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Guest Post: The U.S. Monetary System And Descent Into Fascism An Interview With Dr. Edwin Vieira

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Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:31 | 1397344 baby_BLYTHE
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Fascism is the correct terminology. Don't know why anyone ever called Obama or Bush a "Socialist".

Read these definitions in any dictionary and get back to me. 

We absolutely live in a fascist dictatorship today. 

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:36 | 1397355 Herbert_guthrie
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You are absolutely right, and an attempt at worldwide control is underway.
As always, the trail of bullshit and blood leads to the same shady banker's family tree.

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:01 | 1397398 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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Where is the "six stars" button?

Finally we are getting people to look at the "high ground" and pointing out the obvious fascist elephant in the room...

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 01:15 | 1397643 zaknick
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Some of us noticed decades ago....

This is the first decent article published in a while. Fight Club chickened out and started pushing euro disaster stories like a good little bitch after some of my on-point comments (about the IMF behind the scenes shenanigans) were deleted.

Dunno how this article got past the bitch-scanner at ZH central.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 05:29 | 1397825 Bringin It
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z. I agree this is a great article.  Constitutional money seems a galvanizing issue. 

What's this about?

... after some of my on-point comments (about the IMF behind the scenes shenanigans) were deleted.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 06:00 | 1397829 Reptil
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Ehm FYI, exactly the same is going on here (europe). If you can't see that the effort to erect a fascist dictatorship in the western world is supra-national, and also think that anything but your own backyard is not important, you're (like the rest) a sitting duck. Likewise,  many here don't even look at what's going on in the USA. In europe individual Constitutions of souverign countries were done away with, silently, without public knowledge, or support, some time ago (Treaty of Lisbon and other laws), for something Stalin could've dictated, and right now we're starting to see the effects:

National Coordinator for combatting terrorism (NCTb) Erik Akerboom said yesterday during a congress for civil servants for (criminal) research that: "When extremists are categorised under the nomer "terrorist", basic rights will be void.". They can then be put under surveilance, can be prohibited to have contact with people, or be prohibited to be in certain areas, can be hindered, or will be subjected to call in on a regular basis, WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ANY HARD EVIDENCE OR EVEN SUSPICION OF WRONGDOING.

source: www.spitsnieuws.nl (emphasis mine)

Sounds familiar? Basically, it's what the Obama and Bush administrations did; RENDITION without HABEAS CORPUS.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 01:27 | 1397662 piceridu
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****** that's the closest i can get to stars and here's two for your comment**

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 01:43 | 1397684 zaknick
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I laugh to think that you wasted your time thinking I cared what you thought of my comment.

Take those two pointy stars and shove them up your ....


Fri, 06/24/2011 - 02:00 | 1397709 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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Relax, he meant me.

And I should have said that finally we are getting "the f-bomb" more and more and more play in the new mainstream media -- the alternative media.

Respect to you, for being aware for decades.

I guess the Kennedys' assassinations were kind of red flags...

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:49 | 1397378 Boop
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Hear, Hear!

(semi-socialism for the rich corporations, fascism for everyone else)!

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:24 | 1397436 snowball777
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I'd like to incorporate, please. Ooh, and make it a bank holding company...I like my credit cards at < 1% interest.

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:34 | 1397400 Freddie
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Bush was heaven compared to this sh*t.  ZH has a lot of O-Mugabe a** s***ers who voted mugabe-hussein 2008

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 07:40 | 1397955 tarsubil
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Correction, if Obama is a buffalo diarrhea dump, Bush is a moose diarrhea dump. You can't say crap is heaven compared to another turd. Sorry.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 16:46 | 1399703 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Bush was heaven compared to this sh*t.  ZH has a lot of O-Mugabe a** s***ers who voted mugabe-hussein 2008

I've said this before, but it bears repeating since some people still can't see that they're being played for patsies.

The terms left wing and right wing are empty and meaningless; anyone who uses them in a serious manner has exposed himself as either a shill or a dupe. Likewise, liberal and conservative have lost all meaning except as pigeonholes into which people are placed based upon their response to ridiculous and picayune wedge issues. The Obama administration is functionally equivalent to George W. Bush's third term. America is a one-party system; it masquerades as a two-party system in order to cultivate the illusion of voters having a choice.


Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:15 | 1397422 Re-Discovery
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Fascism and Socialism are two sides of the same coin (A counterfeit coin that is worthless.)  Distinguishing them from eachother is pointless.

We live in both kinds of societies in varying degrees, and it is getting worse daily.


Fri, 06/24/2011 - 02:53 | 1397743 eureka
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No. Fascism and socialism are NOT the same.

Socialism is when government represent the working/middle class against the elite.

Facism is when government represents the elite, its banks & corporations.

Fascism symptom:  the private capital elite gets richer, the working/middle class destroyed.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 05:19 | 1397821 Urban Redneck
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The government either- is the elite, or is a tool of the elite.


By your definition a socialist government is impossible.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 05:35 | 1397828 Bringin It
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Re. Socialism is when government represent the working/middle class against the elite.

You make a very good point Redneck.  Stalin wasn't "among the elite" in the old USSR?

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 11:52 | 1398681 iLoveMisesToPieces
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Socialism usually alwas leads to fascism because socialism is impossible.  You can't pay everyone the same amount, arbitarily assign them a job then try and dictate everything that needs to be produced.  The end result is almost no surplus.  Without a surplus, people are digging holes with their hands instead of shovel for ever.  Fascism creeps in with the central planner decides they need capital to produce better things.  So they create a central bank or go to war or whatever becaues they were too dumb to be capitalist.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 07:16 | 1397916 Diogenes
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Fascism  is state socialism.

Communism is international socialism.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 07:40 | 1397950 bb5
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under socialism, the state owns and operates the factors of production. under Fascism, the private sector owns and operates the factors of production but they are forced to bend to the will of the state in all matters.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 08:26 | 1398056 Flakmeister
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Which is why the US will not become a "classic" fascist state, my take is Corporate Feudalism, a weak king represented by the Executive and the real power being wielded by the corporate Baronies. Repeal of the Estate tax all but seals a dynastic feudalism...

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 11:54 | 1398686 iLoveMisesToPieces
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Because they're weak.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 14:19 | 1399222 tarsubil
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Except the Federal government is by far the biggest and most powerful corporation and it is the only one with significant military force.

Sat, 06/25/2011 - 10:13 | 1400894 Flakmeister
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True, but the marching orders are dictated by the wishes of the corporate oligagarchy....

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 17:44 | 1399858 Ckierst1
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I suggest that socialism is the tree and fascism is the branch. I think Jonah Goldberg would agree, although as a neocon he seemed to have a hard time with socialist neocon tyranny in his lap as opposed to at arm's length looking through the mirror of time. Mussolini apparently found his voice via socialism and Hitler hung a socialist moniker on his party. Socialism, ever the utopian construct, always seems to require an elite in practice. As such, it devolves to mercantilism rather than laissez faire capitalism (I don't like the term "crony capitalism"), an attribute that it apparently shares with the hereditary monarchy (and other systems of political economy???).

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 08:03 | 1398003 gwar5
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Central Planners: They're all central planners. That's what they all have in common and they're just different shades of the same thing that do not respect personal or property rights.

The fascists/marxists/socialists/communists can all quibble amongst themselves who is really the biggest bitch, but at the end of the day there is never an "I" in Central Planner.


Fri, 06/24/2011 - 08:59 | 1398130 nohweh
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Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:35 | 1397347 Caviar Emptor
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"When injustice becomes law resistance becomes duty"

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:33 | 1397350 Silver Shield
Fri, 06/24/2011 - 05:47 | 1397839 Bringin It
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Good read.  Zolof ... 

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:44 | 1397372 Shredd the FED
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Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:50 | 1397383 Element
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heh, I think I can trump that.



By the way, your MS formatulator is broken. :)

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:48 | 1397375 Boop
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Thu, 06/23/2011 - 22:51 | 1397386 km4
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The money quote

"Well, if you look at the Federal Reserve note, you have a number of problems with it: Number one, it's not issued by the Treasury. It's issued by this banking cartel."

Bingo !

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:21 | 1397425 I am Jobe
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Excellent find. I was wondering this a while back. i wonder if the masses realize this or only a few?

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:26 | 1397439 km4
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Unfortunately the later

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:00 | 1397389 km4
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Spot on !

EDWIN: In my view, and I've written about this for years, the people at the top levels of government understand that their monetary system is inherently flawed. That we're on the Titanic, in a sense, and they know that this ship is going to sink. They don’t know when, but they know when it sinks, they’re going to have a huge amount of economic dislocation, social crisis and civil unrest to the level of revolt.

So they started developing this police state mechanism in the hopes of keeping the lid on the garbage can when the monetary system breaks down. The upper echelons of the judiciary have been going right along with this because they know what the program is. This is obvious. No one in his right mind would stand by and allow the sort of excesses we’ve seen.

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:37 | 1397448 Rusty Shorts
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 - wow, and someone was just thinking about natural selection .. 

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:02 | 1397393 Lord Welligton
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Hear, hear!


I don't want to read a transcript from a radio station.

Provide it.

I have ears.

And I know how to use them.

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:04 | 1397403 Element
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I second that, .mp3 please

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 06:13 | 1397858 Tenma13
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Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:00 | 1397394 km4
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EDWIN: Please don’t say “we” when referring to the people in Washington. Don’t include me in that list.

HeHe ;)



Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:11 | 1397409 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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I was at a party not too long ago with a bunch of young people, and we were talking about some topic that was mildly controversial, and one of them said, "I’d love to look up more about that online, but I don’t want it to be part of my permanent search record.” So, the youth of America already have it in their heads that anything they do online is being monitored and will be in their search records forever and accessible to the government.

We will fix this.

Won't we?

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 02:59 | 1397747 eureka
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I don't know how to hack. I don't believe in the law, politics or the people's consciousness.

But when the time comes, I can throw quite a few molotows, and more than that.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 09:55 | 1398251 krispkritter
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Secure, portable, built-in browser, and relatively cheap. Use with web proxies and public wireless and you can surf with nearly complete anonymity(unless you're really stupid; by that I mean you access your public bank or iTunes account). It's a start...https://www.ironkey.com/personal

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:10 | 1397413 Stuck on Zero
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I don't know why people say the dollar isn't backed with gold.  I know a thousand places where you trade your  FRN for gold.  Less and less of it but nevertheless FRNs are tradeable for gold.

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:12 | 1397417 eblair
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"less and less" implies not backed.  That's why.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 07:21 | 1397922 Diogenes
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The institution that issued the stuff wont give you anything for it. Its IOU Nothing money.

For the time being you can still trade it for other stuff but you get less and less stuff all the time. If the suckers ever get wise and the con game blows sky high you wont be able to trade it for anything.

Thu, 06/23/2011 - 23:14 | 1397414 eblair
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Odd piece.  Seemed ok until we get a plug for Chris Christie. WTF??   Who the &%*^ is worried about a police state yet seriously looks to Chris Christie to lead the resistance?  What explains such a ludicrous and bizzaro non-sequitur?  Is this some kind of cutting edge astro-turfing gate keepy BS?




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