Guest Post: The Strategic Advantages Of Community Building

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The Strategic Advantages Of Community Building

The year was 2002, and while the majority of
Americans were completely obsessed with the so called “War On Terror”
and other devices of distraction, something much more real and decidedly
prophetic was going on in our southern hemisphere. Argentina
was in the midst of total collapse, driven by banker fraud and extreme
currency devaluation in tandem with government mismanagement and
corruption. First, cities exploded with rioting and violence as Argentinian police and military attempted to crush all dissent. Soon
after, displaced refugees from population centers along with roving
bands of thieves flooded into the countryside, wiping out isolated
farms, murdering families, and hunting down any small group of survivors
weaker than themselves and flush with supplies. The
authorities (and I use the term loosely) were too busy trying to
suppress civil protests to bother protecting those who were caught

This behavior is part and parcel of economic destabilization, regardless of the time or place in which it occurs. Only nine years ago, a very modern and technologically savvy nation of people, nearly cannibalized itself. Those
who survived and thrived did so through family aid and substantial
existing wealth, or, the tactical building of communities for the
purpose of mutual defense and alternative trade. Farmers armed themselves and formed regional groups along with security measures. City dwellers formed neighborhood watches and barter networks when the mainstream economy disappeared. The
bottom line; lone wolves and isolated country families were nothing
more than tempting targets at the onset of the breakdown in Argentina.

I and most other Americans have never personally
lived through such a collapse, though some would be preppers rather
boldly claim to be experts on surviving these specific kinds of
catastrophes. I am not an expert, and neither is anyone else who has not experienced a collapse first hand. However,
we CAN learn from the experiences of experts; those people who lived
through the Great Depression, the Argentina crisis, the implosion of
Bosnia, the breakup of the Soviet Union, the ongoing breakdown in
Greece, etc. We can analyze their successes, and their
failures, and devise solutions based on that which actually WORKED,
instead of the random theories of people who can only guess at what life
is like in the thick of hell.

One solution that has consistently been adopted and
applied by numerous societies across the globe in the face of a stratum
of different calamities is the art of community building. This strategy has proven itself over and over again regardless of catastrophic conditions. It is not theory. It is not debatable. Community
networking has been proven time and again as a means of subsisting
safely during depression, hyperinflation, mass hysteria, despotism,
martial law, and even widespread war. Unfortunately, it is a
methodology that has gone mostly ignored by many Americans, even those
who are well aware of impending economic danger.

Common Oppositions To Community Building

First, we must put to rest those misconceptions
that hinder the development of meaningful defensive community before we
are able to understand the nature of various organizational methods and
their benefits. Let’s examine some often heard arguments against the formation of survival relationships, groups, and focused networks…

1) Other People Aren’t Reliable. I Can Survive Better On My Own…

I’ll be the first to admit that some people are unreliable if not downright pathetic. On
top of this, many in our culture find it necessary to exaggerate their
abilities or their resolve until they are faced with an actual crisis,
and then they fold like a wet blade of grass. Counting on such men is a waste of time and energy, not to mention, dangerous. Certainly,
every prepper should have the ability to make it on his own, at least
for a short time, in a collapse environment, and anyone who does not
have that option is in some serious trouble.

I write a lot about “dangerous assumptions”, almost
to the point of feeling ill, because most if not all of America’s
problems are either caused or exacerbated by them. We presume too much too often, and it always comes back to bite us. Presuming that one will never be forced into a situation where he might have to survive alone for a time is foolish. There is no guarantee that we will always have others to fall back on, or that we will never be driven from our homes. On the other hand, it is equally foolish to presume that you will not face even worse circumstances while you are on your own. Unless
you have the ability to go for weeks without sleep, and to be alert to
every conceivable detail at every conceivable moment, it is insane to
CHOOSE lone wolf survival over community and mutual defense. Its
good to have the ability to go solo, but if you want to actually make
it through a collapse similar to that which occurred in Argentina or
worse, eventually you will have to work with others. This is not my opinion, it is a fact made concrete by numerous economic disasters around the world.

2) Groups Draw Too Much Attention. It’s Better To Keep A “Low Profile”…

I’m not sure where this nonsensical theory came
from, but it definitely didn’t get started by anyone who has actually
lived through economic implosion. The root of this strange
position is that organizing networks of people for trade and for defense
makes you a visible “target” for a corrupt government. At least, that’s the argument. It
may be true that more focused groups of liberty minded people are
indeed placed on lists, and singled out for surveillance or media
ridicule, however, we need to apply some logical thought here.

During an economic collapse, EVERYONE becomes a target. A target of poverty, a target of homelessness and starvation, a target of crime, a target of mass hysteria. Honestly, martial law and despotic politicians are secondary concerns. If
you have no solid community structure to brace against the fiscal
avalanche, then your problems are much larger and more immediate than
any alphabet agency goon squad or military outfit crossing the Rubicon. You, my friend, have no support. You are relying on “luck”. This is pure stupidity.

A strong community rarely attracts antagonism. On the contrary, strong communities dissuade attack, as has been proven in numerous national disasters. The risk of raiding the retreat of one man or one family is negligible compared to the risk of raiding an entire town. Most
criminally minded people (this includes bloodthirsty bureaucrats),
deliberately target the noticeably weak, and avoid any confrontation
that might actually deal them a damaging blow. Believing that one can “hide” until the storm blows over is also a serious stretch. Again, assumptions kill.

Finally, fearing the potential actions of
government so much that we refuse to take meaningful steps to even
protect ourselves is such an affront to the principles of freedom and
liberty that I shudder to imagine what it must be like to be stricken
with such cowardice. The Founding Fathers didn’t sign the Declaration of Independence, “Anonymous”. We should have the same courage to openly organize against those entities and events which aim to harm us. As we like to say here at Alt-Market; grow a pair!

3) I Don’t Have To Organize, I Can Just Leave The Country…

This argument often
includes references to WWII and the flight of more affluent Europeans to
places such as South America and Australia to escape tragedy. First,
let’s be clear; anyone who fields an argument like this must have at
least some means to travel internationally without much warning,
otherwise, they are kidding themselves. Second, they would
have to leave before the crash reaches critical mass, and before
transportation and infrastructure are affected, or they will be trapped
in-country like the rest of us. Finally, I would venture to
ask them where exactly they think they will flee to in order to avoid
the effects of a GLOBAL economic crisis? Only the ASEAN
trading bloc has taken measures to shield itself from both a European
and U.S. financial crash, and those countries have their own problems;
financial and social.

Strangely, I find China is often cited as a possible expatriate escape. If
someone is dense enough to run away from possible totalitarianism in
America just to live under assured totalitarianism in the land of the
CPC, then I say good riddance. You can’t “escape” the destruction of globalization, you can only stand and fight it. All other solutions are a stop-gap at best.

4) There’s No Point In Organizing. We’re All Doomed Anyway…

Ah, the stench of nihilism strikes again! How often do we hear this from day to day? Good
men and women have been confronting tyranny since the dawn of time, for
the betterment of the future, and without fail, there’s always some
group of quivering mental weaklings nearby to assert that “all hope is
lost”. If liberty minded people didn’t pay these whining slugs any attention back then, why should we pay any attention to them today?

The origin of this argument springs from the average nihilist’s underlying feelings of inadequacy. For them, defiance IS impossible, because they lack the backbone and the will needed for success. Unfortunately, nihilists also lack the gumption to admit this to themselves. Thus, to compensate for their failings, they project their weaknesses onto everyone else.

“Surely”, they claim, “If I can’t fight back, then neither can anyone else”. You’ll
find it is common for nihilists to react furiously and melodramatically
when they are confronted with people who have the will to stand firm in
their convictions. Nihilists feel highly threatened by men
with solid character, because their feebleness is made more apparent
when strong personalities are present. They also have a tendency towards eugenics, or overt religious zealotry to the point of obsession with apocalypse or rapture. They
WANT the downfall of humanity, because they feel so isolated by their
own pitiable existence and the desire to be proven correct in their
wretchedness that they would actually be happy to see the end of
millions of lives just to experience a fleeting moment of sour

Trying to speak plainly with anyone who makes this
argument against community building or proactive organization is usually
a waste of time. Most are simply incapable of hearing you…

Methods Of Community Building

Community networking is our best available solution in the wake of inevitable economic chaos. Ending the Fed is a noble goal. Changing government through reform and by running for office should be pursued. Reducing or completely negating the unchecked power of agencies like the DHS, FEMA, the CIA, the ATF, etc, is essential. But, none of these actions will undo the underlying damage to our economy, or prevent a collapse. At
this point, nothing can turn back the tide on the dollar, or our
national debt, and we will see a considerable downturn in markets,
employment, and wages, along with severe inflation in prices. The dam has been broken, and the flood cannot be turned back. This
means that more than ever, we must organize to lessen the injury to
ourselves and each other as much a possible, so that we are better
capable of repairing the damage done later on.

The following are a few different methods for actively constructing community groups and organizations. Some
may fit particular situations more aptly than others, but the point is
to get out of your house, and start meeting others face to face. Without this, there can be no community.

Meet-Up Groups: This is better than nothing. At
the very least, we should be able to find the time to talk with others
of like mind in a neutral setting away from our computers and express
our concerns. Weekly or bi-weekly meetings are a must. Anything less frequent will probably go nowhere. If taken seriously, Meet Up groups can easily develop into the first strides towards real community.

Protest Groups: As I’ve said in the past, street protest alone is not enough to effect positive change. Governments today ignore the will of the people, and assert policy measures without regard for public outcry. However, a protest group could help in initiating wider political action and help build bonds of trust. It is a step in the right direction, but not the end of the journey.

Farmer’s Or Garden Co-ops: Now we’re actually producing something vital; food. This
kind of organization creates tangible safety in the form of commodities
which can cushion communities from hyperinflation or total breakdown. Notice the recent government crackdowns on smaller private farming, private gardens, and even Amish farm goods? Personal food growing and especially organized citizen growing is a threat to establishment and corporate systems. If you are no longer dependent on their food, you are less likely to be swayed or controlled.

Barter Networks: My personal favorite. Barter
networks take farmer’s co-ops and other private entrepreneurial
ventures and form living, breathing economies which decouple from the
mainstream system. Now, not only does your community have
its own food sources, but its own full fledged Alternative Market along
with numerous options for currency and trade. A strong barter network with knowledgeable and skilled participants is like an oasis in the desert of economic disaster. It insulates and protects community, yet it refrains from centralizing or dominating community. Barter networking should be a number one priority for every American today.

Neighborhood Watch: No,
not the kind of neighborhood watch where everyone on the block gets
together for a barbecue and talks in hushed voices about all the devious
criminals you think are hiding behind every neatly trimmed shrub. And, not the kind of neighborhood watch where you call the cops every time you see a car driving slowly down the street. Those types of groups only create paranoia and dependency. A real neighborhood watch is a move towards independence, and self defense. With
municipal investment disintegrating, and states (like Wisconsin) on the
verge of default, you cannot always count on local police to have the
funding or the motivation to help you. Which means, you’ll have to help yourself. This is much easier when the rest of the neighborhood is behind you.

Survival Groups: Prep alone if you must, but build relationships with others if you can. Survival groups allow training with others who may have extensive knowledge in areas you do not. Also,
Survival Groups can share the financial burden of stockpiling goods,
and, they can coordinate the acquisition of supplies so that each person
has less work load to carry in the long term. Hiking, hunting, and trips to the shooting range build team awareness. If
worse comes to worse, and a full spectrum collapse takes place, you
will have an organization of trusted friends with fundamental training
ready to back you up.

State Or County Militias: Yep, I used the “M-word”. Militias
are perhaps the most criticized and demonized community type in
America, and ironically, the only group on this list specifically
mentioned in the Constitution as a national necessity. A
county militia sponsored by a liberty minded sheriff would be the ideal
situation, but this is, of course, not always possible. So, often these groups must form on their own accord without any support from local officials. Militias
are an interesting breed of organization which I have a lot of respect
for, despite the accusations of “domestic extremism”, and here’s why;
militias aren’t just larger survival groups whose only concern is the
extension of their own lives. Most militias very often take responsibility for the protection of the surrounding communities as well. They seek to ensure the safety of others in the event of collapse. This is an honorable endeavor, not “extremism”. The
establishment is so threatened by militias because they supply another
means of defense beyond standing military or law enforcement. Some militia members actually ARE standing military and law enforcement. Bad government needs the masses to remain dependent, or, it loses its source of influence. Militias take away that influence, and so, are constantly and maliciously scrutinized in the media.

Safe Haven States: A
Safe Haven State, or a “Free State”, is a state that has nurtured so
many alternative markets and liberty minded communities that it acts as a
barrier to not only collapse, but also to aggressive and corrupt
government. Today we have the beginnings of several Safe Haven States ready to be cultivated, but not any that could be called full fledged. A
Safe Haven State is Tenth Amendment conscious, supportive of sound
money measures, and restrictive of federal interference in its affairs. Barter networks are a normal part of daily life, and use of Federal Reserve fiat is minimal. It is a community that sets an example for the rest of the country.

Alt-Market and Oath Keepers are nearing launch of a project which we believe will help in the growth of Safe Haven States. The
difference between this and most other communities is that it does not
form through local effort alone, but is populated by independent people
from around the nation seeking a more free way of life. Some areas of the U.S. already have considerable foundations for community, while others are sparse, or unreceptive. Liberty
Movement participants in these places may decide that it is better to
move to a more welcoming and productive environment. Safe Haven States could fulfill this role.

Make It Happen

All community efforts require one thing above all else; initiative. We have to be willing to put in the work. Plain and simple. The
sooner this is done, the sooner we can reap the benefits of insulated
commerce, sound money, mutual defense, and sincere associations and
friendships. The most detrimental failing of the Liberty
Movement today is its propensity for inaction, or the belief that
internet research is “good enough”. Eventually, we will have to leave our comfort zones and do something with what we have learned. That
means setting aside our jobs (which likely won’t exist in a couple
years), our hobbies (which we likely won’t care about in couple of
years), our habits and addictions (which we likely won’t be able to
afford in a couple of years), our financial designs (which will be
laughable in a couple of years), and ignore the skepticism of our
immediate families (who will be thanking us in a couple of years). It means getting our priorities straight. This can be done, by everyone, and it can be done now. All that is required is the resolve to take action, and the determination to see it through.

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cossack55's picture

1. Initial battle position.....check

2. Final redoubt stocked and progress

3. Last accumulation of essentials........  in progress

gettin' there.

Clueless Economist's picture

Keynes does not advocate investing in Guns/Ammo or Gold/Silver


cossack55's picture

You referring to Freddy Keynes who lives down the street? That dope just re-fied again to buy a Volt and Ipad2s for his brats.  His corpse will be one of the first stinkin' up the place (note to self: buy more shovels and lime).

Fish Gone Bad's picture

Rather than just wasting the dead, perhaps a modern day Flanders Fields?  Rather than poppies, everyone can just plant squash and tomatoe seeds.

FeralSerf's picture

". . . tomatoe seeds."

That you Mr. Danforth "potatoe" Quale?

carbonmutant's picture

Bullets are currency. Spend them wisely...

Weisbrot's picture

the government has the military

the government has the police


the police take away peoples cameras  


the government has the healthcare (0bamacare)

the government ignores the constitution

the government may be the terrorists


Fish Gone Bad's picture

I guess now is a pretty good time to "get healthy" and lose a few pounds. 

Buzz Fuzzel's picture

Or you could just wait.  It is much easier to loose weight when you have to fight for your food.

fockewulf190's picture

Indeed, that fat may end up being the emergency energy source for millions.

1100-TACTICAL-12's picture

OT: I need to sell some silver in the next couple of weeks. Are we going higher or is another slapdown on the way? YHO is appericated...

Shell Game's picture

The guy I follow has been spot on over the last three years he's been on my radar. He doesn't claim to have a crystal ball but says signs are pointing to a slap down late summer/fall. Rocket fuel resumes into 2012.

DeadFred's picture

MHO is higher. I'm betting we break above the current range and start climbing again. We'll know at $39. Yesterday I changed my paper trades from trying to play the range with tight stops to a long position with loose stops. Of course I have to emphasize the H part of MHO.

Confucious 222's picture

Silver is headed MUCH MUCH MUCH higher; so if you need to sell, take your time, and don't be thinking about buying it back cheaper, as that scenario is not in the script. 

IMHO of course.

scatterbrains's picture

Backyard root crops bitches!

pupton's picture

By "root crops" do you mean potatos and carrots, etc.?  (check)  Where I am potatos grow like perrenial weeds.  Plant them once and you have a crop forever...damn, this math quesiton is hard...uhhh (-16) minus ___ equals three.  Crap got it wrong.

Jimmy Carter was right's picture

I believe he does, the equivalent of a 1oz eagle coin investment in seed saves me enough on food to buy 10oz of coin

papaswamp's picture

I think Katrina gave the country a mini taste of this. I agree completely strength in numbers is the key. A semi alternative underground economy does exist with flea markets, craigslist, barter groups and freecycle groups.

Things though will have to get much worse before the masses riot. Cable gets cut off and fast food starts flowing then maybe we will see people take to the streets.

snowball777's picture

You think the lights will still be on in an economic collapse (to run your computer, to browse craiglist...)?

And I think you meant fast food stops flowing.

papaswamp's picture

Yes I did mean stops...the edit button vanished.

I was referring to present underground economy, not one in economic collapse. 

EFNuttin's picture

We just went through a good dose of "Hurricane Katrina" here in Alabama.  A 195mph tornado destroyed about 20 percent of the 4th largest city in the state.  Lessons learned: 1) The looting started before the tornado was out of earshot.  2) Everyone I have spoken with since the tornado experienced looting first-hand (including me).  If anyone was shot for it, the press covered it up.  3) The local press was complicit with the local government in "keeping things calm".  They reported only 16 people arrested for looting.  A friend told me in one town, the cops were forbidden from interfering with probable looting.  It took the National Guard rolling in to finally drop the looting to a trickle.  4) Official death toll here is 44, but a careful reading of how this was computed reveals it is meaningless.  Most of the first responders I worked with during the first 24 hours agreed the real toll was around 150 to 200.  Keeping the death toll down has prevented an outcry for more tornado shelters in the future.  5)  The local builders are caught in the middle because if they wanted to rebuild with lots of shelters, those shelters have to meet FEMA standards, so they cost a minimum of $5000 apiece.  In one rural county of Alabama (Fayette), they got community shelters built a few years ago, but the doors weren't big enough for wheelchairs, so the shelters are padlocked, waiting for the contractor to fix them to FEMA standards.  Some good ol' boys buried retired church vans and buses using those as effective tornado shelters, and they didn't cost nearly $5000.  6) The water supply got questionable and boiling was recommended due to extended power outages.  7)  People nearest the tornado's path were without electric power for weeks, phone and internet as well.  8)  Still looks like a war zone here.  9) President Obama and Governor Bentley came to visit within two days after the tornado and it doesn't seem to have made a lot of difference.  10) The thing that got people through was helping their neighbors and being helped in return.  "It's 95 degrees, I have some ice if you want some.  Great, here's an extra generator I picked up so you can keep the box fans running in your house."  And so on.  11)  I knew my neighbors fairly well before the tornado and a lot better since then.  I only was without electricity for 36 hours and not so much as a tree limb down in my entire neighborhood.  12) The land line phone service from AT&T failed after about 16 hours as there weren't enough electric generators connected to the phone switch centers.  An AT&T repair guy told me they needed about 10X as many generators as they usually do after a tornado.  13)  All the economic activity of rebuilding is providing lots of cleanup and construction work so GDP impact will look great.  May as well break all your windows and replace them as an economic stimulus.

BigJim's picture

Thanks for the post.

I've googled (and altavista'd) around for some links to the FEMA-related closure of community shelters due to their door width; can you give any external links?

tradewithdave's picture

Sounds like you've been following Marcus Raskin again.  Check out Common Security Clubs, Yes magazine, etc. if you want to see something really scary.

What's incredibly ironic about all this is that Sarah Bloom Raskin (Marcus daughter) is now on the board of the Federal Reserve courtesy of President Obama.

Dave Harrison

Weisbrot's picture

social security = government ponzi scheme

too many taxes being misspent abroad

too many taxes being misspent at home

taxes are balanced on the working classes

employers of the working class are being over regulated

democracy without liberty is tyranny

USSR = USSA its seems to be only a matter of time


AnAnonymous's picture

Arent gang enough as communauties building?

knowless's picture

yes, gangs are generally a response to a governments inability to provide for a population, and are in themselves the start of a new government.

Vergeltung's picture

good read. there is a natural tug between building alliances and keeping OPSEC. hard to negotiate that line successfully, IMO.


but, good points all around. nice post.

White.Star.Line's picture

Definitely hard to build alliances, especially to deal with the outcome of a failing system that nobody believes is failing.

Shell Game's picture

Indeed. I've had good luck building like-minded alliances online, very little luck in actual locale. 

A Lunatic's picture

So you'll be bugging in with a couple of twelve year old Nintendo assassins and an ex Navy cook who washed out from EOD?

jack stephan's picture

Bluto: Hey! What's all this laying around stuff? Why are you all still laying around here for?
Stork: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron? We're all expelled. There's nothing to fight for anymore.
D-Day: [to Bluto] Let it go. War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.

Sudden Debt's picture

You Americans have so much firepower distributed amongst the citizens, that if this would ever happen, the US would turn into the Wild Wild Wild Wild Wild West again.


Weisbrot's picture


citizens arent issued gun permits and criminals dont care about permits.


the government is selling guns to mexican drug cartels.


hitler was a national socialist just like the current folks running the USSA today

what do you expect............


better learn to like it..............





Urban Redneck's picture

Most US citizens (at the State level) are eligible for gun permits, and generally speaking a permit is only needed for carrying a gun in public (open carry vs. concealed carry is another issue), as opposed to ownership.  It gets complicated when crossing State lines (since there are 50 sets laws about where and how guns can be carried, and varying reciprocity between different States' permits).  A fair amount of education/research is required but the alternative is making it too easy for idiots, or actually cleaning up the overbearing US regulatory framework...

Thisson's picture

You should see how difficult it is to get a gun license here in NYC.

It's also > $400 just for the permit.

pupton's picture

Hey Urban, I think you're from my "neck" of the woods.  Virginia has great (permissive) gun laws and for $50 everyone that owns a pistol in VA should have the CCP. 

I don't often carry, but if I need to I know I can without a legal issue.  It's good in North Carolina too, which allows me to carry when I'm on vacation.  Plus the permit allows carry in national parks and while hunting. 

What you also need is a nice little gun for when you leave the house.  I got a couple of Ruger LCPs for warm weather carry and a Sig 229 for when I can wear more clothing.  (Get a Mossberg 500 for in the house)

TBT or not TBT's picture

I carried a p229 in summer and winter in Texas for five years, just about everywhere it wasn't illegal to, and no one noticed it, outside of a slip or two like when bending to reflate a tire or reaching for something high at Home Depot, and in no Texas...did this create a problem. Oddly a very slim sig p232 got spotted numerous times, carried in the same way in the same variety of places, despite taking, or so I thought, the same level of care. The p232 was meant to be the summer carry piece but it turns out the higher capacity harder hitting p229 in .357sig could be carried year round.

Urban Redneck's picture

I was born on NE side of State and moved to the SW, before relocating to Switzerland, as much as a suitcase dweller can actually lives in a single location.  When I'm in VA I don't step onto the back deck for a cigarette without wearing one of my 1911s, but it is more habit and intentional discipline than any possibility of threat in the location.  I didn't realize just how many people have become so lazy that they don't practice the basic art of sitting down, as opposed to dropping their ass in a chair or couch, until I started carrying daily.

I've heard some good things about the LCP and borrowed a couple on the firing line, but I have had a collection KelTec P3ATs for backup since before Ruger introduced the model.  Both the LCP and P3AT are difficult guns to shoot well, and I say that as someone whose primary sidearm started its life as a Kimber Ultra RCP, so I practice regularly with a gun that basically doesn't have sights.  Pat Goodale offers some good training programs that include backup firearms just across the WV border.  The prices are actually better than the larger training school/factories, but the courses tend to fill up well in advance, but if you sign up to practice the Mossberg, invest in a Knoxx stock, it doesn't take very many one-arm-weak-side-slug-shots without one to make one at ten times the price seem like a steal.

EFNuttin's picture

In Alabama you pay $20 per year, there is a background check for the initial permit application, and there is zero training or knowledge requirements.  It's way more libertarian than what I experienced in Texas.  After the tornadoes, everyone, cops included, just assumed people were packing, legally or otherwise.  Folks were pretty polite, especially with all the Alabama National Guard around packing M-4's and grenade launchers(!) to intimidate potential looters.  There were a lot of hand painted signs around "You loot, we shoot", but I didn't hear of any actual incidents.  I have seen estimates that the USA has about 150 - 200 million privately owned firearms.  "Freakonomics" states that a child is 100X more likely to be killed by a swimming pool than by a gun in the USA.  If we fall into another Great Depression with the end of fiat money, I don't expect a lot of shootings since it's like the Cold War with all the weapons around already.  In New Orleans, spontaneous citizen militias patrolled neighborhoods after Hurricane Katrina to keep the looters away.  I recommend a 12-gauge pump shotgun with 00-buckshot for such duty.  It's worth about 4 pistols in a firefight and the sound of pumping it can often help "cooler heads prevail" before things come to blows at all.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Well "An armed society is a polite society" (-Heinlein, PBUH) and disarmed France is a rude, disagreable society. No wonder Sudden Debt assumes the wild west would result from everyone being armed.

But we also have his type here in America, even in Texas for example, where the "wild west" argument was bandied about everyone opposed to the Concealed Carry licensing program before it was voted into law, including numerous law enforcement personalities. Pretty much all of the latter recanted and are very supportive of the program, based on its results.

FYI in Texas, to visit the State Capitol building, in session or out, you have to go through a metal detector and have your stuff subject to search...unless you are a CHL holder, in which case you skip the queue, walk AROUND the metal detector and merely show your license to the deputy there, otherwise untrammeled. From there you can go to the senate or house or legislators offices carrying your pistol, a round in the chamber if you fancy, and as many high capacity mags as you see fit. This state of affairs was legislated by the legislators exposed to Texas CHL's Sigs, 1911's, Berettas, Glocks, S&W's, whatever they their offices and in and out of session. It is kind of cool. I took my sister in law from IRAN on a visit while the house was in session packing my P229 and 23 doses of felon repellant like it was natural right. IMHO it is a natural right.

A Lunatic's picture

So........where do I get my freedom of speech permit? How about my right to due process permit? Maybe a protection from unreasonable search and seizure permit?

BigJim's picture

They're like Rolls Royces; if you have to ask, you probably can't afford them.

Dreadker's picture

The wickedy-wild-wild-west?  Don't tell me Will Smith is gonna be running all over the shop rapping about cowboys again lol

TaxSlave's picture

The Wild Wild West is infinitely preferable to early 1930's Ukraine.  That firepower is intended to prevent such victimization.  Nothing like an Equalizer to keep things polite.

Sudden Debt's picture

 That firepower is intended to prevent such victimization

I see....


So in any discussion it goes a bit like this where you live:



a bit like the cold war where both sides have guns...

and to much whiskey...

and a countryside temperament...



Guns don't kill people right? It's the impact of the bullet that does that...

I don't think everybody should be able to buy guns.

Why don't people need to visit a shrink before they can buy one?


Shell Game's picture

The imperial conditioning is strong in this one.. 

SoNH80's picture

He's Belgian, I believe.  Ground Zero for Euro-Wankery, and the Playground of Empires.