Guest Post: Is the U.S. a Fascist Police-State?

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Submitted by Gonzalo Lira

But with yesterday’s Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project decision (No. 08-1498, also 09-89) of the Supreme Court, coupled with last week’s Arar v. Ashcroft denial of certiorari (No. 09-923), the case for claiming that the U.S. is a fascist police-state just got a whole lot stronger.

First of all, what is a “fascist police-state”?

A police-state uses the law as a mechanism to control any challenges to its power by the citizenry, rather than as a mechanism to insure a civil society among the individuals. The state decides the laws, is the sole arbiter of the law, and can selectively (and capriciously) decide to enforce the law to the benefit or detriment of one individual or group or another.

In a police-state, the citizens are “free” only so long as their actions remain within the confines of the law as dictated by the state. If the individual’s claims of rights or freedoms conflict with the state, or if the individual acts in ways deemed detrimental to the state, then the state will repress the citizenry, by force if necessary. (And in the end, it’s always necessary.)

What’s key to the definition of a police-state is the lack of redress: If there is no justice system which can compel the state to cede to the citizenry, then there is a police-state. If there exists apro forma justice system, but which in practice is unavailable to the ordinary citizen because of systemic obstacles (for instance, cost or bureaucratic hindrance), or which against all logic or reason consistently finds in favor of the state—even in the most egregious and obviously contradictory cases—then that pro forma judiciary system is nothing but a sham: A tool of the state’s repression against its citizens. Consider the Soviet court system the classic example.

A police-state is not necessarily a dictatorship. On the contrary, it can even take the form of a representative democracy. A police-state is not defined by its leadership structure, but rather, by its self-protection against the individual.

A definition of “fascism” is tougher to come by—it’s almost as tough to come up with as a definition of “pornography”.

The sloppy definition is simply totalitarianism of the Right, “communism” being the sloppy definition of totalitarianism of the Left. But that doesn’t help much.

For our purposes, I think we should use the syndicalist-corporatist definition as practiced by Mussolini: Society as a collection of corporate and union interests, where the state is one more competing interest among many, albeit the most powerful of them all, and thus as a virtue of its size and power, taking precedence over all other factions. In other words, society is a “street-gang” model that I discussed before. The individual has power only as derived from his belonging to a particular faction or group—individuals do not have inherent worth, value or standing.

Now then! Having gotten that out of the way, where were we?

Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project: The Humanitarian Law Project was advising groups deemed “terrorists” on how to negotiate non-violently with various political agencies, including the UN. In this 6-3 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, the Court ruled that that speech constituted “aiding and abetting” a terrorist organization, as the Court determined that speech was “material support”. Therefore, the Executive and/or Congress had the right to prohibit anyone from speaking to any terrorist organization if that speech embodied “material support” to the terrorist organization.

The decision is being noted by the New York Times as a Freedom of Speech issue; other commentators seem to be viewing it in those terms as well.

My own take is, Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project is not about limiting free speech—it's about the state expanding it power to repress. The decision limits free speech in passing, because what it is really doing is expanding the state’s power to repress whomever it unilaterally determines is a terrorist.

In the decision, the Court explicitly ruled that “Congress and the Executive are uniquely positioned to make principled distinctions between activities that will further terrorist conduct and undermine United States foreign policy, and those that will not.” In other words, the Court makes it clear that Congress and/or the Executive can solely and unilaterally determine who is a “terrorist threat”, and who is not—without recourse to judicial review of this decision. And if the Executive and/or Congress determines that this group here or that group there is a “terrorist organization”, then their free speech is curtailed—as is the free speech of anyone associating with them, no matter how demonstrably peaceful that speech or interaction is.

For example, if the Executive—in the form of the Secretary of State—decides that, say, WikiLeaks or Amnesty International is a terrorist organization, well then by golly, it is a terrorist organization. It no longer has any right to free speech—nor can anyone else speak to them or associate with them, for risk of being charged with providing “material support” to this heinous terrorist organization known as Amnesty International.

But furthermore, as per Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, anyone associating with WikiLeaks—including, presumably, those who read it, and most certainly those who give it information about government abuses—would be guilty of aiding and abetting terrorism. In other words, giving WikiLeaks “material support” by providing primary evidence of government abuse would render one a terrorist.

This form of repression does seem to fit the above definition of a police-state. The state determines—unilaterally—who is detrimental to its interests. The state then represses that person or group.

By a 6-3 majority, the Supreme Court has explicitly stated that Congress and/or the Executive is “uniquely positioned” to determine who is a terrorist and who is not—and therefore has the right to silence not just the terrorist organization, but anyone trying to speak to them, or hear them.

And let's just say that, after jumping through years of judicial hoops, one finally manages to prove that one wasn’t then and isn’t now a terrorist, the Arar denial of certiorari makes it irrelevant. Even if it turns out that a person is definitely and unequivocally not a terrorist, he cannot get legal redress for this mistake by the state.

So! To sum up: The U.S. government can decide unilaterally who is a terrorist organization and who is not. Anyone speaking to such a designated terrorist group is “providing material support” to the terrorists—and is therefore subject to prosecution at the discretion of the U.S. government. And if, in the end, it turns out that one definitely was not involved in terrorist activities, there is no way to receive redress by the state.

Sounds like a fascist police-state to me.

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Vendetta's picture

I have no doubt.  The high chancellor told me to not doubt it.

masterinchancery's picture

When and if the US junks freedom of speech, like the UK, Canada, and most of the decaying European world, then it will be a police state.  And there will be major civil unrest, since, unlike the foregoing, US citizens remain heavily armed and many recall that we are nominally protected by the Constitution, the greatest document ever written.

Regina Phalange's picture

Civil unrest cuts into America's Got Talent, so that won't work. Anyway, your freedom of speech is long gone. Just have a look at the PATRIOT Act. Unless of course you're a corporation, well then you're golden.

BobWatNorCal's picture

I don't have the heart to read all 350+ comments...did someone post this quote yet?
After the portentous German novelist Günter Grass once warned that the “dark night of fascism was falling on America,” the American novelist Tom Wolfe riposted “Why is it that ‘the dark night of fascism’ is always falling on America — and always landing on Europe?”

TeddyRoosevelt's picture

Civil unrest cuts into America's Got Talent, so that won't work.


Sabremesh's picture

You are massively in denial. The Constitution is routinely abused by the White House, Congress and SCOTUS, and a complicit media doesn't challenge them. Like you, most US citizens either don't want to know or refuse to accept that your country is no longer a democracy. This guest post clearly demonstrates why the concept of freedom of speech in America is a fiction.

TuffsNotEnuff's picture

Denial ??? Yes, indeed.

For example, the Citizens United ruling created a New Class -- a new definition of what is human and what citizenship entails.

This New Class are "more equal" than any ordinary citizen, apart from the billionaires.

Ordinary citizens are limited by law in their efforts to pay for political favors.

DosZap's picture


Yes we are aware of the abuse, and we are not going to take it much longer.

As for the statement we are no longer a Democracy, we NEVER were.

You have freedom of speech, we're freely speakng NOW.

And against the Gv't...............

I have been doing it for years, and will not stop.

Their are sites that are chock full of military,ex-military,LE, ex LE,and regular Amercians,that are armed to the teeth, and are law abiding citizens, and if the time comes....they will come,they will not go easily into that goodnight.

But, they do not rant and rave about starting a Civil War.

We will know when, there's no will all the other  millions of trained, armed, and proficient soldiers of the Republic that time is not now.

Until then, live in peace, enjoy life as best you can, prepare for the worst, and pray for the best..........lifes short.

When the straw that breaks the camels back hit's ALL will know it.

No one will need to be told.

Hdawg's picture

Like it DosZap!!



velobabe's picture

i didn't know much growing up as a kid, except to listen to my intuition.

i knew from the get-go this country is a fascist police-state.

obey the L A W, or get arrested or who knows what else.

woman especially don't want to get stopped by policemen. cause when i was young no policewoman.

never gotten a speeding ticket, least i can charm my way out. that is as far as i ever pushed doing crime. in fact i think my two life missions were not to get arrested or raped. never possessed weed, until recently either.

A_MacLaren's picture

your country is no longer a democracy

It never was. 

Constitutional Republic is what it used to be.  Now, I'm not so sure.

Vix_Noob's picture

Its still a republic, but now in new and improved Banana flavor!

A_MacLaren's picture

Constituted of plantain mush?

Bananas Foster for everyone!

FourWude's picture

The constitution has been pissed on for decades, and yet I hear very little murmur by the American people. In fact the only things they tend to get angry at is when someone stands up to and questions the Govt. They get more angry when someone declares one of the US's  many wars "illegal" than they do over the actual wars themselves.


You're living in a crafted fantasy where "ideals" will be fought over. The reality is they won't. The only fighting will be when the electrictity is switched off and some lard ass gets angry that his two fans pointed at his manboobs are no longer cooling him down and gets sweaty and decides to voice his anger on the streets.

We all have a breaking point. For the average American it will be when the comfort runs out.

Oh regional Indian's picture

Amen 4wude.

Your post would be hilarious if it was not a statement of these sad times.

When I read all this talk of lead and lead delivery systems, I can only shake my head.

Having been a military officer, I'll tell you this, soldiers are trained, day and night, to obey orders, not their conscience. That is why military mis-adventures bring out the worst in seemingly normal humans. Abu Gharib is a classic case in point.

Better by far to find true fortitude and the calm that the Tao Teh Ching speaks of, so no tiger's claw can hurt you, no spear-tip can find you.

And if per-chance it does, then to merely revel in the transition of phase you are in.



Uncle Remus's picture

Things are likely to be different for Imperial Grunts on their own soil, facing their own people. Everyday brings less to lose.

DosZap's picture


We already are, re-read what he stir up enough poop, you are told to shut up, and if you do not, your a terrorist.

DHS tried to brand the Tea Party a terrorist org, the NRA a terrorist org.....if that's not a Police States tactic, I do not know what one is.The right of supporting/reporting on a Political candidate 60 days prior to an election, has been an ongoing fight fopr over a year..........the Gv't is trying to make it ILLEGAL!!!!!

But, he said it, you said it, there are 80 million plus armed, well over 200 milllion weapons, and trillions of rounds of munitions........if only 5% of that 200 million decide to say FU, then the Gv't is dead meat.........Federal troops will not fire on the People,they hold their oaths to a high std.

Local LE, and other agencies WILL however, but they will be outnumbered 2000-1,,,,,,,,,,

If things to do NOT change course politically after November, and the economy tanks further(planned), then it won't be long before the SHTF.

Mao was a murdering Commie Bastard, but he got one thing the end, "ALL POLITICAL POWER COMES FROM THE BARREL OF A GUN".

Let's hope we do not see one in their right mind does.But, this administration is pushing,hard.

DosZap's picture


Uh Huh, and who are they, where they training, this is wishful thinking.On Barry's part............

Things like this take time, money, and willing members.......

Unless we have had our last free election,this will never come to pass............we have no need for this, nor them.

Ragnarok's picture

Let's hope so, but I think Barry will use the unions and race to stir up a lot of violence in the years ahead.

DosZap's picture


Yes, but...............

Violence and War...are two different things.

ATG's picture

"Federal troops will not fire on the People,they hold their oaths to a high std."


Kent State, Pat Tillman, Ruby Ridge, Waco and foreign troop manoeveres on American soil say you're wrong and living in a world of make-believe.


Maybe Murrah Building, 9-11 and TWA 800 too.


Every week growing armed cops, courts, IRS and numerous government agencies deny civil constitutional rights with impunity and the tacit acquiesence, compliance and enabling of the citizenry and media.


If peaceful citizens surround the White house, Capitol Hill and Supreme Court Building with lawful assembly to exercise their right to petition for redress, just see what happens.


America has the largest prison population in the world, bar none. Just check out Martin Armstrong, held for contempt without trial 7 years, almost beaten to death in prison, driven into a plea bargain, not given credit for time served and still in solitary confinement. His Judge, related to Prescott Bush, never disciplined, let alone disbarred, new bishops of the secular humanism age of technetronic inquisition...

DosZap's picture


Your off the chart bro..........

Kent State was an Accident-National Guard (not Reg Military)

Pat Tilman was FF.(lied about), but not murdered on purpose)

Ruby Ridge was FBI agent -Lon Horiuchi( Gv't lost the case, paid Millions)

Branch Davidians- FBI-Local LE-Military vehicles loaned to BATFE-FBI(on a lie to the Governor that drugs were being sold/distributed there).Went to trial,and most if not all were freed.

Murrah-800?...........Consiracy theory.

Peaceful citizens surrounded the White House ( Fired On?, Dream on), would be the end of the US Gv't.

Martin Armstrong- I do not know about him except their are conflicting stories,(not saying your not spot on) and YES abuses take place, and YES, we are losing legal rights, by Illegal Fiat Laws.( this will not continue,without repercussions).

Prison Poulation- Take out the marijuana and small drug dealers, it drops by a third.Ethnic minorities, Causcasions, are in there for reasons..........they broke real legal laws.........most MANY times.(some innocent?.sure, but mistakes are made in all cases in life.)

Reg US Gvt Agencies- IRS,BATFE-EPA-DHS, are not regular Military, and have their been abuses?, yes.If they intensify, the SWHTF,Americans are peacful people, we believe in the Rule of Law,we are long suffering, but..IF pushed too far.
GET the hell out of dodge.


That's why I said, if it continues, the SWHTF...........

Your arguments have stil not dealt with my statement,that Regular Military would would mean breaking their Oaths,(they take it VERY seriously,if the Constitution is being trampled on, they would likely join the people, or at worst STAND DOWN) and they are Americans just like you and me,our friends, and neighbors.


Dark Space's picture

Branch Davidians - "most if not all were freed" - what about the 82 dead men, women, and children & 4 ATF agents? I guess they were freed too, but probably not in the way they wanted.

ATG's picture


How many 'accidents' does it take for some people to wise up and stop the tragedy of big bad government?

Do you think 9-11 was just another 'accident'? 100 million Americans don't.

To better help you do your homework bro'

Pro Football draft partriot Tillman was fragged because he was going public re civilian deaths. His brother who enlisted and served with him said so.

McChrystal covered it up by signing a false report and was promoted out and up like Lon Horiuchi, a West Point Graduate turned FBI murderer.

FBI crime labs were criminal. J Edgar Hoover was a transvestite blackmailed by the mob to deny Cosa Nostra and collect dirt on judges and politicians to control them. He also smeared Martin Luther King Jr and other leaders, Ever hear of Cointelpro bro'?

After taking Swiss money from the PRC Red Army, Hillary Clinton and her bartender used 900 raw FBI Files illegally to keep the Senate from ending their term after the House had the integrity to impeach her disloyal husband, not for treason, but for sex.

The CIA, DIA and NSA were supposed to only operate abroad and the FBI domestically, according to their charters and the law. Guess what?

Randy Weaver was entrapped by the BATF because he refused to snitch on a white separatist.

His hunting dog and son were killed by US Marshalls from a Blind Ambush with crazy rules of engagement that allowed them to fire first on civilians. His wife was shot in the head while holding their baby when she came to the front door after the sniper shot on her husband's spine, while he was paying repects to his dead son in the outside cooler, shattered his elbow when he moved.

If Bo Gritz had not shown courage and negotiated a truce, the entire family would have been wiped out without justice or fair press coverage.

The FBI head of the Ruby Ridge operation was promoted to number two in the FBI by Clinton and Reno for his dirty work coverup. It was only the local sheriff and courts that had the integrity to find justice and award damages. Thanks to internet transparency, the FBI realized their control of Higher Courts and Presses would do further damage.

Obama Bills from Congress and Executive Orders allow the President to tax access, shut down the internet or even apply the fairness doctrine determined by yet another government bureaucracy beside education, energy, Fed, healthcare, homeland security and IRS which basically add nothing to the GDP but add to consumer costs and the real CPI.

WACO was BATF PR stunt informer blowback, with helicopter snipers on lawful Davidians tipped off by local law enforcement and journalists who knew the Davidians from their regular trips into town where they could have been quietly apprehended and tried in a couert of law by a jury of their peers.

After months of loudspeaker psychological torture by 'save the children' Janet Reno and her FBI, who also took Elian Gonzales from his family at pre-dawn SWAT gunpoint to return him to worker's paradise in Cuba with his remarried father, which his mother died fleeing with her son, Wesley Clarke dispatched AFB military tanks and troops armed with howitzers and incendiary lethal gas to finish them off with no witnesses.

People of all ages running from a burning building with their arms raised were gunned down by government agents.

Clarke's violation of posse comitatus was the reason he was unelectable and withdrew from the 2004 Presidential Primary to endorse Vietnam Purple Heart Swiftboat 'Hero' Skull & Bones Kerry.

The Press Secretary to JFK and LBJ covered in depth Lockerbie Pan Am 103 that killed an airline and 270 people. He voiced evidence TWA 800 was taken down by a Navy Stinger Missile. An experienced Naval Crash Investigator called the NTSB report a whitewash and died of a brain tumour after Congress and the media ignored his and FBI findings.

You call facts conspiracy theory? 

You think the governor of Oklahoma when Murrah exploded and his brother were conspiracy nitwits?

WACO Operation records were stored in the Oklahoma Murrah Building along with a lot of war materiels on domestic soil for renegade black special ops.

Governor Keating was former head of the ATF via Treasury Enforcement and oversaw US Interpol activities. He was a special agent with FBI for left wing terrorist operations on west coast in 1969.

Gov Keating's brother Martin wrote a book about the bombing of a Federal Building with an antihero named TOM McVay, copyrighted almost 2 years BEFORE the OKC Blast.

It is now available as "The Last Jihad" ISBN 0964704811, changed from the original manuscript. M. Keating also published a book in 1988 called "The City that Refused to Die" wherein a group of Oklahomans blew up buildings.

Frank Keating, a Robert Novak sponsored presidental candidate in 2008, was a ranking member of the Knights of Malta since 1988 and resigned without apology from the Catholic Review Board after comparing the leaders of the Catholic Church to the mafia:  "to resist Grand Jury subpoenas, to suppress the names of offending clerics, to deny, to obfuscate, to explain away; that is the model of a criminal organization, not my church."

There are any number of facts Timothy McVeigh was a patsy setup like Oswald:

Driving away from the scene of a crime without a license plate, seen on a McDonald's security cam far away just before the purported Ryder Truck rental, photo of the Ryder truck in a secured Army compound, like 9-11 eyewitness reports of special ops personnel going and out secured doors near structural supports, 8 second blast on the seismographs equal to later controlled demolition, clearly not caused by a single fertilizer bomb, concealed evidence including cordoning and promptly razing the buildng without forensics, 3000 FBI files the Judge on the case refused to admit as evidence, though they reportedly showed a Iraqi liked with German intelligence. Soldiers are trained to follow orders.

The McVeigh case never put him on the stand and was prosecuted by the same Chicago US Attormey Patrick Joseph Fitzgerald who was National Security Coordinator in NYC, investigated Osama bin Laden, embassy bombings and prosecuted politically sensitive cases on the Gambino Family, Illinois Governor George Ryan, Mayor Daley Aides, Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahmanand Valerie Plame. Interesting PJF never prosecuted Robert Novak at WaPost who first blew her CIA cover and ended her career.

Do you really think Oswald and Sirhan used a single magic bullet to kill the Kennedys without accomplices, or that JFK Jr's plane crash after he decided to run for President was another accident?

They no longer teach real civics in illegal alien PC Public Schools after Courts overruled Prop 187 Law, the primary reason CA is bankrupt with one third of their budget Public Education the lottery was supposed to fund before it got criminalized.

Why not complete your education and learn about Martin Armstrong here?:

Learn about Court Corruption here:

Suggesting a third of the 7 million in jail, parole, prison or probation are just in there for pot or accidental mistakes is like asking Mrs Lincoln how she enjoyed the play.

Prohibition empowered criminal untouchables and Elliot Ness. Still does. The number one item on Obama's election website was decriminalizing marijuana and taxing it. Then government would have to invent another war, maybe obesity.

Government privatised the criminal justice system and military with mercenaries like Blackwater, HalliburtonKBR, Wackenhut, Xe or other contract hit firms to avoid accountability, transparency and break their own laws, the most recent example being the BP spill stonewall with lies, liability releases, no respirators and security sealing the area from factfinders:

Your implication the regular military would not violate posse comitatus is absurd fantasy.

They already have, with numerous documented military manoevers, operations and hits on American citizens and foreign powers abroad and here on domestic soil:

Obama called 1700 National Guard to camp by the border doing nothing to provide him political cover for amnesty and illegal voter registration.

If the National Guard is not part of the military called up to kill and be killed overseas and domestically by black special ops, who is?

The IRS was repeatedly used by Nixon and other administrations for political suppression.

Ask why NPR and PBS under Clinton continued to spew their tax-exempt bias while the Ralph Reed and Pat Robertson Christian Coalition of America lost theirs?

Ask why Clinton continues to enjoy tax exempt-foundation status while campaigniong for his wife and running off to North Korea to negotiate government matters as a civilian, for which Jimmy and Billy Beer Carter got into deep trouble with Libya.

Ask why have government agencies assumed military police powers with no squeal from the government monopoly media?

Why are Federal Buildings armed and barricaded against American citizens while the Constitutional right to carry arms is routinely infringed by confiscation, eg Katrina?

Why should a forest ranger or IRS agent carry a concealed gun?

Read up on FEMA, Homeland Security, HUD, Iran Contra or Mena sometime to learn who was on the skim and take while violating posse comitatus.

Better yet, read the Declaration of Independence and Constitution against quartering standing armies.

Why should a detective, forest ranger or IRS agent carry a concealed weapon while government disarms civilians?

Since when did government officials honour their sacred oaths to preserve protect and defend the Constitution? At least not since the War of 1812, Civil War or 1913.

The German Jewish population believed in the rule of law too. How far did that get them under the National Socialists?

Those that do not learn history are condemned to repeat it.

Or keep on covering their eyes, ears, head and mouth with that tin foil.

Big bad government Constitutional due process is long gone.

Vets who survived up to six tours of senseless war duty were considered potential criminals by big sister Janet at Homeland Security.

Are you a government agent apologist or collaborator?

Just sayin' and askin'...




DosZap's picture


I am aware of most of what you wrote, that said, doesn't mean I believe it.

I will totally agree with you that our Gv't, and it's Institutions are almost all totally corrupt.

As for the TIN foil..................I suggest you make your own hat also. Because several of your items are just theories..........

Until they all can be proven,(beyond a shadow of a doubt) then it's a theory, or conspiratorial.

Your beliefs are yours, mine are mine.............

Bringin It's picture

DZ - I'm experiencing Cognative Dissonance.  You had some pretty good posts.  What happened?


ATG's picture

Off the chart, eh DZ?

Always enjoy a profitable rollicking breakout to new highs or lows.

Re "Peaceful citizens surrounded the White House ( Fired On?, Dream on), would be the end of the US Gv't." snip

Perhaps you did not hear of the Bonus Army in Spring and Summer of 1932?

Seems Woodrow Wilson promised soldiers GI benefits for offering themselves up to trench warfare artillery and mustard gas.

When these compound interest benefit IOUs were not cashed by subsequent Administrations, popular war hero U.S.M.C. Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler encouraged a peaceful march on Washington to focus their attention on the folks who saved Europe and the Republic after fighting for freedom.

It was Smedley who became famous later for denouncing war as a profiteering racket by bankers and industry at the expense of loyal soldiers and their families.

43,000 unemployed veterans, families and friends marched and camped out peacefully in the DC bog.

On July 28 Attorney General Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. The DC police came, shots were fired, and two armed veterans were killed.

Then Hoover called out the cavalry, infantry and tanks on Army veterans, led by none other than Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur, Major George Patton and Dwight D Eisenhower as liason to the DC police.

The infantry used fixed bayonets and the cavalry dispersed adamsite gas, a vomiting agent made with arsenic. The tanks crushed tents and the families cowering inside. Two more peaceful veterans died, and the entire encampment was burned to the ground.

When FDR was elected, he still refused to pay the Service certificates before 1945. Eleanor Roosevelt urged desperate veterans to apply to the Works Progress Administration building the Key West Highway.

Several hundred more vets were killed in the Florida Keys Hurricane of 1935. Congress overrode the FDR veto to pay the bonus in 1936.

MacArthur, Patton and Ike went on to become World War II heroes after firing on fellow Americans, one a President, hardly the end of US Government.

We could go back to the Whiskey Tax Rebellion put down by General Washington for bastard Treasurer New York Banker Alexander Hamilton who redeemed Continental scrip in silver for his cronies, but what the heck?

What if Social Security wimps in the White House say we can no longer pay you for a hamburger today, but will glady pay you on Tuesday in thirty years?

It pays to learn history and think out of the box.

For the rest of the details:


zaknick's picture

DZ, you're lost in space too:


Drugging America: A Trojan Horse by Rodney Stich on


and Michelles Alexander's "The New Jim Crow" on Youtube

fuu's picture

Did we read the same article? This clearly shows that free speech is and can be junked on 1 person's say so and there is no redress. Although I am not a lawyer, you sir appear to be deluded.

JR's picture

It’s symbolic that Rolling Stone’s bombshell on the McChrystal comments occurred on the same day of the U.S. Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision to support upholding the ban on peaceful support by Americans to groups and organizations the government identifies as “terrorists.”

Both developments are part of the tragic path the United States finds itself in with an undeclared, open-ended, continuous war on “terror” a seemingly never ending list of enemies that the government will define.

There’s little doubt that “terror” has come to be identified primarily with the enemies of Israel and it’s becoming a tough sell in the world for NATO allies of the U.S, for commanders such as McChrystal and for an increasing number of Americans.

The controversy isn’t helped by key personalities who carry the U.S. foreign policy to the regions, such as Vice President Joe Biden and Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Holbrooke, being Jewish and with a long history of pro-Israel stances and bias, is an obvious problem for a diplomat in the region; and Biden is an embarrassment with outspoken bias.  Recent speech: “Throughout my career, Israel has not only remained close to my heart but it has been the center of my work as a United States Senator and now as Vice President of the United States,”    reminding listeners, “Were I a Jew, I would be a Zionist…you need not be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

And now comes the U.S. Supreme Court decision to back all the details of the “war on terror,” and make no mistake, it is a decision that supports the interests of Israel over the freedoms of U.S. citizens.

The “terrorists” groups identified by the government are the enemies of Israel.  But strangely enough, the Supreme Court ruling has more to do with the freedom of speech, and freedom of action, of Americans citizens than terrorism.  Dismissing the “missed messages” from the 9/11 attacks, America entered continuous war, not against nations or armies, but against an enemy all over the world that would be identified by political decisions on a day-by-day basis.

This undeclared war on “terror” received immediate support from an AIPAC-controlled Congress, too timid to even pass a declaration of war. And, now, no less that lifetime Supreme Court justices issue ruling after ruling wiping away Geneva conventions, supporting torture, enabling government crackdown on completely new categories of uncharged, un-indicted, and occasionally unidentified, enemy combatants.

This New America has the stench of a police state and the ring of tyranny all around its leadership.

You doubt me?  Why didn’t Congress pass a formal declaration of war before the extremely aggressive attack on Iraq?  Why did the military and the CIA with congressional support refuse to treat enemies, either under the Geneva Convention or return them to U.S. soil for indictments?  Why, without even formal war declarations, has the Supreme Court tailored its rulings to wartime retaliations and measurements?

Here is why there is no declaration of war: it is so that the Administration, with the support of the court, can target, at will, any enemy, individual, charity organization, foreign financial institution, without identifying a state of war.   In short, there is no living person on this planet that an American can give money to or offer support for without threat of punishment for helping an enemy that the government selects; an enemy almost assuredly an enemy of Israel.  Such is indefensible tyranny.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle’s article June 22, Giving Peace Advice to Terrorists Can Be Illegal by Bob Egelko:  During arguments in February, Solicitor General Elena Kagan, now President Obama's nominee to the court, defended the law and urged a broad interpretation that would allow prosecution of a U.S. citizen who filed a legal brief on behalf of a terrorist organization.

"What Congress decided," Kagan told the court, "is that when you help Hezbollah build homes, you are also helping Hezbollah build bombs."

velobabe's picture

JR you are incredibly educational for me. i learn a lot about this country and the world, i live in reading all of your well constructed posts. you put a lot together that i can understand. so thanks. embarrassingly i didn't really care about all this. i was very radical in the 60's. then dropped out, forever. i do want to learn now, cause it is exciting to be educated and enlightened, to reflect on all the crap i was raised with and believed. i guess i have been some what of a traitor. always wanted to live in europe since H.S. but i am so bad with languages just wasn't possible. hardly know the english one very well. i am my own anchor.

know Ø about israel. isn't that horrible. i wasn't aware of the jewish religion until H.S. went to austria for semester and they took us to a concentration camp for a weekend outing. i never in my life knew. who said ignorance isn't bliss. i did read rolling stone magazine all my life, that was my priority† hey, someone has to have all the fun!

JR's picture

Thanks, Velobabe, for taking the time to respond!  Among your endearing charms—even when you’re being “tough”-- is your innocence; and one of your greatest qualities is that you have an open mind, a quality which makes Zero Hedge a magnet for people like us. Combined with a bit of Tyler Durden fighting spirit, that’s a winning combo in my book—and not too many people have it.

And still, "ain't we got fun"? You betcha, Red Ryder!

ATG's picture

Hear ye Hear ye all sovereign citizens who value their liberty, prosperity and lives...

Bringin It's picture

Great post JR. 

There’s little doubt that “terror” has come to be identified primarily with the enemies of Israel

We've all been pressed like unwilling conscripts into wars that will never end on behalf of the Zionist entity.

Money is protected speech for the PTBs while speech is banned, material support when the people reach out to the oppressed.  How can this be so?

AnAnonymous's picture

Dont take it back but you misportrayed freedom of speech.

In nearly all regimes since dawn of times, people are free to tell harmless stuff.

When a guy was too vocal, he was sent to the desert so he could speak.

The Internet is no different save it is a desert people choose. They go on the Internet, vent their frustration and seem surprised they can do something that is absolutely not threatening to the power.

Get back to Earth. It has been the norm.

An other side is that people can tell true facts without them bearing consequences. Why censor a guy who can indict another as a criminal with evidences and stuff if it is known that telling will not trigger a trial?

If a guy has robbed and knows that others can tell and prove he has robbed with no consequences for him, no needs to try to suppress freedom of speech. Let people talk. The guy is out of reach for law. Why should he bother about freedom of speech?


doublethink's picture


Sooner Than You Think?


In eagerly awaited rulings, the nation's highest court is expected to decide the constitutionality of a national board that polices auditors of public companies and whether gun rights extend to every state and city in the nation.


dcb's picture

wanted to add this from huff post:

title is:Internet 'Kill Switch' Approved By Senate Homeland Security Committee

can't have thos pesky wikkileaks people and zero hedge people communicating about how we are robbing the public blind

Bananamerican's picture

 Is the U.S. a Fascist Police-State?


Is a bear Catholic?

Does the Pope shit in the woods?


but i think you catch my drift....

Amish Rake Fighter's picture

first they came for you people....and I said nothing

dabug's picture

I got it (swap bear for pope, pope for bear), am I alone?

Bananamerican's picture

"am I alone?"


yea. except for that glossy of megan fox....

mtomato2's picture

"You people?"  WTF?  I have an Eagle Scout.  Bite me.


BTW, I'm not the one who junked you.  Just so you know.

I save all my junks for Augustus.  But not to worry;  he (she?) only trolls on GW's missives.

tmosley's picture

I don't think I have ever read a comment by a person more deserving of the future that they are going to get than this one.

Enjoy your hell on Earth.

Edit: You know, I really wish when junk disappeared, it would leave some sort of trace, rather than just making all the replies that went with it look like they were replying to the person the junkie was replying to.

akak's picture

TMosley, that is why I ALWAYS respond to suspected future "junk ghosts" with a QUOTE of their original comment --- that way, the thread is not left muddled and confused when their comment is junked and disappears.

Please, everyone, PLEASE always respond to potentially junkable comments WITH A QUOTE!

akak's picture

(Lord, this site sucks in the frequency of its lockups and glacial responses!  Somehow I managed to TRIPLE-post this time!)