeah......I'm guessing zombie apocalypse followed by heavy handed police state followed by some ass kicking by those of us with fortitude & guns.
the police state control grid is already well in place and has grown exponentially since 9/11
When the rioting starts in this country it is going to be an absolute bloodbath. The majority of military police in this country are hardened war veterans that served multiple tours of duty in Afghanistan and Iraq. Guarantee you they are licking their lips waiting to take down any opposition to their statist controllers .
The riot cops in Greece will look gentle by comparison
Yes, every U.S. soldier is a trained pack animal that will unflinchingly follow orders to gun down civilians. Are you familiar with Bastille Day?
I think there are enough examples of military C&C breakdown during civil breakdown just in the past six months to thoroughly debunk that theory, and who knows what they put into history books about the French Revolution these days...
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