Guest Post: The Strategic Advantages Of Community Building

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Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:14 | 1451265 cossack55
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1. Initial battle position.....check

2. Final redoubt stocked and prepared......in progress

3. Last accumulation of essentials........  in progress

gettin' there.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:32 | 1451316 Clueless Economist
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Keynes does not advocate investing in Guns/Ammo or Gold/Silver

 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:53 | 1451373 cossack55
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You referring to Freddy Keynes who lives down the street? That dope just re-fied again to buy a Volt and Ipad2s for his brats.  His corpse will be one of the first stinkin' up the place (note to self: buy more shovels and lime).

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:57 | 1451713 Fish Gone Bad
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Rather than just wasting the dead, perhaps a modern day Flanders Fields?  Rather than poppies, everyone can just plant squash and tomatoe seeds.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:34 | 1451999 FeralSerf
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". . . tomatoe seeds."

That you Mr. Danforth "potatoe" Quale?

http://www.capitalcentury.com/1992.html

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:44 | 1452069 carbonmutant
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Bullets are currency. Spend them wisely...

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:18 | 1451278 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Terrorist groups.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:15 | 1451312 Weisbrot
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the government has the military

the government has the police

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBxj47MxHDg&NR=1

the police take away peoples cameras  

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR-UOmo8FLA&feature=related

the government has the healthcare (0bamacare)

the government ignores the constitution

the government may be the terrorists

 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:59 | 1451739 Fish Gone Bad
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I guess now is a pretty good time to "get healthy" and lose a few pounds. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:24 | 1451920 Buzz Fuzzel
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Or you could just wait.  It is much easier to loose weight when you have to fight for your food.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:30 | 1452395 fockewulf190
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Indeed, that fat may end up being the emergency energy source for millions.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:34 | 1451320 1100-TACTICAL-12
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OT: I need to sell some silver in the next couple of weeks. Are we going higher or is another slapdown on the way? YHO is appericated...

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:16 | 1451469 Shell Game
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The guy I follow has been spot on over the last three years he's been on my radar. He doesn't claim to have a crystal ball but says signs are pointing to a slap down late summer/fall. Rocket fuel resumes into 2012.

http://www.biiwii.blogspot.com/

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:20 | 1451489 DeadFred
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MHO is higher. I'm betting we break above the current range and start climbing again. We'll know at $39. Yesterday I changed my paper trades from trying to play the range with tight stops to a long position with loose stops. Of course I have to emphasize the H part of MHO.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:57 | 1451706 Confucious 222
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Silver is headed MUCH MUCH MUCH higher; so if you need to sell, take your time, and don't be thinking about buying it back cheaper, as that scenario is not in the script. 

IMHO of course.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:19 | 1451283 scatterbrains
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Backyard root crops bitches!

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:08 | 1451812 Jimmy Carter wa...
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FNA!

 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:28 | 1451947 pupton
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By "root crops" do you mean potatos and carrots, etc.?  (check)  Where I am potatos grow like perrenial weeds.  Plant them once and you have a crop forever...damn, this math quesiton is hard...uhhh (-16) minus ___ equals three.  Crap got it wrong.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 20:53 | 1454435 Jimmy Carter wa...
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I believe he does, the equivalent of a 1oz eagle coin investment in seed saves me enough on food to buy 10oz of coin

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:20 | 1451286 papaswamp
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I think Katrina gave the country a mini taste of this. I agree completely strength in numbers is the key. A semi alternative underground economy does exist with flea markets, craigslist, barter groups and freecycle groups.

Things though will have to get much worse before the masses riot. Cable gets cut off and fast food starts flowing then maybe we will see people take to the streets.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:37 | 1451331 snowball777
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You think the lights will still be on in an economic collapse (to run your computer, to browse craiglist...)?

And I think you meant fast food stops flowing.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:27 | 1451525 papaswamp
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Yes I did mean stops...the edit button vanished.

I was referring to present underground economy, not one in economic collapse. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:43 | 1451595 EFNuttin
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We just went through a good dose of "Hurricane Katrina" here in Alabama.  A 195mph tornado destroyed about 20 percent of the 4th largest city in the state.  Lessons learned: 1) The looting started before the tornado was out of earshot.  2) Everyone I have spoken with since the tornado experienced looting first-hand (including me).  If anyone was shot for it, the press covered it up.  3) The local press was complicit with the local government in "keeping things calm".  They reported only 16 people arrested for looting.  A friend told me in one town, the cops were forbidden from interfering with probable looting.  It took the National Guard rolling in to finally drop the looting to a trickle.  4) Official death toll here is 44, but a careful reading of how this was computed reveals it is meaningless.  Most of the first responders I worked with during the first 24 hours agreed the real toll was around 150 to 200.  Keeping the death toll down has prevented an outcry for more tornado shelters in the future.  5)  The local builders are caught in the middle because if they wanted to rebuild with lots of shelters, those shelters have to meet FEMA standards, so they cost a minimum of $5000 apiece.  In one rural county of Alabama (Fayette), they got community shelters built a few years ago, but the doors weren't big enough for wheelchairs, so the shelters are padlocked, waiting for the contractor to fix them to FEMA standards.  Some good ol' boys buried retired church vans and buses using those as effective tornado shelters, and they didn't cost nearly $5000.  6) The water supply got questionable and boiling was recommended due to extended power outages.  7)  People nearest the tornado's path were without electric power for weeks, phone and internet as well.  8)  Still looks like a war zone here.  9) President Obama and Governor Bentley came to visit within two days after the tornado and it doesn't seem to have made a lot of difference.  10) The thing that got people through was helping their neighbors and being helped in return.  "It's 95 degrees, I have some ice if you want some.  Great, here's an extra generator I picked up so you can keep the box fans running in your house."  And so on.  11)  I knew my neighbors fairly well before the tornado and a lot better since then.  I only was without electricity for 36 hours and not so much as a tree limb down in my entire neighborhood.  12) The land line phone service from AT&T failed after about 16 hours as there weren't enough electric generators connected to the phone switch centers.  An AT&T repair guy told me they needed about 10X as many generators as they usually do after a tornado.  13)  All the economic activity of rebuilding is providing lots of cleanup and construction work so GDP impact will look great.  May as well break all your windows and replace them as an economic stimulus.

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 07:28 | 1476410 BigJim
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Thanks for the post.

I've googled (and altavista'd) around for some links to the FEMA-related closure of community shelters due to their door width; can you give any external links?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:20 | 1451287 tradewithdave
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Sounds like you've been following Marcus Raskin again.  Check out Common Security Clubs, Yes magazine, etc. if you want to see something really scary. 

http://civic.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?action_id=245

What's incredibly ironic about all this is that Sarah Bloom Raskin (Marcus daughter) is now on the board of the Federal Reserve courtesy of President Obama.   

http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/bios/board/raskin.htm

Dave Harrison

www.tradewithdave.com

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:23 | 1451296 Weisbrot
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social security = government ponzi scheme

too many taxes being misspent abroad

too many taxes being misspent at home

taxes are balanced on the working classes

employers of the working class are being over regulated

democracy without liberty is tyranny

USSR = USSA its seems to be only a matter of time

 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:25 | 1451303 AnAnonymous
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Arent gang enough as communauties building?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 15:26 | 1453165 knowless
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yes, gangs are generally a response to a governments inability to provide for a population, and are in themselves the start of a new government.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:25 | 1451304 Vergeltung
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good read. there is a natural tug between building alliances and keeping OPSEC. hard to negotiate that line successfully, IMO.

 

but, good points all around. nice post.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:36 | 1451326 White.Star.Line
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Definitely hard to build alliances, especially to deal with the outcome of a failing system that nobody believes is failing.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:10 | 1451442 Shell Game
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Indeed. I've had good luck building like-minded alliances online, very little luck in actual locale. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 11:55 | 1463635 A Lunatic
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So you'll be bugging in with a couple of twelve year old Nintendo assassins and an ex Navy cook who washed out from EOD?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:27 | 1451306 jack stephan
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Bluto: Hey! What's all this laying around stuff? Why are you all still laying around here for?
Stork: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron? We're all expelled. There's nothing to fight for anymore.
D-Day: [to Bluto] Let it go. War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: [to Boon] Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:29 | 1451310 Sudden Debt
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You Americans have so much firepower distributed amongst the citizens, that if this would ever happen, the US would turn into the Wild Wild Wild Wild Wild West again.

 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:40 | 1451325 Weisbrot
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citizens arent issued gun permits and criminals dont care about permits.

 

the government is selling guns to mexican drug cartels.

 

hitler was a national socialist just like the current folks running the USSA today

what do you expect............

 

better learn to like it..............

 

 

 

 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:44 | 1451602 Urban Redneck
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Most US citizens (at the State level) are eligible for gun permits, and generally speaking a permit is only needed for carrying a gun in public (open carry vs. concealed carry is another issue), as opposed to ownership.  It gets complicated when crossing State lines (since there are 50 sets laws about where and how guns can be carried, and varying reciprocity between different States' permits).  A fair amount of education/research is required but the alternative is making it too easy for idiots, or actually cleaning up the overbearing US regulatory framework...

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:24 | 1451914 Thisson
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You should see how difficult it is to get a gun license here in NYC.

It's also > $400 just for the permit.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:35 | 1452008 pupton
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Hey Urban, I think you're from my "neck" of the woods.  Virginia has great (permissive) gun laws and for $50 everyone that owns a pistol in VA should have the CCP. 

I don't often carry, but if I need to I know I can without a legal issue.  It's good in North Carolina too, which allows me to carry when I'm on vacation.  Plus the permit allows carry in national parks and while hunting. 

What you also need is a nice little gun for when you leave the house.  I got a couple of Ruger LCPs for warm weather carry and a Sig 229 for when I can wear more clothing.  (Get a Mossberg 500 for in the house)

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 17:37 | 1453744 TBT or not TBT
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I carried a p229 in summer and winter in Texas for five years, just about everywhere it wasn't illegal to, and no one noticed it, outside of a slip or two like when bending to reflate a tire or reaching for something high at Home Depot, and in no case...in Texas...did this create a problem. Oddly a very slim sig p232 got spotted numerous times, carried in the same way in the same variety of places, despite taking, or so I thought, the same level of care. The p232 was meant to be the summer carry piece but it turns out the higher capacity harder hitting p229 in .357sig could be carried year round.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 06:03 | 1455282 Urban Redneck
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I was born on NE side of State and moved to the SW, before relocating to Switzerland, as much as a suitcase dweller can actually lives in a single location.  When I'm in VA I don't step onto the back deck for a cigarette without wearing one of my 1911s, but it is more habit and intentional discipline than any possibility of threat in the location.  I didn't realize just how many people have become so lazy that they don't practice the basic art of sitting down, as opposed to dropping their ass in a chair or couch, until I started carrying daily.

I've heard some good things about the LCP and borrowed a couple on the firing line, but I have had a collection KelTec P3ATs for backup since before Ruger introduced the model.  Both the LCP and P3AT are difficult guns to shoot well, and I say that as someone whose primary sidearm started its life as a Kimber Ultra RCP, so I practice regularly with a gun that basically doesn't have sights.  Pat Goodale offers some good training programs that include backup firearms just across the WV border.  The prices are actually better than the larger training school/factories, but the courses tend to fill up well in advance, but if you sign up to practice the Mossberg, invest in a Knoxx stock, it doesn't take very many one-arm-weak-side-slug-shots without one to make one at ten times the price seem like a steal.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 12:47 | 1452480 EFNuttin
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In Alabama you pay $20 per year, there is a background check for the initial permit application, and there is zero training or knowledge requirements.  It's way more libertarian than what I experienced in Texas.  After the tornadoes, everyone, cops included, just assumed people were packing, legally or otherwise.  Folks were pretty polite, especially with all the Alabama National Guard around packing M-4's and grenade launchers(!) to intimidate potential looters.  There were a lot of hand painted signs around "You loot, we shoot", but I didn't hear of any actual incidents.  I have seen estimates that the USA has about 150 - 200 million privately owned firearms.  "Freakonomics" states that a child is 100X more likely to be killed by a swimming pool than by a gun in the USA.  If we fall into another Great Depression with the end of fiat money, I don't expect a lot of shootings since it's like the Cold War with all the weapons around already.  In New Orleans, spontaneous citizen militias patrolled neighborhoods after Hurricane Katrina to keep the looters away.  I recommend a 12-gauge pump shotgun with 00-buckshot for such duty.  It's worth about 4 pistols in a firefight and the sound of pumping it can often help "cooler heads prevail" before things come to blows at all.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 17:26 | 1453695 TBT or not TBT
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Well "An armed society is a polite society" (-Heinlein, PBUH) and disarmed France is a rude, disagreable society. No wonder Sudden Debt assumes the wild west would result from everyone being armed.

But we also have his type here in America, even in Texas for example, where the "wild west" argument was bandied about everyone opposed to the Concealed Carry licensing program before it was voted into law, including numerous law enforcement personalities. Pretty much all of the latter recanted and are very supportive of the program, based on its results.

FYI in Texas, to visit the State Capitol building, in session or out, you have to go through a metal detector and have your stuff subject to search...unless you are a CHL holder, in which case you skip the queue, walk AROUND the metal detector and merely show your license to the deputy there, otherwise untrammeled. From there you can go to the senate or house or legislators offices carrying your pistol, a round in the chamber if you fancy, and as many high capacity mags as you see fit. This state of affairs was legislated by the legislators exposed to Texas CHL's Sigs, 1911's, Berettas, Glocks, S&W's, whatever they carry...in their offices and in and out of session. It is kind of cool. I took my sister in law from IRAN on a visit while the house was in session packing my P229 and 23 doses of felon repellant like it was natural right. IMHO it is a natural right.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 12:04 | 1463667 A Lunatic
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So........where do I get my freedom of speech permit? How about my right to due process permit? Maybe a protection from unreasonable search and seizure permit?

Thu, 07/21/2011 - 16:13 | 1478524 BigJim
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They're like Rolls Royces; if you have to ask, you probably can't afford them.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:37 | 1451332 Dreadker
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The wickedy-wild-wild-west?  Don't tell me Will Smith is gonna be running all over the shop rapping about cowboys again lol

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 09:47 | 1451360 TaxSlave
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The Wild Wild West is infinitely preferable to early 1930's Ukraine.  That firepower is intended to prevent such victimization.  Nothing like an Equalizer to keep things polite.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:04 | 1451379 Sudden Debt
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 That firepower is intended to prevent such victimization

I see....

 

So in any discussion it goes a bit like this where you live:

HERE'S A GUN FOR EACH OF YOU AND A BOX OF AMMO! NOW TALK OVER THIS PROBLEMS LIKE GROWNUPS DO!

yes...

a bit like the cold war where both sides have guns...

and to much whiskey...

and a countryside temperament...

...

yes...

Guns don't kill people right? It's the impact of the bullet that does that...

I don't think everybody should be able to buy guns.

Why don't people need to visit a shrink before they can buy one?

 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:08 | 1451429 Shell Game
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The imperial conditioning is strong in this one.. 

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 10:32 | 1451546 Clay Hill
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*shrugs*

He's French.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 11:16 | 1451878 SoNH80
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He's Belgian, I believe.  Ground Zero for Euro-Wankery, and the Playground of Empires.

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