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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

V for Vendetta - 2011

 

After the horrific mass murder in Tucson
yesterday I had trouble sleeping last night. When my mind gets
overloaded, I can’t sleep. I came downstairs at 3:30 am and for some
reason decided now was the time to watch the movie V For Vendetta.
Many people had recommended this movie over the years, but I had never
gotten around to it. Well, on the day after the attempted assassination
of a Congresswoman and murder of six others, including a Federal Judge,
this movie provided a vision into what could happen next in this
country.

The 2006 movie centers around a man wearing
a Guy Fawkes mask who refers to himself as V.  He is a bold,
charismatic freedom fighter driven to exact revenge on those who
disfigured him.  The film is an allegory of oppression and coercion by
government. It is a declaration against government intervention into the
lives of the citizens. He blows up the Old Bailey on November 5, Guy
Fawkes Day. He promises to blow up Parliament one year later on the 5th
of November. His speech at the beginning of the movie, broadcast to all
of England, explains what happened in a fictional England and what is
happening here:

“Good evening, London.

Allow me first to apologize, for this interruption. I do, like
many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security,
the familiar, the tranquility, repetition… I enjoy them as much as any
bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, whereby those important
events of the past, usually associated with someone’s death or the end
of some awful, bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday, I
thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is certainly no
longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit
down and have a little chat.

There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I think
that even now orders are been shouted into telephones and men with guns
will soon be on their way. Why? Because when the truncheon maybe used in
lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer
the means to meaning, and for those who would listen, the enunciation
of the truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with
this country, isn’t there?

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression, and where once
you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you
now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity
and soliciting your submission? How did this happen? Who’s to blame?
Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and
they will be held accountable, but again, truth be told, if you’re
looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid! Who wouldn’t be?
War, terror, disease… There were a myriad problems that conspired to
corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best
of you, and in your panic, you turned to the now High Chancellor, Adam
Suttler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he
demanded in return was your silent, obedient, consent.

Last night, I sought to end that silence. Last night, I destroyed
the Old Bailey to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More
than 400 years ago, a great citizen wished to embed the 5th of November
forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness,
justice and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if
you’ve seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to
you, then, I would suggest you allow the 5th of November to pass
unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you
would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me, one year from
tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give
them a 5th of November that shall never, ever, be forgot.”

  

The movie’s central theme revolves around
the 1605 Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament. The plot was a failed
assassination attempt against King James I of England by a group of
provincial English Catholics led by Robert Catesby. The plan was to blow
up the House of Lords during the State Opening of Parliament on
November 5, 1605, as the prelude to a popular revolt in the Midlands
during which James’s nine-year-old daughter, Princess Elizabeth, was to
be installed as the Catholic head of state.

    

Guy Fawkes, who had 10 years of military experience fighting in the
Spanish Netherlands in suppression of the Dutch Revolt, was given charge
of the explosives. The plot was revealed to the authorities in an
anonymous letter sent to William Parker, 4th Baron Monteagle. During a
search of the House of Lords at about midnight on November 4, 1605,
Fawkes was discovered guarding 36 barrels of gunpowder – enough to
reduce the House of Lords to rubble – and arrested. He was hanged
shortly thereafter. November the 5th has been celebrated ever since this
event with celebrations and fireworks.

Anarchy Has Arrived

There’s no certainty – only opportunity. V - V For Vendetta

 

As I watched hour after hour of coverage about the ambush and
assassination attempt on a Congresswoman from Arizona, I couldn’t help
but think this could be the spark for something bigger. There
were almost immediate reactions from the MSM that this murder was
instigated by the Tea Party. The liberal ideologue Paul Krugman blamed
the Republican Party for the murders. Apoplectic left wing faux
journalist Keith Olbermann described conservative commentators as
those ”who have so irresponsibly brought us to this time of domestic
terrorism”. The local sheriff, an Arizona State Senator and the
Congresswoman’s father all blamed the Tea Party, either directly or
indirectly. Based on my reading of the murderer’s writings and youtubes,
he appears to be a mentally deranged psycho. Somehow, every liberal MSM
“journalist” has concluded that this was due to the contentious
political atmosphere in the country. This is code for “we need less
dissent”. Stop disagreeing with the Obama agenda. If you disagree, you
are dangerous.

The scene in the movie that made me think of yesterday’s events was
toward the end of the movie when Inspector Finch, who is trying to
capture V, has a feeling about what is going to happen:

Finch: I had to see it. There wasn’t much left.
But when I was there it was strange. I suddenly had this feeling that
everything was connected. It’s like I could see the whole thing, one
long chain of events that stretched all the way back before Larkhill. I
felt like I could see everything that happened, and everything that is
going to happen. It was like a perfect pattern, laid out in front of me.
And I realized we’re all part of it, and all trapped by it.

Dominic: So do you know what’s gonna happen?


Finch: No, it was a feeling. But I can guess.
With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid. And when they do,
things will turn nasty. And then Sutler will be forced to do the only
thing he knows how to do. At which point, all V needs to do is keep his
word. And then…
[Dominoes collapse with TV footages showing conflicts between rioting citizens and the anti-riot police

The line that hit me like a ton of bricks was, “With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid.” As
Inspector Finch was speaking these words a scene of a policeman
shooting a 10 year old girl with a Guy Fawkes Mask on is shown and then
an angry mob surrounds and kill the policeman.

Yesterday, someone did something stupid. The question is what happens next.

Already, a fringe religious fanatic pastor and his followers, who
have previously picketed the military funerals of Americans killed in
Iraq, issued this press release:

 ”Thank God for the shooter – 6 dead! WBC will picket their
funerals!”  It continues on to condemn what it condemns as violence
unleashed on WBC by a “hateful nation…hoping to silence our kind warning
to obey God and flee the wrath to come.” 

There is one thing I’m sure about. This will not result in more civil
discourse. Opposing ideologies will become further entrenched in their
positions. Those who attempt to be peacemakers will be shouted down.
Passions will rise as they did in the 1850s when another member of
Congress was badly injured as national passions flamed over slavery.  On
May 19, 1856, Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts, a prominent
voice in the anti-slavery movement, delivered an impassioned speech
denouncing the compromises that helped perpetuate slavery and led to
confrontations in Kansas. Sumner singled out Senator Andrew Pickens
Butler of South Carolina. Butler, who had recently been incapacitated by
a stroke and was recuperating in South Carolina, was held to particular
ridicule by Sumner. Sumner said that Butler had taken as his mistress
“the harlot, slavery.” Sumner also referred to the South as an immoral
place for allowing slavery, and he mocked South Carolina.

Preston Brooks, a member of the House of Representatives from South
Carolina, was particularly incensed. Not only had the fiery Sumner
ridiculed his home state, but Brooks was the nephew of Andrew Butler,
one of Sumner’s targets. Brooks walked to Sumner’s desk in the Senate
chamber, and reportedly said: “You have libeled my state and slandered
my relation, who is aged and absent. And I feel it to be my duty to
punish you.” With that, Brooks struck the seated Sumner across the head
with his heavy cane. Brooks continued raining blows with the cane upon
Sumner, who tried to fend them off with his arms. As might be expected,
northern newspapers responded to the violent attack on the Senate floor
with horror. Southern newspapers published editorials lauding Brooks,
claiming that the attack was a justified defense of the south and
slavery. Supporters sent Brooks new canes, and Brooks claimed that
people wanted pieces of the cane he used to beat Sumner as “holy
relics.”

This attack was a foreshadowing of what was to come – the deaths of
600,000 Americans in the space of four years – over 4% of the male
population. Yesterday’s tragedy is another step deeper into this Fourth Turning.
Every Fourth Turning has proven to be a decisive era of secular
upheaval, when the values regime propels the replacement of the old
civic order with a new one. 

Words Matter, Ideas Can Change the World

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. V – V For Vendetta

 

The prior Fourth Turnings in U.S. history (American Revolution, Civil
War, Great Depression/World War II) all proved to be secular upheavals
of immense proportions, tore apart the existing civil order, but
had numerous moments of danger and uncertainty about the future turn of
events. We are six years into a twenty year Crisis saeculum. Every
Crisis intensifies as time progresses to an ultimate crescendo. The
initial financial crisis built to a dramatic peak in September 2008 as
the government and Federal Reserve have taken extraordinary and immoral
actions to protect Wall Street banks. Since September 11, 2001, the
government has used fear as its primary means of controlling the
American population. Fear of terrorists, fear of flying, fear of WMD,
fear of mushroom clouds, fear of the axis of evil, fear of economic
collapse, fear of a Great Depression, and now fear of the Tea Party
movement. This attack by a crazy man will lead to further losses of
liberties and freedoms. That is a certainty.

Americans have been lulled into a false sense of security. V’s speech to the people of England invokes Ben Franklin:

“I know why you did it. I know you
were afraid! Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease… There were a myriad
problems that conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your
common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic, you turned to
the now High Chancellor, Adam Suttler. He promised you order, he
promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent,
obedient, consent.”
- V - V For Vendetta

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

- Ben Franklin

This country has not reached the level of control and fear seen in Orwell’s 1984 and V For Vendetta, yet.
We are moving relentlessly in that direction. Surveillance, monitoring,
spying, censorship, secret prisons, predator drones, and conforming to
state rules and regulations put citizens further under the thumb of an
all powerful state. The freedom to dissent, the freedom to be left
alone, the freedom to speak out against injustice, the freedom to
disagree with your government, and the freedom to present your ideas
without fear of retribution or penalty are essential in a democratic
society. The next phase of this Fourth Turning will surely include
another downward spiral in financial markets as un-payable debts
accumulate to a tipping point level. When ATM machines stop spitting out
twenties, food shelves are bare and gas stations are shuttered, social
chaos will ensue. The government will react with further command and
control measures. In V For Vendetta, the government
creates a terrorist incident in order to gain unquestioned control over
the population. Americans will need to be more vigilant than they have
been over the last ten years in keeping an eye on their government.  

In the movie, Parliament is the symbol of government power. The
thought of destroying this symbol provided the people with a renewed
sense of purpose and power. By V’s destruction of the building, the
people regained their hope for the future. The symbol of America is the
Statue of Liberty. The pedestal at the base of the statue states:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The idea of America is still alive. Whether it is kept alive is up to us. Words matter. Ideas can change the world.

 ”I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be
forgot… But what of the man? I know his name was Guy Fawkes and I know,
in 1605, he attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament. But who was
he really? What was he like? We are told to remember the idea, not the
man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and
forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world. I’ve
witnessed first hand the power of ideas, I’ve seen people kill in the
name of them, and die defending them… but you cannot kiss an idea,
cannot touch it, or hold it… ideas do not bleed, they do not feel pain,
they do not love… And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man… A man
that made me remember the Fifth of November. A man that I will never
forget.” –
Evey Hammond – V For Vendetta

THE IDEA OF AMERICA – THE CHOICE IS OURS

 

 


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Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:06 | Link to Comment kato
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he gets it somewhat correct

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Michael
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Americans are not designed to be socially engineered like Europeans are.

Americans were designed to be free and independant.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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Off-topic but I think this deserves your time:

http://tfmetalsreport.blogspot.com/2011/01/tea-with-blythe.html

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Michael
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I think this is close to what it will look like in the end.

Rollover-1981- Aftermath of the Gold Scandal and World Economic Collapse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6butfe1f9Hg

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:06 | Link to Comment rocker
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Many of our freedoms that are left where stolen on about Aug 2008 with the passage of HR 8791, yet no outcry from many. Just silence.  Most of us have no clue, only a hint, as to what it can do to us. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXfXuk6aWJc&NR=1&feature=fvwp

And then there was the Patriot Act which was the first bad boy to really crap on U.S. Freedoms around 2001. Then again, we bowed out heads like sheep crazing in the field.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Trying to Understand
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This video is a hoax, courtesy of The Onion. Look at the "C" in the C-Span Logo. This video has been around for a while now as a parody and mockery of the current establishment.
The Representative from the 12th District of PA is a Democrat, John Murtha. The bill does not show up at either Thomas, GovTrack or Open Congress.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:32 | Link to Comment rocker
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You are right. I was spoofed on this one. Called the person who gave it to me. He said it was a mockery of the other acts.

Such as the Patriot Act and Homeland Security which is real and not a spoof.    

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment ZakuKommander
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When you win the lottery, buy yourself a new set of friends.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Michael
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

When push comes to shove with our Federal Government, with us being fed up with them shoving things down our throats like the Anti-American Patriot Act,  too much feeling us up by the hands of the DHS, forcing us to buy things we don't want etc, the time will eventually come to violence and taking matters into our own hands.

I don't want to hear the bellyaching and the crying when lots more bodies hit the floor.

Our government servants either address our concerns and talk to us about those concerns on the news for all to hear peacefully, or they get to discuss those issues at the end of a barrel of a gun. It's their choice.

Please keep your power dry till things really hit the fan, stock up on ammo, gold, silver, and food. Lots of others will provide plenty of cover for you when the time comes to water the tree some more.

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:21 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicunt
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Or you could just shove your gold and silver down your throat.

 

This will pass, nothing here folks, doomers will keep pushing their agenda.

 

Buy the S&P and $US.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:57 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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to "trying to understand": john murtha died last february.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:35 | Link to Comment ZakuKommander
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Fall for hoax. LOL.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:58 | Link to Comment DosZap
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rocker,

And BooBooyomama swore he would rid us of it.

Only for it to be redone,signed, and with even more onerous liberties stolen.

BooBoo III kept his word.

 

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me, as we change it."

 Barack Obama 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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Downpressor man
Where you gonna run to
Downpressor man
Where you gonna run to
Downpressor man
Where you gonna run to

Oh... along that day

If you run to the sea
The sea will be boiling
If you run to the sea
The sea will be boiling
If you run to the sea
The sea will be boiling

Downpressor man

Where you gonna run to
Tell me downpressor man
Where you gonna run to
Downpressor man
Where you gonna run to

Oh... along that day

And if you make your bed in hell
I will be there
Make your bed in hell
I will be there
I said, make your bed in hell
I will be there

Oh... along that day

Downpressor man
Where you gonna run to
Tell me downpressor man
Where you gonna run to
Downpressor man
Where you gonna run to

Oh... along that day

If you run to the rocks
The rocks will be melting
If you run to the rocks
The rocks will be melting
If you run to the rocks
The rocks will be melting ....

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udR0KBCbs6U

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:42 | Link to Comment MileMarker17
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Ahhh, perhaps you are a fan of Reggae music.  Lots of Reggae is bnased on opression and the struggle to survive.  Downpressor is a good old one written by Peter Tosh, back in the early 1970's when he was with Bob Marley and the Wailers. I've been on a Reggae kick for a few years.  XM radio has a great station.

It sipple out deh!
War inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
Let me tell, it sipple out deh
A wha' you seh, it sipple out deh, oh yeah
War inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
It sipple out deh, wha' you seh, it sipple out deh, oh yeah

De baba men nuh like de dreadlocks man
De dreadlocks man nuh like de baba man, no
De po-lice men nuh like de dreadlocks man
De dreadlocks man nuh like de po-lice man, no

So war inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
Let me tell, it sipple out deh
A wha' you seh, it sipple out deh, oh yeah
War inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
Let me tell, it sipple out deh
A wha' you seh, it sipple out deh, oh yeah

When come pride then cometh shame
A man pride shall bring him low, yeah, oh yeah
Honour shall uphold the humble in spirit
And you know it's true, yeah , oh yeah

War inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
A wha' you seh, it sipple out deh
So wha' fe do ? we slide out deh, oh yeah
War inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
A wha' you seh, it sipple out deh
So wha' fe do ? mek we slide out deh, oh yeah

True, true, true, it sipple out deh
So wha' fe do ? mek we slide out deh, oh yeah
true, true, true, it sipple out deh
let me tell, we slide out deh

Marcus garvey prophecise, say:
"One mus' live 10 miles away, yeah, in this time"
I-man satta at the mountain top
Watching Babylon burning red hot, red hot

War inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
A wha' you seh, it sipple out deh
So wha' fe do ? we slide out deh, oh yeah
War inna babylon, tribal war inna Babylon
A wha' you seh, it sipple out deh
So wha' fe do ? mek we slide out deh, oh yeah

True, true, true, it sipple out deh
So wha' fe do ? mek we slide out deh, oh yeah
true, true, true, it sipple out deh
let me tell, we slide out deh

 

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment rocker
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DosZap,

BooBooyomama as you call him is no better than Bushit as I call him.  I did not vote for either.

I did hope that Bambi would do something about the Banksters.  Especially when he said the Bankstersjust don't get it after the banksters garnished themselves with bonuses from taxpayer money. GS was bankrupt until we bailed them out. It seems that that will be a lost wish too.  We have a much larger problem in our nation. It seems that whoever becomes president is dragged in a back room by the FED and is told how that part of our dysfunctional government goes.

To date, I only see three politicians that I like. Alan Grayson, Ron Paul, and Bernie Sanders. They seem to care about my number one issue that causes the most grief to the average non billionaire in our nation. After that, everyone appears hopeless. 

Other famous quotes: "I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush

Now you know why I call him Bushit. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:28 | Link to Comment FrankIvy
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Definitely agree that the cross section of Euros I've met have thought to a much greater extent than many Americans that government is the solution to all, or virtually all, of our problems.

Health care is the obvious example.  It is beyond the comprehension of most Europeans that many Americans don't want govt. to run healthcare.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Vashta Nerada
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When a government becomes too large or takes on too much authority it becomes a threat to its own citizens.  This has been shown time and time again.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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Interesting since most Americans descended from Europeans.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:21 | Link to Comment DrSandman
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No -- Us 'Mericans evolved from Europeans.  :)

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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+1

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:23 | Link to Comment midtowng
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Americans are no different from anyone else. If you think otherwise you are kidding yourself.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:36 | Link to Comment UGrev
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You're partially correct. Sheeplamericans are no different. Those of us who question everything and open our mouths about it, are not the same.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Sparkey
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"Americans are not designed to be socially engineered like Europeans are.

Americans were designed to be free and independant."

 

So were Buffalo! Where are they now?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:52 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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So were Buffalo! Where are they now?

 

+1000, good answer!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:06 | Link to Comment Michael
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Buffalo didn't have 200 million guns.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Oso
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what world and what era are you living in? 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Alex Zhyk
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Freedom is a matter of prospective. Herd of sheps may think they are free, but the shepard knows that he can get them at any time because they are easy to predict.

OOPS. I should've read the previous comments before posting mine. I mean the buffalo example

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:55 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Americans are exposed to all kinds of social engineering, and have been for the better part of a century.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Dismal Scientist
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Designed to be socially engineered ? Wow. A continent with millennia of culture reduced to a dismissive platitude, by ... an American who can't spell. Its 'independent'.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Chappaquiddick
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@ Michael

 

++Americans are not designed to be socially engineered like Europeans are.

++Americans were designed to be free and independant.

 

But end up being the very thing they fear the most - slaves in a system where up is down, black is white and right is wrong.  No wonder they all talk shite and haven't a fucking clue.

In the Long Emergency one possible means suggested of dealing with an unruley populace is a chemical or biological attack by the State on its own citizens.  I'm sure many will salute the crop duster emblazoned with 'the fag' as it flies over.

The problem you have is that you are utterly misinformed and completely indoctrinated into the belief that you are somehow superior and free (whatever that means).

Wake up to the programming.  You are a slave in a system that demands everything you have and gives essentially nothing back in return.  You are being exploited and fed you own faeces served up as fois gras.  Your freedom is your enslavement and you have swallow this BS hook line and sinker.

Thank goodness you found ZH - maybe, just maybe you will start to question some of those strongly held beliefs and then maybe you stand a chance.

 

Otherwise excellent trolling - please serve up some more.

 

BTW - what a fucking excellent day for news.  GATA on the FED; MA Supremo on Fraudclosure and good 'ole Newt on taking everyone's pension.  Wow!!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:18 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Americans are not designed to be socially engineered like Europeans are.

 

When was the last time you saw naked breasts on American broadcast TV?

Americans are socially engineered...they just aren't hip enough to recognize the blinders.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:43 | Link to Comment littlebuddy
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americans are designed to be slaves, but told they are free and independent. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:41 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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mostly correct

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:38 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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The thing I find fascinating about the Guy Fawkes plot is that it would have worked if only he had kept his mouth shut. He had enough gun powder in the right location to wipe out most of the English aristocracy. But then he told someone about the plot who told someone in authority and he was caught. Then he was tortured and drawn-and-quartered if I remember correctly.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:48 | Link to Comment benb
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Bottom line, this Jim Quinn fellow [however well intentioned] is a political idiot. I saw the hokum V For Vendetta film a few years back. It’s nothing more than a childish revolution fantasy for the dumbed down masses. Very little goes through the mass media without intelligence agency direction and censorship… And if you watch commercial television on a regular basis you are almost certainly a brainwashed fool to at least a significant degree. If you disagree- turn the insidious device off for a year and get your news from the alternative media during that period. I guarantee when you turn it back on you will look at it with disgust. This shooting business is looking like an MK Ultra event. The congresswoman, from what I heard was pro 2nd Amendment and for enforcing the border with Mexico. The judge who was murdered was also concerned about border enforcement.

And get this- This was the federal judge who ruled against Clinton in the Sheriff Mack gun control victim disarmament case and was also in the process of ruling in a key case against the Obama administration in a move to seize homes and people’s bank accounts without due process. How Convenient.

In the US the food and water are being intentionally poisoned to dumb us down, sterilize us, to generate cancer and other diseases. The pentagon is running a massive program to put between 200-400 million tons of aerosolized aluminum oxide in the atmosphere along with barium salts and all sorts of other vile shit including desiccated (freeze-dried) blood cells. Vaccines have repeatedly found to contain live cancer virus and other novelties. The pentagon announced almost ten years ago that they were ‘experimenting’ with tranquilizing the public. There is evidence that that program is now widespread. The new mercury filled electronic light bulbs can actually function as microphones through the electrical grid so we can be illegally wire tapped en masse. So when the author of this article says we are not yet at 1984 levels he’s just another joker in the propaganda matrix.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:47 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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SmokeyQuinn:
 
"There is one thing I’m sure about."
 
September 11, 2001 was USSA government created.  THE paradigm shattering world event, a so-called 'terrorist incident' orchestrated to gain unquestioned control over the many blind, deaf and dumb of the world.  Americans, and especially writers like you SmokeyQuinn, will need to be much more vigilant and connect the obvious and undeniable scientific facts. 
 
The NWO/Nazi government uses fear as its primary means of control of the American sheep.
 
"Fear of foreign terrorists, fear of flying, fear of WMD, fear of mushroom clouds, fear of the axis of evil, fear of economic collapse, fear of a Great Depression,"... and fear of that biggest bogey man of all,... Osama Bin Laden and his magical band of 19 Arab elves.
 
"This attack by a crazy man will lead to further losses of liberties and freedoms. That is a certainty."
 
Your almost there... Get a stubby pencil out of your Mickey Mouse school bag and connect the rest of those great big dots.
 
I will check your very slow educational progress in Special Class next time you post on ZH.
.........................................................

Historian Adam Nicholson, in his book
 
God's Secretaries,
 
presents compelling evidence that Guy Fawkes was a patsy, and that the "extremist Catholic plot to blow up Parliament" was a set-up by minister Robert Cecil and his War Party.
 
The massively publicized Gunpowder Plot--the 9/11 of the 17th century--was designed to incite hatred of Catholics and trigger a century of war with Catholic Spain and Portugal.
 
It worked, and the anti-Catholic wars that followed built the British Empire.
 
V for Vendetta celebrates resistance against a fascist regime that has seized power through a state-sponsored terror attack falsely blamed on Muslims.
 
Sound familiar? The film's hero, V, wears a Guy Fawkes mask, recalling the first monumental act of state-sponsored false-flag terror in modern history--the "Gunpowder plot" of 1605, the origin of Guy Fawkes Day.
 
V for Vendetta asks the question: "If your own leaders were behind the worst terrorist attack in history, would you really want to know?"

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:58 | Link to Comment chopper read
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how many people would survive if they were trained at a young age to own, handle, shoot, and carry a gun? This should be taught in every single junior high. has society gone completely mad? do folks not know that giving protective power sol...ely to the government eventually leads to their extinction on a long enough time line? Does anyone understand why the 'right to bear arms' came directly after the 'right to free speech'? Has anyone any idea how evil people can be, not just in the ghettos, but in the highest levels of power? What is happening to our country? Where is the sanity? Why do people continue to allow this to be debated on our televisions so that we can reach another 'compromise' which leads to less liberty? This has been the plan of incrementalists and Fabian gradualists since day one. How much more power needs to flow to Washington D.C., where there are 7-of-the-10 richest counties in America, before us average folks begin to wake up, stop fighting one another, and begin protecting our civil liberties? For the sake of our children's survival, please, stop surrending every last shred of protection that was once provided for us in the U.S. Constitution. IT IS NOT WORTH IT IN THE LONG-RUN.

...now I know what it feels like to be the manic street preacher on the soapbox that everyone walks past laughing. Next time I see that fella ranting, perhaps I'll stop and listen.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 23:54 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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Quinn:

Off your www.EweLovePlatform.com

Special Class is back in session.

Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 19  7

Over 2.5:1

HAHAHAHAHA !!!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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thank you for this post benb.

when I first began reading ZH, and eventually posting, this is the kind of thinking/reasoning I expected to find in abundance.

instead. . . ah, never mind.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 05:03 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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benb, can you share your reading list/links?

The one about Mercury Bulbs as microphones? I want to see/read more on that.

My own theory is that the explosion in the density of mobile phone towers makes it possible to excite the mercury in the bulbs to the point that they explode. They are documented to have enough mercury to kill a room full of people if not handled properly.

Nowadays, sheeple have every bulb in their house changed to CFL. The EU is even going to ban the incandescent. 

Again, links/lists appreciated. 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/12/24/where-do-we-fit/

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 09:04 | Link to Comment BostonTettierOwner
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Plus Guy Hawkes was a patsy this whole plot was a classic false flag operation

check the origins of the words CABAL not to confuse with CABALA

 

Regards

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment scythian empire
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if the world ends in 2012, you're going to feel really dumb for all this time you've spent on the computer (DOH!)

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:31 | Link to Comment Quixotic_Not
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Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...

 

Nice one chap!

Not only are you invoking a work of fiction based upon British citizenry, or lack thereof, but you're perpetuating the surreptiously disingenuous unAmerican ideology foisted upon the dumbed-down-to-succumb; Raising the standard of Emma Lazarus, the poet, the socialist, and major role model for the Socialist Party and Zionist movement!

Well done, you pathetically brain-dead sheepster!

Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company...Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. ~ George Washington

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 22:04 | Link to Comment chopper read
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C.I.A. 'False Flag' PLAYBOOK, Chapter 1: Need some mush brain to commit armed robbery so that citizens willfully surrender civil liberties in the ensuing chaos? ...here is how it is done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9c2l4oD5AY

be sure to pick someone who is militarily trained so that they inflict targeted damaged to produce maximum fear amongst members of the public.

if somehow your patsy survives, then be sure to take him back into federal custody so you may deprogram him/pull him out of his trance-like state. How to do this is explained here, in Chapter 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T038Xecuyzc

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment inkt2002
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AA crushes earnings!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment John McCloy
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Legislation for secret service for elected officials coming up within the year. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:17 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Is it not ironic that the initials for Secret Service are SS.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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Along with:

Social Security

Secondary School

Slave Select

Social Science

Scout Sniper

and last but not least, Safe Sex

http://www.acronymfinder.com/SS.html

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Michael
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You forgot Sex Slave.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 18:28 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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Forgot, or omitted intentionally? 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:28 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/136849-house-dem-calls-...

A top House Democrat said the attack on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) should change how members of Congress are screened at airports.

“I really believe that that is the place where we feel the most ill at ease, is going through airports,” Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), who serves as assistant minority leader in the House, said on "Fox News Sunday."

Clyburn called for the Transportation Security Administration, which administers airport security checkpoints, to interact “a little better” with the Capitol Hill Police.

“We’ve had some incidents where TSA authorities think that congresspeople should be treated like everybody else,” he said. “Well, the fact of the matter is, we are held to a higher standard in so many other areas, and I think we need to take a hard look at exactly how the TSA interact with members of Congress.”

Noting that local law enforcement were installed outside his South Carolina home after the attack on Giffords, Clyburn said the House may need to “beef up the funding” for individual members’ budgets so they can coordinate improved security arrangements with local police

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 04:27 | Link to Comment chopper read
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Compromise is impossible with these tyrants. they never stop taking away, incrementally, more Constitutional rights. they have all of the resources to oppress, and all of the useful idiots to aid them. Every single President since JFK, with the exception of Ronald Reagan, has been a complete puppet or co-conspirator to the international banking cartel (NWO) which is moving toward tyranny, through 'gradualism', at every opportunity. Whether they be 'false flag' attacks, or simply aggressive moves to exploit tragedy, these monkeys continue their march towards tyranny. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. Where are the Patriots in our government? Where are the patriots in our CIA, FBI, FCC, FDA, ATF, etc.? Someone in these federal agencies must not just be hired because they are a useful idiot or a sinister power-seeker. When does someone say, "I have too much power" and then hand it back? 

George Washington, our Founding Father and Revolutionary General stepped down peacefully from his position of power when John Adams replaced him. There was no coup. There was no tyranny. Where is George Washington? Where is America? What is happening to our country that everyone seems so hell-bent on trampling the one and only document that has ever protected individuals from government tyranny?

Folks in other countries better wake up, too. If they think that our Constitutional Republic in America can continue to become a banana republic, and that they'll be fine, then they are fucking kidding themselves.

WE, AMERICA, PROTECT 'GUN FREE' DEMOCRACIES AROUND THE GLOBE, PARTICULARLY IN EUROPE. WE, THE ARMED AMERICANS WHO SPEAK FREELY, PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC AT HOME. 

If people are dumbed down so much, and so fucking gullible, that they will willfully continue to surrender our liberty for a little bit of safety, then we are fucking doomed!! All of us who criticize our burgeoning government will go the way of Pol Pot political dissidents in Cambodia. 

Does anyone realize that 7-of-the-10 richest counties in America are in the D.C. area? Right next to the money printing press? Coincidence? 

Our country has been hijacked. Our educational system has been hijacked. Our population is willfully ignorant and desperately naive. When will power flow back away from Washington D.C. and the Anglo-American Banking Cartel centered in NYC?!

WAKE UP, AMERICA. LADY LIBERTY IS BEING RAPED AND YOU ARE SELLING YOUR CHILDREN INTO SLAVERY!!!!!!!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:14 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I liked that movie to, but I don't think we need anarchy.

Anarchy is very often surpresed by a dictator.

Dictators maintain power through force, violence and murder.

"Terrorist" actions have already been the reason to create a police force in many countries.

Even as we speak, the US is turning into a police state.

 

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:17 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Or, Catalonia 1936.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:29 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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We need two years of anarchy to get things settled out again. The old United States is dead. It has been for a long time. We have been foolish to think it was still here, the one we grew up with, is finished and will never return , at least for the near future. What has been done has been done. It is our fault. It the fault of our parents and their parents before them etc. and nothing but nothing can be done now, to ever change that. It is over my friends. Now we must fight to take back what is ours by right and this will not be easy. I wish I could come up with a better thesis on it, but that is my theory as best as I can say it in 2011. The only other action that might have success is a military coupe by military people who love their country and want it returned to its rightful owners. Other than that, we are now too ethnically diverse to move as one in any revolutionary activities. It will boil down to race and racial and tribal motivations. Mark my words on that. Again, diversity never creates strength, only weakness and chaos. It was designed to fail and in a world of no food and no water and no law to speak of, race will be the common denominator just like it is in the big house. In the ebb and flow of life in this new world, jewish financial thieves will never be seen or heard of , by most , but in our day to day lives , trying to survive, it will be kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. Sad commentary, I know, but I believe every word of it.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:38 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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In general I enjoy reading your comments...but I cannot agree with a military coup.  The military, as an arm of the government, is merely another flavor of tyranny.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I am uncomforable with it. But we live in unchartered times now. They have all the toys. Toys that could be used by those with the right motives to seize this country and its gold supply and tell those who want to destroy us to fuck off and if they don't like it then just bring it. Of, what is our guarantee that they will not use them against any civil unrest?  I can almost guarantee you that there are those inbedded in the military who remain quiet, who are angry about what is going on and know full well who the enemy is. It is like alan sobrosky said one time early last year. Many in the military now know for sure who did 911. They know Israel did it. But they have to remain silent right now. If they would seize it and guard it and then return it to its rightful owners, would that be ok? It is a chance we may have to take one day. I am merely speculating on this. Of course I don't know for sure. We now owe debts that can never be repaid. War clouds are gathering even more now. Enough is enough already. It has to be stopped. The children and their children must be allowed to live in a country in which they were born and live as Americans and not as some third world slaves. Something must be done and fast. There are no alternatives. As each day goes by, they get stronger and our position gets weaker.  I preach this word to all who will listen. Time is short.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:26 | Link to Comment lesterbegood
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I thoroughly enjoy reading your comments HPD, and agree with your analysis.

Many Americans are working hard to restore liberty and justice to the Republic.

http://republicoftheunitedstates.org

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:39 | Link to Comment AZSovreign
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Amen to that!!  just because it isn't mainstream yet doesn't mean it is not a reality.

Doing our part in AZ.

http://www.republicforarizona.org/

And per last Fridays meeting, the "Military" is aware and onboard 5 more states to make it a full union and complete Sovreignty.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Triggernometry
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Time is short, but nobody is listening. My family looked at me funny when I suggested stocking up on food and basic necessities, I won't even get started on precious metals.

Unfortunately many people keep themselves ignorant in hopes of winning the bliss lottery. President John Adams said "there cannot be liberty without a general knowledge among the people."

More important to liberty isn't who planned 9/11 or how long they took doing so, but rather who wrote the Patriot Act and how quickly it was signed. Whether we pull out of the middle east or not, there will always be attempts at using violence to change policy. We just need the stomach to hold our values above all else.

Too often it seems many people are willing sacrifice liberty for the facade of security. Security is something somebody insecure came up with.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:17 | Link to Comment grunk
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Captain Owen Honors might have been kind of a fun military dictator. Videos every Friday night.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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I think you are right about a small portion of the military knowing full well WTF is going on.  But unfortantely for every would-be Smedley Butler there are hundreds if not thousands of muscle-bound, brain dead automatons who (I believe) wouldn't think twice before pulling the trigger on their fellow countrymen.  I hope I'm wrong, but my time in the military did little to convince me the ranks are filled with Patriots of the sort you read about from days past.

That said, I am speculating too.  Only a fool would disagree with you about the storm clouds on the horizon.  I guess my fear is similar to everyone else's - by the time the masses are ready to fight it will be too late.  They will have given up their guns, outsourced their thinking, and sold their souls for a few bowls of gruel at the FEMA camp.  Truly a shell of what this country *should* be, a shell of its former self.  I hope the transition is akin to a snake shedding its skin and not the violent upheaval that seems more likely every day.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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+1000.  Though I don't know about 'many in the military now know' part. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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"Other than that, we are now too ethnically diverse to move as one in any revolutionary activities. It will boil down to race and racial and tribal motivations. Mark my words on that. Again, diversity never creates strength, only weakness and chaos."

True dat.  I don't understand why, when looking to scandanavia as an examples of working socialist flavored countries, the homogenous culture and history is never mentioned.  When looking at examples of f*cked up hell-holes, the vary cultural and ethnic groups forced into arbitrary political borders is always overlooked.

As great as it would be to live in a true melting pot with equal opporunity, gum drops and racial harmony, its never going to happen.  Like you, I think it was designed that way.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:04 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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This is why the borders are never closed. They want them open and it is part of the plan. The jews want racial war among the other races in order to allow them to control us easier. They are working hard now to destroy this country. It is the last pebble in their shoe and they want to remove that pebble and get on with their new world order plan , a world government by noahide law and judged by the grand san hedrin in Jerusalem and a world denuded of unnecessary slave mud raced populations. It all sounds sick and too much to  believe but I submit to you it is all true. You can walk up to a jew and say this to him and he will not understand you or believe you ,for you see, many of them do not understand this and to be perfectly honest, many of them are just like us, cannon fodder to be used for the good of world jewry, just like the zionist who sold out their brothers during world war 2 , for the good of world jewry and the creation of the terrorist state of Israel, all true.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:55 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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Good points HPD.  I think the military has been too far gone down the PC path to pull it off now though.  The same fault lines you mentioned have cracked it too... water will leak in and destroy it the same.  I might be wrong, it's been damn near 20 years since I served, and I agree with you that it's the only existing group that could pull it off, since it's about the only (partial) meritocracy left.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:28 | Link to Comment DosZap
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LF,

 True American military will comply with the second part of their oath, over all others,if not then they are not Americans.

I believe it could be done that way, or simply by a Con Con.

The latter far easier, faster, and leaves the people in total control.

What escapes me is why have we not addressed the issue yet?.

If ever was a time for it, now is it. 38 states, call it, Congress must convene it, and a 38 state minimum, calls their own delegates, and we change the Const to anyway we want it.

No military involved, no bloodshed,simply acting on a RIGHT given us.

No one can stop it, period.

So why,what are we waiting on?,the 2nd coming?.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:05 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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A group of military officers were planning to present Bill Clinton with charges of treason. But one day, their Lear Jet, crashed and burned in Alambama and they were all killed. The  year was 1996.  Officers who know what is really going on, must be totally quiet about their inner thoughts, at least at this time. I hope they are there. I think they are there. They have to be there. Yet , the silence can be deafening sometimes.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:00 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Most Americans will not survive two years of anarchy (including you).

If you don't have a nearly invisible remote location(s) as a goal and a plan to get there (and that's just about nobody banging away at ZH) you can forget it.

(And I'm not talking about some house in the country back off a dirt road.  I'm talking the equivalent of a large hole in the ground...because it won't matter how many guns or rounds you have.)

Becareful what you wish for.

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:32 | Link to Comment DosZap
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True Anarchy was once the unwritten form of our goverance.

Much like Common Law.No jails, no prison, no fines or damages, unless there was actual damages.

Militant Anarchy is another story.........

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 18:42 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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Governments are unnatural, in my opinion. However, I believe we're a few chromosomes short of being able to live in a state of true anarchy, which I would characterize as peaceful co-existance without government coersion. At least, it is an ideal we can strive for. Lord knows where this will all end up, but I would encourage all to make every effort to retain as much humanity and civility as possible if it ever comes to that. Easier said than done, I know, but this is the situation we've been handed. Humans can do so much more when working together than alone. We can't lose sight of that fact, no matter what is in store for us.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:00 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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A massive and prolonged national strike will be the only way for the people to get the attention of the powers that be. It would bring the US and world economy to an immediate halt. Hit them the only place they feel any pain: Money.

It would prove (to them as well as us) that we have the power and ability to unite under a unified cause...The question now is...can we really unite?

National strike? Say...November 5, 2011? Any takers?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:44 | Link to Comment Michael
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I don't worry about the Jews. I just imagine how many of them will be put out of work in the financial services sector when the complete and total economic collapse happens soon.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Seer
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"The only other action that might have success is a military coupe by military people who love their country and want it returned to its rightful owners."

Native "American Indians?"

But, as you clearly note, and I appeciate someone bellowing it out, there is NO "returning" to some past era.

Our future is pretty clear.  Survival will be about what it's always been, and that's about being able to interact with the land.  Americans (as are most "Westerners") are far removed from the land, from reality.  All lasting cultures are based on closeness to the land; therefore, what we will see is fracturing based on geographic regions: SW US will tend to return to its more native roots- "Mexican;" what happens in the other areas are kind of a toss-up (native "American Indians" may be consulted, though whether there's enough enertia material available is to be seen.)

"diversity never creates strength, only weakness and chaos."

Huh?  Nature abhors sameness!  And last I checked nature controls and enforces the rules.

The US was founded by wealthy elitists, many who were bigoted and little different than the oppressors that they "escaped" from.

People are too scared to believe in themselves.  Anarchism is essentially the opposite, the belief that one is empowered on one's behalf.  There are only two paths available: 1) seek safety in the herd that is the State; or, 2) empower yourself.  We know how it turns out when the State becomes the repository of power...

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 05:33 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Very well said seer. Diversity is the backbone of existence. We are all different. In more ways than we know or can imagine.

This sameness/equality/homogeneity is cultural only. and cultures are nothing but commonly agreed upon or subtly "suggested" (parental bias, education etc.) rules by which to damp diversity out.

Sameness equates with safety in most people's minds. Yes, that self-same sameness is our collective nemesis.

I wish we could outlaw the New Agers who are out to convince everyone that we are all equal. We are all NOT equal. Not in some cheap, verbalized, intellecutalized way at any rate. 

democracy, feminism and collective cognitive dissonance are all based on this false premise of Imagined equality.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/wisdom-for-warriors-1/

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 18:49 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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Terrific point, and very well said.

 

"People are too scared to believe in themselves. Anarchism is essentially the opposite"

Thank you for elucidating my worldview in a way i've not been able to. True anarchism is about taking full responsibility for yourself and your actions. I don't see why we must start hacking ourselves to pieces and dividing along skin color lines so we can have a race war just as soon as our oppressive government is no longer in the picture.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment creviceCaress
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HPD....

wow. right on.

 

and of course, the junk parade...heh..

 

and you say.... "The old United States is dead. It has been for a long time.".......true, very true........but we should really question "old" for it bears heavily on the idea of .....how LONG has it been dead.  maybe it developed cancer in it's immediate infancy and it grew from....17__?

 

so, yes.  lotta what you said i agree with and believe, except taking back what's ours.  i dont believe it's MINE ....as bad as all the 'THEYS' are that are out to get us, if they all were assassinated tomorrow, new assholes would fill the void immediately.  huminz aint ready to not be fucked up as a species yet....evolution of our being, if you will.  until then, it's BAU....a much grander version of our trilateral/perp.war/oligarch BAU

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Bob
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I missed the anarchy element.  It was, irrc, a moving depiction of a society throwing off the chains of fascist tyranny.  My sense of the message was "Power To The People," which is what America is supposed to be all about.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Unlawful Justice
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I concur on the anarchy element. Bob  Violence begets violence. 

  "Because when the truncheon maybe used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who would listen, the enunciation of the truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there?

 

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression,"   

  

Valerie~ "But I'd only told them the truth. Was that so selfish? Our integrity sells for so little, but it is all we really have. It is the very last inch of us. But within that inch we are free".

To me, freedom is seeing the "Truth" and not giving up on anything less.  

Denial is the dis-ease.


 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Hasn't worked in Mexico,the rulers there are drug dealers.

The Federales & Policia are murderers and thieves.

The Policia have been theives for as long as I can remember.

Anyone for a Road Trip to Acapullyourhead off?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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OT alert:

Federal Reserve's minion claims they're trying to get "best price for taxpayers" in buying government treasuries.

Really?

1) Why is Federal Reserve spending taxpayer money?

2) Wouldn't the best price be had buying directly from the Treasury Department, rather than on the open market?

The smallest miscalculation, a few one-hundredths of a percentage point here or there, could unsettle the markets and cost taxpayers dearly. It could also embolden critics at home and abroad who say QE2 represents a dangerous expansion of the Fed’s role in the markets.

“We are looking to get the best price we can for the taxpayer,” said Mr. Frost, a buttoned-down 34-year-old in a striped suit and rimless glasses.

The Fed’s QE2 Traders, Buying Bonds by the Billions

And 'V for Vendetta' was a good flick, that treated rather complex matters well, if simply.

 

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:18 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Time for a sequel? "L for Liberty"?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:24 | Link to Comment faustian bargain
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or "W for WTF".

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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+100 ;)

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:38 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Damn funny, FB.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Keeping it in the Non-Fiction genre I see...

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Guy Fawkes Mulder
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1) Why is Federal Reserve spending taxpayer money?

2) Wouldn't the best price be had buying directly from the Treasury Department, rather than on the open market?

1) It isn't. Why would you think it was? I get a kick out of how many End-the-Fed-ers don't even know how the Fed works.

2) Sure. But then we would have a 100% fantasyland-style service of government debt. The idea was that the bond market should be pricing government bonds. True, it already isn't. But there is the "plausible" pretense that it is. The Fed buying Treasuries directly would equate to U.S. Treasury getting its debt bought in a manner totally divorced from the market. There would be no pretense of playing fair. Every country and news media in the world would have no choice but to start referring to the Treasury and Fed as "Uncle Sam's Greenback Printing Complex". The implementation of the next reserve currency would be hastened drastically. Et cetera. Basically, it would be much more counterproductive to price stability than what it is currently doing.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:22 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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The new uber reality show will be the Marxist unions vs. the Corporate Fascist Banking Cartel for the total destruction of America.  Sorry. Trumka, you don't have a chance in hell.

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:36 | Link to Comment Seer
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It's a three-way: unions vs. Corporate Fascist Banking Cartel vs. Mother Nature

My money's on Mother Nature!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:26 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Well, you can see the construct forming all around us.  Can't travel on a plane without Homeland Security completely violating you.  I've read several articles about a cashless society......it will reduce crime.  More like it will increase control!! 

Cell phones, satellites, even your laptop has a built in camera---gee, how easy it would be for continuous monitoring of the masses.....

I started thinking it when DHS started pat downs at the airport---the goverment is preparing for the day it sees its own citizens as terrorists!!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Bob
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They've done the pat-downs at several bus terminals as well.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:47 | Link to Comment rocker
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You can't be serious.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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I like this one, the Sierra Blanca checkpoint on Interstate 10 in West Texas. Although it is miles from the border it is considered  a "functional equivalent of the border".  All traffic is subject to interogation and potential search, wake up citizens this an internal checkpoint on a major interstate. "Your Papers Please".

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Most of this crap has an "off" button.

When I hear the above complaints out of people, I suggest they make use of it.

They never do and continue to bitch about government survelliance.

I wish they had an "off" button.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:26 | Link to Comment FrankIvy
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The choice is ours?

I view it as we've falling off of a cliff and impact with ground is imminent.  I can't imagine what choice we have.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:15 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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You, I and all of us should be preparing, fast.

Quinn and Jim Willie CB are two of the growlingest bears around...  Ignore them at your peril.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:42 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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I spent a few too many evenings drinking beer with Jim Willie at GATA receptions in Vancouver starting back in 2005. 

Willie turned me onto the truth behind the false flag of 9/11.  He got himself out of the USSA a few years ago.  Don't even think SmokeyQuinn could know what Willie has already forgotten about the actually facts of ameriklan politics.

SmokeyQuinn is a wannabe economic guru who is stone cold stupid ... a 9/11Traitor who wholeheartedly believes the Offal-CIA-L 9/11 Omission Report bullshit. 

I have a running debate with this MORON for the past two years.  He is one sick puppy, who posts obscenely about his love of bestiality with sheep when confronted about his political stupidity.

 

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:20 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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I read a lot of articles in the PM circles ... a lot and for years now.  Jim Willie is, by far, my favorite and hardest hitting writer amongst them all.  Its bang, bang, bang sentence by sentence with stuff that matters.  I have nothing but awe and respect of his knowledge and writing style.  911 ... oy ... I used to melt metals and build furnaces.  The official story makes it sound like I could've skipped building the furnace and just gone camping to do my metal castings.  Now I just buy precious metal and bury it for that rainy day (or decade).

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 02:24 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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I put myself through university working summers at the Ford Rouge Plant in the Steel Mill.  Nothing quite like watching them pour molten steel on the midnight shift.

I call bullshit when ever someone says those WTC fires weaken or melted those steel beams.  Hell you could hardly light a cigarette with those flames after the initial impacts.

Jim Willie went to Costra Rica to chase women and hopefully dodge some very serious death threats that came his way a few years ago.

It just totally pisses me off to read crap from 9/11Liars like Quinn who are so retarded to believe anything Offal-CIA-L. He is a MORONIC TRAITOR just one step removed from the usual MSM bobble-heads.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment philgramm
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This Arizona shooting has been dominating the news.  It made me think about what our MSM highlights as threats to our sovereignty as a nation.  It seems to me that when we have a democratic president in power the MSM highlights threats from within (Waco, Ok. City, Arizona) and when we have repub president they highlight threats from without (Saddam, Osama, Iran etc).  Every four or eight years these two parties pass the baton to each other.  Rinse and repeat.  This way the war of mind control continues unassailed.  

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Seer
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Good observation!

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 02:15 | Link to Comment Dolar in a vortex
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I ran into your namesake on a flight maybe 3 years ago. I said, "Hey, I remember you, you used to be somebody famous, right?"

He smiled sheepishly and nodded.

Then I said, "I know, you're Bill Clinton!"

The look on his face was entertaining. Hurt, anger, disappointment, they all seemed to be there.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 07:15 | Link to Comment gangland
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well done!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:28 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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There are no nations anymore, only corporations and the extremely talented CEOs who run them. The usa gubbermint isn't even the seat of power anymore. Destroying parliament would be a futile gesture.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:47 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Yep buzz.  Multi national corporations are only true to one set of colors.

The color of money.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:29 | Link to Comment SwingForce
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Great movie, and a great review from only watching it once. I've seen it 8 times, at least.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Devout Republican
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Unions are brainwashing the masses.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Bob
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My ass is following me around.  WTF?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Seer
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LOL!

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:22 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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turn the channel, they call it network programming for a reason and you're watching too much of it

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:35 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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The fascist regime would collapse from its own weight if people would just stop helping them. gandhi is a better example than "V" imo. Resist, don't take part in the criminal enterprise.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:05 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Yep.  We could unleash an ass whoopin' of financial violence on bankster gangster just like they have done to us.

However, leadership is an issue...as in it currently doesn't exist.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:11 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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starve the beast

prepare for the worst

weave your own clothes

the end is near

don't take any wooden nickels

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:17 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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flat, buzzsaw,

You guys get it.  Prepare is all most of us can do.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:39 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Not preparing for the end necessarily.

Should the SHTF, I don't think there will be much in between living a relatively comfy existence in suburbia-ruburbia and sitting out the worst of it in the equivalent of an upolstered hole in the ground.

And my low-tech approach makes good natural disaster preps.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:26 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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I remember what leadership looked like and he got shot for it in 1964, like anyone in power who steps on the toes of the money printers.  Nothing but sock puppets since with the most 'powerful' military in the world at its disposal ... ironic huh?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:36 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/36796/Police_caught_testing_new_...

houston fuzzies watching you from above. hey folks, we are your little blue buddies. we are here to help you. do not be scared and afraid. we love you, and we want to help you.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:41 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Next thing you know, you're hiding in a bathtub full of ice water and desperately searching for replacement retinas...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:47 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Are Houston police using aerial drones yes or no? That is the question. Does such activity cause you to feel safer?  There they are taking the money and using the money to buy toys and being taught how to use the toys against the people.  I see it happening and I see the end game and it is unconstitutional bullshit as far as I am concerned. I don't know about you, but that god damn piece of paper collecting dust in the Smithstonian means something. In order for it to live, we must make it live. We make it live by living by its words , word for word. God gave me rights. These men that lived over 200 years ago tried to give us a framework of a democratic republic. My fathers fell asleep on the walls surrounding the city and the enemy creeped in and is now destroying the land of my fathers. This cannot stand and it will not stand.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Bob
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It appears you missed the movie reference, HPD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_%28film%29

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:34 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I will have to plead ignorance on the movie stuff. I have not gone to movies in a very long time. As far as that little twit , Tom Cruise. There is no way in hell I would spend one dime to go see one of his worthless movies. Ha ha ha

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:06 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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Well, let's give that piece of paper some meaning back......$200 for a shot down drone!

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 07:22 | Link to Comment gangland
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add a zero for my defense fund and pass me the bitch.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:52 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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You wouldn't want to be made by that friendly combo RFID/Retina scanner at Nordstrom's or have your cell phone remotely used to film and track you, either...

...just some precognitive thinking aloud.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Bob
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Good 'ole Homeland Security eyes in the sky--and fifteen to twenty-four hours per flight. 

Reasonable expectation of privacy?  Fuggetaboutit.  You should have chosen to be born into a different world, buddy.  Watch yourself.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:39 | Link to Comment I am more equal...
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Sounds likes the end-times - end of days.  Wow.  Who would have thought the Bible was actually right? 

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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When you were young and your heart was an open book

You used to say live and let live

(you know you did, you know you did you know you did)

But when this ever changing world in which we live in

Makes you give in and cry

Say live and let die


Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Missing_Link
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L for Loser

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:49 | Link to Comment HarryWanger
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Yes. Repeat after me, "it's a movie!" Slow day for doom I guess.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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It's just a movie, but your urinal cakes manufactured in Guangdong Province, and sold for 0.33 cents USD to all four of your business accounts is the real deal.

HairyWang's Urinal Cakes.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:41 | Link to Comment InconvenientCou...
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"...someone did something stupid"

This really misses the magnitude of the issue. The seeds have been sown, the meme is alive and growing. At some point in the past, this outcome was guaranteed. It will likely be repeated.

All the weak doubletalk after the fact doesn't change anything.

profiteers and populist scum need to be publicly revealed as such. Examples of "what went wrong" for the next generation. It's not too late.

 

 

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:46 | Link to Comment Sylvia Plath
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As much as there may seem to be the roots of a cataclysmic event brooding, the masses are sadly not nearly there... and frankly may never be there.  The fault, dear Brutus, lays not within others, but within ourselves...

With 50 million american's barely able to feed themselves, what more do they care about? To compound that problem, much of the +10% unemployed are not unemployed because there are not companies hiring... companies are always hiring so long as taking you on as an employee benefits the bottom line for that firm.  Think about it, do you really think Corperations are for the people by the people? or, Are they by their very essence a profit maximizing machine caught up in the endless persuit of enriching shareholders and those who are smart enough to realize their survival lays in their ability to do something productive?  And are those shareholders beheld to do "God's Work"? 

Frankly, the problem lays in the fact that AT LEAST 10% of American's are just unemployable!  They lack the intelligence, skills, knowledge, and perseverance.  They rather sit in their McMansion, play their X-Box's, and Dream the American DREAM... the dream bought on credit to be realized sooner rather than later... for that is what it is... A dream.  And who doesn't want to dream now?  Are we creating our own MATRIX?

I ackin anyone who takes merit to V, to also see that we are approaching the age of the Machines... Machines control the market, Machines control our entertainment, and Machines control our ability to even communicate... The wildly "successful" people that we see today are those who have managed to educate themselves to work with those machines.... but what about everyone else who doesn't speak code (Computer, financial, legal, et al)? They gravitate to close tech-econsystems like AAPL who simply lay it out for us without question, albeit very well.  We aren't taught how they work... we are taught to consume, enjoy, and then buy another slightly newer version that will somehow do some little thing that little bit better not really knowing why or how. When's the last time you asked a baby boomer to explain the difference between GSM and CDMA and got a simple answer? Or for someone to lay out how their very mortgage goes from a simple signature at a bank and then demonstrably turned into a RMBS? Our consumption is geared towards information control without sitting back and wondering the application or direction.

Now, I am not a complete cynic, but I do apply logic.  It is just my hope that one day, others too will join me and commonly ask... do I really need another gizmo to communicate better when that capital could be better applied to something sustaining?

"And by the way, everything in life is writable about if you have the outgoing guts to do it, and the imagination to improvise. The worst enemy to creativity is self-doubt."

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:58 | Link to Comment Seer
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Well stated! (again, the "Junk" WTF?)

I once wrote a paper on why we shouldn't be afraid of machines/technology, that we should all be pulled together with them, but I've long since jettison'd that thought.  Not that I'm a follower, but Marx was right on this one...

Just not enough work for everyone.  Too many people and too few resources to exploit (to employ everyone).  Rock.  Hard Place...

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 06:55 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Sylvia, good points all. 

In my opinion, this is the AGE of Machines.

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/the-age-of-machines/

ORI

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 07:35 | Link to Comment gangland
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FIRST: Why would I want to be “unique” by getting a stupid gadget that everyone and their mother has??

SECOND: Who the hell watches movies and plays video games on a 3×4 screen and pays the high service fees for it? Unless you’re a kid w/ stupid parents.

THIRD: I do anything possible to fight the corporations and where I can, maximally use them and minimally expose myself to them using me. one of the ways I do this is by buying and tossing/or recycling a new pre-paid cell phone every month or couple of months with a brand new number and sim card.

I use a cell to call people and for them to call and talk to me, not play games, not watch movies, not access the internet, not take pictures, not take video or listen to music, or download stupid apps, or lame gps. I don’t need any of that nonsense tech heroin, I don’t want a freaking blackberry or palm or igadget, I don't want to be connected all the damn time, these devices are for shallow people who have bought into the emotional marketing message which helps them cope with their miserable lives by making them feel connected or important and busy.

folks use your brain and guts, not over hyped gadgets, you want to listen to music get an mp3 players, you want to watch movies, watch them at home with family, you want pictures get a camera; use the gps in your head.

stop enslaving yourselves to so called hi tech.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:43 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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Good points, but Fawkes was certainly no hero.  James, arguable the greatest king of England successfully foiled the plans of the Jesuit infiltrators.  Will America be as fortunate?

http://www.youtube.com/user/BrotherJohnF

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 05:14 | Link to Comment keep the bastar...
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@ 50bagger:  James, arguable the greatest king of England 

twit. .. He  supported the best piece of propaganda/marketing ever in the book"Britannia" c1575 lovingly made  into film by the BBC. Could admire Cromwell too for continueing unification, just 2/3 of irish, a million, dead or sold as slaves to the US.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment bronzie
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"Yesterday’s tragedy is another step deeper into this Fourth Turning. Every Fourth Turning has proven to be a decisive era of secular upheaval, when the values regime propels the replacement of the old civic order with a new one."

it seems to me that most of the comments on any given thread here on ZH can be separated into two groups:

1. people who understand that we are in a fourth turning era and that the status quo can not and will not be maintained

2. people who believe the status quo can be maintained somehow (print more money, implement more regulations, more Obama-designated-czars, etc)

as a student of history I fall firmly into category 1 and I have to assume that the people in category 2 have not studied history

oh well, those who don't study history are doomed to relive it ...

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:12 | Link to Comment jeffgroove102
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You bring up some really good points. Sometimes, I may fit into point #2, even tho I own PM, but mostly because I fear what could come down the pike. Not sure if I am a real big fan of some of Jim Quinn's articles as they do come across to me as religious zealotism at times, but I see where he is coming from. I tend to like what Charles Hugh Smith has to say compared to other authors(Celente, Quinn, etc), because his line of reasoning seems most palpatable.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:28 | Link to Comment iDealMeat
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oh well, those who don't study history are doomed to relive it ...

 

Because history is taught by the Victor. Those that study it, repeat it..

 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:19 | Link to Comment B9K9
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1. people who understand that we are in a fourth turning era and that the status quo can not and will not be maintained

How about another category, perhaps 1(a)? In this slot, people not only understand the essence of #1, but also understand that the power-elite long ago recognized #1.

In this scenario, every event, every distraction, every policy initiative (eg open borders, replacing high-expectation citizens with low-demand, servile illegals), is nothing more than a rear-guard action designed to ensure their safety & survival.

Look, we all know this mofu is coming down. I mean, that was in the cards when the global population began its exponential climb 150 years ago. Oh yeah, in practically perfect correlation with the advent & utilization of fossil fuels.

So the end shouldn't come as a surprise. The only real open issue is who is gonna make it through the bottle-neck. I'm not a huge fan of PMs; don't get me wrong, I understand their place/value. But the key, in my estimation, is to emulate the Taliban: strong tribal allegiances, strict family protocols, correcting disrespect, the whole gamut.

In reference to 'correcting disrepect', please don't take this as my own motivation. No, we will be tested by others (or vice versa) to evaulate suitability for inclusion & trust.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Seer
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I'm there with ya!

Not that I approve/agree with religions, per se, but they do tend to maintain the tribal mentality.  Over the years I've tended to think that the Amish might be the most impressive group in being able to straddle the two worlds: I've been planning on this for years, and am now only starting to embark...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:46 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I thought Guy Fawkes was a patsy and the plot was actually a false flag?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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Yes, the US is ever slowly adopting more stasi like tactics... pretty scary.

 

In one of the most striking experiments in an all powerful, centrally planned government, the GDR (German Democratic Republic) existed for nearly 40 years and increasingly terrorized it's citizens.  One of the most feared notorious departments was the Ministry of State Security (Ministerium für Staatssicherheit)...

http://freedomofoceania.blogspot.com/2011/01/terror-of-state-in-interest...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Bob
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hhttp://www.amconmag.com/blog/assassin-nation/

The American Civil Liberties Union is suing to compel Uncle Sam “to disclose the legal standard it uses to place U.S. citizens on government kill lists.” The Obama administration has responded by invoking the doctrine of state secrets, effectively claiming that national security demands that these policies be kept hidden. By hiding behind state secrets, the feds don’t even have to explain why the law doesn’t apply to their actions.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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They're fighting a losing battle.  State secrets are going to be diminished like the rotary phone:  http://freedomofoceania.blogspot.com/2011/01/internet-technology-and-tot...

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