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Guest Post: Towards A 21st Century Peasant Rising

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Submitted by Jacob Dreizin

A French poet once wrote that the devil’s greatest trick was convincing the world he doesn’t exist.  Funny that we can say the same thing about today’s American elite.  Somehow, it is not polite, not PC to even acknowledge them as a class—much less to speak of them.  We have a democracy, after all.  We are all equal.  Everyone has a vote.  And if mere voting is not enough for you, you can shell out ten grand for a closed-door meeting with your fifteen-term career Congressman, like any other respectable person would do.  Surely, there are no grounds for complaint.
Well, sorry but democracy means choice.  In America, today, there is no real choice.  The financial and corporate elites are funding both sides equally, and so they always come out ahead, no matter who is in charge.  Otherwise, how is it that former Goldman Sachs Co-Chairman Robert Rubin was Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, and then former Goldman Sachs Chairman Henry Paulson was Bush’s Treasury Secretary?  (And let’s not forget Goldman alumn Larry Gensler at Obama’s CFTC).  Is this what you call a two party system?
This is the same Goldman Sachs that uses millions of clueless 401k contributors as liquidity props to support its machine trading programs that buy and sell the same stock hundreds of times per second.  For you simple voters out there, this means that your mutual funds stagnate while Goldman rakes in tens of millions of your dollars each and every working hour—while generally ending each day with almost the same portfolio as it started with in the morning.
How’s that for an unfair advantage over the little guy?  Where is the government in this outrage?  But really, who cares about high-frequency trading when we mortals have more important things to worry about, like Guantanamo, same-sex marriage, abortion, misuse of the word “teabagging”, having a “conversation about race”, and posing as an intellectual by parroting the latest Tom Friedman or Paul Krugman column?
Something else to consider:  How is it that we were force-fed a highly-unpopular health care “reform” package that aims to pull down costs without allowing for cheaper drug imports or malpractice payout limits—which, as every Canadian, European, and Japanese bureaucrat knows, are the only proven methods for holding down medical costs?  Does the answer have something to do with both parties being in the pocket of the seven-figure ambulance chasers and the ten-figure drug, err, pharmaceutical kingpins?
But again, why sweat this stuff when it is more fun to argue about Obama’s missing birth certificate and the political implications of the Avatar movie?
How is it that we have a politico-economic system in which the government’s explicitly stated goal is to entice people to take out loans for houses and cars they don’t even need?  150 million cars on the road and we must keep buying new ones?  Millions of vacant housing units and we need to build new ones?  Homes so full of Chinese junk that half of it goes into off-site storage, and we need to shop more?  For whose benefit?
Ever heard of debt-slavery?  How about feudalism?  In terms of social organization, we are regressing to the Middle Ages.  But don’t worry—just as in feudal times, someone will come out ahead, even further than they are already.  Of course, we cannot talk about who that someone is.  That would be impolitic.  We are all equal, right?  Only kooks and conspiracy theorists complain about something called “the elite”, accusing this class of deliberately snatching an ever-larger share of the blanket and deliberately sticking it to everyone else in systematic, organized fashion via the political process—even as our elected officials throw us a few crumbs to secure the popular vote and keep the masses from depressing the bottom line via looting and rioting.
Now you see why I laugh when people ask who I voted for.  Am I supposed to vote for the guy who remembers his lines better, or the one I’d rather share a beer with?  How about a party that actually cares about what I care about?
A party that will coerce the banks to pay higher-than-laughable interest on our savings accounts, just like we have to pay interest on our loans?
A party that understands that pushing underwater homeowners to renegotiate payments on principal they cannot afford—and will never pay off—serves no one’s interest but the banks’?
A party that will discourage the Federal Reserve from blowing bubbles on the stock market, so young 401k contributors can get some real dividends on their future shareholdings?
A party that believes in sound money without any “inflation targets”?
A party that will renounce its claim on our income when we live abroad, instead of treating us like Dred Scott, slaves no matter where we are located?
When that party is constituted, I will vote for it.  Until then, this serf has jumped the plantation and taken to the hills.  No debt slavery for me.  From now on, don’t expect me to “consume” anything I can’t eat or blow my nose with.  No late fees or sales tax receipts from this corner.  I am taking all legal means to starve the elite and the government that works for it.
You can join me, or you can continue to live as cattle, or chattel if you prefer.  Your choice.  See you around.


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Wed, 03/24/2010 - 11:55 | 274457 nedwardkelly
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"Well, sorry but democracy means choice. In America, today, there is no real choice."

Amen brother. Any idiot that thinks there is a significant difference between republicans and democrats is, well... an idiot.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:16 | 274498 Mercury
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Democracy isn't what makes the US special. After all, a 51% majority can always vote to piss in the cornflakes of the other 49%. Things like property rights, enforceable contracts, due process, a bill of rights etc. are what made America America.  And you'd much rather live in a monarchy that has these things than in a democracy that doesn't.

All societies are plutocracies and even in the Soviet Union the politburo member's wives got to wear the nice fur coats and buy the better foodstuffs.  If anything the majority of the American socio-economic "elite" (the top some-single digit %) have aligned with the bottom 20% or so to put the squeeze on the working, producing middle.

So I'm not sure "peasant rising" is the right term here, especially when anyone can now sign up (in the language of their choice) for a laundry list of entitlements and goodies the moment they mambo over the border.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:26 | 274520 BobPaulson
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As long as they keep you mad at, and blaming the poor, or  gays, or immigrants or jews, they're safe.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:30 | 274530 Cognitive Dissonance
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I understand your point. Not arguing but rather expanding.

"Democracy isn't what makes the US special."

I'm tired of using the words of the control system, regardless of the reasons. We are not nor have we ever lived in a Democracy. This word is bandied about to provide us with the comforting illusion that we have some type of say in what our "leaders" do or don't do.

We live in a Representative Republic, meaning at best we vote to elect people who then do as they think we would want them to do. In realty, even this isn't the case. I don't trust the elections and I most certainly don't trust those elected.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:54 | 274561 Mercury
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Correct.  The system was originally set up to minimize the amount of faith you'd have to put it the representative you sent to Washington. Instead, a set of explicit, inalianable rights limited/prevented what the government could do to you.  Within living memory you'd hear little kids yell "I know my rights!" when accosted on the playground for misbehavior.  That's how ingrained that was in our culture.  Don't hear stuff like that much anymore and just mentioning the Bill of Rights increases the chances of your being branded a right-wing nut job.  The president himself has long been on the record for his advocacy of a "Second Bill of Rights" to replace or supersede the original.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:24 | 274685 nedwardkelly
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"meaning at best we vote to elect people who then do as they think we would want them to do"

Exactly. AT BEST. More accurately we vote to elect people who'll say they'll do what we want them to do, then they go and do whatever will raise the most funds for their reelection bid.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 16:25 | 274866 baserunr
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Of course there are 2 parties!


And Sachs.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:24 | 274584 strike for retu...
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Come on guys, very few ZH readers can claim to be peasants.  The world has probably a billion or more people who have to worry about securing their next meal.  When is the last time that was a problem for you?

ZH readers are among the politically dispossed in countries such as the US.  More than 99% of Americans are politically dispossed.

It is the dispossesion of the reasonably well off (as in ZH readers) that should concern the tiny minority that has screwed 99+% of humanity.  Fidel Castro was never a peasant.  Neither were Thomas Jefferson, Sam Adams, George Washington...

There will be reform or there will be collapse.  I prefer reform. 

After reflection, I decided that reform could only come from widespread awareness of reality.  (The alchololic in denial is not cured.)  Hence my involvement in trying to raise awareness.  As an example

Unfortunately, I have found that most people are so deep in denial that reform is not likely.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:49 | 274642 merehuman
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It took me a while to believe utube vids about chemtrails. Today i became an activist with passion.  I was looking at Blacklistednews on the web. Article there about us getting sprayed with barrium and aluminum to keep the planet cooler. Good for who? Whos paying for this and who is behind it and how can we make them stop?

If we allow them to spray us like we are plants or chickens getting debugged, then we deserve it!

What effect is the spraying having on our health? It is not helping crops grow because crops, all plants need sun and they are getting less sun.

It explains my poor tomatoe crop last year when i kept complaining that we didnt have enough sunshine. Think this will affect the food production economy? Bees arent liking it either, they need the sun to navigate.

I understand the pesticides are included in this. Frogs with 5 legs and misssing insect are some of the result.

Is the government actively attempting to kill us economically and phisically?

What the hell is the end game? Dont the assholes in charge have children too?

What are they thinking?!?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:36 | 274702 defender
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Merehuman, I would be interested in seeing some of the links for the aluminum in chemtrails.  Unfortunately, it would be physically impossible to lower the temperature using aluminum, or aluminum oxide.  The amount of heat that is produced to get it into the air will always be greater than the amount of light reflected.  Both of these tend to absorb moisture, clump and then fall out of the air.  Also, it is very difficult to switch a plane over so that it can make chemtrails, especially with a solid.  Please check out contrails to see what is really going on. 

This isn't an attack, as I no longer trust Uncle Sugar either, I just can't see a way that would decrease the temperature without also covering everything in white goo.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:35 | 274792 Ripped Chunk
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Yum! Nothing like a good Barium glaze before you head out to the market for some genetically engineered produce that is hammered with pesticides.

My tomatoes were terrible last year. Cloudy summer and cold too.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:16 | 274935 delacroix
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I've read, the chemtrails, also have a biological component. maybe the solids, are a binder, or accellerant to the effect. It's obviously taken into the lungs. maybe anti-biotic resistant TB, will explode on the scene. maybe the chemtrails, just make us more susceptible, to known, and accepted pathogens.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:21 | 274949 tip e. canoe
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speaking of aluminum, helpful hint for tomatoes:
mulch with sheets of tinfoil so the sun will also hit the underside of the plants
(bonus: you can shape it so it diverts much of the rain away, in case you get too much)

tinfoil -- it's not just good for making hats...

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 20:17 | 275131 merehuman
merehuman's picture is the site of the article. Samples have been taken. I suppose i will have to take my own samples.

The lack of trust is far reaching! There are many utube accounts of chemtrails . In some cases citizens took samples and did find barium amongst other things.  Its interesting to me that many americans take little to no interest in their own survival. USS Liberty was attacked by Israel in the 6 day war, napalm, torpedos and then machine gunning our boys in the life boats. Johnson told our air support to turn back and not help our navy. Our flag was clearly visible.

it was all covered up. Not commonly known. Nor is it known that the folks running our country are either Jewish, a goldmanite or on the CFR or all 3. Too many of them hold dual passports. I am SOOO friggen dissappointed.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 20:32 | 275143 Rick64
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Tip of the iceberg.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:15 | 274934 House Atreides
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I think you'll find it isn't barium or aluminium being sprayed from the planes. It's tin foil.

Come on. Seriously.

Sure the "democracy" we have is handicapped at best. But we are still (relatively) rich, free and alive all at the same time. And things can change. There is always hope.

As for the bees I wouldn't be surprised if it was something to do with human activity - execessive pesticide use, pesticide resistant fungi / parasite etc, general environmental degradation (lower plant biodiversity etc). But chemtrails ? I mean look at the more plausible explanations first.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:19 | 274943 delacroix
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bio engineered crops, that produce their own insecticide. crops, with roundup resistance. GMO is a pandora's box. you fuck with nature, she fucks back long time joe

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:22 | 274950 tip e. canoe
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and with a big ass dildo

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:03 | 274460 Miles Kendig
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To stand or submit.  After all, the elites are leading us not to the cleaners, but to the showers.  WAKE UP!

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:18 | 274487 B9K9
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Either option is fully hedged by the power elite. When they designed the credit-money system, they knew full well the historical fail point was around 50 years (jubilee).

This time around (ie since WWII - 65 years) there was a temporary extension as billions of Asians seemingly volunteered for (or were forced into) slavery. This had the effect of momentarily elevating productivity in excess of the compounding principal+interest charges accruing on the money-lender's books.

But after a little delay of around 10-15 years, we're ready to get on with the final act. That's why I smile to myself in quiet amusement when I see various posters ominously warn of coming social upheaval.

No shit Sherlock; you don't think they know this? Shit, they'll probably be disappointed in how pathetic we've become if we don't strike back in traditional fashion. This tragi-comedic farce has been recycled over and over again for millennia. It has the same exact ending every fucking time.

While most of our best & brightest knock themselves out pursuing professional careers such as medicine, law & science, a chosen few are pulled aside and taught the real secrets to success. It's so mind-fuckingly mundane & simple it's a wonder the power elite don't go stark-raving mad from boredom.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:27 | 274523 WaterWings
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I like this harder edge you've got lately. Hanging out with Chumba?

Lucky dog.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:41 | 274547 B9K9
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No, just preparing with more alacrity. Like I've said many times before, there were 3 possible ways out:

* discover a massive new source of energy equivalent the current ratio of petroleum $USD:BTU;

* realize 10-100x gains in food production via GM crops that require minimal petro-chemical fertilizers/herbicides/pesticides;

* revolutionize mfg production processes that affect 10-100x productivity gains.

I was simply hedging to see if any one of these miracles would save our collective bacon. After all, it's the entire point of pretend & extend, no? No one believes you can grow an economy by piling on more debt - it's all just an extension. Since no white knight is going to appear, it's given the power elite enough time to prepare their bunkers.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:21 | 274679 JW n FL
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There can be no positive movement (in anyones economy) without causing an increase in oil price... thusly... until the world can stabilize the costs of maintaining a global economy... we all can not move forward... tree hugging aside... this is  much larger problem than anyone here or on CNN will openly discuss or admit too...


Kudos to you Brother, KUDOS!

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 11:11 | 275576 BobPaulson
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Devil's advocate here - I know I will be jumped upon but.

If we assume the current trajectory of the planet is necessarily to a Malthusian wall hitting moment and the economic rules we have decided to live by require infinite growth, perhaps the egomaniacs who are attempting to run the place and control all variables actually think they're doing good, seeing that some sort of overarching control will be needed when third world starvation turns the entire globe into one great big refugee camp.

I bet a lot of the system gamers have convinced themselves they are doing great acts of good to prepare for the transition from infinite growth to zero-sum arithmetic.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:42 | 274548 Miles Kendig
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The kicker is that those who continue to believe that a corner can be built that lasts fail to appreciate that the only thing financial corners do is lead their creators own eventual destruction.  In essence the elites are leading themselves to the showers while they think they are only leading us to the showers.  This time it's different..  Ya, sure....

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:07 | 274566 B9K9
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Has anyone noticed the number of engineers (both bloggers such as Denninger/Mish & various commenters) who have stumbled upon the utterly vapid & mundane truth about the nature of how our money-credit system works? (Not me; I'm a bean counter.) It's the same exact reaction every time:

Engineer: Wait, you're telling me you simply issue a loan then create a deposit account with fraudulent, counterfeit tickets?

Banker: Yep.

Engineer: Then, you go out and find a funding source to back-fill your reserve requirements (if they even exist)?

Banker: Yep.

Engineer: And even reserve requirements are also based on fraudulent, counterfeit tickets (FRNs) conjured out of air by fiat in exchange for even more debt?

Banke: Yep.

Engineer: So, there's no theoretical limit to the amount of loans you can make?

Banker: Yep.

Engineer: In effect, your profitability is merely a function of the market's willingness to incur debt?

Banker: Yep.

Engineer: So, you buy up all media channels to glamorize debt-leveraged consumption, purchase some politicians to enact tax advantaged treatment of debt (eg mortgage interest deduction), and once you get the massive herd of lemmings stampeding to your door begging for debt, you just sit back and process as many loans as possible?

Banker: Yep.

Engineers: But according to basic exponential math, debtors debt slave can never fully satisfy the compounding principal+interest charges accruing on your books?

Banker: Yep.

Engineer: So eventually your loans go bad as they default & you are forced into BK?

Banker: NO! Remember the "people's representatives" we purchased? They bail us out while making the taxpayers good for the losses.

Engineer: But that's evil. Why wouldn't you be interested in providing something useful to society, like trying to discover a cure for cancer, or develop exciting new composite materials that promise to revolutionize flight?

Banker: Because I'm a shallow, boring, pathological criminal, that's why.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:15 | 274583 Miles Kendig
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Banker: Because the only truth worth knowing is that my greed is good so long as you are willing to pay often to satisfy me....

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:30 | 274607 LeBalance
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Banker: Because I am running this amusement ride (at least to the level that you can see); I have a manual and a long term set of milestones.  It is very boring so we get thrown a war/famine/goldtidal-wave/orgy every once in a while to keep us interested.

Neo: You mean that its just work.  You mean that all Depleted Uranium, H1N1, AIDS, etc has to be choreographed to appear and affect public consciousness with split second timing?

Banker: Yes the scheduling and keeping the show going on time is where we spend most of our man hours.  All that propaganda: making sure talking heads and movies are saying the right things so they can seem prescient when the real thing happens later.  It is a very big job to provide the show we do and so....we do like our perks.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:44 | 274635 Cognitive Dissonance
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Predictive programming in all its glory.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:49 | 274643 Al Huxley
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'Because I'm a shallow, boring, pathological criminal, that's why.'


What a great comment!  +100

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:53 | 274648 cougar_w
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OK, I buy your premise. Most here would. But you might be fighting the last war.

Because I don't see how anyone is getting out alive this time around. What happened to the Romans in 470AD is coming down the tracks to take everyone out all at once. We'll be back to inventing paper and discovering that the Earth actually goes around the sun.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:08 | 274662 Cognitive Dissonance
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Does that mean I have to give up my iPod and American Idol? :>)

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:21 | 274682 cougar_w
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Hardly. You can use the iPod as barter and carve your own idol (to the pagan diety of your choice) from marble.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:04 | 274739 Cognitive Dissonance
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American Idol. It's what's for dinner.

As soon as I saw the word "carve" I thought you might be advocating cannibalism. Then I finished the sentence and realized you wanted me to be my own Michelangelo.

Cool! I wonder how many bushels of wheat I could get for a marble statue of my pagan idol, American Idol Kelly Clarkson?

BTW I had to google Clarkson to find out she was a winner, since I've never seen the show and don't follow modern pop "culture", if that's what we now call our collective madness. My daughter is amazed I could still be living in a cave, the proof being I don't watch "Idol". I thought I raised her better.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 22:26 | 275265 Hulk
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Ah, but how did you know the name Clarkson in the first place???

Thats what worries me!

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 04:17 | 275405 Cognitive Dissonance
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I googled "American Idol winners" and found a list. I had heard the name several times before and once I saw it at the top of the list, I realized I knew who she was from some news story or another. Since "culture" and news are the same thing today, that's not surprising.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:57 | 274653 merehuman
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Awake. 1913, fed, all of it. sorry about our luck. Now what do we do, how do we fight this?

Normal channels of election and waiting and hoping is crap. We are out of time, money and patience.

Is it worth it to go to DC and protest?  Looking to go in a few days, finishing my last job/house. Quitting the business after 30 years. No point, as there is no market.

I am asking cause i am in OR coast. Its a long drive, 2 grand in fuel and expenses and will cost me most of my silver. I feel i need to do something, cant just sit. What if we all just sit for it. Like we been doing!

Hate to leave my home unprotected.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:41 | 274696 velobabe
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mere don't waste your time or buy the frickin gas and pollute. d.c. isn't worth your presence. i had to move to boston to help with my sister's son for a while, and i couldn't wait to get the hell out of the east back to the west. sorry EC people it was the climate and environment.

your post about chemtrails is way more important. our health. we have to be self vigilant. our tomatoes had blight too! cause of all the damn rain the EC got last summer and not enough sun. their was a great article on tomatoes i think in mother jones really described the WHOLE mess we are in. it is all going to hell actually. please don't drive to the east. it is absolutely manic on the highways. i don't drive any more everybody is so distracted it is crazy. i live in boulder CO now and all these students have their eyes glued to a smartphone and run right into on the sidewalks. imagine them behind a wheel. i ride my bike everywhere even to play golf with my clubs on my back on a bike path. cars are lethal weapons. americans need to get fit and survive. a good tomato article.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:34 | 274966 tip e. canoe
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"the five big tomato processors paid farmers about $80 for a ton of tomatoes and earned about 50 cents for each pound of paste."

whoa, that's insane markup!  on that note, just saw 3 decent-sized 'organic' tomatoes being sold for $6.50 in manhattan yesterday. 

went home and bought 3 young heirloom plants off ebay for $6.  she even gave me some seeds for free.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 18:15 | 275011 velobabe
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what do you think of organic, mostly in the tomatoe world?

we don't buy organic grapes because we think they alter or compromise the grape with other stuff in order to receive the stamp.  we think adopting sustainable practices in the agricultural cultivating, could be better than going organic. yeah the rules are not set in stone and dictated by WHO? FDA, yeah we should trust their ass. NOPE. i think it could be a conspiracy to start changing our seeds and soil. from what i have learned (last 12 months) about everything else in this country now i really don't trust this organic thing. even though i have been buying organic fruits and vegetable when out of season. not sure that everything is a scam when produced by large corporations. 

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 18:20 | 275016 Rick64
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No such thing as organic in a retail sense (grocery store) even organic farmers will tell you this. No pesticides at all equal very low yeilding crops.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 19:10 | 275058 tip e. canoe
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the only way you can for sure know it's organic is to know the person who grew it.  or grow it yourself.  

p.s. rick, there are ways to grow and prevent pests, companion planting, for instance (e.g. basil & mint with your tomatoes).  but in monoculture, you're absolutely right.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 20:25 | 275140 merehuman
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Hey good tip! thanks.  BTW slugs like beer. Place jar lids with a little beer ,it draws them in and drowns them. What a way to go! 

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 09:27 | 275485 tip e. canoe
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slugs go out like kerouac.  sounds like a good way to handle predators of all kinds yes?  here's an idea: how about a sack of gold with depleted uranium inside in front of 85 broad? 

(note to NSA -- this is a joke, this is not a serious suggestion to engage in any criminal activity.  thanks for listening.)

companion planting bible:

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 09:54 | 275497 Rick64
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Thanks for the info.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:44 | 274717 Lndmvr
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Do the silent protest.  Learn what simplex nails are. At night , drive by the local police station, mayors house, tax assessor, maybe your local and state reps. Leave a hand full in case they have use for them. One day, head for DC.   It's deffinitly doing something.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 20:24 | 275138 dark pools of soros
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..selling more tires???   really?  what's next, poison their dog?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 20:33 | 275144 merehuman
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Nails are a good traffic stopper. Not reccomended for high speed areas tho.

Not like we want to hurt our own citizens. At slow speed, in the morning the entire city could be stopped! We can probably be arrested just for talking about this. Frankly, it doesnt matter since its all a prison now.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:49 | 274722 defender
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Mere, your Community needs you, and your family needs you.  If you went to washington, you would only be thought of as another bum to be ignored.  Stay at home, get involved in your comunity, and help those that are actually willing to listen.  No one in DC will even know you are there, but the people in your community will all benefit greatly from your zeal and compassion.

Props to you, for your willingness to take a stand, but please take care of your family - they are much more important.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:39 | 274973 delacroix
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DITTO merehuman, expend your resources wisely. washington DC trip would be a hollow gesture, kinda like a politician. observe the current structure of YOUR reality, and apply your energy in the most effective way. you can't save the world, hell you might not even be able to save yourself.reasonable expectations, are less likely to lead to disappointment. think it through. after DC and no benefit, does that make you a failure. the path to success, does not include washington DC . being in a position to help real people around you, will generate goodwill, and gratitude, for them, and you.  I hate waste. be your own best friend

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:06 | 274745 strike for retu...
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There are much better ways to get involved than to drive across the country. 

Talk to people who respect you and try to get them to understand how the system is broken and how it works against the interest of 99+% of humanity.

Drop out of the system.  You will survive.

The system will reform or collapse after the productive people drop out.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:22 | 274769 JR
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When it’s time, and the time approaches, merehuman, then hundreds of thousands will go to Washington.  That’s when you and I go to Washington.  Now is the time to go where there's work to get back on your feet, into the work pool.  If there is no work where you are, and Oregon is far ahead of the others in unemployment, then find the area that is better than where you are for your ability.  Go there; get something, anything, live in a room, and get started so that you can send something home to help your family. I know one young man, an electrical engineer, who lost his job in San Jose who now makes a weekly, 1000-mile round trip to San Diego so as to send back money to his family. We’ll all need you when the time to go to Washington comes.  And believe me, it approaches.  We’re all in this together, merehuman. Hang in there. There’s strength in numbers, and our numbers are increasing

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:48 | 274815 velobabe
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who lost his job in San Jose who now makes a weekly, 1000-mile round trip to San Diego so as to send back money to his family.

sounds like what the latinos were doing in my area, servicing all the rich fucks, but now have gone home. now this young man an electrical engineer succumbs to the strain of providing for his family has to leave them. it is such a vivious cycle to sustain the dream.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 16:31 | 274872 JR
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Very good point, velobabe.

The stress on labor on both sides of the Mexican border is caused by those who desire to corral men and rule them with a whip in a plantation-style environment.  The beautiful land of Mexico is subject to a vast corruption that prohibits the growth of free market enterprise and development of jobs because the excessive wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few families and international bankers.  Instead of transferring The America Dream to Mexico’s shores, which was entirely plausible primarily because of her wealth in resources, a willing labor force and a favorable climate, the frustrations of Mexican villagers have been used to damage The American Dream and import the Mexican nightmare to America's shores, where, now, only a few can have a dream. 

Hence, as you say, just as Mexicans have to leave their homes to wander the globe looking for employ, now this young man an electrical engineer succumbs to the strain of providing for his family has to leave them. it is such a vivious cycle to sustain the dream.

Both Mexicans and Americans need to get Big Banker off their backs and take back their respective countries and their respective freedoms.  Then, and only then, will all men and women be able to seek happiness with minimal interference from Big Government globalization in the hands of a few.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:48 | 274992 velobabe
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yeah i have lived in high end communities my entire life. i see the ying that creates the yang. i am pretty awoken now. i have to really thank ZH and mostly all the commenters. this site is MY ultimate faceless book. but the mindfulness here gets me very emotional. i have so much but have always shared. i am most sensitive to these sort of sites predominately male visited. my perspective was life is a beach. now i read about men and war and such. never had to think about it, much. just last year i saw for the first time a man's dog tags, it just struck me how clueless i am to the real world. white females have been sheltered in the past, but not now.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 19:45 | 275098 defender
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Velobabe, innocence is a beautiful thing, and I always hate to see someone loose it.  Now that you know what is out there, you can protect yourself and those that are important to you.  Since you live in a nice community, now is the time to get a gun and learn how to use it.  There is a large amount of anger and resentment against the upper class, and a crime wave has already started as those with fewer scruples try to even the score.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 20:19 | 275134 velobabe
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thanks i have been thinking about that. but it scares me so much, not getting the gun i wanted to be a biathlete. just that life has come to this movement. yikes. i get hit up all the time by the homeless. i dress down and always have ear phones in.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:20 | 274945 Mr Creosote
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Mere, have to agree with velo, JR, et al above. You are better served by waiting to head to DC. Maybe velo has some leads for your services in Colo?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:40 | 274974 tip e. canoe
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also agreed, don't blow the silver on petrol mate.
that's what they want you to do, no matter reason why you're doin it.
at least wait for a group to rideshare to split the costs.
or buy a diesel and learn to run it on grease.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:58 | 274999 velobabe
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yes we are going into bottle season right now. really making wine and bottling it is quite brutal, if done by hand. all the big guys use machines and have corrupted the media with the sense their wine is better tasting. it is BS, hand crafted wine is so much better. it is like hand crafted beer, that is now out selling the big guys. we have to go local. mere we could use you, but it is only a 60 day march. i don't do it, it is almost like working in a cave or mine. we hand dip all the tops in red wax. now that is an artistian touch and people just love it. red wax allowed to dip a little down the neck. we hand cork and label. we love it when we get a little sauced and the labels get a little crooked,  who the f@ck cares†


you know how to avoid creosote just burn really hard woods.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:47 | 274991 WaterWings
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Aaaaah. The Oregon Coast. What a paradise. Cannon Beach and Astoria are too of my most favorite places on Earth. Oh, and Honeyman State Park down by Florence.

Well, it sounds like you have been talking to many about the "situation" with people in your community. Maybe you could ask around and find out if there are others willing to split the cost. Agreeing whole-heartedly with the other wonderful posters I would say that maybe the cost is too great for you as an individual. I would be making the same sacrifice.

Keep your silver and hold on, man! So many of us with you in spirit - wish I could buy you a beer.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 20:59 | 275166 merehuman
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I have done all the things many of you have suggested.

I think to go just the same. 25% are awake. of those how many will take any action, and how many are capable?

My heros are martin luther(german) and don quiote.What else can i do instead? I have kept my promise of telling all i meet in my daily life what condition our condition is in. Some i have given silver oz to to encourage them to inquire.  Just waiting for it to fall and have the same crew still in charge? NO .  I appreciate the input and my lady agrees with you all.

I will look harder at what alternative options there are 

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 21:11 | 275182 merehuman
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Waterwings , i would rather buy the hangglider i been pining for. My true fear is that no one leaves the comfort of their home. I see argentina coming at us. the administration is likely to use war to further its goals. I have no wish for more bad karma created in our name. All the iraquis and afgans we kill is on all of us if we allow it. Its a moral thing i cannot get away from.

Being treated like a plant , herded like sheep is not for me . Cheat me, spray me , lie to me and i am gone. How can anyone allow this to go on?

I think we really are dumbed down

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 01:57 | 275374 WaterWings
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"Well has it affected you personally?" is what people ask me when I speak of the evil that dominates our society.

They may as well be asking if I have "racist" thoughts.

Why do I even open my mouth anymore?

This is what aligns me with your kind, mh:

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. —Samuel Adams

I feel the blood pumping in my veins when I read the counsel of the Founding Fathers.

All the iraquis and afgans we kill is on all of us if we allow it.

And I truly feel that.

My father used to let me take the controls in his Cessna flying from Hillsboro to McMinnville, or the same to Vancouver, WA - flying over Portland with mouths open.

He used to tell us about the gliders...floating on the hot wind.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 11:59 | 274463 lieutenantjohnchard
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glad you joined me.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:05 | 274478 mnevins2
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Me, too.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 11:59 | 274464 waterdog
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Man, that is a long winded excuse of why you do not vote. Why not say what 86% of the eligible voters in this country say when asked do they vote, "Hell no, my vote will not count, why bother." It is easier and makes the same amount of sense.



Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:01 | 274467 Miles Kendig
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Vote: None of the above.  The only means of a "no confidence" vote available to us.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:54 | 274564 Conrad Murray
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My thoughts exactly, shameful defeatists.

"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stuart Mill

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:37 | 274703 nedwardkelly
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Implement instant runoff voting and your vote will be counted, regardless of who you vote for:

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:01 | 274466 BlingBlingBen
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Amen brotha...I'm already there.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:02 | 274469 Lionhead
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Well, it's about time the young folks wake up to the chicanery. Take out your I-pod earplugs, put down your cell phone or texting device & kindle, & look around you. Do you see a future that's bright & rosy?

"Otherwise, how is it that former Goldman Sachs Co-Chairman Robert Rubin was Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, and then former Goldman Sachs Chairman Henry Paulson was Bush’s Treasury Secretary?  (And let’s not forget Goldman alumni Larry Gensler at Obama’s CFTC)."

Answer: in the depression Mr Sachs of GS was summoned to testify in front of Congress to explain his firms part in the fiasco. After he did, he decided to get his "men" into government to prevent any further embarrassment of having to be publicly derided. He long ago succeeded. Wake up folks!


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:12 | 274755 Master Bates
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Oh, we "young folks" know what's going on all to well.

As we lose our jobs in disproportionate numbers compared to the "old folks" that caused this mess in society over the last thirty years (before I was born) we don't have the benefit of thirty years of savings that we borrowed from future generations.

Believe me, if anybody hasn't been listening over the last thirty years that it took to create this mess, it surely wasn't the "young people."

But it's okay, because we'll be paying for the social security of the people that caused these problems soon enough.  Plus, we'll be paying off all of the debts that they incurred to go fight for "freedom" in countries like Iraq.

Lucky us.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:38 | 274797 Ripped Chunk
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You sound dissatisfied.  The Caymans are nice if you like the beach? But I think exit sounds like a good strategy for you regardless.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 16:29 | 274869 Conrad Murray
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While I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment, I must respectfully decline personal inclusion in your statement, "we'll be paying for the social security of the people that caused these problems soon enough".  I will not.  Ever.  And I will do everything within my power to ensure nobody else has to.  These entitlement programs MUST be eliminated NOW.

It's time for people to take responsibility for themselves and their family, not hoist it onto the backs of other citizens.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:45 | 274985 delacroix
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MB look on the bright side, you won't get ripped off for as much SS money, as the old timers, who have been paying for 50 years

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:06 | 274471 Tethys
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Timely piece.  Pretty much have just come to the conclusion that you can either pull the cart or ride in the cart.  Getting really tired of pulling.  Time to impose economic sanctions on the system.  Not going to pull or ride, just going step off the road for a while and see what's out there.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:31 | 274535 WaterWings
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Ah, yes. Well put. Our personal journey in life is only linear if we fool ourselves into believing there are no alternatives. 

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:56 | 274652 cougar_w
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You'll run into that strange thing called "reality" once you leave the linear road.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 22:41 | 274933 Tethys
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Considering that the linear road is presently headed towards a cliff, I will take my chances.

Enjoy your journey as well, I hear that some actually enjoy the momentary feeling of weightlessness...

And while it is true that cats generally land on their feet, it is the velocity of the impact which might cause some discomfort.

Edit: after reading your post below, it appears to me that you have already strayed a bit from the linear groove - at least in the sense that I am thinking.  Living off the consumer hook with less overhead (already at a pretty low level here, but can definitely take it lower).   Reduce support to the increasing number who feed off the efforts of others - those who on average earn more with better benefits and more days off than their 'sponsors' in the private sector. Find new channels for 'work' that are not necessarily as lucrative, but just as rewarding (or more so).  Simplify. Drop off the grid. etc.  Already started in many of these areas. It is now time to notch it up a level or two. 

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:07 | 274472 Cognitive Dissonance
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"No debt slavery for me. From now on, don’t expect me to “consume” anything I can’t eat or blow my nose with. No late fees or sales tax receipts from this corner. I am taking all legal means to starve the elite and the government that works for it. You can join me, or you can continue to live as cattle, or chattel if you prefer. Your choice. See you around."

Hold on there little doggy. While everyone has the God given right to bitch and complain all your little heart desires, when you threaten this here United States of America, you're talking treason, treason I say. And that makes it a matter of national security. Haven't you heard that those damn commie/capitalist bastards in China won't buy our genuine US grade "A" government bonds? And now this?

Call the police, the CIA, the NSA, we're going to makes sure you understand who's running this place if it kills you. In fact, forget about those government agencies. Too messy. We got us a private army now. Let's sic Blackwater or whatever we call them nowadays on your sorry little ass.

Yeah, that's the ticket. Blackwater it is.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:19 | 274504 Howard_Beale
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Re: Blackwater

My ex-brother in law is a Serbian that had State Department clearance and worked for Blackwater in Iraq until 2008. He raked in the bucks. When travelling recently, I met another mercenary on the plane on his way to Afghanistan.

I highly recommend the film War, Inc. with John Cusack.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:28 | 274527 Cognitive Dissonance
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I own the DVD and watch it every few months. It's actually a searing commentary on the business of war in particular and gun running in general, though it doesn't come through completely during the first viewing. After the second or third time, when you've had a chance to absorb some of the finer details, some of the dialogue is very compelling.

War is a racket. A very profitable racket.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:44 | 274545 Howard_Beale
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Makes one sad for the human race and the poor kids that get slaughtered at the age of 18 thinking they are fighting for their country. And it also inevitably brings to mind the powerful Eisenhower exit speech which IMHO is one of the best speeches ever written. You probably know it by heart, CD, but now that it is 50 years from it's delivery, it seems we have lost all he fought to protect.


"Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." 

Full speech 


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:52 | 274556 Miles Kendig
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Howard, some folks are still possessed with the concept that protecting and projecting commercial power is the only concern of the state... And in so doing compromise the concept of service.  The kicker  Howard is that there is a greater appreciation within the ranks of the fault lines in the construct. Fact remains that is US no longer possesses the capacity for national or international action without the direct support of private enterprise... Which is now dependent upon those that are products of this very system....

Thanks for the classic reference to when republicans were, in fact, republicans.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:03 | 274573 Howard_Beale
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Yes, it's a very vicious circle, Miles. And you are welcome for the reference because we should all be reminded from time to time how much things have changed in such a relatively short amount of time.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:45 | 274594 Cognitive Dissonance
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Thanks for the reminder of Eisenhower's exit stage right speech. Sadly the timing of this speech indicates how powerful the military-industrial complex was even 50 years ago. I'm certain Eisenhower didn't just wake up to its existence the day he sat down to write this speech. I suspect he recognized he would be eviserated if he had spoken out during his term.

Each President, assuming they are interested in doing the "right thing" (which is a huge streach to begin with) weighs the pros and cons of pushing back against the entrenched power base and makes the "strategic" decision to bide their time. The time never comes.

I'm always amazed how many people participate in the illusion that the President has the power to make changes in the system. I'm not talking about power that is shared by Congress and the Judiciary. I'm talking about the power to call up the NSA and ask them "what's up doc" and order them to open up their files. If you read the various Presidential biographies and papers, it's amazing how much they publicly admit they couldn't do because their own agencies would refuse to cooperate. REFUSE to cooperate. It's laughable.

The Presidential position has devolved into a public relations exercise in crowd control and herding. S/he is the public face to the powers-that-be, regardless of their nature or origin. People believe the President is all powerful because to believe otherwise might compel them to do something about the corruption and thieving. As long as we can believe "The One" (regardless of party, race or gender) can make the boo-boo better, we can go back to sleep.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:03 | 274473 Belrev
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Why not go all the way and put out lists of the members of this "elite".

Last name, First Name, what organization they run, where they live.

I think a pattern may emerge there that will be unmistakable.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:22 | 274684 steelhead23
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Yes, by all means, name names, but what we really need are addresses, schedules, images.

Sadly, even if someone(s) were to eliminate today's elite, new ones would emerge to take their place.  So, we simply cannot "take them out."

Marx got all of this perfectly, complete with the duping of the masses by the elite - even though he could not have imagined today's technology.  The only way to rid the globe of elite oligarchs is for a massive social movement to decide that not only don't we want to be debt slaves, we don't want to be consumers either.  That ain't gonna happen.  Its not the elite that are the enemy, it is the system that creates niches for the elite.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 18:24 | 275019 delacroix
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the new ones, would be acutely aware  of their predecessors fate. the current elites, have been in power, for several generations. same families, same game plan. they have sold their souls to the devil  ( metaphorically speaking) they view themselves as better smarter, above their fellow man, in fact  most of us are just lowly gentiles, way inferior, to gods chosen people

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:05 | 274477 schoolsout
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cue Kaiser Soze

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:08 | 274482 Cheshire.Cat
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I formerly thought that voting out all incumbents was the answer; a new crop of reps that would take some time to become corrupt. But now I see that the corruption starts before or during the campaign; thus once elected, the majority of our reps, including Prexies and Vice Prexies, have already got the old snout deep into the trough and are of no further use to the electorate.

Perhaps the Supreme Court has it right after all; just let the corporations and unions be the electorate and thus end the charade that we are living in a democracy once and for all!


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:14 | 274671 monkeyshine
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There are 2 or 3 possible short term solutions. You cannot vote either Democrat or Republican obviously. IMHO the best short term solution is the formation of new state oriented or regional parties.

For example, California has 13% of the US population and about 12% of the seats in the House. A "California Party" would be a formbidable voting block. Instead of voting the interests of party elders this party would ideally vote the interests of the state, in regular consultation with the Governor and the state house.

To counteract this weight, smaller states would band together so that you might have a Texas-Oklahoma-Louisiana party, or a Kentucky-Tennesee-Indiana party, though the latter may throw its lot behind Illinois for more weight.

The point is - remove party from the equation and we are a lot closer to the system the way it was built to function.  And this kind of system would be a lot easier to sell than to try to build new parties like Green, Reform, Libertarian. The problem with ad-hoc parties is that the minute they get 5% of the vote one of the major party co-opts their message. And funny, because this idea of state-oriented parties is pretty much textbook Republicanism, except that the Republican party as a federal institution doesn't reflect the textbook so it can't be trusted. It has to be done from scratch.

If this kind of regional party system can be rebuilt, then federal elections would change as well. Founding Fathers imagined that most Presidents would be selected by the House, not by the Electoral College. Party made the EC powerful.  Reduce the power of party in the minds of the people by promising them more direct power/control over the levers of power, and the system will eventuall bend back towards the will of the people and away from the corporate interests that fund the major parties today.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:08 | 274483 sweet ebony diamond
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Generation X is with you.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:16 | 274490 Mercury
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Gen X and all gens numerically lesser than the boomers.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:23 | 274507 Cognitive Dissonance
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I understand your point. Not arguing but rather expanding.

"Democracy isn't what makes the US special."

I'm tired of using the words of the control system, regardless of the reasons. We are not nor have we ever lived in a Democracy. This word is bandied about to provide us with the comforting illusion that we have some type of say in what our "leaders" do or don't do.

We live in a Representative Republic, meaning at best we vote to elect people who then do as they think we would want them to do. In realty, even this isn't the case. I don't trust the elections and I most certainly don't trust those elected.

Edit - Poster changed his post between the time I hit "reply" and when I hit "submit" so this  reply doesn't make much sense anymore. But it still stands as written.  

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 16:22 | 274855 Mercury
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Sorry CD, if you scroll up you'll see I effectively moved it up as a response to the very first post of this comment section which was my original intention but I "mis-clicked."

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 16:59 | 274912 Cognitive Dissonance
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I did see your move (graduation?) up the page and I followed your bread crumbs as well. No problem. I just wanted people to understand that CD hadn't gone off his rocker and hadn't started drinking......yet.

It's all good my friend.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:53 | 274726 A tumor named Marla
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For now....give it 15-20 years.....

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:26 | 274494 economessed
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Historically, the situation that led to Shays Rebellion draws a modern parallel for me.


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:18 | 274499 Marley
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"Tune in, turn on, drop out." Rallying call of the 60's young.

Now it's "Turn on, boot up, jack in - join the cyberdelic counterculture."

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 22:10 | 275251 wake the roach
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"Tune in, turn on, drop out"


Ahh, LSD... Things will never be the same, like dropping the red pill haha ;-)

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:18 | 274500 GoldSilverDoc
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I am taking all legal means to starve the elite and the government that works for it.


Why "legal"? Just out of curiosity, do you remember a fellow named Gandhi?  And all the IL-legal things he did?

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:18 | 274501 Spaceman Spiff
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Something else to consider:  How is it that we were force-fed a highly-unpopular health care “reform” package that aims to pull down costs without allowing for cheaper drug imports or malpractice payout limits—which, as every Canadian, European, and Japanese bureaucrat knows, are the only proven methods for holding down medical costs?  Does the answer have something to do with both parties being in the pocket of the seven-figure ambulance chasers and the ten-figure drug, err, pharmaceutical kingpins?


Not that Republicans are worth defending, but they weren't in on this force feeding, and are hardly in the pocket of the ambulance chasers.   The ABA has little love for anything conservative.  

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:23 | 274595 crosey
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I think that it's because we Americans "believe" that we can have our cake and eat it too.  Moreover, we've become a society wherein we believe that we "deserve" our cake and the ability to eat it too.

"Deserve" is a word that I have come to despise.  And the sibling faux "rights" that are sold with it; "rights" that appear nowhere in our Constitution.

And so, after we get our collective asses kicked (for our apathy, carelessness, pride, greed, gluttony, lust, envy and sloth), maybe we will then remake ourselves in a better image.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:26 | 274766 Mercury
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Drug companies charge what they can get away with.  That means one price in Latin America, one price in Europe and another price in the US, still another in Canada.  Think of it as different pricing zones for McDonald's.  The inner city Micky D's is always way cheaper than the captive audience, side of the freeway locations even though it's all the same Happy Meal.  Different overhead costs etc. for different locations don't come close to explaining the difference.  Similarly the reason Europeans can muscle drug comapanies into lower prices is because we pay so much. A single global price model would mean slightly lower prices for The US and much higher than current prices for everyone else.  You could force margin compression at the drug comapnies themselves but that wouldn't (and hasn't where it's been tried) bode well in the long term for new wonderdrugs as the profit motive wouldn't be as great. You can screw around with drug-reimportation around the margins but it's not viable long term or large scale.

Rationing is the only proven method for holding down healthcare costs in a third-party payer system and that's coming real soon.  And digital, medical records make that much easier by the way. As in: "I see here that you've already been treated for that condition. The policy is that for a 55 year old male, a 2577B or a L556 procedure can not be administered more than twice within the same treatment allocation benefit unit timeframe which is your remaining-quality-life-years score divided by the severity rating of your condition as determined by...."

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:23 | 274512 Rick64
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I believe the only way to change this government peacefully is nationwide protests and massive D.C. protests. Then they will pacify the people and the movement will lose momentum. As Jefferson stated this will have to be a constant effort and I don't think the people are up to it. The Great Depression was far worse in terms of poverty and we didn't change the government. If we could just shut off their t.v.s we might get them to listen or if some cataclysmic event stirs them then maybe. If they are ressurected from their lethargy then I am afraid the government will implement a Black Flag operation to gain control (probably some kind of bio warfare). Nothing unites a country like an enemy trying to destroy it i.e. 9/11.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:26 | 274519 alien-IQ
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If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:30 | 274534 BobPaulson
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Great quote but not always true. I think voting works when the system is small enough.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:30 | 274533 buzzsaw99
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The time for talk is over. Lop tops or accept your fate.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:31 | 274536 jimijon
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Repeal the 17th Amendment. In fact was it even ratified?

Start bringing power back to the states.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:33 | 274542 GoldSilverDoc
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Withdraw.  Starve the beast.  Make no "money", pay no taxes.  Start a "church". 


Make your own salt.  Refuse to join.  Refuse to agree.  Refuse.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:53 | 274563 Miles Kendig
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I choose not to....

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:14 | 274670 cougar_w
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... buy a new car. Ever.

... watch TV. Ever.

... vacation travel. Ever.

OK guys, try even one of those.

I've been off the consumer hook for 20 years. The beast has next to nothing from me, nor my family.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:32 | 274788 Cognitive Dissonance
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"I've been off the consumer hook for 20 years. The beast has next to nothing from me, nor my family."

Now that the last of the kids are out of the house, I've found it much easier to change my lifestyle without causing an all out revolt from within. While I never chased the consumer lifestyle and taught my children to do with less, they were still pushed and influenced by peer pressure and it was tough.

Now I can do what I want (the wife left well before the children did, wanting no part of living sanely) but now the neighbors are beginning to worry that I'm devolving into a cranky old bastard. Nope, not cranky, just self sufficient. But since I'm not like everyone else, I must be bad or wrong. Anyone who doesn't buy into the insanity must be insane.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 22:46 | 275285 Hulk
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One last step to take C_D


for the handbook

I mean if you are going to leave the system, might as well leave it completely

Cleaner bays and oceans too

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 04:21 | 275406 Cognitive Dissonance
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Leaving the consumer hook and leaving the system are two entirely different things. Never said I was leaving the system, just changing the way I live, not trapped in the buy-buy-buy mentality.

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 10:10 | 275513 tip e. canoe
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CD, how about something like this?

what if you needed a toilet and were given a tax credit in a 'cash for crappers' program?

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 11:03 | 275566 Hulk
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But if you want to alienate the neighbors too, tell them you use a sawdust toilet and then try and convince them to crap in one!

You will never see another neighbor as long as you live...

(BTW, the sawdust toilet is a simple, cheap, perfect and ingenious solution to a complex and expensive problem (for most))

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 11:46 | 275637 tip e. canoe
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yeah like haiti (even before the earthquake). 
of course, there's not much $ in common sense.

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 12:27 | 275700 Hulk
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Exactly. 15 bucks for the toilet, no plumbing expenses

and you never have to go to the Garden Center to buy fertilizer again. We have been using them for about 3 years now and its working great. Everything stays above ground, where it belongs...

No smell either, I remember that is what surprised me....

Not something you want to show off on the first date though!

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:52 | 274559 crosey
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The two party system has become just go to one party, have a few drinks, then go to the next party, and have some more drinks.

I smell a change in the weather coming.  Strong storms.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:55 | 274565 glenlloyd
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Amen to that! Couldn't agree more.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 12:57 | 274570 djcrow22
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Close all bank accounts and open a new account in a credit union...Just do it, easy...

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:30 | 274759 Big Red
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Edit: I would say you are on the right track in the aspect that yes, move all accounts you have with the very large banks and institutions, (and credit cards, etc.) into your local/regional banks/institutions.

In my region  the CU's I can join are rated very, very poorly. (One offers a fantastically-high savings rate right now, but I wonder how they can really do that.... ;-) )

Two banks, one local/smallish-regional (highest-rated), and one large are the highest-rated institution in my area.

I'd be wary of a credit union as much as a bank. (Hell, I'm wary of banks period.)

Note: I used as a significant resource Please advise someone if that's a poor resource.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:04 | 274574 DaddyWarbucks
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My observation is that the Democratic and Republican parties together comprise the largest racketeering organization in our history. Saying anymore just detracts from that statement.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:13 | 274578 BlackBeard
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Better yet, leave the country!

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:16 | 274585 gdub53
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This country died in one second on November 22, 1963.  Period.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:26 | 274599 crosey
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It would have been interesting to see how JFK and RFK, and their posterity, would have handled things.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:17 | 274675 cougar_w
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While I sympathise, I honestly cannot imagine even one thing being any different today.

The fix was in by 1913. Everything since has been one long, slow glide into rigid failure.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:33 | 274614 JW n FL
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Government is a “Tool” of the “Lobby”…

The Lobby is a “Tool” of whoever wields the “Lobby”

The “Lobby” today is used my Big Business (AAA rated Corps. / Banks) to ensure market share or more accurately that those businesses do not lose Market Share and hopefully they are able to grow their foot print thru legislation.

Our economy is not dependant on innovation… it is dependent on Lobby who survives on dollars from “AAA” Rated Corporations… Maintaining Market Share and thusly the circle is complete.


Regardless of who is elected the Lobby will continue to sway legislation; there are no exceptions for this rule.


Control the Lobby and you control the Government.


Kill the Lobby and the Voters are back in control of the Lobby (save the contributors?!).


How many layers can well come up with of legalized corruption? Lobby? Layered Campaign Contribution? Pac Monies? Fund raisers? And on… and on.


So, Obama? Who was cutting the Lobby off at the door of the white house?

***Cough*** “Bullshit” ***Cough***


The President can do nothing without Congress… or the Senate… support.


So who controls the Government? And who control the Lobby? And who used Tarp Monies / Fed Window 0% rates to pay for the death of innovation in favor of the fight for middle market share maintenance, growth or control. Free market only works if you can afford to Lobby vigorously.


Behind The Sentiment Disparity: Main Street Vs. Wall Street


Anyone who says Obama is a Socialist? Or that Bush was not? or maybe that there is a difference between the two?

Just for the fun of it…


There will be “NO!” fundamental changes due to the Lobby and until all of the fractured weirdo groups pool resources and get on the same fucking page… nothing will change. To many chiefs and not enough Indians… that all want the bull pulpit for personal reasons which over shadows any good that could potential come from their speaking publicly.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:48 | 274622 Problem Is
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I have read this guy's analysis of the BLS and unemployment numbers on Seeking Alpha...

I think he has it right... I mean correct.

Some have pointed out that the obstacles to forming a 3rd party are overwhelming... two oligarchy parties create huge barriers to entry... what else is new.

So why do you have to form a 3rd party that is a target?

Independents get on the ballot. Sign an independent contract with the people.

1. I swear to only take campaign money from my constituents, human beings.

2. I swear to take no corporate, lobby, d or r money.

3. I swear to represent my constituents human beings.

We the people kill our teevees...

Stop watching stupid campaign ads and only vote for independents that publicly signed the contract and swear by it.

That gives an instant opposition choice in 2010. So what if they all lose. You have to start somewhere. Keep voting for them.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 19:19 | 275070 WaterWings
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Nice. Agreed. I personally believe the Tea Party was of corporate manufacture, that is, they co-opted the angry, genuine grassroots, then proceeded to burn it with over-fertilization. Now anyone that dissents between the two parties must be a "tea-bagger". WTF.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 13:49 | 274639 JuicyTheAnimal
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This is why I say that the "poor" must stop beating their chests and shooting at each other in misplaced aggression.  I understand why the poor are angry.  They should be angry.  I also understand why they don't know who to point it at and so they point it at who is near.  It's what "they" (the elite) want.  They do not educate them about these things in public school.  The poor must stop grouping the middle with the "white" rich.  The middle is actually becoming the poor also and there are plenty of all color skin in the middle.  

The "middle" must wake up from their large-screen high-def TV induced coma.    The middle must stop blaming the poor for being poor.  The middle must stop their misplaced aggression towards the poor for taking what the government offers them.  The poor doesn't understand that what they are given is stolen from the middle by the rich.  We must understand that the elite rich have intentionally pitted us against each other. 

I am in the "middle" but live amongst the poor.  When I say these things they listen and it makes sense to them. 

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:30 | 274780 strike for retu...
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 I am in the "middle" but live amongst the poor.

Those with money can poor in many ways... spirit, hope, appreciation of life.

I have lived among those who are poor in terms of money, and I have found that many have a great joy in life.  While not representative of the truly poor, these friends of mine have little interest in money and enjoy their lives.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:31 | 274695 theprofromdover
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No taxation without representation.

No representation? -well no taxes then.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 14:35 | 274701 JR
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Who passed healthcare; Democrats? 

No, it was the banks, drug companies, insurance companies, unions, and all the power lobbies who got their cut long before Nancy Pelosi called the roll.  How can you tell?  Because they had the power to stop it and, as anyone can see, they did not. The lobbyists who rode to victory on this bill have as many fingerprints on it as Michigan Congressman Bart Stupak.

Want to know the truth?  Here it is from Congressman Ron Paul (video):

Following months of heated public debate and aggressive closed-door negotiations, Congress finally cast a historic vote on healthcare late Sunday evening. It was truly a sad weekend on the House floor as we witnessed further dismantling of the Constitution, disregard of the will of the people, explosive expansion of the reach of government, unprecedented corporate favoritism, and the impending end of quality healthcare as we know it…

Frustratingly, this legislation does not deal at all with the real reasons access to healthcare is a struggle for so many – the astronomical costs. If tort reform was seriously discussed, if the massive regulatory burden on healthcare was reduced and reformed, if the free market was allowed to function and apply downward pressure on healthcare costs as it does with everything else, perhaps people wouldn’t be so beholden to insurance companies in the first place.

 If costs were lowered, more people could simply pay for what they need out of pocket, as they were able to do before government got so involved. Instead, in the name of going after greedy insurance companies, the federal government is going to make people even more beholden to them by mandating that everyone buy their product!

Hefty fines are due from anyone found to have committed the heinous crime of not being a customer of a health insurance company. We will need to hire some 16,500 new IRS agents to police compliance with all these new mandates and administer various fines. So in government terms, this is also a jobs bill. Never mind that this program is also likely to cost the private sector some 5 million jobs…

Citizens have a responsibility over their own life, but they also have the liberty to choose how they will live and protect their lives. Healthcare choices are a part of liberty, another part that is being stripped away. Government interference in healthcare has already infringed on choices available to people, but rather than getting out of the way, it is entrenching itself, and its corporatist cronies, even more deeply. (emphases mine)

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:11 | 274754 SgtShaftoe
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I think it's time ZH starts making the math problems harder...  The conspiracy fuckjobs are swarming and foaming at the mouth on this post.  And to all the nutjobs: If you're a jackass that believes that the government staged the 9/11 attacks, and the Air Force is streaming "chemical trails" in the exaust of aircraft, you're a goddamn idiot with no capacity for basic logical reasoning!  There, I said it.  The government can't even pull off a real spook conspiracy (look up: glomar explorer). 

The government and business is full of individuals working for their own interests, even Goldman Sachs, you have traders competing against other traders to make the most money, "fuck everyone else".  If a front line trader at GS thought he could make a buck by shitting down Lloyd Blankfien's throat, he'd do it.  That's why we're here where we are!  The quest for wealth at any cost, and with no moral reservations.

These conspiracy idiots really piss me off, there's enough real problems (fed, corruption, et al) that need to be brought to light without muddying the waters with garbage. 

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:34 | 274791 strike for retu...
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Here's a crazy conspiracy theory...

A handful of bored Saudi youths outwitted the US military and forced a peace loving people to start two wars, drop depleted uranium among millions of poor foreigners, steal their countries, cause a huge rise in birth defects (see depleted uranium) and kill millions.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 15:39 | 274799 JR
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What makes you think that those on Goldman’s side would be able to do the tougher math problems? 

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 17:26 | 274956 A_MacLaren
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So you think the Fed is corrupt, but not a conspiracy?

Ben and Alan, by way of example and not limitation, are just misguided but well intentioned souls trying their best to improve the lot of the American people by forthrightly attempting to keep prices stable and ensuring the maximum number of people have the best propects to gainfully contribute toward the growth of the American eCONomy?

The depth of the rabbithole is merely the value of the numerical conversion of "self interest" raised to the power of "greed", and there's nothing down there but rabbit dung?


Wed, 03/24/2010 - 18:23 | 275012 SgtShaftoe
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The fed is what it is... a group of well intentioned fools.  They may have done some things that may be considered "secret" or at least not public, but could hardly be considered a conspiracy theory.  If Harvard economists, historians and government / former and current fed senior leadership will discuss the ideas, and motivations (currency manipulation through the gold price, bailouts of companies, and inflationary policy) as prima facie fact, it's not really a conspiracy theory. 

The conspiracies that don't hold water are those that depend on a nefarious supergovernment scenarios operating in secret... based on an assumption that a government or psudo government agency/collection of agencies can act in concert with thousands of persons involved, across agencies, engineers, demolition experts, to accomplish some feat while making it appear to be caused by something else (9/11 for example).  Since the CIA and FBI are still in a constant pissing match, not precluding the NSA, to believe such a scheme would require one to lack the most basic logical reasoning skills and grasp of emperical justification (Occam's Razor). 

I should also add, in addition to the fed being well intentioned fools, they are obviously influenced by business and the administration du jour.  The government creates self reinforcing feedback loops between business and back into government.  Add enough rounds / cycles, and voila!  It's nothing magical, or under the control of alien beings, it's just how it works.  It's the world we live in.



Wed, 03/24/2010 - 19:25 | 275076 JR
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SgtShaftoe, it’s like a few of your pals leave you standing outside and they go into a tent.  And when they come out they have all your marbles and your money and you say, too bad for me, but I guess they were just “a group of well intentioned fools.”  To say that the private bankers who own the Federal Reserve System--the Morgan/Rothschilds, the Goldmans, the Rockefellers, the Warburgs, the Loebs, the Israel Moses Seifs—are well intentioned is a dangerous mistake.

And I call it conspiracy.

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 10:44 | 275529 WaterWings
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You can put evidence right in their faces and they still scoff and call names. Sgt is probably getting paid to post. Some of the wording changes here and there but its the same strategy to obfuscate, ridicule, and marginalize that we see around here from time to time. 

If only Sgt would read up a little on the history of the Fed and Jekkyl Island.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 22:51 | 275288 chindit13
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Sgt.  You get it.  You understand the nature of the enemy.  You know what the enemy is, and more importantly, you know what the enemy isn't.

I wish you success if and when you decide to fight, for it will only be folks like you who do "get it", who have even the slightest chance of success.  The fringe will be chasing ghosts.

The world is far too complex, there are far too many variables for anyone or any group to have anywhere near the degree of control some folks claim.  To believe that these SUPERMEN exist at best just weakens one's ability to stand up to those who have attained some power, and at worst serves as an excuse not to do anything. 

Those who are able to reach a certain position in life tend to do whatever they can to maintain the position to which they come to feel entitled, but these people are not gods.  They cannot control everything.  They make mistakes.  They will, however, take what they can as long as the masses allow them to do so.

Stop chasing ghosts, accept the fact that those who rule still pull on their slacks one leg at a time, and perhaps the masses can find a way to make this playing field a little more level.

I cannot speak for them, but I suspect this is both the belief of the folks who run this site, and their intent regarding why they do what they do.  They want to crack that sense of privilege the elite feel, first because it is fair and just that it be cracked, and second because it CAN be cracked.  Maybe in the end it will take a little more than blogging and voting and peacefully protesting, but it must start somewhere.

The first step is understanding the real, not the fantastical, state of the problem.

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 00:20 | 275344 JR
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Article 1, Sec. 8, Par. 5 of the Constitution expressly charges Congress with “the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof.”  The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 deprived Congress of its sovereignty and destroyed the system of checks and balances of power set up by Thomas Jefferson in the Constitution.

Anyone who thinks that this private cartel of private bankers, that was established to create money and power for themselves and their friends, is just a group of well-meaning humanitarian fools needs to review the famous Larson cartoon of two dogs conversing in the dog house.

Says one dog to the other: “Look.  You had five bones, right?  Your friend Zooky comes over, stays awhile, then leaves.  Now you have four bones, right? … You don’t have to be ‘Lassie’ to figure this one out.”

And, frankly, you don’t have to be able to do the ZH math to qualify for identifying the world-class thieves that have stolen America’s treasure, the taxpayers’ treasury and America's heritage.  Frankly, it’s becoming a bit of an insult for people not to see this obvious criminal development. 

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 00:21 | 275345 A_MacLaren
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Well this group of fools, intentionally or not, have directly or indirectly, created some of the most abhorent economic and financial conditions this nation and the world have witnessed in generations.

Their policy blunders, if that's all they are, by manipulating the markets overtly and covertly, behind closed doors with decisions made in secret, are destroying this nation.

They may have done some things that may be considered "secret" or at least not public, but could hardly be considered a conspiracy theory.

By many elements of these definitions: it is conspiracy fact, not theory.


  •  An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
  •  A secret plan or agreement to carry out an illegal or harmful act, esp with political motivation; plot

I label the Fed a conspiratorial group, either in and from its founding, and/or in and from its current and past actions.

Where do you stand on Audit the Fed proposals?  Should or shouldn't they open their books?  With an appropriate lag, why shouldn't all policy decisions be open to audit and public review?  Why is it verboten for international banking swap argeements to be reviewed?  Why won't they open their kimono?


Thu, 03/25/2010 - 02:25 | 275390 merehuman
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research shows that the world we live in has demolition crews that bring buildings down just like the towers. Theres a whole lot of proof of inside job. But if you already have your mind made up that theres no conspiracy then evidence doesnt matter.

Wed, 03/24/2010 - 21:30 | 275207 merehuman
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OK I  am a jackass. I* agree. Did you just come to make my day

Thu, 03/25/2010 - 04:01 | 275404 sweet ebony diamond
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i might be a little late with this post but i disagree with the conspiracy theory

the muslims are trying to tell us that we are a completely self-interested, greedy type of homo sapien sapien with a system of governance that does nothing to contain this greed.

they have been telling us this for quite a while, but we don't listen.

they want to get our attention somehow.



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