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Guest Post: Students - You Are Exploited Debt-Serfs

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Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:58 | 1161801 hugovanderbubble
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MuniBonds CDS ready to get long...

 

Most of US states runs under default mode...but who cares...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:08 | 1162074 jus_lite_reading
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When I was earning my masters many moons ago... there was no such thing as student debt, let alone 90% of the nation being underwater.Muni CDS are troublesome. Danger ahead for sure.

Good thing... things are speeding up in Japan.

http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/2011/04/economic-fallout-from-japans.html

The sooner QE3-infinium comes along the sooner the banksters get pushed out.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 21:00 | 1163650 morkov
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i hope educational inflation wipes out fashionable teaching trades from teenagers-internationale curriculum

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:58 | 1161802 Beam Me Up Scotty
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To top it off, said students like to run around and protect said system. Look at Madison.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:39 | 1161951 Fred Hayek
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Yup. It's like the Stockholm Syndrome, for god's sake.  I remember when I was in high school and college, I regarded all my teachers and professors and the administrations of which they were a part as vaguely my enemies.  I had no illusions that they *all* deeply cared about me and my education.  They were in it for the money at least as much.  Somehow these nitwits now are naive to the point of lacking sentience.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 20:55 | 1163639 Zero Govt
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Student brains as soft as shit? ...that's exactly what a State education is designed for

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:58 | 1161805 AldoHux_IV
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Morally latent and rapacious is how to describe not only this scam, but the scam that has become the democratic process and policymaking in this fucked country.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:14 | 1161843 Popo
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Yet another example of how government assistance *always* leads to higher prices.   Homes, education,  etc.

Helping people 'borrow' money they don't have to be able to 'afford' something simply drives the price higher.  It's so painfully obvious that it's excruciating to listen to politicians talk about "assistance".

The only game in town in America is debt.   Debt, debt, debt.   Housing, credit cards, education.   The creation of demand that would not otherwise exist.   Artificial stimulation of the overall economy, and serfdom for the suckers.

If you play the game you lose.   Do not, under any circumstances play the game.. unless you plan to default.  In which case:  You win.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:58 | 1161809 gordengeko
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"Challenging the myths of modern schooling"

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

Alex Jones also had a good segment on our education system not too long ago.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1161925 NotApplicable
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Thanks to Mr. Gatto, I was convinced to overcome my inertia and pull my kids out of school.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 15:11 | 1162626 -Michelle-
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Thanks to Mr. Gatto, our kids will never darken the doorsteps of a school.

I'm always amused when people say that they'd homeschool if their local school was bad but their school is one of the good ones.  I don't even bother trying to discuss the idea that the entire system is a trap, "good " school or "bad" school.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:03 | 1162810 RockyRacoon
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I think you just described the political situation as well.  My Senator is great, but yours sucks.  So, I'm gonna keep voting for my crook.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 09:49 | 1164870 -Michelle-
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I think you are correct, sir.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:42 | 1161960 Fred Hayek
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I've got one of his books.  It's really eye opening stuff.  Imagine the shock of the educational establishment when they gave him some sort of teacher of the year award and they subsequently realized that he's against the whole pathetic edifice.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:51 | 1162262 slaughterer
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The above sounds a little like a Steve Eisman presentation about reasons for shorting the for-profit colleges.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:09 | 1162070 velobabe
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Truthdig -Why the Unnited States is destroying its educational system , chris hedges. 4/10/11

http://www.truthdig.com/report/print/why_the_united_states_is_destroying...

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:15 | 1162099 gordengeko
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“The greatest evil perpetrated,” Hannah Arendt wrote, “is the evil committed by nobodies, that is, by human beings who refuse to be persons.”

Great quote by a German Jew.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:47 | 1162250 tamboo
Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:31 | 1162920 forexskin
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+1

also try:

 

http://www.indoctrinate-u.com/intro/

 

it made the rounds at my step daughters U, and she gets it on the debt thing - finally.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:02 | 1161812 NOTW777
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worse than the debt and cost is the brainwashing and indoctrination

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1161881 Holodomor2012
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+1

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:20 | 1161889 indognito
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Right on. Way too much institutionalized thought is instilled and not enough critical-thinking development.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:43 | 1161965 j0nx
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Ahh the hallowed halls of higher education where liberalism takes its root and starts to sprout. Pretty much any job beyond grocery boy or cart wrangler at Walmart requires a college degree these days though so you are forced to play their game unless you are independently wealthy or don't mind asking people if they want paper or plastic.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:03 | 1161815 4xaddict
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Doesn't U Phoenix only graduate 10% of students because most are online courses people complete along with their other work commitments and also just those wanting to try something new.

The entry requirements being so comparatively low are always going to attract many more of these kinds of students than Ivy Leagues where those who "really" want to study have had to jump through hoops already to show their commitment levels.

It's like drawing comparison gyms and saying they are a rip off because so few of their clients end up sticking with it and getting fit etc.

I would be interested to see how a serious private university's graduation numbers stack up compared to a faux-university like U Phoenix.

CHS' work normally always timely and informative but sensationalizing things like this just detracts from the overall content. Sounds more like a general gripe than a serious issue.

There is little doubt a very heavy debt burden laboured onto new grads in the US however it's partly the responsibility of the student and parents to weigh up the costs vs the career benefits at the time surely. We can't hand feed every decision to people.

There is reality and it lies somewhere in between this article and the current system imho.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:10 | 1161841 bob_dabolina
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University of Phoenix is not a college.

You will never convince me that it is equivalent to a college education.

A trained gerbal can get a degree from UoP

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:28 | 1161909 I am Jobe
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Educations no matter where you get it from is becoming useless. Pile on debt is the only thing folks will have to show for. The propganda machine continues. UOP at least provides a education for folks who think they want to advance albeit things whih I do nto agree with and what makes other instituitions  great, Professors who has been in teaching all of their lives? So in essence a text book problem solving world. Great more idiots in the making.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:08 | 1162065 4xaddict
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Most of the decent content you can get from the web for nothing and encourages people to all think they're arm chair experts however society is missing the key ingredient in any solid education - what to do when things go wrong rather than how to theorize about the most efficient ways to achieve synergies according to Professor Wankmasters laws of business.

Text books all seem to be missing the troubleshooting guide for when things don't go as planned.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:11 | 1161846 Shameful
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Even public state university have a horrid graduation level.  I attended Party State and I believe at the time I believe was running a smooth 41% graduation percentage.  Since been gone a few years looks like my alma matter has DOUBLED instate tuition prices, not bad for being gone 3 years...friends telling me they are set for another big rise in the 20% ballpark this next year to.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:05 | 1162053 pan-the-ist
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Public state universities have a horrid graduation level because every soccer mom thinks their child needs to be college educated.

The college system in this country is in a bubble because there are a lot of unprepared adult-sized children who attend classes there.

If you send your little irresponsible idiot to college, the college will be happy to take your money and present information to them, but don't blame the college when little Johny fails to take responsibility for his education.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:08 | 1162077 4xaddict
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people blindly think that education means a safe secure future however they never seem to do the research into demographics and growth in the sectors they are considering studying.

People have forgotten how to think for themselves.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:22 | 1162136 pan-the-ist
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Exactly - who's responsibility is it to tell the student there are no jobs in elementary education, but that's a hell of a decision to make and a large sunk cost.

The problem, as I see it, is that kids are swept into college after high school.  Most of them should spend some time in the real world before they go, so they know why they are there.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 14:10 | 1162350 andybev01
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Not every baby is an 'Einstein', people.

That goes for yours as well.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:36 | 1162917 RockyRacoon
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Trade schools!   See what a plumber, heat/air, painter, sheet metals, trim carpenter, brick/stone/tile setter, electrician, mechanic, or a welder is paid.  And I don't mean the union guys.   Local fellas who show up, do the job, get paid, and feed their families.   They do quite well and are the real backbone of the labor force.   I have had a real estate broker license since the mid 1970s and had an HVACR license for many years.   The building downturn has made a lot of the less skilled workers, or less savvy business oriented, hit the pavement; but the real pros always have work (or can go where the work is).  I've worked with a lot of these fine guys (and women) and they are our national treasures.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 16:58 | 1163017 ElvisDog
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Part of that is because of the monolithic propaganda from Obama all the way down how the only road to success in America is through a college education. Probably 99% of parents and their children believe this meme.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:01 | 1161820 RobotTrader
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Hilarious how the most resilient stocks today are the "Metrosexuals":

ANF

SBUX

WFMI

That basket of stocks must be the "Trade of the Decade" plays.

Plus, they are Fed-sponsored and TPTB-supported.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:09 | 1161832 Richard Head
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Let's see you post some evidence of an actual trade, just one.  Otherwise all your posts are full of shit.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:13 | 1161857 Mises
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FSG...there's your trade

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:41 | 1161957 topcallingtroll
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I post numbers with my trades. I have given robo the benefit of the doubt for too long. I am quite positive he.doesnt make a living day trading like he claimed. He should put up numbers like me.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:07 | 1161834 anony
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That's it?

No seriously endowed femme fatales?

And WFMI is not a metrosensual institution.  Their Asian pears, coupled with a bottle of their eau de vin, and steeenky fromages, is to die for.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:20 | 1161886 Bicycle Repairman
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"No seriously endowed femme fatales?"

I think even Robo is getting tired of Robo's act.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:47 | 1162246 slaughterer
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You forgot LULU, robo.  Up half a percent today and metro as all the other. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 14:01 | 1162321 Cow
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Your post has nothing to do with this article.  As usual.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:04 | 1161825 anony
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College/University for the most students is the new Senior High School.

A playground for professors who abhor students and teaching, students who find learning tedious, and since curiosity about important matters has been substituted for b.s. that passes for curricula these days, it's more of a pleasant purgatory for most so-called students and scholars.

The ones serious about their education are a fraction of the entire nationwide student body. 

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:48 | 1161977 pazmaker
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I will agree with you...however there are some exceptions.... Local state community colleges are much more affordable and accesable without going into debt.  Many of them teach real world skills that can be used.   ex:  x-ray tech, sonographer, electrician, HVAC   etc.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 17:01 | 1163021 ElvisDog
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My take is for many students college is daycare for young adults. Four years (or more) of Friday parties, hooking up, and copious consumption of alcohol and other drugs.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:07 | 1161828 RobotTrader
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I'm wondering if TPTB is trying to turn the dollar here and cause a meltdown in foreign currencies.

http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/bbs?post_id=9495742

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 13:58 | 1162296 Rick Masters
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Where do you think the dollar goes in the next couple months Robo? Think it will breach 72 or will demand destruction kill oil and send people back into cash and treasuries as a safe haven (I  still belive the dollar is the safe haven simply because other currencies are in worse shape not because of the Benankenstein monster.)

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:09 | 1161833 lynnybee
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Oh, if ever there was a posting that speaks to me, this is it.    This country's precious young people were TARGETED !   ....targeted by the BUSH ADMINISTRATION & all the monied interests ... target our youth with cheap money & unlimited credit & be DEBT SLAVES.    When I was young, NO BANK in their RIGHT MIND would have ever lent out unlimited credit !!!  

Not only did they plunge our youth into debt, but, now these young people are so saddled with student loans that they cannot afford to buy houses !!   

"Wouldn't you like to borrow more money, little girl, little boy ?   Pay it back with cheaper dollars !   Investing in yourself is the best investment ! "  ~~ except over 8,000,000 jobs were offshored during just the past ten years ~~  

going to college is going to go the way of the baby boomers ~~ colleges & universities expanded now it is also their turn to contract ~~ goodbye worthless professors.    

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:15 | 1161856 bob_dabolina
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oh fuck

Bushs fault. That gets so old.

Tue, 04/12/2011 - 12:20 | 1161888 Holodomor2012
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He works for the Vatican you know?

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