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Guest Post: What The Heck Is Going On With China

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Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:30 | 66738 Gilgamesh
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FUQI has been making a mint on the shift in China, in those regards.  But I suspect people still aren't going to believe what's happening in front of their eyes.  Yes, the same people that ramble on about China supporting global equity bubbles once again - are the same people who talk down gold (and silver) as wingnut/doomsday.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 20:36 | 67027 gmrpeabody
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Thanks, Andy, for using the "thinkolator" and saving me from dumpster diving yet another last chance add.

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 08:38 | 67503 h4rdware
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It had to be either Royal (royalties) or Wheaton, and it wasn't Wheaton, being focused on Silver. But thanks for 'refining' that further. Ahem.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:03 | 70639 Pairs Trader
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While this article is interesting, I find it eerily similar to some of the content of another article already published on Zero Hedge: China et al: Puts Floor in the Gold Market by Asiablues, http://www.zerohedge.com/article/china-et-al-puts-floor-gold-market.  
Asiablue's article is published a day earlier on Seeking Alpha and picked up by Reuter, etc.  However, this "guest post" was not even picked up by Seeking Alpha and is sitting as an "instablog", I'm now less than impressed with this "guest post". 

I have been a long time fan of Zero Hedge site, but this is one big disappointment to me. 

ZH: One suggestion, vet future "guest posts" more carefully.   

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 21:24 | 67085 Vicious
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Interesting article, but you know I think I saw a similar post before. Yeah, it was yesterday! Asiablues wrote about this subject matter too. ZH, watch Asiablues…her content spreads quickly over them Interwebitubes.

 

Check it out:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/china-et-al-puts-floor-gold-market

http://seekingalpha.com/article/160952-will-this-gold-rush-continue

http://jsmineset.com/

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketViews/idUSSeekingAlpha16095220090911

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=FCX

http://dianchu.blogspot.com/

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:31 | 66744 phaesed
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Didn't know about that gold transfer... interesting

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:34 | 66750 Anonymous
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Love buying gold in Asia. So easy, and the spreads are much much less.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 22:55 | 67227 Anonymous
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Agree, in Thailand, it is very easy to buy physical gold. Nearly every big shopping mall has a gold shop. 96.5% gold bar is very popular among Thai gold bugs. Jewelry stores use 96.5% gold to make necklace, ring and so on. Bid vs ask differs about $3/baht of gold bar.
2 baht of gold (in Thai unit) = 30.2 grams or 0.965 troy ounces

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 06:41 | 67467 FreddyInBangkok
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thing is exporting gold from Thailand prohibited without all the right permits failing which might lead to confiscation w/fine twice the value. I've found the spread can be somewhat higher. back in March gold dealers closed up shop for a week or so. Volatilty cited.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:35 | 66754 Anonymous
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China supposedly the world's largest gold market.

http://debtsofanation.blogspot.com/2009/08/debts-of-lenders-china-become...

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:37 | 66761 AN0NYM0US
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not sure about the link at the end of the article  - seems like a late night infomercial even though it insists it is not - but when I read a pitch like this:

 

"I’m talking about a unique gold investment that’s made a handful of people quite wealthy, independent of recessions, new taxes, and even dips in gold prices.

 

  * Like Jan Henderson, who watched her 401(k) dwindle, but she still received a check worth $1,986 last month as a result of this investment.
    * And Keith Mills, who got a check for more than $1,729 in January 2009, even though the NYSE fell 10% that month
    * John Winthrop can barely stand to watch the news these days, but he doesn’t mind watching his checking account go up over $2,902 every 90 days.

It’s basically the only way to make money in gold no matter what‘s going on in the markets."

 

http://www.caseyresearch.com/crpmkt/crpSolo.php?id=148&ppref=ZHB148ED0909B

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:21 | 66844 KevinB
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When I read a pitch like that, my first thought is "Why is he telling me about this? Why isn't he just buying it?".  I find it hard to believe any of it.

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 04:43 | 67441 Anonymous
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Wow a get rich pitch scheme. Disappointing indeed. If I see many more posts like this Zero Hedge will loose all credibility in my eyes.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:40 | 66777 Anonymous
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China IS going for the gold! My wife, a Chinese national, recently setup a (physical) gold trading account in Shanghai with the Bank of China. It seems that the central bank of China is enthusiastically encouraging and facilitating physical gold purchasing and selling for Chinese citizens. My wife is hearing indidental stories of many (wealthy) chinese converting vast sums into physical gold. The Chinese are mortified by American monetary policy (ie, printing vast sums of money) as they still remember the devastating hyper-inflation resulting from the Chinese nationalists who did the same after WWII.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 18:57 | 66943 MinnesotaNice
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Great info... thanks...

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 19:08 | 66950 Anonymous
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it's not just china - it is happening stateside...
there are huge history making moves afoot on
the global stage...most folks cannot and will not
see them....the usa is about to get bitch slapped.....

the music is about to stop in the game of musical
chairs and debt based fiat currency....the usa
most likely will not have a chair although
it will pout and use its cia and military to
instigate one last hurrah....

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:47 | 66780 Trading Nymph
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I have been following this too...you saw what the Shanghai Copper Futures did when China gave credit to buy copper (another move away from USD). On Sept 28 china is releasing their own bonds. Reading between the lines, I am seeing China also thinking about becoming a major Car Maker and cutting out GM, Ford, etc...maybe even copying their designs? China HATES our USD, we are not listening at all to them and we deserve what we get. They will get their global currency, and we will not be number one....we just keep spending and spending. So yeah, pushing their people to buy gold is a lot better then pushing them to buy Real Estate and Stocks. I believe China is thinking just that when they got stuck with a bubble this year....btw the Shanghai Daily and The China Official Paper are a lot better sources of data IMHO........I talk a lot about it in my humble trading diary, which I normally reprint a lot of economic reports, Marc Chandler from BBH's FX comments (he emails them to me, and says it's ok), Fibo stuff,etc...while I watch the market fwiw....http://www.stockpickr.com/members/showforums/1/5723/

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:45 | 66786 Trading Nymph
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Here is the link to the official China Paper, IMHO it should be on everyone's reading list, much more insight then Market Watch, etc..http://www.china.org.cn/index.htm

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 18:08 | 66903 Lionhead
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Thanks TN; China is high up on my portfolio. Always looking for news articles. US media is about the last place to find good articles or info. Except here of course!

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 19:24 | 66961 Trading Nymph
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your welcome Lionhead....the other one I mentioned above is http://www.shanghaidaily.com/ there are about 15 other great sources to read via the internet I go thru daily....US media is normally so late to the party...Zero Hedge totally the place to hang with.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:54 | 66797 Anonymous
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For Chinese, It is in GOLD they trust for at least 2000 years history, not paper money. It is surprising that the government starts encouraging them to buy at this moment. Why?

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 19:13 | 66955 Anonymous
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to force up the price of gold...

there are two reasons for this....1. the increase
benefits their gold holdings 2. the increase in
gold is to break the manipulation of the gold
cartel....once this happens the attractiveness
of usa debt vanishes....we will be forced to honestly
price our junk bonds and pay interest commensurate with the risk....

but more importantly an honest gold price is a
mediator of interest....so many people have
been robbed of an honest interest rate and artificially
low rates have impoverished america....

gold is always a competitor to paper which is why
the assholes in the government keep suppressing it....

china's embrace of gold is an epic development
in the power configuration of the world....

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 20:32 | 67023 Anonymous
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To give them something to protect.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:55 | 66798 Hephasteus
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Screw china. We got something better than Gold. We got illusions.


RECORD 75 MILLION AMERICANS NOW
PRETENDING THEY OWN THEIR OWN HOMES  
Low Interest Rates Help Many Fulfill The American (Banker's) Dream
 
Minneapolis, Minn. (SatireWire.com) — Showing no ill effects from a weak economy, housing numbers released by the National Association of Realtors today showed that a record 75 million Americans are now participating in the mass self-delusion that they, and not their banks, actually own their homes.
 
"Home ownership is the fulfillment of the American (banking industry's) dream, and we are proud to announce that more Americans than ever have been able to (help lending institutions) achieve that dream," said NAR President Richard Schicter.
 
After putting 20 percent down on a $235,000 house yesterday morning, Minneapolis pediatric nurse Stephanie Doogan officially became the 75 millionth American to take part in the widely accepted fantasy.  
 
"Ever since I was a little girl, I've wanted to (deceive myself into believing I could) be a homeowner," said Doogan, 35. "Well, look at me now! Me, little Stephanie Doogan, I actually have a place I can call 100 percent (minus 80 percent) my own!"  
 
Across the country, other (people in denial concerning their status as) property owners expressed similar satisfaction.  
 
"There's nothing like taking a walk around your (bank-owned) house, then going outside and kneeling down in your (bank-owned) lawn and grabbing a handful of (the bank's) dirt to make you realize how precious (their) land is," said 28-year-old Matt Jackson, who('s bank) bought a $210,000 home on New York's Long Island last year. "It makes me feel as though I really have something that no one can take away from me (unless I miss so much as one mortgage payment)."  
 
Added Devon Knight, who recently thinks he purchased a condominium in Baltimore's Inner Harbor: "When I was renting an apartment, if the furnace went out, I had to get the landlord to fix it. But now, if the furnace goes out, I have to fix it!... hold on, I'm losing the illusion here... why is that good again?"  
 
"Equity," said Jay Harrington, Knight's mortgage broker at First Union. "Just remember, you have equity. And next to the right of every single American (major corporation) to have a say in who gets elected, that's the most sacred thing you can (pretend you) have."  
 
Copyright © 2001-2002, SatireWire. 

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:38 | 66866 BM (not verified)
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))

there's no such thing as an ownership even if you paid for your house all in cash.

just stop paying a property tax and you'll see who's the real owner of "your" house.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 21:24 | 67087 Marge N Call
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EXACTLY. That's why real estate scares me.

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 01:44 | 67370 Anonymous
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And what exactly do you think would happen if the government stopped paying it's debt obligations to the banks?

So, who really owns the government?

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 18:23 | 66926 Anonymous
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home ownership is a myth. we rent our homes from the state. if you think that you own it, then try not paying your property taxes one year and see what happens.

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 02:32 | 67394 Anonymous
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Make that just one week late this june, as in my case and the township of Old Bridge, NJ sent me a notice to foreclose my house. I had to pay nearly $100 to have my name removed from the supposed auction list. I don't have any mortgage on the house

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 11:41 | 67614 Anonymous
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so true.

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 01:42 | 67369 Anonymous
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Funny ... but sad. The worst part is that the money put up for the house by the bank (minus the minor down payment of course) was all conjured out of thin air. So they not only own your house, but they paid nothing to "buy" it.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:56 | 66799 Anonymous
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Interesting speculation but too much speculation here to remain pertinent. If pitching gold is the objective I would have preferred a 'dollar doom' story instead.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 19:15 | 66958 Anonymous
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you, my friend, are clueless.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 16:56 | 66800 Anonymous
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China, Brazil and India will become world superpowers while USA withers to a socialist consumer debt ridden third world.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:02 | 66810 Veteran
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Fuck China.  You can't believe a fucking thing they say.  Inscrutable bastards

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:11 | 66826 Gordon_Gekko
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And you can believe what the US Goverment says?

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:17 | 66837 Busy-Body
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CNBS (I mean, GE) said I could believe - no conflict of interest there......;)

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:11 | 66827 George the baby...
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Wow, finally a university educated academic in our midst.  And of course Americans are being totally honest about the trillions of scams that is called market capitalism.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:27 | 66850 Veteran
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Hey, I paid for my edumac..., eduka..., my degree just like the rest of you. 

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 18:03 | 66896 Miles Kendig
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When you have them buy the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

You know this fact of life Vet..  Why so shocked and surprised?

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 18:14 | 66914 Veteran
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I know, I know.  I hate myself

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 19:28 | 66963 Miles Kendig
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Hate yo'self all you want... I still respect and admire you... Welcome to Friday my dear associate....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlaXZtd8_nM

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:10 | 66821 Gordon_Gekko
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Does Bobby Prechter know there is a country called China?

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:13 | 66831 George the baby...
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Bobby thinks china is something his grandmother had in her kitchen cupboards.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 18:04 | 66898 Miles Kendig
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And when ginger was added made for a great pass along for a dinner party.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 18:30 | 66930 Anonymous
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Richard Prechter is still counting waves.....:)

and shedlock........???? shedlock is talking about bakery unions.....:)

harde har har har.....man o man.......what a deal!!!

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:11 | 66824 Anonymous
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The Casey research stock is RGLD, it is a gold royalty company, that has goone straight up recently... However, the valuations are very very rich...

In the case of owning a home, in most states, assuming 3% price appreciation per year and a 30 year conventional mortgage, over the course of 30 years a homeowner will 1) pay 70% of the purchase price in interest to the bank, 2) will pay 70% of the purchase price in real estate taxes to the local municipality, 3) pay 10-15% to the insurance company in premiums... Of course people push homeownersip, it is a great deal for government, the banks, and the insurance companies... Not many asset (liability) classes like that...

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:18 | 66838 Anonymous
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Ugg, infomercials on ZH.

"48 karat gold"

I hate that kind of crap.

Read what Stock Gumshoe thinks 48 karat gold is.

http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2009/06/48-karat-gold-an-investment-worth-tw...

"So … pour that data into the Thinkolator, and it appears that this must be …

Royal Gold (RGLD)

The “48 Karat Gold” they’re referring to seems to be more broadly “mining royalties”, but the specific dividend paying investment should be Royal Gold, the leading gold royalty company."

.....

Hijack over, back to China.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 17:24 | 66846 waterdog
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China has its own gold mines. They are of very poor quality. It is very expensive to get an ounce of gold from mine to vault in China. Efficiently operating facilities in other countries run by private companies are costing mine to vault gold at $ 300 an ounce. China's mine to vault is probably $ 650 if not more. China's about-face in gold ownership is caused by China dumping the cost of mining its gold onto its citizens. With gold selling for $ 950+, China can afford to mine gold as long as it is sold in China. The amount of gold held by China would not buy one attack bomber from the US.

Fri, 09/11/2009 - 19:26 | 66964 Anonymous
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you're fucked up.....

the price of gold extraction in china is a non
sequiteur....especially since gold is underpriced...
regardless of the quality of those mines china
is the larget gold producer in the world and will probably maintain that position for some years...

please supply a reference for your claim of
650 usd/oz for production....

general costs for gold production are right around
price at this time....this includes exploration,
mining, refining, fabrication, and replacment...

world gold production has been declining since
2000 and shows no signs of reversing any time
soon because the gold cartel has suppressed the
price so long that it is uneconomical to mine...

then add that barrick - boy wonder of the mining
world - is defaulting on 8m oz of gold forward
sales which is over 1 year's worth of production
and you can see problems with current price
levels....

all of the dollars in the usa will fail to buy
an attack bomber with the collapse of the
dollar and usa economy....and that military
advantage no longer exists because the clintons
gave away huge amounts of it during the 1990s....
the chinese navy can challenge ours in the pacific....

besides, a military solution is a bullshit
solution....go tell your cia handlers to go
fuck themselves...

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