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Guest Post: US Justice Department Logic: Bernanke Is A Domestic Terrorist
Submitted by Sovereign Man, Simon Black
US Justice Department logic: Bernanke is a domestic terrorist
The United States Department of Justice delivered a very clear and unfortunate message on Friday:
“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are
simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of
anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit
as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic
stability of this country.”
These remarks were released by the US Attorney’s office
in the western district of North Carolina following the conviction of
one Bernard von NotHaus, the creator of the ill-fated Liberty Dollar.
As you likely recall from a few years ago, Liberty Dollars were
privately minted gold and silver rounds. Paper certificates, akin to
warehouse receipts were also issued, effectively giving the bearer a
right to claim a certain amount of gold or silver at the group’s
warehouse in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.
This is traditionally how the system of money used to function–
precious metals would be stored in private, secure storage facilities,
and paper certificates were issued as a medium of exchange that entitled
the bearer to redeem metal from the vault. Liberty Dollars represented
a return to that system.
Clearly, the Justice Department feels otherwise… instead viewing
these silver rounds as an attempt by terrorists to undermine the US
dollar.
Interesting choice of words. Undermine? “verb [transitive]. to erode
the base or foundation of something. to damage or weaken, especially
gradually. ”
Funny, this sounds a lot more like quantitative easing than anything
else. Ben Bernanke, in creating trillions of new dollars and debasing
the value thereof, is guilty of the same insidious acts, and similarly,
he represents a clear and present danger to the economic stability of
the United States.
Somehow, though, I doubt that Homeland Security chief Janet
Napolitano or Attorney General Eric Holder will end up labeling Mr.
Bernanke as a domestic terrorist.
Von NotHaus faces up to 15 years in prison on one count and 5 years
on two others. Punitively, this is more serious than engaging in female
genital mutilation (5-years, section 116 of Title 18, US Code), certain
types of assault (as little as six months, section 113), or, ironically,
bank robbery (10-years, section 2113b).
The US government obviously has its priorities straight.
As for the total amount of Von NotHaus’ gold and silver booty? A
whopping $7 million, roughly .000083% of Bernanke’s $8.4 trillion money
supply. Von NotHaus was so insignificant he wasn’t even in the ballpark
of a rounding error. By definition, this couldn’t possibly constitute a
danger to the economy.
Realistically, the government’s 6-year effort to bring him down had
one single purpose: to send a message. Uncle Sam is telling us very
clearly, “You WILL use our rapidly depreciating dollars… and anything we
don’t like in our sole discretion, we will label as domestic
terrorism.”
If safeguarding the purchasing power of savings is considered
domestic terrorism, what else is considered terrorism? I think this also
begs the question of whether gold and silver confiscation is on the
table… I’d love to hear your thoughts.
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They said undermine, not completely destroy...it's different.
Jim, you make a damn good point - +1
This is a word we need to start using in association with the Federal Reserve "Financial terrorism". I tried to get an ad campaign up on Google using those words, but alas, it was not to be.
The guys in charge ARE criminals, USE fear constantly to manipulate people, some of them are completely void of empathy, and possibly even Satanic.
Check out the Capital Reseach Institute "The Day The Standards Died":
http://www.capitalresearchinstitute.org
We have spent a lot of time discussing the Gold standard and what it means to have the world reserve currency here at the Capital Research Institute. But today we want to look at something a little different, but just as crucial: the importance of accounting standards. OK, OK, I am hearing the yawns already, just bear with me! When the Financial Crisis hit in late 2008 not only did Capitalism die, when the Government decided bankrupt firms (of their choosing) should no longer be exposed to the risk of failure! The history books are going to be speechless on that one, and will simple relate: “It seemed like a good idea at the time!?!?” But what may have slipped under a lot of (non-accounting) people’s noses was that accounting standards were also effectively removed at that time. The most important of which were mark-to-market accounting rules.
I got into a tiff yesterday. I guess I am more ZH than anything. (How, embarrassing; what is my mother gonna think?)
http://forums.wallstreetexaminer.com/topic/946626-quote-of-the-day/
too funny.
zinger!!!!!!!
+1
How about this swap out your FRNs for lawful money of the United States:
12 USC Sec. 411 02/01/2010
TITLE 12 - BANKS AND BANKING
CHAPTER 3 - FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
SUBCHAPTER XII - FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES
HEAD
Sec. 411 Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption
STATUTE
Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.
Good thing they've got enough gold and silver to redeem all those FRN's out there...at current prices.
bonus math captcha: __ times one equals nine.
this would be true...if we were a nation of laws that are equally applied to all...but we are not.
gold and silver confiscation is on the table? haha I love them to try and find my silver. let alown know how much i have. hahaha good luck BITCHEZ
Executive Order XXX gives the right to property searches with metal detectors to any properly designated federal official.
And if you store it off-property, then that implanted GPS, required by Executive Order XXX+1 will allow them to find it anyway.
flight to safety = FarmVille dollars
canned food and shotguns are the only real flight to safety...all else is delusion.
So your telling me by Executive order the Prez can throw the 4th Amendment out the door? I doubt that will hold up in court!
I would tell them to fuck off with the end of my .45 if they step foot on my privet property
In a crisis event that requires confiscation, you will be a small minority trying to enforce your right against the seizure. You can wipe your ass with the constitution, today. What makes you think it will mean anything at that time? By the time they step on your property, your .45 will be in your cold, dead hand.
Yeah i guess your right...... still good luck finding it or knowing how much i have
if you think you still have some 4th Amendment protection...then you simply have NOT been paying attention. Those rights died on September 12, 2001...along with many other...in the name of "national security".
If you examine the bill of rights you will see that the only right which still remains in tact is the 2nd Amendment...and I'm sure you are well aware of the fact that it has been under attack for quite some time now.
This is not the America you read about when you were a kid. This is the REAL face of Amerika.
Welcome to the layer cake.
They've got it covered:
"LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Engineering firm Aecom Technology Corp. said Monday that its joint venture with L-3 MPRI has been awarded a contract to provide professional, financial and legal support to the Department of Justice's Asset Forfeiture Program."
BTW, L-3 is the same beltway bandit helping the TSA secure our airports against terrorists, foreign and domestic. I'm sure the Asset Forfeiture Program will be expanded to include the crops of midnight gardeners.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Aecom-L3-venture-wins-Dept-of-apf-10358256...
Don't be an idiot. They can locate precious metals and crude reserves below the ground from satellites. You really think you can hide your silver without them finding it...and if they do find it ...what's your recourse? What will you do with your hidden supply of gold once the confiscation program begins? Become a dentist? lol. You'd be better off fighting the system corruptness now rather than wait until they come for your gold. Its amazing what is substituted for reality nowadays.
Speaking of reality - they cannot find reserves by satellite. They can spot geological patterns indicative of reserves. They still need to test drill and mine to actually find the stuff.
They arent going to go around door to door looking for PMs, it wont be practical.. They might tax the mining sector heavily or nationalize it..
The surest way to ensure the flight of gold and silver from the country is to try to outlaw it.
Oh, can they? Then why are gold and silver still rare and precious? Why haven't new hordes of gold and silver flooded the market from all the satellites scanning the Earth? Perhaps they are running overtime looking for bin Laden?
I am Chumbawamba.
They arent going to go around door to door looking for PMs, it wont be practical.. They might tax the mining sector heavily or nationalize it.. The surest way to ensure the flight of gold and silver from the country is to try to outlaw it.
Perhaps some time in ze cooler will make you talk (insert German Hogan's Heroes-type accent)!
Well, when is the DOJ going to have him arrested, charge him and start the trial?
Isn't sedition punishable by death?
How many deaths is The Bernank literally responsible for, now, due to surging commodity (and food) prices, alone?
I paid 9 dollars for a baconator and frosty today at my wendys
In your face, America!
I think Simon Black reads my blog on a regular basis, that's what I think:
Owning Gold & Silver is TerrorismGood call John
Thanks paz, it was easy to see.
We (the US) jumped the shark
Tragic Irony or Poetic Justice - Ben Bernacke, Ben Bernacke, please pick up the white courtesy phone in the lobby for an important message...
The Do"J" might actually be right. If Joe/Jane 4 Pack had a NotHaus coin, they might learn to prefer it to the Queasing Fiat, and metalheads *never* become paperbugs. It's the story of real money they are trying to quash here, not the actual coins. Stories can spread and cause 'unrest.'
I don't think NotHaus is going to get his PMs back. The punishment certainly does not fit the 'crime' and reminds me of the dude who got 30 yrs in Texas jail for two joints. Banana Republic is bananas (no offense to the tasty if slightly radioactive fruit).
Next step is Bartering.
If you help your neighbor cut down a tree and he helps you build a dog house,
You May be in the near future be declared Domestic Terrorists.
You chose to circumvent using FRNs between those to transactions.
You are a threat to national Security.
Well, each of you has the option of being a "good citizen" and paying taxes on the market value of the services you and your neighbor received from each other.
/.
hey guys... long time reader and first time poster. Much thanks to ZH and this community for offering the red pill and showing how deep the rabbit hole goes!
just waiting to see how long they can keep this global circlejerk going for...
Welcome aboard.
and in a few days all that states trying to implement a gold and silver standard will
be invaded by the teleprompter and benocide
What kind of a jury did they build?
Any stories about the voir dire process for jury selection?
This is political theatre not justice.
Is there any appeal available to the victim?
Jury nullification? Here is how the DOJ is dealing with that issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/nyregion/26jury.html?_r=1
The guy was standing outside the courthouse, handing out leaflets. Now he faces time in Club Fed.
Does anyone remember when we had a Constitution?
Well, let me just write that I think any juror that ends up on this case should immediately acquit him since the pers...er... prosecution is illegitimate.
Can we use this precedent to sue the fed?
Already in process. Met the founder of the project this weekend at the Save America Convention:
http://www.suethefed.com/
AG Eric Holder asked Anne Tompkins, the U.S. Attorney for that district, for a blow job, and boy did she ever give hiim one.
I am sure all the people involved in this in western mass are on terrorist watch lists www.berkshares.org/
Heaven forbid we actually get a currency worth something or, at least backed up by something other than a gentle kiss before the complete raping...
what??!! you got a kiss first? no fair.
JFK's executive order 11110 establishing silver currency was also domestic terrorism. Someone didn't think impeachment was a sure enough solution.
US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians
Commanders brace for backlash of anti-US sentiment that could be more damaging than after the Abu Ghraib scandal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/us-army-kill-team-afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians
The original article with three (3) pictures from Der Spiegel
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,752272,00.html
Tail, that is just plain sick. any human being getting pleasure out of killing another human being is psycho..deranged.
I watched the movie restrepo either on nat geo or history channel and U.S. snipers were picking off enemy forces(granted the ones they were killing were armed) but it still sickened me to see them hoot and hollar when they got a kill like it was a video game.
You can't make this shit up. Does the DOJ not see the irony or are they establishing the precident for when the pitchforks come out and they have to prosecute the Bernank? I bet they're laughing their asses off at the FED.
Justice isn't blind it's selective.
...of the government, by the government, for the government.
According to the position of this government concerning actions and beliefs of their citizens, the following people would have also been considered domestic terrorists":
George Washinton, THomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine (amongst other great patriots)
People Who Opposed the Central Banking Scheme
The Signers of the Constitution The Revolution was fought for Independence from England's Central Banking System, as well as for Freedom from English Taxation. Many of the Signers lost everything, and some, their lives, in this English War of Conquest.
Those who fought and died in the War of 1812 Another English War of Conquest-
The Bank of England financed this renewed attempt to get control of our Commerce, Trade, and Money Systems. BEN FRANKLIN - THE TWO BANKING SYSTEMS From the autobiography of Ben Franklin, as reported by Gertrude Coogan in "Money Creators": ...the inability of the colonists to get the power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.
Ben Franklin answering a question about the booming economy of the young colonies: "That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportions to the demands of trade and industry." (Colonial Scrip had no debt or interest attached.
See Essay on Colonial Scrip.
Alexander Hamilton-(1755-1804) Founded the first central bank in the United States.
International bankers saw that interest-free scrip would keep America free of their influence, so by 1781 banker-backed Alexander Hamilton succeeded in starting the Bank of America. After a few years of "bank money", the prosperity of "Colonial Scrip" was gone. Benjamin Franklin said, "Conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity had ended and a depression set in to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with the unemployed!" Bank money was like our FED money. It had debt and interest attached.
By 1790 Hamilton and his bankers had created a privately owned central bank and converted the public debt (interest-free) into interest bearing bonds, payable to the bankers. When Hamilton's bank charter expired in 1811, the international bankers started the war of 1812. By 1816, another privately-owned U.S. bank was started with $35 million in assets - only $7 million of that was owned by the government. This bank lasted for 20 years. U.S. history shows that currency with debt and interest attached created a depression.
{Alexander Hamilton was killed in a duel, in 1804 by Aaron Burr, a British Sympathizer.}
Napoleon Bonaparte-(1769-1821) Emperor of France(1804-1815) Had a free hand in Europe as long as he borrowed from the Bank of Rothschilds. When he quit borrowing he was attacked by the English. Napoleon, a sympathizer for the international bankers, turned against them in the last years of his rule. He said: "When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."
Andrew Jackson, 7th U.S. President, 1829-1824 When the 1816 charter expired in 1836, Andrew Jackson vetoed its renewal. See Jackson's Veto Message to Congress It was then that he made two famous statements: "The Bank is trying to kill me - but I will kill it!" Later he said "If the American people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system - there would be a revolution before morning..."
Abraham Lincoln-(1809-1865) the 16th President of the U.S.-Assassinated while in Office. In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln made a point to discuss the role of Capital and Labor. Significant national issues were, at that time, in the first official speech, immediately after a Presidential Election.
Lincoln spoke on finances and government: "In his First Annual Message to Congress, December 3, 1861, Abraham Lincoln stated: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed, if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights."
President Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War, and the international bankers offered him loans at 24-36% interest. Lincoln balked at their demands because he didn't want to plunge the nation into such a huge debt. Lincoln approached Congress about passing a law to authorize the printing of U.S. Treasury Notes. Lincoln said "We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had - their own paper money to pay their debts..." Lincoln printed over 400 million "Greenbacks" (debt and interest-free) and paid the soldiers, U.S. government employees, and bought war supplies. The international bankers didn't like it and wanted Lincoln to borrow the money from them, so that the American people would owe tremendous interest on the loan. Lincoln's solution made this seem ridiculous. Shortly after Lincoln's death, the government revoked the Greenback law which ended Lincoln's debt-free, interest-free money. A new national banking act was enacted and all currency became interest-bearing, debt instruments, again.
James A. Garfield-(1831-1881) 20th President of the United States. Assassinated in Office.
President James A. Garfield said: "Whoever controls the money in any country is absolute master of industry [legislation] and commerce".
See Kennedy SolutionLouis T. McFadden,-Chairman of the House Banking Committee-(1928-1935) After two attempts on his life in 1933-1934, McFadden died "mysteriously" in 1935.
See His Comments in the Essay on Colonial Scrip.
John F. Kennedy -(1917-1963)-35th President of the United States- Assassinated in Office.
On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110.
This Executive Order called for the issuance of new currency -
the United States Note. At the time, $4,292,893 of this currency was put into circulation. This new currency was to be distributed through the U.S. Treasury and not the Federal Reserve System. Furthermore, it was to be issued debt and interest-free.
Upon Kennedy's assassination, this currency was withdrawn from circulation, never to be issued again.
Thanks for the review. Why does a sovereign nation borrow its own money from private corporations? The Original Sin of our economy...
Exactly.
Here's the simple question that Bernanke will NEVER answer, let alone BE ASKED -
Why does the United States Government NEED TO BORROW MONEY FROM YOU & YOUR FILTHY ILK AT THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, and why do her citizens NEED TO PAY YOU AND YOUR FILTHY ILK INTEREST?
Need to fix your dates for Andrew Jackson.
1829 – 1837
I can't now, but thanks for the correction, ETC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtg7fNFdZxI&feature=feedu
Where the flock are those sharks with the lasers when you need them.
"We have sea bass..."
Indeed, I see "Bubbles" Bernanke's monetary policy as dollar terrorism. And it's going to get much worse.
This last weekend, after thoroughly documenting the inflationary consequenceses of QE2, John Mauldin ended with this:
" I come to the end of the letter with a brief note on a very worrisome conversation I had yesterday with Martin Barnes, editor of the esteemed Bank Credit Analyst. Martin is one of the people I call when I want to know what the Fed might do. I guess I was looking for assurance that the Fed would not do QE3. I did not get it.
“Look, John” (insert Scottish brogue as I paraphrase), “if the Fed sees the economy rolling over into recession they will put their mandate for employment ahead of their mandate for stable prices.”
“But that would mean higher inflation in the face of a slow economy.”
“And?” he shot back. “That would just be the price of trying to increase employment, in their minds.”
“But at some point you have to bring out your inner Volker!” I intoned. “What about the future?”
The conversation continued, but I never got my warm and fuzzy assurances. For the record, another round of QE, unless there is a true liquidity crisis (and the last QE did not qualify!), would be a disaster, at least from the cheap seats where I sit. There are all sorts of inflationary and stagflationary consequences, none of which I like."
Do you get that? Maldin is saying that bankers feel that if the choice is one of slipping into economic malaise and continued high unemployenment, versus risking an inflationary overload, the Fed WILL choose the risk of hyperinflation. "Bubbles" Bernanke is so obsessed by his ghostly demons of deflation risk that he is likely to create hyperinflation instead. Heaven help us all!
Time to flood the phone lines with reports of a syndicate conspiring to undermine the currency...
If you see something, say something!
Benny in the bankers in orange jumpsuits!
How about sending in some support for your congress-folk to support Ron Paul's bill H.R. 1098. Repeal of Legal Tender Laws.
H.R. 1098: To repeal the legal tender laws, to prohibit taxation on certain coins and bullion, and to repeal superfluous sections related to coinage.
Rep. Ronald Paul [R-TX14] introduced this bill.
http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/112_HR_1098.html
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h1098/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1098
Nothaus would not even have attracted the attention of the gov't if this bill had already been enacted.
Sounds very similar to a physical silver etf. Maybe he should have just started one instead.
That is what I was just about to comment about. How is it different than taking dilivery of Sprott's PSLV stocks?
Could not have been accomplished without a jury box full of dupes and useful idiots who fail to understand they posses the power of jury nullification under the US Constitution and the US Supreme Court.
Jury Nullification
The common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law.
Learn it, Know it, Use it
Jury nullification is the people's only defense to battle Federal tyranny and overzealous prosecution of our fellow citizens. We have corrupt, bribed politicians one and all passing laws handed to them by a criminal ruling elite and corporate power structure as the Bernank example points out.
The Law Itself Is Ridiculous: Judge It
Only a jury of fools who want to be next would have agreed to convict...
Meanwhile, the Dollar continues to fall to new lows. Friday, we saw a Bollinger Band breakout for the US Dollar, which is indicative of a much stronger downtrend to come.
This phrase keeps coming to mind regarding the Bernanke Fed:
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
Could someone tell me who was the originator of that phrase? I have a feeling its going to become more and more appropos!
Abraham Maslow:
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail."Ummm ... you've heard of Google, right? It points to this page at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument
Quote: (I'm not sure why, but this slightly altered version of the same concept just cracks me up ...)
The first known statement of the concept was Abraham Kaplan's, in 1964:[2] "I call it the law of the instrument, and it may be formulated as follows: Give a small boy a hammer, and he will find that everything he encounters needs pounding."
Bam Bam Bernanke?
BUT ...
there's another pithy phrase I recall hearing in around the NASDAQ crash days which, I'm pretty sure was a quote of some newspaper columnist in the days of the 1929 Great Crash, in fact concerning the attempts of Morgan et al to levitate the Dow after the initial plunge ... very a propos today. It went:
"They held their ground until the ground itself gave way beneath them."
Google hasn't helped me to track down that quote. Sound familiar to anyone?
Liquefaction bitchez!
Lets see how far this goes... I'm sure they'vehad plenty of time to "Correct" the data before release.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42193298
They don't need plenty of time. I think I saw the "Shred-While-You-Wait" truck in from of their building this morning.
Well, Jesse Ventura is suiting TSA, on the grounds that they violations his constitutional rights against unusual search and seizure. Can't someone use this ruling as a basis for a lawsuit against that private company, the Fed?
“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.” http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/ce031811.htm
Tompkins is a dangerous nutjob. That statement is positively Soviet.
Good article.
Komrades - theese eese just a kontinuation of our master plan to take over your country...
Silver will be confiscated..Tptb can confiscate silver on the medical and nano and solar uses all by its self..National defense and security..
There will also be numerous other RE's that will be deemed extinct and unlawfull to own..ie ..Palladium
Gold will be ok since only the uber wealthy will be able to afford it, bless you if you already own and HOLD IT on your person...
There will be a few exceptions im sure, thats what Im trying to think over right now..Anybody know how I can establish a connection with Silver with my religious preferences? Maybe a Silver Praying statue? As always Im usually wrong so some extreme opposite should happen....
"Silver will be confiscated.." ONLY IF YOU LET IT HAPPEN.
Possesion is 99% of the law (ownership)
Nice to see some discussion of law on here.
What do you guys think a 14th amendment Citizen is?
a. "Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction,
and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other
artificial persons. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance,
is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The
legal manifestation of this is that no government, as well as any law,
agency, aspect, court, etc. can concern itself with anything other than
corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them."* S.C.R.
1795, **Penhallow v. Doane’s Administrators 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed. 57; 3 Dall.
54;* and,
b. "the contracts between them" involve U.S. citizens, which are deemed as
Corporate Entities:
c. "Therefore, the U.S. citizens residing in one of the states of the union,
are classified as property and franchises of the federal government as an
"individual entity"",* Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed.
1143, 56 S.Ct. 773
Speaking of funny money, the dollar is shitting the bed.
Terrorists!
.............But Wall St is up!
DIG A HOLE, HIDE and BURY YOUR STASH (CASH, GOLD, SILVER ETC) AND DONT TELL ANYONE.
Bernanke is worse than a terrorist-- he makes Hitler look a nobel peace laureate-- well I guess that doesn't mean much these days anyways. There has been a takover of our government by the imbalances that continue plague our economy: the banking cartel and the federal reserve. It is unacceptable that terrorism can be thrown in a very discretionary subjective way. We as US citizens need to stand up and demand more from our government as clearly the democratic process has been destroyed in this country and also the sovereignty of individual states. Moreover, the justice department is now seemingly uncomfortably following the degradation of other institutions within this country. Who are they to label what's terrorism and not? Bernanke's actions can be deemed economic terrorism upon the world, it all depends upon how you look at it. Therefore, this ruling more than anything leads me to believe that the crackdown is trying to be pre-emptive and times for peaceful change may be coming to an end.
Hitler?! Hell...Bernanke makes Obama look like a peace prize laureate!...er...oh..nevermind.
Fuck the U.S Justice Dept.Sach of fucking shit scumbags.
And the fucking U.S Mint has the fucking nerve to put the word"Liberty" on it's silver bullion.
What a sick fucking joke.
Justice in the U.S.
Just another fucking joke of the TERRORIST ,that rule.
Okay, so don't talk about it Justice Department, do something about it. Myself, along with many others here on ZH, have repeatedly said what Bernanke is doing is financial terrorism. It is price manipulation. All of it is illegal. Lock his ass up, along with Timmy Two Faced Geithner, and throw the key away, otherwise let Bernie Madoff out of jail and let's all begin inside trading and manipulation ourselves.
If you follow the embeded link, there's a phone number for the DOJ that prosecuted the case. Think I'll call them up and ask when they plan to bring charges against Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner.
That will take more than just hyperbole.
Your either with us or against us.
I hear you, the world hears you and soon the fed that knocked this dollar down will hear from all of us.
The U.S.A Goverment are FUCKING TERRORIST.
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
I call a spade a spade when I see one.
The average Arab has more guts in standing up for his rights, these days, but look at the level of dramatic action that they have had to adopt to do it. It will descend into chaos if you let chaos rule. This ruling is chaotic to a rationalist and constitutionalist as it proactively supports deceitful and overbearing government. Chaos has been made lawful, thus it legally reigns and you have all been affected. Rule of law precedents such as these, if unchallenged, create the norms and expectations. If you are in the camp that finds this ruling acceptable, you have your comforts provided for. If you find this offensive and an attack against the spirit of the foundations of your American values, then, before shit gets Libyan; What to do? .... What to do? You know that you have choices.
The Bernank is a pig.
Is that as far as you go?
While we are here jawboning and flexing our muscles, and calling names, a real monetary hero will be going to jail. Where is his support? I sent mine via emails to all parties. I can't shoot up the court house without being his cell partner, but I can voice my support for Bernard von NotHaus
In full agreement, but sorry Rocky, while we're talking, they're walking. I'm haven't called anyone names, I'm calling for a reaction other than, "Tch tch. Poor guy. Lucky it wasn't me.", or, "They're naughty pigs", etc.
My point is, this ruling has affected all of us.
Our government ( i.e. some of our citizens, fellow Americans) are using their undeserved positions, to deny us our constitutional liberty and inalienable rights. To what depths will this descend before we act as a collective, in opposition to these incessant attacks?
Your response is laudable, but isolated protests won't work against this monstrosity that dominates our lives. It's a gigantic beast that needs to be restrained. It is unrepresentative of the people, unresponsive to popular opinion and dissent (TARP, QE1 etc) and dictatorial in behavior. That's not government of the people by the people. It's not constitutional government upon which our republic was based and therefore is an aberration and abomination.
I'm preaching mostly to the choir here, I know, but when are we going to become a collective? Government is our collective but it has been stolen from us. What is the final straw? Will it be cause for revolution or do we act before then.
I'm not advocating violence via armchair muscle flexing. My comments have been uttered in desperation and are designed to elicit anger and stir rightful action. They're a plea for new strategies for action. How that manifests, I have no idea, other than to ask for collective action. My clarion call: The bankers are coming! The bankers are coming! THEY'RE IN OUR MIDST", is a plea for solidarity against a despicable power denying my liberty.
Which collective can we join that has a singularity of purpose, in returning government into the hands of the people?: that delivers justice through uncorrupted courts and independent judges; that enshrines property rights via constitutional money; that delivers the coining of money into the hands of the people (von Nothaus included), by opening private mints to the production of a measure of silver that has stamped on it "one dollar", as a measure not of value but denotes weight.
What can we do in addition to our small purchases of PMs, chest-beating on ZH and other outlets and protest through correspondence?
What do we do when government representatives aren't open to delivering the constitution's mandate despite protest through the ballot box or public opinion. What do we do when the Office Holders refuse to uphold their constitutional oath of office? Vote them out? They are replaced with one of their own, a disingenuous two-faced, suited monkey, tethered to the organ grinder. That is the circle-jerk called democracy. We need to return to our Constitutional Republic, perhaps changed for modern times by policy change through referendum, thereby relegating bi-polar politics to the scrap heap of history.
We are in trouble, big time, and they are making the laws and have an constitutionally illegal, though judicially supported, monopoly on money.
This camel's back is aching from the load and the last bureaucratic straw is descending slowly towards my pack.
Help!
Unite!
Educate!
I guarantee Gold/Silver confiscation is going to happen at some point. When? I don't know, but it will. The thing is, if everyone cashed out of their gold and silver right now, and shorted this ponzi scheme market, it would drop like a BP oil platform.
Soon, American PM holders will be characterized as supporters of the Iranian regime.
What do you mean "is going to happen"? It already has. See my comment above.
Wait til they make a case study of some poor guy melting down nickels.
When do we leave the lairs of our computer rooms and go outside to speak our minds?
That's pretty bold to define the US Fed Note as a legitimate currency. I'd refer to it as an ugly bastard red headed step child that's a God Dam embarrassment but yes it would pale in stature next to any silver coin. Did the Justice Department rationalize that some one would mistake one of these valuable silver coins for a cheap U.S legal tender one made out of pot metal and feel cheated? That's kind of funny. Our Justice Department has to be the worst sort of hypocrite and it's very name is a joke. I think our fake money has corrupted most of our institutions and a lot of the people too.
And to think these fascists at the FBI, DOJ, and the Treasury look the other way as BofA, in their jurisdiction, gets away with outright fraud.
When will they indict casinos for their printing and minting of casino chips?
I know they're used to buy food, drink and other services and things of value all the time.
Yes, The Bernank is a terrorist by this definition.
As it has been said ...
"You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists".
You can't make this stuff up, folks. The SAME DAY a North Carolina man is denounced as a domestic terrorist, I found another one in Raleigh, North Carolina:
RALEIGH -- Cautioning that the federal dollars in your wallet could soon be little more than green paper backed by broken promises, state Rep. Glen Bradley wants North Carolina to issue its own legal tender backed by silver and gold.
Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/17/1059132/legislator-says-the-state-needs.html#ixzz1HGYFtPHP
America's reaction:- Mew.
http://www.spielbauer.com/JekyllDownload.htm
http://www.spielbauer.com/JekyllDownload.htm
The US Federal government is not a sovereign nation. It's a corporation, look it up on D&B, etc. All the states, counties, cities, agencies, courts, etc are also corporations. You are a corporation, incorporated when you are born.
It's a corporate world under corporate law.
So you can either live with it, or change it.
http://republicfortheunitedstates.org
http://barefootsworld.net
http://gsfsystem.ch
Jefferson had this stuff figured out from the get go, hence his remarks about the need to replenish the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
It's too late to hope for the rule of law. Events will move slowly but inexorably towards violence.
"It's too late to hope for the rule of law. Events will move slowly but inexorably towards violence."
It's never too late, there's always a way! Violence will certainly come if you allow the abuse. Aquiescence is acceptance.
http://republicfortheunitedstates.org
This case is a pitiful sham. Recall how the pubic rejected Susan B. Anthony and Sacagawea coins.
Since one of the points of conviction was the "possession" of Liberty Dollars, I guess this makes all the sellers of them on eBay felons too.
We are not fooled. We know who is counterfeiting our wealth and it is not some excentric in North Carolina. We know that this guy is going to jail because the counterfeiters in Washinton were just reacting to something he was doing that just cut too close to the bone.
Hey guys, long time reader first time, yadda yadda yadda
I'm a big fan of the discussions on here, but something strikes me:
Have you guys thought about the fundamental implications of a fiat money system?
If it's not backed by substance, but by the "full faith and credit" of a country, that essentially means that all that backs it is that people will use it as money.
If there's no substance backing it, do banks just create it out of thin air?
If a promissory note was once a promise to pay gold or silver, and you take away gold and silver from the equation, what are you left with?
If promissory notes are legal money, what is a mortgage application?
If that's a promise to pay, could it be that perhaps banks don't create money out of thin air, but rather fractionalise it based on the promises to pay of its customers / clients / victims?
And if all that's been given by a bank is a promise to pay, is the promise to pay them back not equal consideration?
Your thoughts please :)
Q1. Yes.
Q2. Check.
Q3. Yup.
Q4. Fraudulent Credit Note. No intention to settle. Cheque kiting Ponzi scheme.
Q5. A trip to debt slavery.
Q6. Banks offer up zero for consideration in settlement. If all money is borrowed into existence, rather than created through capital endeavor, the debt note remains debt because it is non-redeemable at source of supply.
They multiply (fractional reserve ratio) debt upon debt by deeming it an asset, package it up and on-sell it as a bond to some Patsy looking for an income stream from a "performing asset". If the income stream stops, you are holding a debt instrument. Multiply that by 40 - 70 times and you get a mountain of debt, not capital or wealth. It's a fraudulent labour/wealth transfer. We're enslaved to the bankers, mainstream and shadow.
Q7. What are you paying them back for if they have not given you anything to settle the purchase of the mortgage with. They didn't offer you gold to buy the house. Gold settles debt. CBs know this. No, they opened a ledger and plonked your name on it saying you owed them money. You may have owed the owner money, but he wasn't paid money for his house. He was given an unbacked credit note. That in no way implies consideration on the bank's part.
Your government raises loans from the Federal Reserve by offering to pay it back,with interest. through taxation. They have a carte blanche exchange with the Fed (meaning: blank cheque, the issuer, the Fed. writing their own terms), raising unlimited funds for bureaucrats to invent endless government spending schemes (what debt ceiling, what congressional overview; see Fed balance sheet). They offer a goodly and growing portion of the fruits of your labor, as payment for the favor, until you can't. Legal circle jerk.
That hasn't fucked up your day,I hope. It sure fucks mine up, each and every one of them. Just spreading the love.
Al, cheers for the detailed reply. You're clearly well informed.
It certainly is a clusterf**k.
There was something I was getting at though -
if the only legal money within the public system is a promise to pay,
and if our promises to pay originate the money
and these promises are fractionalised by the Fed etc,
then, are we not the true creditors of the system?
After all, treasury bonds are not backed by substance either are they?
Let's say a bank gives me a loan for $10,000 and then demands that it be repaid.
Firstly, didn't HJR 192 stipulate that they cannot specify the specie of money in which to be paid?
So, paying in FRNs isn't required. Paying by cheque or digital credit isn't necessarily either.
A regular IOU is a promise to pay, and if it's good enough to originate the credit, it's good enough to 'pay them back'.
Similarly, if I originate the credit, then what have they really done except altered its form?
If I was to ask them for the accounting entries showing that they had given me money from their books,
rather than merely converting my own promissory note,
surely that would show that equal consideration had not been given.
Therefore what demands can they make on me?
REVOCATION EXECUTIVE ORDER 11110:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
Hopefully this is not new to most people here:
"We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy. That relies on primarily on covet means for expanding its fear of influence. On infiltration instead of invasion. On subversion instead of elections. On intimidation instead of free choice, on guerillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted, vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly nit highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."
-JFK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jb8KqaerhQ
Simon Black is The Man.
My first cartoon is dedicated to the paper bugs.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8287982/I_Love_Paper_Money
I don't think these people running the FED Reserve need any help in undermining the US Dollar. They are quite good at doing that by themselves with no help from anyone.
I don't think these people running the FED Reserve need any help in undermining the US Dollar. They are quite good at doing that by themselves with no help from anyone.
Everything about this is so ass backwards it's not even funny. This guy was in my estimation more patriotic than the entire jury and federal attorneys combined.
What a sad day for America. How do we let this happen in a "free" country?!?
Did any of the Gestapo prosecutors ever bother to read the US Constitution and the whole "gold and silver" thing?
I'm about hopping mad about it. You issue money that is destroyed in value almost completely and the citizenry shouldn't even make a peep that the Fed is a private for profit unConstitutional illegal criminal enterprise? You issue money that doesn't even really look like US Mint currency and it's value goes up 500-1000% and that makes you a terrorist. By this logic every person on Zerohedge is a terrorist since probably most are PM bulls and no doubt ALL are seeking to make a GAIN. Apparently seeking to increase your capital is the mark of a "terrorist."
On a lighter note, I see Martin Armstrong was released from his Fed Gulag.
So let me get this straight... the US Attorney Gen claims he is 'virtually' domestic criminal, yet the State of N.C. is trying to pass a bill to back their own currency with Gold and Silver? Makes Sense.
Do them.
I hate to repeat myself, but . . .
In the State of Florida, there are laws against business fraud and theft, as you might expect. These laws are very clear. The law also states that, in the case of an LLC, the operating agreement between the parties can supercede the laws.
A "savvy" businessman (I think that's what they're calling themselves these days) knows how to get around the laws. One innocuous sentence, hidden in a 30 page legal document, the Operating Agreement, is all that is needed to circumvent the law, enabling the managing member to openly, freely, and legally commit fraud against the other members and get away with it. As a not-so-"savvy" member, you would not necessarily know this or understand this - until you do. Once you do understand this, everything else becomes clear.
There is only one law; the law of the jungle. Act accordingly.
Jury nullification is certainly a way to fight back against the jungle cats in charge, but any exercise of power apparent in either pawn or prey is to be immediately and harshly "discouraged", through any means necessary.
Expect the jungle cats in charge to close this insurgency loophole immediately, if not sooner. It is a serious threat to their authority.
If you think you want to do something about it, you'd better be prepared to become the bigger aggressor yourself, in challenging a large and established gang of very experienced and bloodthirsty aggressors, with sharply honed teeth.
The better to eat you with, my dear.