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Guest Post: The Shape Of Things To Come

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

The Shape of Things To Come  

The Great Reset could take many forms. The only certain thing is that today's profound political disunity and our destabilizing financial Plutocracy will force a crisis.

Yesterday I laid out why the U.S. will inevitably experience The Great Reset. What comes after that systemic devolution/crisis is unknown, but we can speculate on the shape of things to come.

Though we cannot know the outcome, we can certainbly discern the outlines of the crisis itself. These destabilizing conditions will force a crisis at some point and will be resolved one way or another:

1. Profound political disunity. As I noted in Survival+, this was a key feature of the Roman Empire in its final slide to collapse. The shared values and consensus which had held the Empire's core together dissolved, leaving petty fiefdoms to war among themselves for what power and swag remained.

Today we have several types of political disunity. Superficially, the two "political theater" wings of the Demopublicans stage a bitter partisan war over whose vision of the U.S. as a "Plutocracy, but with benefits" holds an increasingly enfeebled political power.

But this is all theater and artifice. Neither wing has any vision or values of substance; each slavshly serves their masters, the corporate cartels and financial Oligarchy, while feeding their vast constituencies in the Savior State great gobs of borrowed treasure to maintain the "Plutocracy, but with benefits."

The real disunity is between a doomed Status Quo and those willing to deal with reality. Right now those willing to deal with reality are few, but they have the distinct advantage of reality on their side, while the Status Quo has only propaganda, artifice, phony political theater and empty promises.

The disunity stems from the public's innate desire to hold onto the empty promises and cling to the hope offered by the Status Quo that these grandiose, impossible promises will be met, despite the abundant factual evidence to the contrary.

Every attempt to lead the public toward the realization that the present is unsustainable will be crushed by a frantic assault of the fiefdoms, cartels and players who will lose power and profits when the Status Quo crumbles under its own weight.

Promises always sound better than reality until a crisis punctures the promises. But the anger generated by this deflation of "too good to be true" promises threatens both rationality and stability.

2. A dearth of leadership. The weakness of what passes for "leadership" today is not just a matter of bad luck but of the corruption of politics to the point that it only attracts sycophants, moral midgets and sociopaths. It's easy to blame those attracted to the game for this, but the real cause is the American people, who reject honesty in favor of artifice and promises. The American public is child-like, self-centered, myopic, ill-informed and ultimately uncaring about anything but getting their share of the swag.

Thus anyone who promises that their share of the swag will remain untouched wins, and anyone who suggests the swag is unsustainable is rejected as "judgmental" or "negative." To the degree a nation gets the leadership it demands, then the U.S. is in trouble. We're now a nation of spoiled teens who get to elect their parents. No surprise, the 'rents who never enforce any rules, never challenge their own bosses (the kleptocrats) and who dole out the most allowance win every time.

Thus we get leaders who refuse to challenge the Financial Power Elites, cartels and fiefdoms because the Status Quo would devote all its stupendous wealth and influence to defeating a challenger, and we get leaders who refuse to be honest with the American people because that honesty is rejected as unwelcome.

Ideally, a leader persuades the public to grow up rather than pander to their basest desires, but such a leader would only have one term of office.

3. The unstable double-bind of rule by Financial Plutocracy. A funny thing happens when a nation allows itself to be ruled by kleptocrats: such rule is intrinsically destabilizing, as there is no longer any center to bind the nation together. The public sees the value system at the top is "I, Me, Mine" greed fed by complicity/corruption, and they follow suit by pursuing whatever petty frauds and corruptions are within reach: tax avoidance, cheating on entrance exams, gaming disability, lying on mortgage and job applications, and so on.

Meanwhile, the diverting of national income into a few power centers is also destabilizing, as Central Planning and Market Manipulation (TM, Federal Reserve, all rights reserved worldwide) are intrinsically unstable as price can no longer be discovered by unfettered markets. As a result, imbalances grow until some seemingly tiny incident or disruption triggers a cascading collapse.

The double-bind is two-fold: the Power Elites can't bear to part with any of their power or wealth, so their resistance guarantees systemic collapse. The political "leadership" cannot challenge the Power Elites' grip on the nation's throat because the entire Status Quo has been co-opted/sold out and is now wedded to the Oligarchy as their guarantor of financial security.

What this leads to is a Status Quo committed to a sinking ship. The very imbalances created by a Financial Elite and the enabling Central State Central Planning doom the system, but since everyone within the Status Quo depends on it for their own slice of wealth and power, then no one dares speak up in favor of reality. Complicity is the order of the day, but complicity can't stop the ship from sinking.

4. The political corruption of religion. Jesus did not say, "Go forth and lobby the Roman Senate, to make laws which impose your interpretations on others." Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” (John 18:36)

Although it is unpopular to say so, some aspects of religion in the U.S. have been corrupted by a desire for wealth and a focus on acquiring it, and by a desire for political power masquerading as morality.

Very few (I know of none) commentators, mainstream or independent, see the potential for a Great Awakening, a spiritual, non-denominational renewal of faith not as some political force in the greasy halls of power but as a motivator of personal responsibility and resolve. I may be alone in this, but American history is replete with examples not only of political upheaval but of broad-based spiritual renewals that reject the earthly excesses in favor of a renewed moral center.

Such movements need not be associated with any one religion or denomination; they tend to be cultural in nature, drawing inspiration from religious faith but extending beyond the confines of the church.

Complicity and dependence erode the soul; political or financial "fixes" alone can't fix the rot. In a fundamentally corrupt, complicit society, rules and laws are routinely evaded, bypassed, undermined or simply ignored. Making more rules fixes nothing if the rules are merely for show, or only for the bottom 99%.

The resolution of these brewing instabilities could be orderly or disorderly
. In an orderly scenario, a new Constitutional Convention is convened, and a leadership backed by an enlightened public hammers out a consensus to limit the political and financial dominance of Financial Power Elites and corporate cartels. The new consensus reorients the Central State to its original purpose of limiting predation of the citizenry by Elites and criminals, defending the nation and imposing the rule of law as defined by the Constitution. The Savior State would be dismantled in an orderly process.

In a disorderly resolution, the Status Quo and the public both refuse to deal with reality and instead cling to the Titanic, demanding magical solutions that will keep the doomed ship from sinking. There is no such magic, of course, and so the ship will go down, and disorder will reign.

It might take the shape of a financial crisis such as a devaluation or hyperinflation, or it might take a political crisis such as a "Quiet Coup" by Elites or an outbreak of resistance to the heavy-handed Central State.

At the outer boundaries of such disorder, then the nation could split apart, along the lines of the book The Nine Nations of North America, or into permutations of civil war as invisioned by author/blogger Chris Sullins in his novel series Operation SERF.

The salient feature of instability is its unpredictability. The longer the nation waits to deal with unwelcome realities, the greater the eventual destabilization. What happens as a result of that inevitable destabilization will be up to us.


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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:36 | 1437112 trampstamp
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Obama for President so we can fufill our philosophy... This time is different

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:57 | 1437233 wanklord
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Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue.The sooner the US economy collapses the better, so these brutes will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:18 | 1437312 DosZap
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While we  may deserve what we get because of the NWO crowd, and the plan to bring us to our knees(only because we allowed it).

You had best hope it doesn't, because wherever your ass is,it will be bad for you.Really bad.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:30 | 1437368 Shell Game
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:30 | 1437369 mkkby
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Let's stop the hysterics.  Nothing terrible will happen.  We've had a slow decline for 20-30 years, and that will just continue.  We will get smaller and poorer as a society, slowly. 

As for the happy reset where we get a new gov that's "consumer friendly" -- don't make me laugh.  Who do you think would be at the constitutional convention, making the new rules?  That's right.  The same assholes who've built the system that benefits them now.  The elites have always set the rules throughout history.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:52 | 1437431 Nathan Muir
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I respectfulyl disagree.  The build-up to collapse is long and slow, but there will be a straw that breaks this camels back.  And when she falls it will be hard and fast.  History assures such an outcome. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:00 | 1437454 eureka
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I believe you are correct - however, I also believe US citizens have an opportunity to rid themselves of the root cause of all US evils: The Illusion Of Supremacy.

That is to say: If a critical mass of US citizens boycott, and demand the complete dissolution of, all of the institutions of US Empire - then, and only the, US citizens may create for themselves and their offspring - a new republic, built on a renaisance of true creativity, productivity balanced with stewardship and concern for the whole of society, one nation, completely independent, with liberty, brotherhood & equality for all.

IF US citizens do NOT wake up and take these firm actions of moral and structural rebirth - they will fall victim to nothing but their own complacency, sloth and impotense - and THAT, is their own choice, AND FAULT, - not the elites'.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:31 | 1438194 edotabin
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This pre-supposes that they realize it is an empire. Many believe that America spreads "democracy"  They don't realize how the power is derived or why "democracy" is spread.

Ok so we know it is an oil-based empire. Oil is in its final days. 10 years? 30?  I figure by then  technology will have replaced oil by 80-90%.

The key is to innovate and produce.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 18:04 | 1438481 eureka
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EDOTABIN - RE:"pre-supposes that they realize it is an empire..." 

Of course. After 911 and 100s of books and films and a billion articles disclosing that the US IS an empire - is ignorance of that fact a valid excuse for any US citizen?

I agree with your key: innovate & produce - however, EMPIRE MUST BE DISMANTLED for that - and any other good to happen.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 19:37 | 1438681 gall batter
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ignorance must be a valid excuse.  so many choose it.  

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:32 | 1437925 Founders Keeper
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[Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue....]---wanklord

wanklord, please don't ever change your moniker.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:23 | 1438169 Josey Montana
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Never, ever, ever confuse "United States citizen" (let alone "resident alien" of the legal or illegal variety) with ...


Americans are Americans by virtue of blood.  US citizenship is an arbitrary legal technicality available for purchase at market rates.


Sign me,


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 18:07 | 1438487 eureka
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You must be kidding... "American by blood".... there is no such thing.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 22:57 | 1439041 Oh regional Indian
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i suppose that would make Native Americans American TILL Plymouth Rock?


Sat, 07/09/2011 - 02:36 | 1439233 turbomango
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By Blood??  Pleeese. This article describes status quo. So, get real and move on.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 02:41 | 1439234 turbomango
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Blood - a vampire's fav. slurp

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:09 | 1437278 Leopold B. Scotch
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"Democracy is the theory that the people deserve to get exactly what they want.... and good and hard!"

-- H.L. Mencken (paraphrased)

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:53 | 1437436 chumbawamba
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Oh, for fuck's sake.  Are you serious, Charles Hugh Smith?

Clif High wants his title back now.  What's with this wanton title plagiarism?

I am Chumbawamba.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:07 | 1437482 I_ate_the_crow
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:33 | 1438200 GeneMarchbanks
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Anything with a Guest Post: you have to take with a grain of salt. They are all a side show. Generally I skip their articles in order to get to something actually relevant, namely Tyler Durden.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 21:41 | 1438915 Rhodin
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How about an honest president?....for a change.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:35 | 1437130 Robslob
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Enter G C W


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:35 | 1437609 Oh regional Indian
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Couple of more months for full take off Rob. Sure feels globally uncivil right now though eh? Heads up for the coming 4-5 weeks. Rough stuff ahead.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:37 | 1437140 carbonmutant
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When the rate of change is so great that you can't tell what is going to happen next, you have a Singularity

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:45 | 1437177 cpnscarlet
cpnscarlet's picture just looks like one. Your control system simply doesn't have the bandwidth. Same lousy outcome anyway....

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:13 | 1437295 cougar_w
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The salient behavior of a singularity is that information does not pass through it whole. Not on the way in, and not on the way out. It is the meat grinder of culture. After the singularity, there is only sausauge. The last time the Western world went through one (470AD) we had 500 years of subsequent historical, intellectual and artistic darkness, followed hard by 500 years of religious wars and one could argue we did not even emerge fully until the 1500s, 1000 years after the fall of Rome.

People don't get it. They have no idea what it is that looms on this horizon. It is not loss of profits. It is the loss of 600 years of progress in the West.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:42 | 1437398 Metropolis_Minx
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Wow... That's so Terence McKenna. Didn't think I'd see that on ZH.



Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:28 | 1437571 Amish Hacker
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Agreed. For ZH-ers who aren't familiar with Terence McKenna, here is a link to his last interview:

Who else could explicate our current political/economic/social collapse by bringing in the I Ching, the DNA double helix, and the Mayan calendar? The interview is well worth listening to, but only with an open mind.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:47 | 1437416 MachoMan
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This is the achilles heel of the boom/bust philosophy...  While we generally stairstep upwards, gaining knowledge, technology, etc., along the way, we sacrifice a bit of it during the bust and/or have a prolonged period without R & D and a detracted evolutionary rate...  However, also present is the risk of a larger bust, should the pump prime enough so to speak, whereby we give back centuries of knowledge and abilities and sail into the doldrums with little hope of recovery...  this risk is even larger as our technology grows and, with it, our world killing technologies...  whether they be super diseases, nuclear, oil wells, chemical agents, or the like...  these all create a residual burden that may not be met, depending on the circumstances.

I'm not saying its the wrong choice...  but I am saying that I think people often forget the risks associated with it. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:18 | 1437523 cougar_w
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The distopian novel I'm writing has similar ideas as a core premise:

It all slips away slowly through neglect and wishful thinking and we don't notice it is gone. And when we do finally notice, we're lost too much technology and resources to get it back, and then we lose hope and fall to despair. Only a later generation that knows neither perihelion nor agogee has the vigor to begin again.

The hopeful seed already contains the later death spiral.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:57 | 1437721 tip e. canoe
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and vice versa of course

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:04 | 1437751 cougar_w
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:27 | 1437898 eureka
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I would like to read your distopian novel! Any links to a site for its future release?

RE:" It all slips away slowly through neglect and wishful thinking and we don't notice it is gone."

I believe "it all slips away", because we are busy being hypnotized by US pop-culture, which is, in its own monochromatic, nationalist-supremacy and upward-social-mobility-motivational-garbage-spewing way - a metaphorical exercise in singularity: the absolute, anti-intellectual, roboticizing dummification of the masses into pseudo-individualist, ignorance based, competitive consumer behavior - a singular mass of proto nationalist hegemon consumer-bots - the precursor of nanobot infested android or cyborg based substrates for collectivized "citizen"-components of the US-Globa-Corpora subjects.

SO - I think you are wrong about one thing: Empire is NOT an equally viable political construct - rather, it IS evil, must be destroyed (because it equals the singularity you write against), and be replaced with a rebirth of true-and-thus-be-definition-social individuals - free and independent yet connected and caring with theor fellow man.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 19:33 | 1438671 MachoMan
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The tightrope between individualism and collectivism has yet to be bested by man...  we simply have a choice...  boom and attempt to r & d past bacteria, virii, weather, and other things that seek our demise and hope that the bust is not too prolonged...  (ultimately hoping to get off this mudball before the sun burns out)...  OR...  twiddle our thumbs and become camel fuckers...  basically trodding along and hoping to develop some technology here or there...

While I hear other posters state that the boom/bust cycle is a social construct and only advocated by those with a battered wife's mentality, I fail to see a viable alternative proposed...

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:12 | 1437506 eureka
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COUGAR_W - I believe you make a very astute and essential point.

However, my question to you, and everyone else here, is:

Does that mean you believe in empire in general, and, at this time specifically - in US Empire, as a necessicity for the further evolution of human culture?

My stance, and claim, is the opposite: Empire is the root of all evil - because Empire is: hegemony, leverage, collectivism, resource extraction for centralized utilization and general control of all social and economic processes.

My solution is: enlightened, decentralized, hi-tech/balanced and maximum local self-sufficiency and local self-rule - with global exchange of KNOWLEDGE FIRST and MATERIALS & GOODS ONLY SECONDLY.


What say you - and all?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:24 | 1437544 cougar_w
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Since you ask: Empire has nothing to do with it. An empire is simply a political construct, neither more nor less viable than any other construct. As such, empire does not survive the singularity any more than does literature or art. All similar constructs are rendered sausage.

The empire will fight to survive. It's blind stuggle is already part of the grinding machine that must devour all. As it thrashes and destroys, so it will be destroyed. These are human things and have no place in the larger universe.

Or at least that's how the unmaker explained it to me. But she's sort of a crazy bitch, so I don't know.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:45 | 1437654 Manthong
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The destruction has been foreseen by The Annointed One.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 18:39 | 1437707 tip e. canoe
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i wish he would hurry up and get on with it.   this chinese water torture is killing me.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:30 | 1437802 eureka
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I understand your points. However, I believe there is a choice to be made:

A) submit to empire, cycles, singularity

B) resist and destroy them - and create a renaisance

Some Individuals, do manage to execute option B) - for themselves.

My question is, whether ANYONE here, believes that a critical mass of US citizens are capable of pulling and organizing together, to create a consciousness and structures that will enable and further the odds of renaisance rather than death and singularity.

I, for one, has not, and will never, concede an iota of my being, consciousness and will power to any empire - and, if not ALL discussion is in vain, I must therefore believe that I can align myself with other like-minded individuals and their "organizations" - to further what i believe is better than empire, death and singularity.

I am not a "relativist". I believe relativists express themselves only oxymoronically.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:28 | 1438183 Josey Montana
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Institutions always fail.  Nations -- i.e., the DNA -- survive if they have the will to survive.  You represent millions of years of selective adaptation and breeding against every adversity permutation possible.  The only reason to die off now is because some genetic strand lost the will to live.

Let the losers die.  "We shall have fewer Americans but better Americans" to borrow a phrase.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 18:16 | 1438504 eureka
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A nation is NOT DNA - a nation is language, principles and culture.

Your concept of a DNA-nation is clanish/tribalist - and therefore the precise antithesis to the US founding ideal that "all men are created equal" and of the US ideal of meritocracy over inherited identity and status, as culturally structuring principles.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:07 | 1437767 SecondComing
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A historical singularity like the one cited (so-called dark ages) does not hold a whit to a Singularity.  That's where all of the potential within the visible matter, visible energy, and information collapses at every single Cartesian coordinate simultaneously.  This the driving, or kinetic force for a macroevolutionary saltation.

That's what a-comin'.  Just sayin' in light of discussin' McKenna.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:38 | 1437969 eureka
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SecondComing -

You are of course correct. Quite APROPOS of which, and of your name, I here remind everyone of our eternal and universal individual and group choice of every moment, between death/evil/empire/singularity/selfishness - VERSUS - life/good/love-of-mankind. 

IF we have the values of life - we must choose the actions of life, not empire.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:24 | 1437888 carbonmutant
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 The debris of the current culture represents the foundation of the next.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:21 | 1438165 cougar_w
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And sometimes debris is simply a mystery to a later generation, who lacking our motivations gape in wonder at our futility.

It is entirely possible that absolutely nothing we know today will be valued as knowledge in some distant tomorrow. Or perhaps not-so-distant. The explorations of continents, nuclear physics, anthropology, space exploration, medicine. They make sense to us now because we still cling to the context in which these things arose.

But the Newton of a future time might not think about gravity when watching an apple fall. Gravity and motion might have no significance at all in her world. A future Newton might see in the falling apple only art and life and write something brilliant about the transient nature of levity against gravity, and so become a great poet and the darling of her age.

Our triumphs over nature do not impress the stones of the earth, nor will they endure the erosion of forgetfulness

We built no pyramids and our schemes will not be remembered.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:39 | 1437152 Mad Marv
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Yeah......I'm guessing zombie apocalypse followed by heavy handed police state followed by some ass kicking by those of us with fortitude & guns.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:51 | 1437204 baby_BLYTHE
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the police state control grid is already well in place and has grown exponentially since 9/11

When the rioting starts in this country it is going to be an absolute bloodbath. The majority of military police in this country are hardened war veterans that served multiple tours of duty in Afghanistan and Iraq. Guarantee you they are licking their lips waiting to take down any opposition to their statist controllers .

The riot cops in Greece will look gentle by comparison

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:17 | 1437305 Forward History
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Yes, every U.S. soldier is a trained pack animal that will unflinchingly follow orders to gun down civilians. Are you familiar with Bastille Day?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:56 | 1437446 Urban Redneck
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I think there are enough examples of military C&C breakdown during civil breakdown just in the past six months to thoroughly debunk that theory, and who knows what they put into history books about the French Revolution these days...

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:03 | 1437470 CH1
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Not true. Some are, but many will NOT gun down civilians.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:18 | 1437311 centerline
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It all really depends on this goes down.  Yeah, my guess is that we will have a disorderly unwind.  But, if it hits quick and hard, the police state might not work out so well.  In a situation of mass hysteria, lots of police are going to be conflicted between following orders and safeguarding family and friends.

If the we have an disorderly unwind that creeps forward, then an emerging police state will be a given... at least until the breaking point is reached.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 05:17 | 1439297 Ray Elliott
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Police or military suggest a nationally funded effort.  Resources may not be able to support this.  Keep in mind, all politics are local.

The unwind may be extremely hazardous due to the problem with IFF (identification, friend or foe?). 

A former acquaintance may decide his hungry child's needs surpass his obligations to be a good neighbor.  This man may be your assailant tomorrow.

The new society will not have the support system of the former society.  Many will fall through the cracks and have no support system except themselves.  They in turn may become predators.  For strength, they will form gangs and roam through areas they consider opportune targets.  Targets will be selected based on vulnerability and potential reward.  Those with observable wealth will be attacked first.  The weak and the elderly will be the most at risk. 

Society may revert to the "hunter-gatherer" structure of 12,000 years ago.  Groups of neighbors will organize for self protection.  These groups will become associated to form the basis of a new power structure.     

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:22 | 1437328 cougar_w
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Go easy on the Vets. Most will do the right thing.

The Oligarches won't even trust those guys. They'll go straight to their corporate friends in the black ops business and hire any size army they need. Riot cops? Fiddlesticks. Nobody is going to be checking badges when this motherfucker blows up.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:26 | 1437352 baby_BLYTHE
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nothing against vets, I even know a few.

Just saying that the majority will follow orders when the time comes.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 06:14 | 1439314 NidStyles
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/vet's have no order's, The term Veteran denotes someone no longer in the Military. Being a Vet, I can openly say you either don't know any of us, or simply have never asked any of us.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:21 | 1437486 Ergo
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Interesting thoughts by all.

Consider this: The Oligarchs are ruthless.  They won't hesitate to supress perceived troublemakers.  And given the growing loss of morality in society, Oligarchs will have NO trouble finding people to do their will.  Oligarchs control legislation and the press.  Anyone causing disorder will be painted as wrong-doers by the corporate press.  And for much of the police and military, banks own their homes and they have families to support.  Thus, police and military will be given a moral justification for crushing protestors, and they'll have a powerful self interest to follow orders.  And, if not, mercenaries are widely available, as Cougar points out. 

In summary, the new form of power is already in effect.  Rebellion would lose here.  It only works when those in power aren't willing or prepared to fire on the crowd.  See, e.g., Iran.  And our Oligarchs may not ever need to go that far.  They wield the weapon of economics.  It works like this:  Arrest person, charge with serious crime, force them to lose their job and spend all their money fighting charges to stay out of jail.  There are no bad images for television, and all they have to say is that they're letting the legal process run its course and respecting rights.  -- If there is a struggle here, it was lost a long time ago.  We'll just try to stay safe. 

(Note: I'm not talking about riots, but about radical societal changing events, such as suggested in the article.  I can imagine an event that could cause widespread rioting that can't be controlled. But that would likely be ruthless as well, and not productive.)

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:24 | 1437551 eureka
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ERGO - I believe your logic is sound, your argument based on facts, as you say.

Question then becomes: How many US citizens will see thorugh this unholy deceipt - and how many will go to active "underground" resistance, i.e. sabotage of Federal and Elite institutions and sniping, bombing and poisoning of Elite and Elite Minion Individuals?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:56 | 1437716 Things that go bump
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The Virtues of a Disorganized Resistance

Stephen DeVoy

Break Your Chains

American opposition movements have always focused on the notion of organization. It has always been their goal to organize the people. Their hope has been to wield the collective power of the disaffected, downtrodden, and exploited as a single unit against the concentrated power of the ruling class. While their hope has been noble, their methods have been foolish. Organized resistance has many drawbacks. These drawbacks have seldom been discussed by the opposition. We believe that the only effective resistance is a completely disorganized, decentralized, and leaderless opposition.

While, on the face of it, this claim may impress you as absurd. Of course it seems absurd! It is counterintuitive. Never the less, it is the ONLY method of resistance that will work within American society. We will explain why organized resistance has never worked in the United States. In addition, we will promulgate a new formula for effective resistance.

Why has organized resistance failed in the United States?

There are many reasons for the failure of organized resistance. The two primary causes of failure are intimately connected to the culture of the United States and the political system laid down by our nation's founding fathers.

The Cultural Cause

Americans, culturally, are anarchists. Few Americans realize this. Most Americans have a false understanding of the term "anarchism." However, upon examining the beliefs of your average American, you will find that most Americans: do not trust leaders, do not trust government, wish to be left alone, value their privacy, think of themselves as independent from society, do not believe that there is a systemic solution to their problems, believe that others should be free to do what they choose, provided they do so in private and do not harm others

While it is undeniable that political culture in the United States often speaks to the opposite of the above list, it is also undeniable that most Americans register as neither Democrat or Republican and most Americans do not vote. Thus, despite the political culture, most Americans choose not to participate in it. This is not only due to their belief that the American political system is hopeless, but also is due to the cultural clash between the wider culture and the political culture.

Any attempt to organize large numbers of Americans into a single political movement will fail. Any attempt to create an organization led by a strong group of leaders will fail. Americans reject submersion into the collective. In a sense, Americans are anti-collectivists.

The Political Cause

American political culture is not ideological. Politicians attempt to draw ideological distinctions between the two major parties, but these distinctions are a matter of splitting hairs. The only significant difference between the two political parties is the degree of compassion represented by the rhetoric of the two parties. Compassion is not a political concept. Compassion is an attitude. Thus, the two parties differ, primarily, in attitude and not ideology.

Despite this, there remain two political parties. One is prompted to ask "why?" If each party is basically the same, with respect to ideology, why do they not merge into one party? The answer to this question is best found in viewing each political party according to its true nature. American political parties are, for all intents and purposes, organized crime units. American political parties have more in common with the Mafia than they have with their counterparts in more democratic societies. Like Mafia, each political party competes for control of territory in order to maximize the benefit to their business constituency. Like Mafia, the political parties attempt to mold the system to maintain their positions and access to resources. Like Mafia, the political parties force the average citizen to pay "protection" under the threat of violence (taxes). Like Mafia each political party uses the "protection" money collected for its own advantage.

By defining our political system in terms of the "majority" and the "opposition," our Constitution enshrines this two mafia system into law. Each Mafia passes laws to exclude new comers from the game while focusing the rest of its energy in destroying the other Mafia.

Thus, any resistance movement that chooses to become an organization is in competition with these Mafiosi. The deck is stacked and the power of the state, wielded by these organized crime units known as the Democratic and Republican parties, will waste the time and resources of any newcomer. A newcomer can only succeed by rejecting the political system, draining its resources, and undermining the rule of the state.

How is disorganized resistance superior?

In some societies, dissidents become heroes. In American society dissidents are systematically slandered, libeled, harassed, and villainized. If they become successful, they are murdered (e.g. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X). In the American experience, movements that look to leaders are decapitated. Leaders are a liability, not an asset. Organizations can be (and are) infiltrated. Organizations can be taxed. Organizations have legal responsibility. Organizations have membership lists and lists are wonderful tools for the oppressor. Organizations take on a life of their own. They struggle to exist and their continued existence takes priority over their mission. Organizations attract opportunists, power mongers, and attention seekers. Organizations tend to exploit their rank and file for the benefit of their inner circle. Disorganizations share none of these defects.

Bureaucracy cannot comprehend disorganization. Disorganization is invisible. The asymmetry of the relationship between organization and disorganization favors disorganization. Organization depends upon planning. Planning requires predictability. Disorganization cannot be predicted. This leaves organization at a disadvantage.

Organization requires a supply chain. Supply chains can be disrupted. Disorganization depends only upon the resources of its members. Supply chains that do not exist cannot be eliminated.

Disorganized movements rely upon swarming. Swarms are difficult to defend against. If you cut a swarm in half, you have two swarms. If you eliminate one of the resulting swarms, you still have a swarm. Disorganization breeds. Organization grows. The many and dispersed are a more difficult target than the large and concentrated.

Organizations takes their steps by design. If the design is flawed, the organization fails. Disorganization relies not upon design but upon evolution. The motivating notions of disorganization are memes. Memes evolve and memes compete. This process improves the motivating notions of disorganization. This process produces multiple courses of action. While some may fail, others are likely to succeed. Taken as a whole, disorganization is more likely to succeed.

The important thing to remember is that it is easier to destroy than to create that which is designed. Thus, the cost to those who lose the manifestation of their design outweighs by leaps and bounds the cost it takes to destroy it. That which evolves is cheap and when an effort is created to destroy the evolved entity, it merely mutates and evolves again, adjusting to the new conditions. As a process that fosters evolution, a movement based on disorganization will continue to survive, evolve, and expand without cost. The resource constraints placed upon the designed (e.g. government and corporate) and those absent from the evolved (a decentralized and disorganized opposition movement), favor the later.

The limits of disorganization

We do not propose a complete absence of organization. Instead we propose a disorganization of units. Units can be as small as a single individual, or as complex as cell of individuals working together. Cells may be internally organized, but they should not be statically organized cell to cell. The movement should have no commander. It should have no central committee or governing body. No global plans should be made. The modus operandi of each unit should be to think globally and act locally. Ideas, strategies, and tactics should float freely and compete as memes within the medium of the collective conscious.


We need to construct a disorganized movement. You need not apply to join. In fact, it might be better if you did not contact anyone except those with whom you wish to form a unit. Your ideas, strategies, tactics, and lessons learned should be spread anonymously or by word of mouth. When you act, should you decide to act in resistance, attribute your actions to "the Resistance." The growing din of disorganized disruption will be felt as an earthquake. There will be trembles. There will be pre-shocks. The tension will mount and, in time, there will be an earthquake. When that earthquake strikes, the organized edifice of the oppressor will fall like a house of cards.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:05 | 1438101 eureka
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TTGB - interesting perspective from Stephen Devoy. A few disagreements:

1) US citienzens are NOT "lone wolves" - that is merely self-flattery, a romantic construct, derived and perpetuated by the US Myth Machinery in pop-culture "hero archetypes typefied by for example Clint Eastwood. RATHER, US citizens are pre-dominantly self-gain motivated provincialists - as long as no danger is engaged - i.e. personal gain through any means is good but any un-normal or dangerous pursuit is shunned.

2) as provincialized, self-absorbed personal gain-seekers - i.e. security seeking narcicists - US CITIZENS ARE rather easily coralled into COLLECTIVIST, NATIONALIST behavior.

For verification of my analysis and claim see: RA-RA Nationalist Supremacy Fervor reaction and collectivist cohesion WAR & REVENGE RESPONSE manufactured by 911 (false flag or not) - AND - similar tribal titilation & cheering over the successful killing of an old, marginalized, irrelevant super-goatee-sporting, ex-US/CIA operative named OSAMA.

There will be no strutural collapse due to US Lone Wolf Romantic Heroes.

US is one big pseudo-individualist collectivist-narcicist blob.

The only hope for the US - IS a renaisance of cor-related individuals INSISTING on PRINCIPLES OF LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND EMPIRE DISMANTLEMENT ENACTED BY LAW.

IF such renaisance does NOT occur - US WILL DISINTEGRATE.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 22:30 | 1438990 CH1
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Fail. ALL real progress comes from "lone wolf" types. And although they never show up in controlled media, they still exist in America.

Forget about "under law" - only decentralized common law is suited to the future. What is called "the law" is fully owned by the elite.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 01:03 | 1439184 cityguyusa
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Not everyone became a patriot when 9/11 came along; those of us that questioned 9/11 weren't ever part of the collective because we perceived it as a false flag.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:28 | 1437358 Vic Vinegar
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Great article by Mr. Smith.

As for this:

When the rioting starts in this country it is going to be an absolute bloodbath. The majority of military police in this country are hardened war veterans that served multiple tours of duty in Afghanistan and Iraq. Guarantee you they are licking their lips waiting to take down any opposition to their statist controllers .

Good luck with all that.  I will be watching Ice Loves Coco in the meantime.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:35 | 1437383 -Michelle-
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I don't think you know too many vets.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:39 | 1437154 chet
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I basically agree with Charles H Smith's thinking (depressing as that is), but doesn't he post these same articles here every two weeks or so?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:09 | 1437277 NotApplicable
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I'd say that his thinking is progressing, as his articles have contained less and less of the child-like analysis that he points out in this article.

In fact, I thought this might be the first article of his that I found completely coherent and mature, but at the end he still demonstrates the wishful thinking that a Constitutional Convention can actually save us, rather than further enslave us.

So, he's getting closer to the idea of abandoning elite 'solutions' from the 'Conventional Wisdom' ideasphere, but he isn't quite there yet. He has still yet to make the complete leap of logic from incoherence of collectivist solutions (the madman with a gun), to the coherence of individual solutions (the only entity capable of thought and action).

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:25 | 1437346 cougar_w
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Many remain voluntarily bound by the silken threads of hope.

Hard to find fault with that. We all want to think the best of the situation and human ideals.

But hope is not a tactic. It's not even a strategy. It's just nothing.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:15 | 1437514 Founders Keeper
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[But hope is not a tactic. It's not even a strategy. It's just nothing.]---cougar_w

Hi cougar_w.  IMO, hope is important. But truth is more important.

See ya at Camp FEMA. ; )

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:42 | 1437397 DosZap
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I disagree, the states get to call the Con Con if they wish, and appoint their own delegates.

That leaves out Congress, and the Exec Branch,and Legislative.

We THE people can change whatever we want........if enough say ENOUGH.

38 States, Red ones, sick and tired of this crap could bring it to a speedy halt.

My wonderment is WHY we have not already CALLED one. 


but at the end he still demonstrates the wishful thinking that a Constitutional Convention can actually save us, rather than further enslave us.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:30 | 1437574 the tower
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I think he's seen too many Hollywood movies... What he describes is the world that we have lived in for the past 100 years, nothing new, we're still here.. Yes, this system has to go, but why are you all rolling over on your back when the big dogs tell you to?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:40 | 1437629 eureka
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NA - RE: " collectivist solutions (the madman with a gun), to the coherence of individual solutions (the only entity capable of thought and action)."

1 US Empire = COLLECTIVISM = THE cause of all US evil.

2 only individuals UNITED - can boycott and dismantle Empire.

THUS: your notion of the single individual as solution IS romantic - NOT real.

You, as all Libertarians, must arrive at a PRACTICAL, structural model for effective, individual co-operation without name-calling it "collectivism" - or, your dream will die. 

To think that idealist individualism can stand up to empire - is but a dream.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:17 | 1437306 r101958
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No. He has been posting quite a bit of new stuff lately. I highly recommend his book Survival+ (avail on Amazon).

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:40 | 1437159 karzai_luver
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magical thinking is the only prop holding up this farce and has been for 10-15 years.

Godd luck , but it wont save you now.



Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:40 | 1437160 treemagnet
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Always amazed how even on this site everyone can read a post like this and nearly completely agree.....until a contex such as unions/social security/medi-whatever/govt spending/taxes - whatever is used.  Then, 500 comments later nothing is solved.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:45 | 1437180 karzai_luver
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that's because nothing is solved , but morphs into some other problem.

That's all it is , that's all that "happens".



Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:48 | 1437660 eureka
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No - it's because no one wants to pay to common expenditures EXCEPT when it comes to vicarious living through identification with US Empire - i.e. even MANY Libertarians pride themselves of national, "patriotic" glory and "supremacy".

The simple solution to all US evils - IS 100% boycott and dissolution of US Empire.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:42 | 1437167 Doubleguns
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Check out for an orderly resolution powered by enlightened "We the People."

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:44 | 1437172 Juan Wild
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Pitchforks are readily available but in poor demand.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:44 | 1437173 youngman
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Nothing will be solved until it falls apart...we saw yesterday the Social Security screams...tomorrow the medicare screams...the union screams..the pension screams..the tax screams...we need a 40% correction now.....and we are arguing over a 1% in 5 years type of will not plan accordinly

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:00 | 1437734 eureka
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The transfer of all assets from the people to the top 1% - AND - the protction of their assets - are THE SCREAMS THAT NUMB AND STUN THE NATION TO DEATH.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:44 | 1437174 pmn
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.


Lord Woodhouselee


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:23 | 1437334 r101958
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We are somewhere between apathy and dependence right now.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:04 | 1437474 MachoMan
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We're somewhere between dependence and bondage right now...  When you see a protest against additional entitlements, wake me up from my shackles...  until that day, our pity parties are going to be nothing more than begging the long dick of the law to steal the last bread crumb from the middle class...  or, if they're froggy enough, to force capital flight from those with the wherewithal to withdraw.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:21 | 1437538 Founders Keeper
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pmn, thanks for adding your post. Excellent.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 17:28 | 1438407 FreeNewEnergy
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Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is...

-- Peggy Lee

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 22:26 | 1438998 sgorem
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:46 | 1437181 stopcpdotcom
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Ave, O'Bummer, morituri te salutant.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:46 | 1437184 BanksterSlayer
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whoa! "Shape Of Things To Come" is the title of Clif High's web bots reports. Which are basically saying the same thing.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:43 | 1437988 mick_richfield
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No, it's the title of a bad, statist SF novel by H.G. Wells.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 17:18 | 1438381 hidingfromhelis
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No, it's the title of a good Yardbirds song.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 23:39 | 1439117 Milestones
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Can't say I can ever remember hearing Parker even do that one.      Milestones

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:47 | 1437188 toady
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The 'quiet coup' is already underway. Its called the Reagan revolution.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:02 | 1437252 I_ate_the_crow
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Lee Atwater would be so proud today...

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:10 | 1437282 Rodent Freikorps
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And yet, it was Clinton that signed off on the engineered plan for America's destruction.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:19 | 1437322 Leopold B. Scotch
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LOL. So predictable  "Reagan is to blame."  Or Clinton. Or Bush. Or...

You ought to turn back the clock to Wilson and his delusions of central planning and a common world order.

And then there's FDR...

..and all the rest.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:29 | 1437363 toady
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Yes, sorry about that... I should have remembered that stating a name would bring out the hate.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:44 | 1437997 mick_richfield
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Um, that was a correction.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:51 | 1437190 TruthInSunshine
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The new religion and god is "money," Charles.

Money and wealth can be great tools, but the most destructive masters.

Society today, due in great part to mass media (think commercials, TV shows and movies), places a greater emphasis on acquiring piles of shit - most of it shit that won't increase one's happiness, and perversly, submarine's one's happiness - as the utility of the shit is marginal, at best, while the price paid for the shit in the form of labor or effort exchanged for the ability to purchase it, has compromised one's ability to enjoy truly rewarding things that life has to offer (eating healthy, quality foods, spending time with one's family and children, reading great literature or doing anything - whether it's restoring that old Chevy big block or hitting the great pubs in Ireland or London or Prague - that elicits passion on a subjective basis).

But we have commercials, advertisement, movies, tv shows, product placements, articles - all telling us that we are failures without a 35 million dollar ocean front estate in the Hamptons - and the irony is that few of the very few who own such properties are probably much happier, if at all, than most others (or at least the guy who has all the basics covered and is free to pursue his favorite hobby or passion) - the law of diminishing returns is strong and steady.

Mass media and Madison Avenue has us trading our most precious commodities of time and health for a life filled with obsessing over accumulating enough fiat, even if that involves having every work day suck, to 'look the part' that many of us see.

Madison Avenue is where the real brain power of this world is concentrated. They can even make restless legs syndrome medication appear to be a must have item and Marine Corps bootcamp look like a scene out of an epic Hollywood Blockbuster having to do with knights and dragons and....bullshit.


Man, I see in Fight Club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

YouTube - Janis Joplin - Mercedes Benz

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:56 | 1437227 toady
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'Oh lord, won't you buy me...'

Thats the prayer I say before I go to bed!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:07 | 1437270 I_ate_the_crow
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Reminds me of the Bill Hicks bit on advertisers - "seriously, kill yourself".

By the look of things, the No Great Depression part of the Fight Club quote might have to be amended

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:19 | 1437321 TruthInSunshine
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by I_ate_the_crow
on Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:07


By the look of things, the No Great Depression part of the Fight Club quote might have to be amended




Indeed. The Great Deleveraging is going to roll in like a tsunami, and regardless of inflation, stagflation, deflation or hyper any of those, the result will be an Economic Depression.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:13 | 1438140 eureka
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TRUTH - I believe you are correct and wise -

Question: Do we jusy hang around and observe the Empire self-destruct - or - do we go fightclub for real?  I mean, wouldn't it be beautiful to see the Visa-, Mastercard- or say the GS-Squid -buildings all go up in the biggest 4'th of July Fireworks ever seen - for real?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:51 | 1437428 r101958
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Sat, 07/09/2011 - 01:10 | 1439190 cityguyusa
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Without the mantra of buy more feel better the whole of American capitalism would come tumbling down.  It's only the thought that everyone can make it big in America that keeps workers in appeals to their sense of fair play regardless that less than 1% really have that as a possibility.  It's the same thing that keeps those 24x7 commercials about making it big in real estate, colon cleansers, etc on TV as they convince millions to purchase their secret to success.  But the real secret is that their making their money selling you the secret.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:52 | 1437209 Tense INDIAN
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Labour Market Head and Shoulders:::

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:52 | 1437213 steve from virginia
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Who wants to deal with reality when there is football on TV?

Nobody wants reality. It means more work for less 'bling' and no cars. Who is going to vote for that?

No cars means no chicks, the next step has to be no football and no TV's. Who is going to vote for that?

No cars, no TV, no money means riots to get these things, not to get rid of them. Nobody in the world is rioting in order to get rid of cars. The rioters all want the cars they see on TV so they can get some hot chicks.

The politicians are slugs. All they offer is 'medical care' which has to do with dying and death and old age. Peeps want excitement and 'personal fulfillment' as seen on TV. The old, sick and dying are found watching the News, which is designed for the old, sick and dying. Young people want to watch the old and sick die and nothing more.

Young people want to watch the latest rapper pretending to be a gangster as seen on TV. Young people simply want the old folks to die already and leave stuff to them.

Since the foregoing represents 90% of the human race from Greenland to Antarctica, the prognosis is grim. If there was some way to 'short' humans I would do it.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:01 | 1437247 baby_BLYTHE
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Who wants to deal with reality when there is football on TV?


There is still a very good chance there won't be an NFL 2011-2012 season.

Not to say, there isn't a plethora of other distractions for the sheeple

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:23 | 1437331 Rossalgondamer
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Their pigskin plantation is a lot cheaper than Greece.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:47 | 1437414 I_ate_the_crow
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There is no chance there won't be an NFL season.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 23:10 | 1439063 Rhodin
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Last January i'd have given 100-1 that there would be a NFL season, and no limit on the action.   Right now i would not take a bet.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:01 | 1437249 WALLST8MY8BALL
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Simple - Buy GS


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:47 | 1438014 pods
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Very spot on Steve.  I dont think that people on a whole want all those things.  They merely want to know that what they believed in their whole lives is still true.  

We have, as a people, been given our own chains, which we promptly put on.

Most people do not want to be free.  

Even now, when things are bad, people are cocooning themselves inside their false realities created to let them deal with the creeping notion that they have been lied to their whole lives.

Drugs, boozing, facebook, etc.  How many escapes have people ensconced themselves in when they have found out that life sucks and that no matter how fast they run, the big ball of shit is edging ever closer?

There is a palpable feeling now that I see amongst the herd.  Sure, people gladly plop down in front of the tele to be absorbed into whatever fake reality they so desire, but I can see fear now in people who were 100% blue-pill-plugged-into-the-matrix.  

People used to see me as crazy (as most here can attest to), now they see me as crazy and correct.  They are coming to me for answers.  Because no matter how much they try to bury their heads into the sands of the modern circus, real life is blowing it away faster.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 18:08 | 1438488 RockyRacoon
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I dont think that people on a whole want all those things.

Oh yeah?    We may find out soon enough.   Take away all the diversions and we'll see how that works out.   An idle mind is a dangerous thing.    Local governments taking over the stadiums on off-season to hold free real circuses, with free "beverages" and hot dogs, and you will know how important these things are.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 23:07 | 1439055 pods
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Oh these "things" are most important to the oligarchy.  Sports and booze are their numbers 1 and 2.

You could not invent a better fail-safe for your security than to keep most of the men in a society drunk and glued to some circus event on their two days off a week.

Cause if men were not drunk and watching some kind of "event" they might start thinking, and talking amongst themselves.

We here on ZH often take stabs at the low hanging fruit of bling, snap cards, and modern TV.  Most people are not "wanting" of these things, they are merely an escape for them or offer a way for them to not have to think about what things have become.

They help keep the masses occupied, and allow the masses into a dreamworld where things really are okay.  A two hour mini vacation that allows them to get out of bed and head off to another mindless day working for the man.

I am the first to agree with you that if these are taken away, the bullets will begin flying.  SNAP cards end and we have Mogadishu (or Detroit) overnight.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 23:18 | 1439074 Rhodin
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Maybe a meteor storm or solar pulse will take out the TV sats?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 03:14 | 1439257 Raymond Reason
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Its interesting why some people see this coming, and others don't.  You could look at those who believe or don't believe there is a Hell.  It seems that those who have lived through some kind of hell here on earth, have no problem believing Hell exists.  Most people here in America have never lived through economic hell, and so at their core, they simply cannot see it as a possibility.  How will they react when it comes?  Some will accept it and deal with it.  Others will seek to destroy....themselves or others or both.  There's going to be a lot of death. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 23:32 | 1439099 Oh regional Indian
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Chilling thought. Somehow I feel, this go around, the mayhem will be virtual, but real, if you get my drift. 

4D reality through 3D glasses for all.


Sat, 07/09/2011 - 01:12 | 1439193 cityguyusa
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And that my friend is the very reason we are where we are in this country.  Because people are more concerned with TV then their enslavement.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:55 | 1437224 Pants McPants
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I believe that only land-owning, non-government employees should be able to vote.

That would solve a lot of problems, not to mention re-align priorities in short order.

It'll never happen, but I can dream.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:02 | 1437250 karzai_luver
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As long as they do all the fightin I am ok with it.

They should also be the only ones to carry weapons.


Go for it. You won't last long, not long at all.


Maybe you are onto something there.



Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:10 | 1437280 Marco
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We tried that in Urp, but the uppity peasants started cutting off heads.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:24 | 1437335 Leopold B. Scotch
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Apples and oranges.


Still, problems abound with the current system here with oligarchy and plutocracy having hijacked freedom / liberty, turning the system into a corporatist (non-freemarket) joke.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:47 | 1437415 DosZap
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Not far from the original way it was done.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:15 | 1437513 karzai_luver
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Well go for it.

You see you can't go homey again.

Try it and you will see.


Maybe go for 1/3 of person this time around.

Goof ball you don't even understand your own history.

Pants - yeah take 'em off they got a load of crap in 'em.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:07 | 1437481 MachoMan
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Lemme guess, you own land?

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:25 | 1437555 mkkby
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This comment shows even most ZH readers are clueless.  Voting is a sham.  Corps and the rich support a limited set of puppets for office.  No matter who the people vote for, they've already been vetted and paid off by the rich.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 15:47 | 1438012 Pants McPants
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For the record, I don't vote.  Nor do I own land.

Admittedly my comment was a pie-in-the-sky suggestion....but I am far from clueless.  My thinking was, voting will never go away, so how could it be improved? 

My other idea was to give folks at the polling place a choice: they could either vote in favor of their preferred candidate or they could vote to take away one vote from the opposition. 

(yes I realize the futility of both suggestions)

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:57 | 1437231 Shameful
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Starting to think Mr. Smith doesn't read his own writing. He rightly points out how the system cannot be righted because of cultural problems as well as structural issues. The he talks about a orderly restructuring where the people and the system come together to fix it. Such as thing is about as likely as me scoring 100+ points in a NBA playoff game, theoretically possible but only a fool would even contemplate it.

The system is broken and will simply grind on till it can't. All tricks will be used, propaganda, terror, police state, reeducation, but ultimately the ponzi will eat itself and chaos will emerge. Anyone who puts their faith in the American public or the idea that politicians can save them deserve what they will get. Natural selection can be a bitch.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:28 | 1437360 Leopold B. Scotch
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Things are getting very ripe for a false flag incident to unify. Power does what it needs to keep it.

When those stop working, then the power will attempt to balkanize the U.S. by pitting citizens against one another.  They'll break into their own factions to lead this group or that...  Anything to direct our anger at eachother instead of them. 

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:45 | 1437409 Rossalgondamer
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So true-

Smith writes, "Very few (I know of none) commentators, mainstream or independent, see the potential for a Great Awakening, a spiritual, non-denominational renewal of faith" - yet he cant seem himself to make the final leap. Religious reformation has occurred albeit in different scales and formats.

For many God is no longer directly expected to deliver material salvation - yet we cling to the twin falacy - that goverenment will/can.

Until reformation occurs in the profane mind we are fated with governments' social boom-bust and structural re-order.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:58 | 1437236 Johnny Lawrence
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These people are insane.  Maury Harris of UBS:

Non-farm payrolls rose by 18,000 (UBS: 135,000, cons: 105,000) in June. In addition, the previous two months saw net downward revisions of payrolls of another 44,000. This is consistent with a decelerating trend in payrolls. Private payrolls rose by 57,000 (UBS: 160,000, cons: 132,000).  The employment report data was inconsistent with an array of reports for the month of June and, although we cannot dismiss this data out of hand, we continue to believe there is good reason to believe the second half of the year will be better than the first.
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:00 | 1437242 nutkicker
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I think this is a very thoughtful and optimistic post. Personally, I agree with the reset theory as it aligns with the socio-cultural cyclicality illustrated in The Fourth Turning. A 'change' is coming. It always has come at times like this and is inevitable. 

Without the need for shoot-em-up screen writers to author its exact nature, I hope that the change is one based on enlightenment rather than chaos. Unfortunately, as a cynic, I fear the latter has greater odds of occurring as those who hold the strings grasp ever more tightly to the status quo. We've been indoctrinated with that selfish fight and close your ears mentality for so long, empathy is practically dead. Debate is a farce replaced by shouting matches.

Read a few of the comment threads on the site and see how adversarial and conflict prone they can be - even amongst people with relatively similar viewpoints. When it gets to details, it's hard to find, "let's agree to disagree" and even harder to find, "ah, you made a good point." Instead we have "u r an idiot" or somesuch. If we hope for a peaceful, civil, productive mode of change, maybe we should all open our minds a bit, be empathetic and try to really listen to each other instead of constantly spewing. We might all learn something - like how to get along and solve problems.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:05 | 1437263 karzai_luver
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no peaceful change is ever change.

those with the power and privilege will not give it up.

No gonna happen without some busted heads.

Doesn't have to be total war but some heads will have to roll.

Never any other way no matter the "sides".


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:08 | 1437276 Absinthe Minded
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That was quite a civil and thought provoking post.....nutkicker

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:21 | 1437326 nutkicker
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Thanks! (from the irony in naming department)

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:23 | 1437330 Silver Dreamer
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Unfortunately, I'm planning for the worst.  It's hard to be optimistic when Americans will kill each other over a sale at Walmart.  If that's the case, what does anyone really expect to happen when people are starving?  I'm thinking a Mad Max scenario sadly.  Human nature is against us.  Prepare accordingly.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:57 | 1437449 DosZap
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The "City on a Hill", and the "Melting Pot of the World", has been knocked off the hill, and the pot,(because of PC Laws),has become to us the instrument for our destruction.

The percentage of Americans that REALLY care about other Americans is minuscule.

Ethnic hatred, and warring factions, are rampant.

Hyphenated Americanism has killed the Golden Goose.

With a LOT of help from their Progressive friends.

Which these groups thought were/are their friends,only to see in the end they are the tool of their destruction. And likely ours.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:02 | 1437251 camoes
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LinkedIn parabolic move breaking the $100 barrier, short squeeze bitchez! Time to pick this short up...if pandora goes parabolic I'm gonna short that too!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:05 | 1437264 youngman
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"The system is broken and will simply grind on till it can't. All tricks will be used, propaganda, terror, police state, reeducation, but ultimately the ponzi will eat itself and chaos will emerge. Anyone who puts their faith in the American public or the idea that politicians can save them deserve what they will get. Natural selection can be a bitch."

exactly..we all think we can get together and fix this...we can´t..hell..we don´t even know what the scope of the whole problem it only 600 trillion in derivities ...or is it we wait...

and in our weakness....our enemies grow stonger and bolder..and yes we still have enemies..and they will not like what we have done to the world markets and finances..

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 22:48 | 1439029 sgorem
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you're on my "priority read post list" youngman. I appreciate all of your takes on our situation. thanks, and keep 'em coming. sgorem...........

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 03:17 | 1439258 Raymond Reason
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:06 | 1437265 hardcleareye
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"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed."

ABRAHAM LINCOLN,  Nov. 21, 1864

So far, since 1864,  147 years, TPTB have managed to avoid a " systemic devolution/crisis " that results in a "inevitable destabilization".

The question is can they pull a rabbit out of the hat one more time?  It sure will be interesting to watch.


Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:21 | 1437327 youngman
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Was he shot for thinking and writing those thoughts....hmmmm

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:24 | 1437343 Silver Dreamer
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No, he was shot for being a tyrant.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:52 | 1437425 Rossalgondamer
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Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:03 | 1437469 DosZap
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Funny that the one who brought it to that point, was reticent after the fact.

He is the most overated POTUS,and did more,or at least as much damage to America as the FRA 1913.

Once I considered him a hero,no more.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 14:53 | 1437697 Founders Keeper
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[He(Lincoln) is the most overated POTUS...]---DosZap

Hi DosZap.

The more I read about Lincoln, the more I am both impressed and disappointed.

Nevertheless, Lincoln was half the man our Founders be; and half the man of Lincoln, we.

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 16:09 | 1438114 Rossalgondamer
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'We' and Halfmen comments sum Smith up nicely - regarding real disunity is between a doomed status quo and those willing to deal with reality.

-a (full) son of the widow

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 13:57 | 1437451 r101958
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Nope, because this time they can't beat simple geology (finite resources).

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