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Submitted by John Cobin of Sovereign Man

Where the cops actually treat you like a human being…

When is the last time you shook a policeman’s hand, appreciative of the good work he had done for you? I live in Chile and I just did so.

In North America, I would never think of doing the same thing. Cops are to be feared there. They are not helpful allies in the fight against crime. A North American is more likely to be victimized by the police rather than helped by them. In Europe, citizens are more likely to be clubbed than supported.

YouTube is full of police abuse in the developed world; it is becoming a common reality of a politically correct society rather than a shocking exception.

These uniformed thugs break down doors and intimidate innocent people. They plant GPS tracking devices on the cars of private citizens. They arrest people for dancing, arrest them for having a “bad attitude,” harrass people for taking photographs, and otherwise go out of their way to threaten what they are charged with protected.

In Chile, things are different. Not only are the cops not corrupt like they are in every other Latin American country, they are actually helpful and efficient. Examples abound.

A couple of years ago I was driving my car in the south of Chile. At a routine stop a carabinero (Chilean cop) found that my car registration had not been paid (about US$40 on my used car). I had no idea. Normally, my car would have been impounded on the spot.

Instead, the policeman told me that he would act like he never saw me but that I had better get the tax paid right away. So he sent me on my way. I was very pleased, and I paid the tax the next day.

I have been lost, too, driving in some remote area of Chile. When all else failed, I proceeded without hesitation to the carabinero station to make my inquiry. Such events have almost always resulted in success.

In other cases I have been cited by the carabineros for traffic infractions. But to their credit, I was guilty as charged. And in some cases I got off with just a warning. The point is that in Chile the cops still treat you like a human being, and they understand that you can make a mistake at times.

They are not itching to leap at an opportunity to flex their muscles or put you in your place. There is not a latent urge in the Chilean cops to have chance to show their might or use force. Plus, as my wife says, if they did become that way, Chileans would likely rise up and lynch them on the spot!

Today, I had to visit the police station to report fraudulent use of my credit card overseas. The bank’s fraud department had spotted the problem and directed me to make a police report, known as a constancia in Chile.

I entered the building and walked into the room where the three carabineros worked to take such reports. I asked one of them to inquire if I was in the right place. He affirmed that I was. So I sat down and waited.

My wait was prolonged when the station’s server went down for 10 minutes. But other than that I was out of there in short order. The carabinero took the information from my credit card, my ID card, and the bank’s fraud department’s findings, and then he entered them into his system. I left with a printout showing a case number.

The cop did his job so well and efficiently that I shook his hand and wished him a good day. He responded in like manner, courteously saying goodbye.

One of the benefits of living in Chile is that society is civil. Cops are not marauding bands of thugs to be fear but rather people who are willing to do what they can to help. How does that reality compare with where you live?


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Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:20 | 1421790 JW n FL
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Police shoot Young (Child Like) Man in the back after he is handcuffed laying face down on the concrete.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:09 | 1421866 -Heisenberg-
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Archive of police agression videos and constitutional abuses comitted by the state

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 01:53 | 1422205 Ahmeexnal
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The author of this post is either a Chilean police department PR agent, or a Rockefeller. Chilean police brutality is amply documented. Violent clashes are a routine in Chile. Police goon squads frequently beat up student protesters. Water cannons used against civilians are also a common sight.

Mr. John Cobin must not consider chilean students to be human:

To him, the native chilean indians like the Mapuche must not be human either:

Hell, the whole chilean population aren't human to him!
But to be fair, the Chilean police are nice to their wealthy foreigner overlords, like Mr. Cobin or Mr. Rockefeller.

The truth is that the Hollywood-staged miners rescue gave the chilean government a much needed oxygen tank. The televised hoax mesmerized the chilean sheeple, who for a few weeks forgot about the real issues facing Chile: a collapsing real estate, corruption on a rampage, the government's coverup and inaction in response to the massive 2010 quake.
Chile's government is on the verge of collapse.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 05:56 | 1422307 Thinkor
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I agree with Mr. Cobin.  I have had several encounters with the carabineros and they were always polite and professional.  I have seen several student demonstrations and in none of them did I see police brutality.  Student demonstrations are very common here in Santiago.

I have read about some demonstrations where the police used force against students, but do not know anything about them from personal observation.  It may be that the students engaged in illegal behavior.  I don't know much about the relations with the Mapuche. I do remember carabineros used force to evict some kind of "natives" on Easter Island (?) from houses they were supposedly illegally occupying.

I don't see any sign of the government being near collapse.  Here's a headline from for April 29, 2011 (see

Chile registra superávit fiscal de 1,1% del PIB en primer trimestre de 2011

Translation:  Chile registers a surplus of 1.1% of GDP in the first trimester of 2011.  A budget surplus is usually not a sign of a government near collapse.   Also, I recently read an article in a local newspaper noting that Chile had a growth rate exceeding China's.  Of course, the government could be near collapse, depending on the structure of bank assets, etc., but compare the 5 year stock performance of Banco de Chile with JP Morgan, Credit Suisse, or Deutschebank.  I assure you, you would much rather have spent the last five years with Banco de Chile. 

The most obvious dangers to Chile at present are its dependence on energy imports and the price of copper.

It is more likely the moon landing was faked than the rescue of the miners in Chile was faked.

I am not a PR agent for the carabineros, nor am I a Rockefeller or other "wealthy foreign overlord" but I am working hard to become one so I can live off the fat of the land and crush the Mapuche.




Sun, 07/03/2011 - 08:51 | 1422381 pazmaker
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Thanks Ahmeexnal for some saneness in an insane thread.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:03 | 1422614 JW n FL
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as usual Fantastic info from you, Mr. Ahmeexnal.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 05:26 | 1422298 Sudden Debt
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There are hundreds of thousands police man. Yes, a single few are bad.


The last 2 weeks I was in New York and Washington and the police over there was very friendly.

Whenever I couldn't find my way, I asked a police man, and shaked their hand after I got friendly directions.








Sun, 07/03/2011 - 05:54 | 1422306 A Man without Q...
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Fact is, if you are a decently dressed white foreigner, police will almost always be nice to you.  If you are a student on a protest march just about anywhere, then, they'll treat you like an anarchist scumbag who will benefit from a severe beating.  

Police in the US are just as guilty of prejudice as anywhere.  I remember being stopped by the police in Southern California, and the driver, my friend, is a Mexican citizen, studying at university.  It amazed me how aggressive the cops were, as I could compare it to a few weeks earlier when a similar thing happened with me and an couple of Irish guys (ironically, then we'd been speeding, but the cops were all charm and just gave us a gentle warning, with the Mexican guy, we'd done nothing wrong, he just didn't like the look of the guy.)  

The fact is Chile is one of the most color conscious societies in the world, where a few degrees of darkness on your skin moves you far down the social scale, and being white and foreign elevates you to upper middle class automatically.  If you were a darker skinned land worker and you wanted to report a crime against you, I don't think they police would give a shit.  

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 08:28 | 1422368 Sudden Debt
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1. Some of these cops where colored also.

2. If you constantly meet Mexicans who you can't trust and are in crime, and those are constantly protected by their community, you stop trusting them. And when you meet the good once, they become a victim of the other once. A community should realize that if you condemn crime yourself, your race will not be stigmatized as all being criminals.


I once had a assistant who was Moroccan and she was constantly saying that all white people are racists.

I called here one day in my office and said her:

"You are working here in a office where 99% of the people are white. Everybody is nice to you right? (She said yes). Are they racist against you? You can tell me. (No, never).

Then I said: You're fired for insulting every colleague you work with.


She didn't understand and called me a racist pig  and even wanted to hit me.

After that I went to my boss and said that I'll never want a colored assistant ever again.


Some fuck it up for everybody else. These people should start realizing that. The world is hard for everybody. And not ever bad thing is because of racism.

White people are THE most tolerable people on this planet!

Just go to any african country, South Africa, Azia... and you'll see that these people are WAY MORE racist against people different from them.

Colored people get upset because not everything is easy for them. They don't get everything handed out for them. AND THEY ARE VERY RACIST THEMSELVES!


How did your friend look to them? How did your friend respond to those cops?

I've seen these thing way to much myself, and always it's the colored who do it to themselves without realizing.


You make music about the "White man"... THAT'S RACIST!

How come we think bad about colored people? We constantly see racist and criminal stuff from your side!



Black people call themselves Niggers, but don't want white people to call them Niggers.

1. THAT IS RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE!! If you call yourself Niggers, we get to call you Niggers to. It's that easy. And if you don't like it: YOU ARE A RACIST.


SO: You should also be proud that you get the racist treatment.

And if you don't like it: Put in a racist complaint against those racist black music and movie producers who propagade that image. Put in a racist complaint against every colored person who calls a white person "whity" or whatever behind their backs and in their faces.

Start with that.



Mexicans don't like black people and black people don't like Mexicans. Black people don't like white people and white people don't like black people. Black people don't like yellow people and yellow people don't like white black and mexicans........



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 08:46 | 1422371 malikai
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 08:59 | 1422384 Sudden Debt
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You're a idiot.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 09:21 | 1422400 malikai
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Wow. Excellent rebuttal. I guess I stand corrected. LOL.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 09:50 | 1422425 Sudden Debt
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All you posted where 2 youtube movies that only prove you're a racist who lacks the extra braincells to make any connection.

It's because of people like you that there will always be racism. And you just don't understand.


You can't even use the answer you've just given in a just way. You may give this after you answer my remarks and if I could not answer yours.

All you where able is look up 2 movies on youtube... pathetic.

I already made up out of the rest of your comments that you're a colored person who grew up in a poor environment and the rest of your comments clearly show that you blame every challenge in your life on white people.

Challenges in life is what determines and creates the character of people.

You've never been able to take on these challenges in life and used excuses and blaming others because you failed in life.



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:48 | 1422474 malikai
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I've read many of your responses in the past and have agreed with you in private and public many times. Your original post was not an exception.

I am assuming that this comes down to a misunderstanding. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt and answer your questions.

  1. The first video is supportive of your sentiments.
  2. I am white. I grew up in a colored neighborhood and got to see the 'hate whitey' side of the world in ways you will never know.
  3. Challenges in life are what I get off on. I have been able to overcome problems that many people would just chalk up to 'the man kept me down', and I have been fairly successful in business, love, and life as a result. 
I think you will find upon watching the original video and studying it closely, that the problem you described in your original post is amply documented in all its sad glory. I reccommend listening very carefully to the woman behind the camera.
Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:58 | 1422489 Sudden Debt
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I didn't fully watch those youtube flicks because I thought they where to prove white rasicme.

I'm sorry I went against you for that.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:18 | 1422510 malikai
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No worries mate. It happens to all of us.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:40 | 1422528 QQQBall
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So you didnt read the response or watch the videos and then responded with "Your an Idiot? Follow the link, you will fit right in.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:47 | 1422585 malikai
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Everybody makes mistakes. The important thing is to learn from them. I've probably made a fool out of myself a dozen times on this board. It's no big deal.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 04:22 | 1423717 The Real Fake E...
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some of the biggest douchebags i've met throughout latin america are either from chile or argentina, so forgive me if I call bluff on this article.  **full disclosure** i'm colombian and every country has its host of characters, but those countries in particular take the cake.  perhaps it may have something to do with the large influx of immigrants from Europe into those countries in the 40's, 50's and 60's, but they carry around this elitist, better than everyone else mentality that really irks me.


curious as to why this is even posted on zerohedge?  not sure i am seeing the connection.  Has Barrick Gold made great discoveries in their Pascua Lama project and are fearing a revolution by citizens, so in advance are trying to paint law enforcement as a bunch of dalai lama's with badges?   

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 09:50 | 1422423 moneymutt
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I'm sure you are have storng vales and care for community greatly, doubt you would be in this forum if you were not concerned for th greater if you can find it you, hear me out I my take on your post, give me an open mind fo

You decided to never again hire another person of color because the behavior of one person. Way is that? Also, is your practice to fire someone who apparently otherwise was an acceptable worker without warning

What if you had hired a white neo nazi and

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:13 | 1422441 Sudden Debt
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Her work was good but she did not contribute to overall moral.

I'm in Marketing and she was to. Her job is to make everybody proud about the company.

I decided never to hire one again because I've seen to many play the race card before. And I have enough work and things to do besides waisting my time with those issues.

She was not and is not the only colored person at work. But 1 thing is the most important and is in a way the moral of my story: NOBODY LIKES VICTIMS.




I'm not a racist, but the more and more colored (and in my country that are the muslims) play the race cards as a excuse for everything, the more I start to hate those people. Not because of who they are but because they stand synonymous for nagging and complaining without doing any work at all.


My first mentor said it best: You can be down on your luck so bad, but whatever you do: Show success and let nobody ever see your bad luck. Losers only attract losers.


It's easy for people to play the race card because it's a excuse for them not to take that extra step to be successful and be accepted.


Your last sentence : "what if you had hired a white neo nazi"

It's a pitty you added that last sentence. It shows your a idiot to.



Adopt and act like the people expect you to. Do good. Act like you want to be threaded.

Be nice, be friendly and show respect.

And people will respect you.

If you don't get the respect, look for a mirror and ask yourself why. And no answer may be: It's because of "them"... Because that's the answer of stupid people who will not en never be successful.

And if you are surrounded by people in your community who do think that it's always "them". Drop those people and look for new friends who do want to integrate. Never expect everybody to change to meet your demands. You must change to meet their demands. That is what a society is. It's not something that needs to adopt to every individuals need but to what the overall group needs.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:54 | 1422488 AnAnonymous
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Adopt and act like the people expect you to. Do good. Act like you want to be threaded.

Be nice, be friendly and show respect.

And people will respect you.


Message for coloured people who suffer from racism:

Dont fall in the trap of the "emulate us so you show us your loyalty" It is a dead end propagated by the US pravda. People do not want you to emulate them but want you to adopt a behaviour that would flatter their ego.

Eg:Racists do not want you to become like them, that would mean becoming racists. No, they want you to behave as their racist thoughts want you to behave. It is different.

Do not think in terms "in Rome, do as the Romans do" Think in terms " in Rome, do as the Romans want you to do"

Adopting a violent behaviour that have been profitable for the locals is especially considered a threat. They have grown rich thanks to this behaviour and will fight you anytime you display the same behaviour.

On the contrary, they expect you to know your position, you are the one to be fleeced, the one to be extorted. Do not shake what they call the natural order.

And last bit, if you live in Europe, be extremelly cautious. European people are losing steam, are losing power. One way to relieve oneself when losing power is to hit harder weaker people in order to prove oneself that the loss of power is not real, that there's still something left in that old horse.

US world order.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:31 | 1422521 Sudden Debt
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I have family who made money in Congo and indeed many did in the past.

But that's a thing of the past. What my Uncles did is not what I will do. It was another time and place.

But you should also realize that many Zaire people would really want the Belgiums to come back and redevelop the country. But that's another thing.

I make my money from working hard en trying to be the best at what I do.

I don't expect people to change 100% but I do expect them to learn the customs and language.

In Europe we don't really care about colour. We all had colonies and every colour is represented here.

The only problems you'll hear from us is that the muslims are more and more adopting sharia laws expect us to do the same. It's not a race thing, it's a religion thing.

I am not a color racist, but I am a religion racist. Any religion that thinks of itself being better than others is evil.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:00 | 1422536 AnAnonymous
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Robbing does not exclude hard work.
This is the past and the present is the continuation of the past.
Typical US mind to be selective of what inheritance should include.
Laws say that if you want to inherit of something, you have to take the debt coming up with it.
Well, when it comes to the past, it must be debt free. Money made from crimes is taken but certainly not the crime itself.

Racism is an inherent part of the US system.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:44 | 1422581 Léonard
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I don't know in which world you're living in but you're far away from reality. Racism is an inherent part in ALL systems and all races, not only in the US. People in Africa are as just racists, Arabs hate Blacks and Asiatic people, etc. This is the human nature. You will always see one ethnic group trying to bust the other ones.

The real US system is : let's mix the little people together to have a multicultural and uprooted sheep consummers society. That day somewhere in 60's the US got busted. Since then, the country went down hill with huge debt and crime rates. The same can be seen in all multicultural societies like in South Africa, Brazil and now Europe, GB, France and Belgium particulary.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:02 | 1422611 malikai
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Sad but true. There does seem to be one exception, however. The intermixing of East Asian and European/Whites. For some reason we seem to be less incompatible than the rest. And I cannot qualify why, other than to say it is.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 15:14 | 1422871 Léonard
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Yes, it is and I cannot myself say why. It has maybe something to do with the genes. They say East Asians and Europeans both share Neanderthal genes and Africans have only Homo Sapien genes.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:17 | 1422997 AnAnonymous
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This is the human nature.


Racism is a social construction, popularized by the US world order.

In the US,  its progress as a social construction can be tracked down through the Indians who had to learn racism to relieve their pain.

Africans are not racist. Asians are not racist.

Africans did not percieve themselves as Black before it was taught to them and still have to learn a lot. Neither Asians. Chinese have a long way to go.

Not human nature. You might argue that ethnocentrism and xenophobia (it is rather popular from US citizens to confuse ethnocentrism, xenophobia with racism) are part of the human nature. Not racism.

US citizens love to tell that their behaviour is natural, that it is human nature. But racism is not human nature.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:42 | 1423038 Rodent Freikorps
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Heh. That is some funny shit, right there.


Mon, 07/04/2011 - 01:45 | 1423618 IQ 101
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Where did you lurn to tork, Haavad?

You just ain't white in the head,mr wabbit.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:45 | 1422479 AnAnonymous
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What if you had hired a white neo nazi and


Nothing. It is management in this US driven world.

Managers are here to crop the fruits of management positions, not to manage issues internal to their groups. It is kicking the can.

Managers follow the path of least resistance and are used to hitting on the head the same profiles because it is the easier and the less disturbing to the internal stability to a group.

A guy blaming all day long minorities will not get sacked as it will unlikely disturb the group. In this US driven world, the group is all, individuality is just membership to a group.

Justice is a difficult path, it can call for disturbance as anyone within a group can be exposed.

Sacking the Morrocan woman was the easiest task to do. It has nothing to do with factuality, quality of work or anything like that.

Management in the US world order does not think in terms of rules, it thinks in terms of preservation of the group.

Anyone who did a boot camp know this is well spread in the US army.  A whipping boy is elected by the sarge, the rest of the group can abuse him, sarge mostly punish him, he is a stress outlet.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:23 | 1422650 Urban Redneck
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"A guy blaming all day long minorities will not get sacked as it will unlikely disturb the group."

I beg to differ- anyone complaining about anything all day long, much less something as as irrelevant as race, is going to get sacked - because they do distract from the task at hand and reduce productivity, even if no one is listening to them.

Of course there could be some executives who will tolerate that sort of shit absent regulation forcing them to do so, but then it means that they are willing to sacrifice institutional profitability for sake of presumably shared ideology.  While blood and sex have, and will always, be able to trump reason in management, in a TBTF world- the dominant dogma is profit, not individual ideology.

Ironically, the most prevelant institutionized racism I have come across in corporations is in developing economies where increasing development and GDP growth can be sacrificed for sake of regulatory regimes promoting employment and authority for the locals.  The Middle East is a prime example of this.

This "racism is a white person thing" phenomenon is a fictitious creation of troglodyte Europhile liberals in America who, if they have even actually been to Europe, never left the quartier latin or montparnasse, and certainly never toured the banlieues, or went a la campagne, unless in a disneyfied tour bus.  Racism is both a color-blind and global phenomenon.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:23 | 1423005 AnAnonymous
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I beg to differ- anyone complaining about anything all day long, much less something as as irrelevant as race, is going to get sacked - because they do distract from the task at hand and reduce productivity, even if no one is listening to them.


All day long? That is quite a stretch. Productivity is what it is and stating anytime possible this or that does not include doing it all day long.

A work force take breaks and this is at this moment that this kind of relaxation happens.

This woman was part of a minority and repeated a message that the majority did not taste, creating disturbance. She got sacrificed for the welfare of the group.

Racism is both a color-blind and global phenomenon.


No. Racism is still a white thing. Some other people are trying to acquire that behaviour but they have failed. It is nothing like an invention of a white mind (but possibly of liberalism if liberalism means US citizenism) to say that racism was invented, developed and spread by white people. This is only the acknowledgement of facts. Something hard to come with in this US driven world, I admit.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 11:10 | 1424249 Urban Redneck
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Perhaps you should explain just why racism is a "white" or "American" thing.

As racists have been around since before the Persians were thumbing their noses at their neighbors after their first 1000 years of civilization, and that was several thousandyears ago. Then there are those racist white philosophers in Ancient Greece (although in fairness the paint has worn off most the marbles now, leaving and appearance of whiteness, unless one looks at an image of the same person on an amphorae - and the person same is black).  The Persian racism towards Arabs hasn't fundamentally changed over the last couple thousand years either, despite the Prophet Mohammed's influence on both groups.  Then there was the the eastern global phenomenon of the Arab slave trade and the millions of black and white slaves taken to create the trade's profits, and this was long before the Portuguese ever set foot in Zanzibar.  Moving a bit further east- neither the East India Company nor the Royal Census brought the racist caste system to India, the Brahminins came up with that one before Christ, Alexander the Great, and even the drafting of the book of Genesis in the Old Testament.  Moving forward a few years there was there were those evil white "Americans" in Babylon assembling the Talmud and blaming "darky".  Moving further east, and back in time (but not quite as far back as on the Indian subcontenent) there is the growth of the race based slave trade in China during the Tang dynasty, and that was centuries before Kublai Khan showed up in implemented his explicitely racist caste system in plenty of time to welcome Marco Polo.  In addition to that white American racist Kublai Khan's actions on the Asian and European continents, there were his attempted invasions of those other white American racists secretly occupying Japan since before 1274 and donning yellow-face several hundred later during the Sengoku period to impress the wayward Portuguese.  I could go into the centuries of examples of ethnic conflict in the "Americas" by red or brown "Americans" which didn't exactly commence like clockwork beginning in the fall of 1492, but perhaps you should start off with responding to the easy questions.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:48 | 1422599 Léonard
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The real question is : why are Morroco allowed to work in Europe in the first place when so many Europeans are unemployed ?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:51 | 1422710 Dr. Porkchop
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Where I work, a majority of the employees are from Jamaica, Trinidad / Tobago, or India / Pakistan. There are a certain element who waste  no opportunity to shout racism when it suits them, mostly the Jamaicans or Trinis. It doesn't matter how much you try to earn their respect or be fair, they will turn around and try to screw you when things don't go their way.

It's not ethical behaviour. In the end, I blame HR and the Sr. Management, who have failed, over the course of many years to grab a pair and fire the underperformers and troublemakers. They are too afraid of lawsuits and the like. The employees do not respect the rules or management because of the lack of enforcement. They act like children and test the limits. Why? Because, that is how they are treated, like spoiled little children.



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:27 | 1423012 AnAnonymous
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Where I work, a majority of the employees are from Jamaica, Trinidad / Tobago, or India / Pakistan.


It's not ethical behaviour.


It is ethical behaviour and perfectly fits the US world order management.

There is a majority of these guys and the management wont disturb the group by sacking people whose speech do not harm the internal stability of the group.

The group is all in the US. Individuality exists only as  membership to a group.

Similarly, white people being racist in the majority white group wont get anything done to them by the management.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:51 | 1423057 Rodent Freikorps
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That is what is known as a lie.

Whites run scared every single day, and have for decades.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 03:12 | 1423683 AnAnonymous
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That is what is known as a lie.

Whites run scared every single day, and have for decades.


What is deemed lies by US citizens is probably by default truth.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:14 | 1422455 AnAnonymous
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Reads like Belgium has still not overcome the loss of Congo...


Another good example of US citizenism. Failure at self perception.

A minority calling this the majority gets fired but a majority calling this a minority doesnt get fired.


Racism is a big part in US citizenism. People with directness and observation skills are suppressed.

This said, this woman was certainly not well fitted for marketing as marketing is all about propaganda and people with a taste for reality and facts are not well fitted for a propaganda job.

She somehow did herself a favour by speaking her mind as she was not able to dissimulate facts.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:52 | 1422484 Sudden Debt
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We have many black people from Congo here. We don't have problems with them, I've never heard of any either.

Almost all of them speak the language and are nice hard working people.

They are very colorful people and are what immigrants should be. They keep their identity and adopted to us.


Our problem is the Muslim problem.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:56 | 1422492 AnAnonymous
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Sure. Congolese are certainly not a problem to Belgian people. The reverse has not been true though.

Hard to understand by the same failed logics written above why Congolese should show any kind of respect to Belgian people.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:38 | 1422524 Sudden Debt
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Many do. But you should dig into that to know why. Not everybody got their hands cut off and not everybody was forced into slavery. That was maybe 10%.

These people want to become us. They want to be like us. And that's why we never had real problems with them.

Sure there are and have been some but you'll have the same things with white people.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:58 | 1422534 AnAnonymous
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These people want to become us. They want to be like us. And that's why we never had real problems with them.


It is not possible. Becoming like somebody demands to act like somebody and this is exactly what they are prevented from.

The situation is simple:

Players from team A play rough. Players from team B does not. If players from team stick to their tricks, A players blame them for not integrating, for not assimilating.

When B players start to play rough to act like A players, A players are totally upset and see in them playing rough a validation about B players' suppossed qualities.

If Muslims in Europe are poorly perceived, that is because they have understood how vain the story of assimilation, of becoming us is.

They perfectly understood the illusion of it. And are in a position to stick together. Probably not the case for the negroes in Congo.

Same for Chinese. They are spared at the moment because China is not to be treated likely. Western powers wont invade China on a whim as they do for a middle east country.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 15:39 | 1422920 Oh regional Indian
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Well SD1, looks like your human side is dim.
You do make some good comments on finance and Silver, but boy, you sound like a racist douche here.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:47 | 1422568 Léonard
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If Congolese hate the Belgian people that much, why are they coming in waves to live in Belgium ? They won their independancy decades ago.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:30 | 1423016 AnAnonymous
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If Congolese hate the Belgian people that much, why are they coming in waves to live in Belgium ? They won their independancy decades ago.


It is nothing about hate or love. It is all about the resources. Human beings have been following the resources for millenia. The migration fluxes match the resources flows.

That is the way it is. And it is something the US world order has not managed to quash, if it has been trying very hard.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:43 | 1422526 Oh regional Indian
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What are you smoking or drinking SD?

You sound like a confused chump on his third scotch on the rocks today.

Racism and how it impacts is a very personal experience. You cannot make broad brush generalizations.

But, since I'm a minority brown guy on this majority white thread, I'll say you guys can only get it intellectually.

In the US, I had the friendliest expeiences in supposedly racist states like Texas and OK and generally deep south places. IF I felt any racism, overt or otherwise it was in the Northeast in General and the libertarian town in th edeep pacific northwest etc.. 

On the other hand, I think we are going to see a wave of reverse racism once white culture/wealth falls into the dung heap. Soon.

Unbelievable hwo much acism and anger is an inch below surface on this board though.

Sad that intelligence and generosity of spirit don't go hand in had much anymore.



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:01 | 1422542 AnAnonymous
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On the other hand, I think we are going to see a wave of reverse racism once white culture/wealth falls into the dung heap. Soon.


This is non  sense.

Racism is part of US citizenism, the white culture that is conquering the world at the moment.

When non white people convert and adopt racism, they adopt US citizenism. There will be no fall of the 'white' culture as the new dominant people adopt it. And a 'reverse' wave will be the sign of the victory of US citizenism. If there is no such wave, there US citizenism will have been defeated, and superceded by another culture. Unlikely to happen.

English spoken by white, black, woman, man, kid is still english. Same will go with US citizenism.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:17 | 1422557 Léonard
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Please, respect the fact that European people are tired of bailing the brown man out and don't want to become a political correct US like melting-pot.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:34 | 1423023 AnAnonymous
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Please, respect the fact that European people are tired of bailing the brown man


Bailing out the brown man? Currently? Actually, the West is living on the back of rich commodity countries through emission of credit, countries that happen to be populated often but not always by dark people.


Stop the victimilogy, the big slob leeching the world is the western world, coercing people elsewhere to accept pixel dust in exchange of real wealth.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 22:14 | 1423416 Rhodin
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This is true, but the profits of it go to a small group.  

The leeches (i like to call them vampires) are not racists, and are happy to suck anyone's blood or wealth, including in their own countries.   I am uncertian if they are entirely human, as the few i have met seem emotionless.  Likely they have been with the west for awhile, (it would help explain the crusades, the inquisition, and witch hunts). 

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 03:14 | 1423684 AnAnonymous
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The leeches (i like to call them vampires) are not racists, and are happy to suck anyone's blood or wealth, including in their own countries.  


That is a great point. Indeed, they are not racist and are even egalitarian in their approach.

And that angers a lot in the US as they want to see themselves protected on the mere matter of race. Because they are white, they want to be saved from blood sucking. A cause why they are so angry at their elite.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:42 | 1422683 Léonard
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On the other hand, I think we are going to see a wave of reverse racism once white culture/wealth falls into the dung heap. Soon.

Unbelievable hwo much acism and anger is an inch below surface on this board though.

Stop your moral lessons, Oh regional Indian.

You're the first one here to express racism by making generalizations about the White people. You make the White men responsible for all the desasters and the mediocrity in the world.

You also seem happy to see a reverse racism and discrimation against white people and I find this pretty disgusting (it's already happening, White and Asiatic people in Europe are robbed and beaten up by Brown and Arabs people to your great satisfaction and the european governments hide it to save the multicultural-everybody-happy-to-live-together-united illusions).

When I read you, I see hypocrity at its highest form. The White man can't judge by the color of the skin but the brown obvioulsy can...

If you wan't to see a brown world, then you better be prepared judging by the lack of contributions of Africa in the sciences, technologies, hygiene, medicine, democraty, justice, peace, women and children rights, etc. Keep in mind that the "racist" White man create all those things...


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:09 | 1422543 Blindweb
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I generally like your comments and Trav's hence why I'm blown away by your utter lack of insight outside economic areas.  

Anyone who doesn't see a very strong corellation between poverty and being a racist makes me lol.  Poor people are ignorant, hence why they end up racists.  Poor people in your sphere happen to have dark skin.  

I won't even get into the history of why that is the case.  It goes way over your head.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 14:50 | 1422833 sumosamurai
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I've had similar issues myself. I remember the time I got a resume and academic transcript from a girl that attended a "black college". She was involved in every organization on  campus that I considered as racist or race baiting. I don't know if she was black or not though she was likely black.

When I took a look at her academic credentials she had essentially repeated every science and mathematics class she took. The first time she failed... the second time it was a C or a D to get by.  I only give jobs to intelligent people with real motivation for success. I could see quickly that when she could not succeed it would be either racism or sexism as the cause. Its too bad her advisors didn't tell her she did not have what it takes as a career in the sciences.

I actually had a black summer intern working for me one year. I was and am still the only person in the company that has ever had a black staff member. At lunch as a group we were discussing racial phenotypes (go to the Smithsonian for those that don't know what I mean).  As usual she jumped into the conversation without knowing what the hell she was talking about to make it a racism arguement. I had simply stated that those of mongloid races usually APPEAR to have a slant to the eyes. Before I could even explain the issue was due to a double fold she started on a racist rant.

The sad part is that she later became a lawyer. I wonder how impartial her thinking actually is. Her dad was from Africa and a professor at the major state university. It bothers the hell out of me that one can not even have an objective discussion on such matters. 


On the other hand, I had a black male assistant once that became my best friend over the years in Texas. He was sharp as a tack and you never heard anything about racist drivel coming from him. In fact he often commented on how it was a crutch for such people to explain thier failures.


As far as the police issue in general, this is what happens when the police are turned into a REVENUE generating force. Making citizens criminals is profitable for the parasites in the justice system.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 02:22 | 1423644 Gromito
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Props for saying it how it is. I'm ethically chinese and have lived in several different countries and this it's pretty much accurate to my experience.

I live in the UK and it's one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Stereotyping is a natural human trait; we couldn't function without it. It's just that most people are too stupid to realise they are stereotyping with a small sample population in their mind.

As George Carlin said, "Think how stupid the average person is and then realise that half of them are stupider than that!"

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 02:22 | 1423647 Gromito
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Props for saying it how it is. I'm ethically chinese and have lived in several different countries and this it's pretty much accurate to my experience.

I live in the UK and it's one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Stereotyping is a natural human trait; we couldn't function without it. It's just that most people are too stupid to realise they are stereotyping with a small sample population in their mind.

As George Carlin said, "Think how stupid the average person is and then realise that half of them are stupider than that!"

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 02:23 | 1423648 Gromito
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Props for saying it how it is. I'm ethically chinese and have lived in several different countries and this it's pretty much accurate to my experience.

I live in the UK and it's one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Stereotyping is a natural human trait; we couldn't function without it. It's just that most people are too stupid to realise they are stereotyping with a small sample population in their mind.

As George Carlin said, "Think how stupid the average person is and then realise that half of them are stupider than that!"

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 02:23 | 1423649 Gromito
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Props for saying it how it is. I'm ethically chinese and have lived in several different countries and this it's pretty much accurate to my experience.

I live in the UK and it's one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Stereotyping is a natural human trait; we couldn't function without it. It's just that most people are too stupid to realise they are stereotyping with a small sample population in their mind.

As George Carlin said, "Think how stupid the average person is and then realise that half of them are stupider than that!"

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:24 | 1422561 lauren
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There is a strong bias towards blond/blue in Chile, but that is prevalent all over south and central america. I knew plenty of upper class girls with tans as dark as Snooki (who actually would be viewed as trash there, for good reason.)  The lower class there is perceived to have low morals and integrity, and the carabineros see themselves as honorable.  To my eyes, there isn't that huge a difference in coloration between the carabineros and generic Chilean.  It's an attitude thing. (it's not Peru, there is a miniscule indian population, the Mapuche; it's mostly a european settled country, so it's not a racism easily identifiable thing.)

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:03 | 1422535 Blindweb
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90% of cops will protect a bad cop.  


If say 5% of the cops on a force are trully bad cops, you have to multiply that by the number of times you come in contact with police in your life time.  That leads to a high probablility that you be fucked by cops; and a small but real possibility that your life will be completely ruined by cops.

This is basic investment math.  Multiply the probability of an outcome by the severity of the outcome.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:11 | 1422550 AnAnonymous
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90% of cops will protect a bad cop.


Yep, they stick together.

Another example of the insanity of the assimilation speech.

Cops in the US world order are condoned for sticking together, for covering criminal elements.

Take  muslims, they have to excuse themselves when a very loosely connected member through Islam perpetuates a crime somewhere in the world.

Or gangs and communauties around. Cops are celebrated by the US communauty at large for hiding their criminal elements while other communauties are extolled to give in their criminal elements.

Assimilation is pure non sense. When people hide their criminal elements, they are acting American. They are assimilated. They display a US citizen behaviour.

Yet they are belittled and not celebrated for acting American.

It can not work.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:34 | 1422671 Urban Redneck
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You do understand that the blue wall exists because police are not well assimilated into the local communities- they are "cops first" or"muslims first" instead of simply Americans.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:40 | 1423032 AnAnonymous
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There is no other blue wall than the other that does exist everywhere in the US.

Police officers are not always brutish and some of them can even be mocked.

Who are they? Coloured officers. Those are suppressed and perfectly aware of the blue wall.

Coloured officers involved in lethal beatings? Absolutely. In beatings of white people, nope. Never a group of black cops will cross the line of beating wantonly a white person to death. They can get involved in murders of dark people, but will be sentenced to death if the guy is white.

Ask coloured officers patrolling the streets if today is going to be the first day black officers are allowed in the full cop behaviour. Always makes them much more lenient.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 11:19 | 1424273 Urban Redneck
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Police don't normally beat people to death- they tend to shoot them, it is much quicker and makes it harder to convict the offending officer in court. 


By the way- if you theory holds water then there should be a great disparity in the statistics between the police homicide rate for black suspects as a percentage of blacks incarcerated for violent crime as and the police homicide rate for white suspects as a percentage of whites incarcerated for violent crime. 

Tue, 07/05/2011 - 17:53 | 1427867 Urban Redneck
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I spoke to some of my black relatives who work in US law enforcement and corrections over the holiday and unfortunately for whitey, none of them are afraid killing whitey (or at least any more than they are of killing blacky).  In fairness, they are all in their 40s or 50s so they were brought up in a much more turbulent period in terms of racial integration, and had the benefit of an education system that that at least isn't as much of an utter failure as the contemporary US system.

I had a lengthy conversation with one who shared his opinion on the primacy of behavioral factors in the decision to use force over physical characteristics, and then ran through the physical characteristics that might be considered- race wasn't even in the top four (or five by his count).  He also pointed out the actual process tends to happen so fast that it is more analogous to trained or instinctive response that the endless analysis and debate that occurs afterwards when things go wrong. 

The one big caveat he threw out in regards to the decision timeframe was when coming upon a scene where a rookie, transferee, or known jackass was the primary responder, since there is extra effort required to cut through the BS.  He actually provided a rational explanation of the risks that camera toting bystanders can create, which I didn't think was possible, and still don't agree with, but at the end the day- it boils down to the fact he really just wants to get back to his wife and kids and enjoy the BBQ, just like everyone else. 

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:15 | 1422548 Léonard
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Oustanding post, Sudden Debt ! Bravo !

Tell it like it is. Europeans are the most torelable people. Yet they are robbed and maltreated by hateful and violent muslims and black Africans in their own countries with the complicity of the EU and the oligarchy.



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 17:02 | 1423067 Rodent Freikorps
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Latest oligarchy rule:

If your population isn't corrupt, lazy and stupid enough to allow the rebirth of the aristocracy, import a new one.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:23 | 1421897 sun tzu
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Here's the full story on your young child-like man:

Grant served two state prison terms for various felonies including a conviction for drug dealing.[41] In 2007, San Leandro police stunned him with a Taser to subdue him after a traffic stop, during which Grant threw his loaded pistol into the air and ran.[11] He was sentenced to 16 months in state prison


He didn't deserve to be shot in the back like that, but he was no child-like man. 

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:54 | 1421946 JW n FL
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he looked young from the little I could see him laying face down.. for the better part of 2 minutes.. before being shot in the back, while hand cuffed, with a PIG kneeling on his neck.. with how many other PIGS standing around with doughnuts stuffed up their fat ignorant asses?


PIGS are like the Pinkerton's of yesteryear.. they are to protect the property of the rich, answer to the insurance companies and thusly can do whatever they want to the shit under their shoe that is "We the People".


I for one am fed up with the bottom feeding scum. They use the Constitution to wipe their shitty asses with! The World will be a better place without the nouveau Pinkertons!

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:53 | 1421948 lilimarlene1
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JW, you are beginning to grow on me. Carry on.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 23:28 | 1422079 JW n FL
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I am a flawed human being.. but I will make the World a better place or die trying!


I believe in God.

I believe in Love.

I believe that I should treat my fellow man that way I would like to be treated.

But I am also a realist, thusly the Golden Rule applies.. He with the Gold.... makes the rules.


All the more reason to cut the cancer out that is the Lobby, Lobby Whores and the AAA Rated (Souless) Corporations that own them both. The Constitution is Not! Dead!!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:26 | 1422460 snowball777
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Aye, there's the rub....get at the root of the corruption first, then we can see some true independent voices in American politics and the healing process can begin.

Shake off your corporate masters America, they cannot pwn you any more than the East India Company could your founding fathers!


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 17:22 | 1423069 Zero Govt
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fine, fine words boys but regards removing the corrupting influence of vested interests and just replacing the rotten politicians with good ones: 'DREAM ON'

why do you continue to entertain any delusional notions that Govt is a 'good thing' in the first place when none of you can give me a single example any Dept of any Govt in any country at any point in history has ever done a 'good thang'???

what are you putting your wishes on, a million to one chance everythng will come up smelling of roses instead of the 99.9999999% chance (overwhelming historical data trail) it'll smell of shit again!

Govt is a monopoly institution. Nothing good, public or private, has ever come out of a monopoly. Period. What don't you understand about monopolies, it's simple to understand why they will never work

Govt is a parasite. It's entire existence is funded by social robbery (taxation). Hands up any of you that agreed to have your incomes robbed by the State? Hands up if you had a single say/influence on this monopoly last time it raised taxes or Duties on you?

Face facts: you have absolutely no fuking control, no input, no say, no policy direction on this faceless parasite of an institution. You'll never get anything out of it because you've got no say in it. That's what monopolies are, hoarding power, denial of your choice.

Govt never in a million years will do anything but piss on you. You've already had 2,000 years of historical golden showers showing you what monopoly authority/power does. Do you like being robbed, pissed on and keep coming back for more? deserve what you'll get then vecause the outcome is certain

Why do you even want to be governed? Any of you ever listened to a politicians advise in your life. Any of you ever called them up for some fatherly advise? So what the fuk do you want then!

You are self-sufficient. You do not need a bankers rent-boy nor do you, or society, need Governing (Nannying). You can govern your own life better than any Ronald McDonald politician ever can and your quality of life will improve vastly without the State robbery of large chunks of your adult earnings. You don't need these scumbags nor their blood sucking sponsors. These creeps need you to keep believing in the biggest lie ever told, that liberal suckers-punch society needs a Govt. Nope, like every Govt lie ever told it's absolutely the opposite of the truth, the Govt (the parasite) needs society (its wealth).

Society needs Govt like a hole in the head. Go play Russian Roulette and dream your delusion for a 'better' Govt. Take the gamble again but take it from me (and history), every chamber is fully loaded, you haven't a bloody chance of a good thing ever coming out of this shit hole of an institution

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:03 | 1423188 sun tzu
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Yeah but the neo-socialists say this time it will be different. They will create that benign totalitarian state and do it right this time.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 00:38 | 1423570 snowball777
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Go suck Reagan's dead dick.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 00:27 | 1423561 Jaciems
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you make ZH'ers look like a bunch of anti-govt nutcases and your rant makes you lose all not a fan government neither as its pretty incompetent here in Canada but ""nothing good has ever come from Govt" and "you have no control whatsoever" 

cmon dont be a moron

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 00:33 | 1423566 snowball777
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There's comfort in fatalism (however histrionic and lame) in that you're suddenly obviated from a responsibility to actually do something useful

Analysis paralysis, but with more whining.


Mon, 07/04/2011 - 09:02 | 1423933 JW n FL
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Prosecuting Acts of Treason would clean up Washington DC and Corporate America but Quick!


Sitting around talking about talking it out.. talking with Washington DC and Corporate America in the last 40 years has born so much fruit that I can understand why people are still excited to open a dialogue! LULZ!!

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 00:31 | 1423565 snowball777
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Try illuminating a viable alternative, if you really want to pique our interest.


Mon, 07/04/2011 - 09:03 | 1423937 JW n FL
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Got Rope?


Treason is Treason is Treason!!!

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 09:26 | 1423977 snowball777
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Given the size of the conspiracy, you might want to start planting more trees to backfill your rope supply. Just sayin'.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 23:28 | 1422086 WeeWilly
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I junked you, JW. Gross overgeneralization. There are thousands of communities across the US who are well served by law enforcement officers who are ethical and respectful. To paint all law enforcement as "bottom feeding scum" is ignorant and illustrates your tunnel vision on the topic.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 23:34 | 1422094 JW n FL
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Corporations Own the Lobby!


The Lobby Owns the Government!


Law Enforcement works for the Duly Elected Lobby Whores!


We the People = Screwed!!/JWnFL


PIGS are like the Pinkerton's of yesteryear.. they are to protect the property of the rich, answer to the insurance companies and thusly can do whatever they want to the shit under their shoe that is "We the People".


I for one am fed up with the bottom feeding scum. They use the Constitution to wipe their shitty asses with! The World will be a better place without the nouveau Pinkertons!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:29 | 1422148 Votewithabullet
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We heard u the first time useless kracker. I shake a cops hand every week. As long as they are shooting useless nigger gangbangers all is "right" mit the world. 

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:00 | 1422465 snowball777
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A smarter man might work towards a world without gangbangers.

You don't want to deny these youths their right to bear arms or have freedom of assembly, do you?

Besides...isn't an "armed society" a "polite society"?

Hmmm...I think I see some holes in your theoretical framework here, skippy.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 23:59 | 1422113 oldman
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Hey WW,

Surely there must some good cops somewhere, but I have never encountered one. This is probably because I have a horrible time with authority figures of any kind.

 I am only very happy, in the context of police violence, that I am not black, red, or brown. The police just do not like these colors.

As much as our writer of this piece likes the police in Chile, I doubt that he would like them if he was an 'indio' in that beautiful fascist state.

I wish it were different.



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:08 | 1422123 JW n FL
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I think that as soon as the Sheep Wake Up! we can make some changes that will be for the betterment of all of mankind!


or...... we can just continue down this same old path as always! becuase no one cares that much!! LULZ!!!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:30 | 1422147 WaterWings
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Nope. I have dealt with some nice, knowledgeable cops.

That is my personal conundrum. There are some "good" ones.

However, that they do not actively out the rotten ones makes them accessories to murder...

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:46 | 1422161 oldman
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Thank you for the amplification----we each have an impression of this from different points of experience.

I am glad to hear of a good experience with the police.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 09:07 | 1423946 JW n FL
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You hang in there oldman we will ALL! need someone like you to reign us ALL! back in after "We the People" Prosecute Washington DC and Corporate America for Treason.


You polite banter is a nice change of pace here, from the likes of me I am sure.. for those with a weaker constitution, you are so much easier to stomach than me.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:49 | 1422164 trav7777
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the black and brown people could help out by not committing so many crimes

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 01:16 | 1422189 chumbawamba
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Maybe Whitey can chill out and stop with the aggressive wars and the epic banking sector over-leveraging implosions.  Every nigger's gotta do his part.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 07:23 | 1422348 Vic Vinegar
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....good guys lose and niggers lose.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 07:27 | 1422350 Vic Vinegar
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FWIW, I'm logging off now.  And I will obey.  Sorry you lose.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 02:39 | 1422226 XenoFrog
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Keep in mind it's a product of their socio-economic status, and not their skin color. Poverty makes criminals of every race.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 04:23 | 1422263 AnAnonymous
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Poverty makes criminals of every race.


Maybe. But wealth makes more criminals out of certain races.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:10 | 1422501 nonclaim
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This is blind ignorance taken to an absurd level.

Well, unless you are discounting certain countries (many) where wealth is so concentrated that only a few financial criminals can really exist, making most people financially "honest" by virtue of misery.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 16:42 | 1423036 AnAnonymous
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Always hypothetical. I talk about the concrete.

The concrete says that wealth makes more criminals out of certain races.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 11:03 | 1424107 nonclaim
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It is late to reply, but no. You are (maybe) speaking of a concrete case and from there making a baseless broad generalization. Do these "races" (not sure how you classify them) start from the same concrete conditions and some are more likely to deviate to crimes? Does the cultural background make a difference? How about "cross-breeding" if you allow me? What if one element of one race is raised in a different one?

There is no certain answer to any of these questions except "it depends"... Yet you are full of yourself and declares "this is so because I say so". It is just ignorance.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 07:27 | 1422351 malikai
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I grew up in poverty, but I am no thug. So I find this argument difficult to agree with. In fact, nothing motivated me more to make something of myself than the poverty I came from.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:00 | 1422435 DaddyO
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Me too...just sayin


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:45 | 1422694 XenoFrog
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The exceptions prove the rule. You are not a thug in spite of your environment.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 14:29 | 1422791 malikai
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I don't really see it that way. I have kept in contact with many of my friends from the old neighborhood. Most of which are not white. I know of just one friend from my teen years who is in prison. And he was from the 'good' part of town. 

It seems to me that the exceptions disprove the rule. Too often, we point our fingers at some social issue and blame ours or other people's problems on them, because it is easy. Having lived through it, I can tell you it is not easy to identify the real problems. Everyone has their own circumstances, their own baggage, their own familial issues, and finally their own view of the world.

If I were to blame anybody for my successes in life, I would pin it on my father and grandfather, for kicking my ass when I needed it and giving me the tools (against my will) to be a man. But I will not apply that rationale to others as I believe it would be quite ignorant of of me towards their own circumstances.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 09:56 | 1422436 snowball777
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Your causality is reversed.

Every race can become criminal in the face of poverty, but it isn't 'a product' of the poverty as much as the failings of human beings at the interface of poverty and the opportunity to subsist through crime. Almost ALL poor people live their lives without resorting to crime...consider whether or not this is true in the Hamptons (for transgressions they've committed at least, if not been convicted).

You might want to also look at how what is 'crime' has changed over time to include some, but not others...especially differential sentencing for similar crimes. As a simple example, consider the prohibition against marijuana...who do you think they were targeting most directly with this adjustment to the law? Compare the relative ratios of people in prison for it and people outside smoking it of different races.

It could be white people just cloak better,...but perhaps there's another reason to apply Occam's razor.


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:11 | 1422447 ATM
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It's not poverty that creates criminals, it's the attitude of entitlement. There are vast swatches of the globe that are extremely poor but have little crime. Not quite what you should expect.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:57 | 1422486 snowball777
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Who feels more "entitled" than bankers, CEOs, and politicians?


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:43 | 1422689 Urban Redneck
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Anyone pursuing a career on the dole probably feels more entitled.  At least bankers, CEOs, and politicians have to raise and spend money to get more money (even if it is not their own money). 

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 07:24 | 1422349 Vic Vinegar
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You never answered my question about iCarly.  Who gives a shit about what you have to say?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:00 | 1422437 snowball777
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Put that vinegar where it can do some good, douche.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:02 | 1422438 snowball777
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the white people could help out by not criminalizing everything black and brown people try to do.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:08 | 1422449 ATM
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Stealing and killing should be OK??

I think a better approach would be to expect that everyone makes his own way and doesn't depend on the work of others for their living. 

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:42 | 1422477 snowball777
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Stealing and killing are exclusive to black and brown people? You need to watch more 'Cops' on Fox...quite the rainbow of shirtless stupid.

I expect everyone make their own way too...including cops pulling a pension off of incarcerating people for such banal offenses as growing and smoking weeds. The desire for this level of fetishistic control over a populace is both futile and prohibitively expensive over the long term.

Why should I pay for this makework again?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:59 | 1422495 AnAnonymous
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Stealing and killing should be OK??


Correction: stealing and killing is OK for some in this US world order. It all depends on who kills and steals.

If you are this, steal and kill then it is OK.

If you are that, steal and kill then it is not OK.

The US world order does not judge people on their actions. It judges people on what they are, their condition, their social status, their skin colour.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:12 | 1423198 sun tzu
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Don't bother with that fucking moron race pimp. Everything in the world is racist to him. He's a online version of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton with the intelligence of Louis Farrakhan.

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 09:29 | 1423983 snowball777
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Such a sad angry. Fierce. Like Ayn Rand's very own poodle!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:27 | 1422467 Sudden Debt
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And what that they try to do and is illegal would you approve of?




That are the illegal things. If you don't like the laws against it, go to Africa or Mexico if you think it would be so great.

I bet you wouldn't last 1 month.



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:55 | 1422483 snowball777
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The example at hand is the prohibition on marijuana which I posit was enacted to target minorities and accounts for a huge chunk of government spending when the enforcement, administrative, and incarceration costs are considered together. Some cities have wised up to how much they're throwing down that hole and are pursuing non-enforcement strategies.

If I want to see violence and murder, I can look out a window. I told you about the dealer down my street who replaced the streetlight with a green bulb (wink, wink) so check on that front. Weapons? The marine next door has a fucking armory and yet both gas stations two blocks away saw murder robberies within two weeks last year.

I have relatives in Mexico City; I'll take that bet. 


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:03 | 1422499 AnAnonymous
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In the US world order, law is used to suppress specific categories of people.

Why do you think US citizens are scared anytime they face an event that would deprive them of writing the law?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:05 | 1422496 AnAnonymous
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And what that they try to do and is illegal would you approve of?


It is especially illegal when they do it.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:27 | 1422566 sun tzu
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You're a fucking moron. Marijuana is illegal in nearly every country in the world, including those run by black and brown people and those countries without any black and brown people

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:36 | 1422667 snowball777
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where was it prohibited first?

who, pray tell, has the most people locked up at present for it?

who spends more than anyone else on keeping things that way?

how many of those countries have enacted those laws in order to get say...IMF loans?

If and when you manage to demonstrate a sign of intelligence, then and only then will I consider your criticism worthy of further thought.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 14:12 | 1422756 Strike Back
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Moreover, even when drug use itself is fairly evenly present in all racial groups, which racial groups end up in jail for drug use at higher rates?  And what is jail but a school for crime?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:10 | 1423192 sun tzu
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Once again, your stupidity reigns supreme. The US first outlawed pot in 1906, when it was a second rate power. Do you really, in that pea sized brain of years, think that all of the powers of europe and Asia decided to mimic US drug laws back then?

How do you manage to string together bullshit after bullshit post? Maybe Japan made marijuana illegal to lock up black and brown people too. Your a fucking genius. I mean you're a fucking retard

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 01:01 | 1423586 snowball777
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LOL, what a fucking idiot you are.

Here's an easy one, as you seem to be slow on the uptake, was it illegal in Japan before or after MacArthur?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:57 | 1422533 Blindweb
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lol.  Apparently you've never heard of Russia.  

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 22:40 | 1423444 WeeWilly
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I hear you Oldman. I'm sure there are many folks out there who share your experience.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 03:45 | 1422246 malek
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You left out the best part. It continued like this (from the back of my head, so might not be precise):

Even with all the video evidence, the prosecutor needed almost 3 months to realize he cannot avoid bringing a charge against the BART police officer (on leave since the incident) who shot Grant.

The trial finally came another year later, in Los Angeles.

The jury convicted him of involuntary manslaughter (the lightest possible charge), which was probably the correct thing to do.

The judge then delayed release of his sentence for another half year, and finally it emerged he convicted him to absolute minimum sentence of 2 years.

Last month he was released on parole after serving 11 months!

Your judicial system at work!!!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:17 | 1423202 sun tzu
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How about Donte Stallworth of the Cleveland Browns who got 29 days in jail for speeding 90mph down a street and killing a man?

How about Leonard Little of the St Louis Rams who got four years probation for killing a mother of two while DWI?


Your judicial system at work

Mon, 07/04/2011 - 02:31 | 1423656 malek
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I would like to first compare the Mersele thingy with cases where someone as a regular citizen in California owning a gun legally has a slight misstep, for example he accidentally fired his gun without hurting anyone and the bullet actually missed anything of importance by a mile. I would make a guess that some of such people were sentenced harder already.

I dont follow sportstars closely, but wasnt there one guy who got 2 years for shooting himself in the foot (literally), and another who got 4 years for cruelty against dogs?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:30 | 1422144 vxpatel
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let me guess your boy scout leader and your priest sodomized you...and you liked it...and now you do it to your kids...did i nail it? you've got father issues coming out of your ears...let it go...



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:26 | 1422145 vxpatel
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let me guess your boy scout leader and your priest sodomized you...and you liked it...and now you do it to your kids...did i nail it? you've got father issues coming out of your ears...let it go...



Sun, 07/03/2011 - 03:02 | 1422241 Rastadamus
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Fucker deserved to die didn't he????


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 03:07 | 1422242 Rastadamus
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Fucker deserved to die didn't he????


Sun, 07/03/2011 - 06:40 | 1422327 Gully Foyle
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Elite Squad (2007)
Tropa de Elite (original title)

In 1997, before the visit of the pope to Rio de Janeiro, Captain Nascimento from BOPE (Special Police Operation Battalion) is assigned to eliminate the risks of the drug dealers in a dangerous slum nearby where the pope intends to be lodged. Captain Nascimento is trying to find a man to replace him because his wife is pregnant and he intends to quit the command and become a trainer of the new recruits. Meanwhile, the two idealistic friends Neto and Matias join the Military Police force expecting to become honest policemen and fight the criminals. However, they see only corruption, lack of competence and stupid bureaucracy in the Military Police, and after a serious incident in the Morro da Babilônia, they decide to join the BOPE. The lives of Capitain Nascimento, Neto and Matias are entwined along the next months, first in the tough training period and then in action against drug dealers...

Elite Squad 2 (2010)
Tropa de Elite 2 - O Inimigo Agora É Outro (original title)

After a bloody invasion of the BOPE in the High-Security Penitentiary Bangu 1 in Rio de Janeiro to control a rebellion of interns, the Lieutenant-Colonel Roberto Nascimento and the second in command Captain André Matias are accused by the Human Right Aids member Diogo Fraga of execution of prisoners. Matias is transferred to the corrupted Military Police and Nascimento is exonerated from the BOPE by the Governor. However, due to the increasing popularity of Nascimento, the Governor invites him to team-up with the intelligence area of the Secretary of Security. Along the years, Fraga, who is married with Nascimento's former wife, is elected State Representative and Nascimento's son Rafael has issues with his biological father. Meanwhile Nascimento and the BOPE expel the drug dealers from several slums but another enemy arises: the militia led by Major Rocha and supported by the Governor, the Secretary of Security and politicians interested in votes...

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 12:14 | 1422553 quintago
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The cops didn't just get that way, society has changed

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:18 | 1421791 JW n FL
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Cops Beat Man For Taking Out A Camera After Witnessing Bogus Traffic Stop

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:10 | 1421877 dark pools of soros
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cops do not even understand stop sign laws..  money grubbing - and some people want to privatize it... yeah that'll end well

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 22:43 | 1422009 Amish Hacker
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Iphone cameras can be scrambled to prevent illegal copying of movies, concerts, etc. The same technology could effectively disable cameras being used to record police abuses.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:22 | 1421792 bob_dabolina
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In America we don't have police officers anymore. They're called revenue generators.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:51 | 1421837 Ray1968
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The revenue generators are the Parking Enforcement officers (formerly known as Meter Maids). That's all the do all day.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:07 | 1421864 bob_dabolina
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Who are the people I find hiding behind trees all day with radar guns? What about when I get ticket for parking too close to a fire hydrant? Who are the people that ticket me if I'm too loud, or smoking where I shouldn't be, or for not wearing my seat belt, etc etc etc. 

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:23 | 1421887 Ray1968
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Parking enforcement in my city will drop a ticket on your windshield whether or not you have an expired meter. Take that to a judge..... you lose every time. PURE FRAUD!

Have a couple outstanding tickets?... they tow your car and will cost you about a grand to get it back. PURE FRAUD!

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:22 | 1421793 Alpha Monkey
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The only place I've ever been where I felt non-threatened by the local police presence was Amsterdam.  It was the last stop on a month long road trip through Europe, and after being in countries like Italy, where the cops walk around with machine guns strapped to them, I found Amsterdam to be a completely different experience.  One where I didn't feel on gaurd when they came passing through.  I watched a woman be arrested... she was peacefully walked off with two police officers escorting her, without the use of handcufs or violence.

Of course, that's also a place where right wingers are assasinated.  Maybe there's something to that?

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:37 | 1421811 psychobilly
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Of course, that's also a place where right wingers are assasinated. Maybe there's something to that?

Just like their collectivist, Left-wing cousins, Right-wingers tend to be worshippers of authority, and that goes double for anyone wearing a government costume... so perhaps you're right. 

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:40 | 1421822 Ident 7777 economy
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by psychobilly on Sat, 07/02/2011 - 20:37 #1421811 

Just like their collectivist, Left-wing cousins, Right-wingers tend to be worshippers of authority,

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Whereas left-wingers tend to BE the authority.


What was the death toll count from LEFT wing regimes in the last century?


It's convenient to forget, but ignoring it is sinister ...



Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:25 | 1421891 Rynak
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See, that's what's wrong with you americans. Always being more busy with stupid camp-games, than with figuring out what would be reasonable, and implementing it. How does that compare to the article? How many camp references did the author need to describe an issue fairly, reasonable and to the point? Zero? How useful, reasonable and to-the-point would the article have been, if the author would have enganged in camp-games?

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 21:32 | 1421910 sun tzu
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Keep lecturing us. You Europeons just just fucking perfect while your cops beat down on Greeks and bomb the hell out of Libya. 

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