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Guest Post: Where The Cops Actually Treat You Like A Human Being…
Submitted by John Cobin of Sovereign Man
Where the cops actually treat you like a human being…
When is the last time you shook a policeman’s hand, appreciative of the good work he had done for you? I live in Chile and I just did so.
In North America, I would never think of doing the same thing. Cops are to be feared there. They are not helpful allies in the fight against crime. A North American is more likely to be victimized by the police rather than helped by them. In Europe, citizens are more likely to be clubbed than supported.
YouTube is full of police abuse in the developed world; it is becoming a common reality of a politically correct society rather than a shocking exception.
These uniformed thugs break down doors and intimidate innocent people. They plant GPS tracking devices on the cars of private citizens. They arrest people for dancing, arrest them for having a “bad attitude,” harrass people for taking photographs, and otherwise go out of their way to threaten what they are charged with protected.
In Chile, things are different. Not only are the cops not corrupt like they are in every other Latin American country, they are actually helpful and efficient. Examples abound.
A couple of years ago I was driving my car in the south of Chile. At a routine stop a carabinero (Chilean cop) found that my car registration had not been paid (about US$40 on my used car). I had no idea. Normally, my car would have been impounded on the spot.
Instead, the policeman told me that he would act like he never saw me but that I had better get the tax paid right away. So he sent me on my way. I was very pleased, and I paid the tax the next day.
I have been lost, too, driving in some remote area of Chile. When all else failed, I proceeded without hesitation to the carabinero station to make my inquiry. Such events have almost always resulted in success.
In other cases I have been cited by the carabineros for traffic infractions. But to their credit, I was guilty as charged. And in some cases I got off with just a warning. The point is that in Chile the cops still treat you like a human being, and they understand that you can make a mistake at times.
They are not itching to leap at an opportunity to flex their muscles or put you in your place. There is not a latent urge in the Chilean cops to have chance to show their might or use force. Plus, as my wife says, if they did become that way, Chileans would likely rise up and lynch them on the spot!
Today, I had to visit the police station to report fraudulent use of my credit card overseas. The bank’s fraud department had spotted the problem and directed me to make a police report, known as a constancia in Chile.
I entered the building and walked into the room where the three carabineros worked to take such reports. I asked one of them to inquire if I was in the right place. He affirmed that I was. So I sat down and waited.
My wait was prolonged when the station’s server went down for 10 minutes. But other than that I was out of there in short order. The carabinero took the information from my credit card, my ID card, and the bank’s fraud department’s findings, and then he entered them into his system. I left with a printout showing a case number.
The cop did his job so well and efficiently that I shook his hand and wished him a good day. He responded in like manner, courteously saying goodbye.
One of the benefits of living in Chile is that society is civil. Cops are not marauding bands of thugs to be fear but rather people who are willing to do what they can to help. How does that reality compare with where you live?
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You reply to an appeal against camping, by appealing to camps. Great job, moron.
"You folks do X, that makes no sense because this and that"
"Huh, yeah, but YOU folks do Y, so that makes it okay"
Can we skip the kindergarden, and go right to the "throwing sand at each other"-phase?
Then maybe instead of attacking Americans you should of stated your argument differently like... That's the problem with Humans.
Actually, no..... the camp-obsession IS uniquely strong in the US, and it has tradition there.
Treating this as a *generic* attack on americans, would only come to the mind of an agitated camper.
I.e., if i would state "See, that's the problem with china.... even under communist rule, you don't use the advantages of communism, but all the disadvantages.... and this way end up like just another centrally planned capitalist economy"..... would that mean, that i generally discount china? And would the mentioned issue of them become "okay", if another country makes a completely different mistake?
However you twist it - anyone who is offended by my above post, suffers from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
You're right Rynak, all human beings to put themselves into groups of A vs B. They don't make broad generalizations about the people they dislike, nor do they put themselves in some form of dichotomy.
You know I can't speak for other people out in the world and yes the Democrat/Republican dichotomy is uniquely American, but it is only so in name and if you believe other wise you would be in denial.
No. The US has a long story of denial since inception. Denial is US citizenism.
US world order.
I don't think the obsession is uniquely strong in America. I think it is uniquely displayed and amplified by the both mass and social media. I think Americans tend to be uniquely rude, and either ignorant or disregarding of the fact that discussions of politics or religion tend to be impolite. The political parties' very survival depends upon creating an impression of distinct dichotomy among the electorate.
Just because the effective differences between the Democrats and Republicans in the US are negligible, and the philosophical differences are inconsistent at best, does not mean that there aren't real ideological divisions among the parties supporters. The world is not populated with billions of closet-nihilists. If there weren't real ideological divisions- then the Green Party and the DuPont Chemical PAC would be pursuing the same political agenda.
However, the intentional misrepresentation of the divisions does seem to be a universal trait of political parties. In Switzerland, the primary political parties are the SP & the SVP (Sozialdemokratische Partei der Schweiz & Schweizerische Volkspartei). One is ostensibly Socialist and one is ostensibly Isolationist. However, during budget negotiations, for all the talk of individual responsibility, the SVP is loathe to cut any of the public fat that its membership feeds on. During elections, the supposedly egalitarian and openly Socialist SP culls candidates from its voting lists with foreign sounding names.
I think the evils of political parties are universal. Polticians and political parties are marketing a product, and are compensated by the electorate in votes. The problem is primarilly a lack of Truth in Advertising by the politicians and lack of awareness or education by the voters. In the US a entire generation of college students with (worthless) poli-sci degrees seems to be largely ignorant of the basic functioning of politics and exercise of power.
However, another part of the problem lies in the very nature of governance in a democracy. In order to rise to power, a candidate or party must sell an idea or vision to the electorate. However, in order to exercise power, the very same candidate or party must compromise the same idea or vision they sold in their rise to power.
The only exception to this is when one ideology or political party gains enough support to render the opposition meaningless, such as happened in the US in 2008,. Then the fact the whatever party is in control- it is first and foremost a whore to its big money backers, and only secondarily interested in even the semblance of adherence to the vision it sold to the electorate becomes glaringly obvious.
+100
Government and the monopoly of the police power are the problems. You cannot rid yourself of one without eliminating the other.
Government =tyranny and Liberty=Anarchy
We have tried the one and done it to death(especially our own), perhaps it is time to give the other a try. Humans can be wonderfully creative once free to express themselves. There are models that are available (the Xeer system being a good template if you replace clans with local communities).
Xeer has its foundations in the both Clans and Dogma. In the US fixed, communities are
heterogeneous and have fluctuating memberships. I think there are some MAJOR hurdles before any such system could even come close to protecting minority rights, the first of which being that even a majority of the population joins and integrates with its local community. How many urban Americans know more about their coworkers lives (outside of work) than they do of their own neighbors?
What heterogeneity?
Fluctuating membership?
In the US, there are political families without it being linked to professionalism. Guys who tell 'yep,I am a conservative, my daddy is a conservative. His daddy was too. And his daddy too" and so on...
Dont know Xeer but US bamboozling the world about Rwanda allowed me to see clear on the topic. It was not fixed communauties, but fluctuating communauties, contrary to what the US claimed it was.
In the US, well, much less fluctuation, people live among their peers, revenue bracket style.
Another failure at self perception.
How many Americans are born, raised, work an entire career, retire, and die in the same town anymore?
I think most US communities are somewhat heterogeneous in terms of race, ethnicity, and religion with certain pockets or communities that choose not to assimilate (whether Amish, Mennonite, Korea-town, or Little Mogadishu/Minneapolis).
I think, however, that when viewed from the persepctive of income or wealth- that US communities are extremely homogeneous. This however, is faciliated by an ever expanding and relatively inexpensive housing market spread out across a huge nation.
On the block where I live in Switzerland I have one neighbor who drives three tractors and one who drives a ferrari. There is a pensioner and a single welfare mom, a machinist and a waitress, and a handful of various white collar types. If you ignore PPP, the poverty line in Switzerland is above the median income in the US, but they guy in Switzerland with a ferrari lives in a smaller place than most of the people I know in the US who I think are more or less at the median income. The cramped locale and chronic housing shortage in Switzerland makes the "dream home" a rarity, as opposed to what is available and not outside one's price range. At the extremes, there are certain neighborhoods where someone with wealth simply isn't going to move in, and no poor person can afford a lakefront flat in a prestigious building for CHF 20,000 per month. But for the large majority in between, which extends from below the poverty line to almost TBTF, neighbors are a function of circumstance and housing availability as opposed to economic parity.
This can be said for dozens, if not one hundred countries. People migrate everywhere from everywhere. Save few countries like NK or stuff.
Actually, it has its' foundation in cooperation rather than coercion. It finds security in the protection of natural rights.
As a template, it shows an alternative to government that works well. It is not perfect, there are crimes and punishments and it is not something that can be transplanted without adjusting for the variances in cultures and history.
However, we have a tendency to focus on our nationality, rather than our humanity. This is our training. The Somalis are no different from you or I. They seek security and dignity in life through their community. These are common human traits.
The point is all governments revert to tyranny. Please cite an exception if you can. Therefore, the government as a social contract is a failure. It only benefits a select miniscule minority. There is no reason to continue using government unless you desire slavery over liberty.
The only major hurdle is the government, as no police state dies willingly. Of course, even after thirty years of the UN's attempt to foist a democratic government on the Somalis, which was then overthrown in 1993 and has not been replaced, and further attempts to institute another- the only result has been the creation of warlords, violence, piracy and new debt from western loans, while the majority of Somalis have reverted back to their Xeer roots.
The Somalis prefer anarchy to government- pretty hard to fault their logic.
I live most of the year in Switzerland, where the government hasn't reverted to tyranny yet/again. However, the social contract is literally changed on a regular basis, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse- whether through direct democracy or the 1291 Hapsburg rebellion, the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia, the 1848 Civil War and Federal Constitution, or the 1999 Federal Constitution. But while the Swiss model works (as well as any government be expected to) in a country the size of Maryland with a population equal to New York City's, I don't think it would scale well to US size.
The difficulty that I have with a model of cooperation rather than coercion is that can lead to tyranny of the majority since there is no inherent protection for someone who doesn't conform with community norms. Whether the non-conformity manifests itself by the apostasy of a Muslim in Minneapolis, or the gay evangelical coming out of the closet in Alabama, or the black who lives next door to an aryan nation compound in the Rocky mountains or the white who moves to Anacostia in DC, or the Puerto Rican who even sets foot in la Pequena Habana. What happens when there goes the neighborhood and Archie Bunker is sitting in judgement?
Yes, but government has already led to tyranny in the United States, so we haven't the luxury of waiting for it to break down our democratic institutions as the Federal Constitution of 1999 has begun.
Of course, you don't have to look across the Atlantic to see the tyranny that has consumed Europe. The socialization of the costs of monetary policies that have created the PIIGS debacle and yield the exquisite remarks from Juncker regarding Greece's new loss of Sovereignty, the theft of Ireland's infrastructure at the hands of politicians dictated to by Herr Rein.
You fool yourself if you think Switzerland is free from a tyranny fomented by bankers in a country of the same bankers. Tyranny is a cancer and Switzerland has a mild flu, but as it continues to consume the western democracies, your time will come.
You think people will war with their neighbors, because of the actions in history that were driven by the same banker Elites that have instituted their debt slavery system here. Americans are not some evil, racist thugs bent on world domination. Actually, I resent the implication. We are a complex sea of emotions and motivations that have their heights in our compassion and charity for neighbor and non-neighbors, and lows exacerbated by a media and political machine for the purpose of pitting us one against the other for their distraction and amusement.
Remove the poisonous, toxic, cancerous actions of the World's Elites, Government and politicians and the monopolistic corporations protected by the police power of the state and we have the potential to be the "shining city on the hill". The motivations of people driven through manipulation, stampeded towards self fullfilling destructive actions are not the result of rascism, sexism, fascism or common excuse. They are result of complex manipulations for the benefit of a treasured few, protected and furthered by the police power of the state.
We have no idea what Americans or any other nationality would be like, with the exceptions of the Somalies (Xeer), the Pennslyvania colony, numerous communities in the "old west", various other tribes in Africa and South America or the American Indian. Would there be violence? Yes. Crime? of course. Fraud? without a doubt, but would it ever rise to the level of criminal theft practiced in western democracies? I think not and it would improve over time as societies adjusted.
As dependence on government was transferred to dependence on oneself and one's responsibilities to their community, people would conduct their affairs differently. They would become more aware, proud of their liberty and anxious to produce goods knowing they would receive a full reward for their labors.
There would remain the costs of civilization, I am not naive, but those costs would be voluntary. They would be more efficient and they would be necessary. Social controls would be defining, but so would the liberty to live where you pleased and with whom you pleased. However, narrow minds would find even narrower markets and this can be the greatest motivation for positive change.
people who fall back on the old, "people will never get along" theory show a real lack of imagination.
Typical US citizenish rationalization.
No, it is an issue with US citizenism, not with humans.
As a sidenote, it explains how the story of non humans has gained so much steam in this US driven world.
It is quite simple:
It is postulated that this behaviour is human.
But human beings do not behave like that for all of them.
Answer: therefore they are non human.
Same from the beginning:
It is postulated that in the US liberty is a human right.
But some human beings are held into slavery.
Answer: therefore they are non human.
It is coercion under raw form. If you do not comply with what US citizens say human nature is (and human nature is in the US citizens mind the way US citizens behave) then you endanger yourself with being treated like a non human being. Better to comply.
It matters much to acknowledge that US citizens are ready to deny very basic observations like human being ness.
Typical Europeon arrogance. You Europeons are more fucked in the head than anyone else in the world. You Europeons lecture others against imperialism and wars, what are you inbred fuckers doing bombing Libya? Then you enslave the Greeks. You assholes are dying out and that's a good thing
Europeans for most of them are US citizen, that is converted to americanism.
So why call on me European status as it is the same as US citizens status in this regard?
Oh yes, rhetorical question because the only rebuttal known to US citizens (people affected with americanism) is camping, gang mindset.
If you understand the gangs, you understand the US. It is US citizenism. It is not possible for US citizens to behave otherwise because it is their nature.
The US citizens nature is eternal.
Coming from an insect brain Europeon, that means nothing.
That coming from Europeon fuckwads who put Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin into power and colonized the whole world and trampled on human rights. You inbred Europeons are a joke
Actually, that would be Greek police beating down Greek protestors. Hey, we got lots of police beatings in America, don't we? As for NATO bombing Libya, The US is providing most of the support and 1/2 of the planes. Though I will tell you, in Poland, if a cop approaches you... learn to say "I'm American" in Polish. It will save you a lot of grief... as long as you are not publicly intoxicated. And even then, you should be fine. Otherwise, they might think you are English.
A little gripe about The Poles... every English speaker is English to them. Even Poles speaking English. I remember on a train talking on the phone and getting dirty looks from this girl. When she saw my passport... man, did she want to talk and get to know me.
PB,
Please, there is no Left in this country-----they all live out of it.
Thanks
Ident 7777 economy
What was the death toll count from LEFT wing regimes in the last century?"
Zero because by definition all government is Right wing fascist to some extent.
Where the fuck do you see a "Left" government? Show me the Anarchist state, maybe Freetown Christiana.Show me the nation that actually repeals laws limiting personal freedom.Show me the country where ALL people are treated equally.
I think maybe you should spend more time understanding just what "left" actually defines in nthe political spectrum before you post again and embarass yourself even more.
You seem to be describing a political spectrum in within the context single left-right axis where anarchism lies at the extreme left. Within the context of a single left-right axis spectrum anarchism would not exist. Even in a biaxial model the placement of anarchism is dependent upon on the DEFINITION of the axis.
You're so fucking stupid your fucking dipshit mother should have drowned you for your own good
In greece, also, the police have been quite civilized for most of at least the modern era. There is very little tolerance anywhere in society, even among most of the machinery of the state, for violence, and the police are quite professional. an interaction from a few years ago which illustrates this, i happened to be in athens meeting a friend. We were going to meet by the entrance to the hospital near the metro station at the ministry of defence. It was a good landmark convenient to us (he worked in the hospital so he'd be coming out of that entrance). Anyway. I got there a bit early, and didn't know _which_ entrance he meant. so, i walked up and down the block a few times over the next 15 minutes waiting for him to show up. Mind you, i'm across the street from the ministry of defence. So after my third or fourth walk back up the block, two guys approach me and ask politely if they could see my ID. I asked them what they wanted with me or my ID, and told them they must be mistaken. They said they're cops and asked why i was hanging around on a stretch of street where there's nothing to stop for, really. they were plainclothes, and i said to them (in greek of course), bullshit, you guys aren't cops. how about i see some badges?
the two laughed, and said, of course, and both of them handed their badges to me to inspect them. Then, i handed them back and gave them my ID. they told me they saw me wandering around and just wanted to know if i was up to no good, and asked why i was wandering around here. The whole time they were polite and weren't assuming i was a dangerous criminal.
In most of the west, just try telling two plainclothes cops 'bullshit, you guys aren't cops!' and see how fast you get tasered, shot, or at the very least beat senseless and of course charged with a half-dozen bogus offenses (resisting arrest, assault, failure to obey, whatever else they can dream up! maybe if your skin is too dark, they plant something on you and throw in a drug charge just to see if they can make it stick)
The only other place i feel the same degree of civility and professionalism from police is switzerland (and there, the system is creepily efficient. cops will knock on your door while making a routine pass through the neighborhood, to let you know that you left your headlights on.)
Most greek police would be more likely to go on strike than to obey orders to crack down senselessly on people. this is, however, changing the last couple of years. A friend who's a greek cop (still working at 56, by the way, so much for claims of retirement at 52 or whatever), was complaining that the past few years they have been putting rookies on the street without training them properly, theyre young and full of the power of their badge and gun and get big attitudes on people, they get cocky and abusive. He saw it as a failure in the training system, but the more things declined he saw that it looks like at least partly a design feature of the system- he lamented that as the older cops like himself retire the force will become an enemy of the people instead of the protector of civil society. so, it's changing fast, but so far, it's still a _lot_ better than most of europe, and in a different universe entirely from the USA.
Anyone seeking status and authority behind a government costume is inherently suspect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPwyodTkYA&feature=related
Video Shows Md. Police Beating Student (for no reason, kid is sucker punched)
Video Shows ...
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You know I love you, but, that only shows what happened after the point "T" in time.
I would love to know what the crowd did in the minutes BEFORE that video, you know, how many rocks, bottles and snowballs (with embedded rocks) were thrown ...
But don't let this slow you down one bit with any 'agenda' you're promoting or ax you're trying to grind ..
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Agenda? Fuck You Pig! Thats not an agenda, and agenda is something Pigs have.. I have truth, I have fact and I do Not! share the Agenda Mind Set that you spinless fucks have. Fuck you and your lil 40 cal. Pussy!
Corporations Own the Lobby!
The Lobby Owns the Government!
Law Enforcement works for the Duly Elected Lobby Whores!
We the People = Screwed!
https://twitter.com/#!/JWnFL
That is NOT! an Agenda! That is Fucking Fact PIGGY!!Junked again, JW. You have no agenda? LMAO To paint 800,000 law enforcement officers with such a broad brush says plenty about your agenda.
You are a Blind Sheep.. given the facts and the detail provided.. you are an example of how stupid can Not! be fixed.
You know absolutely nothing about me JW, my background, education or experience. The fact you dismiss me as a "blind sheep" says a lot about you and your point of view. I feel sorry for you, man. No learning going on for you, you know it all in all situations...
JW is a man who is rightly frustrated. The wheels of establishment power turn on the axles of oppression carried out by narrow minded minions with guns. Ironically, JW would be a useful idiot for the cause of TPTB with his willingness to paint with a broad brush (which requires one to surrender rational thought to dogma).
WeeWilly
I once read a description of concentration camp gurads, some were good/some were bad/and some just doing their job. That reality applies to everybody including police.
But goddamn it for some reason most people think everything must be either "good" or "evil". Like magnetic poles of morality and ethics sucking everybody to one side or the other.
I agree, Fully. I grieve for the death of rational discourse...
Take a midol and calm down.
Look more closely at 0:14....he reaches for his hoody pocket; not smart to do that in front of a cop. It shouldn't be that way, but you can't be ignorant of the way things actually are either. The reaction is out of proportion to the threat and it will be a slamdunk brutality case though.
As we American citizens relinquish our power, a power vacuum is created and rapidly filled. It is not so much that we are being abused, but that we are allowing ourselves to be abused. As long as we hide behind our declaration that we are all just victims and basically helpless, we will be helpless victims. We have created this role for ourselves and now we are successfully playing out that role.
Lights, camera.....action.
You seriously want to associate yourself with this shit?
He is off base but headed in the right direction. The police have been militarized since 9/11. Even local-yokel law enforcement gets SWAT training and DHS gear. Talked to two married cops living next door in Las Vegas... they have been at the job so long that when they look at people, the conversation goes like this, "Yeah, he looks like he is guilty of... (insert crime)." Also love the black Metro cop who only pulls over black people... asked why? His reasoning was that every time he pulled over a white person, 9 times out of 10, they didn't have guns/drugs. Pulling over black people in his estimation found guns/drugs 9 times out of 10. That is harsh.
And Henderson, NV? Even the minority police officers are racist.
True, Vodka. The increasing militarization of law enforcement in the US is of some concern. IMHO it's the failure of law enforcement administration to reign in the younger, piss & vinegar new breed of officers.
um...he finds drugs/guns on blacks 9/10 times. And that is the cop's fault? WTF
You're talking to a diseased liberal. Blacks could never be responsible for any of their behaviour. It is all whities fault.
If you were born into a poor family, and a community that did not value education because the public schools are rotten, no chance to get gainful employment, you might turn to crime as well. The cycle of poverty turns men into criminals. It has nothing to do with skin color.
That doesn't excuse choosing to commit a crime.
Bankers tend to come from wealthier families, have better (or at least more expensive) education and gainful employment, yet they tend to display the same poor judgement of choosing to do what is wrong when surrounded with others who make the same choice.
In both the cycles of poverty and wealth- people can chose to be criminals, in neither case is it justified.
Sure, sure. Not everything is left to choice.
And a well fed person does not face the same choice as a starving person when it comes to stealing food.
I am not aware of an epidemic of starving people stealing food in America.
I am aware of the epidemic violence and property crime, and I regularly witness the epidemic obesity when I travel into town, perhaps they cancelled eliminated SNAP and HUD last week and I missed it.
Some people die of starvation in the US, kids in negro ghettos for example.
You're so fucking ignorant it must be embarassing to be you. Please tell me you're a troll
Ignorance in the US is telling facts now?
It is technically impossible for fillicide to be racist when both parents are of the same racial group. If you have a problem with with negros starving to death in US ghettos - then take it up with the mongrel nigger parents who are killing their own kids. It shouldn't actually take you that long to track them all down since there are only a handful of cases per year.
If you use a excuse after every wrong act you do and believe in it, you should run for president.
You can even pull the race card on every event as long as it's not against a black person because that would be racist.
on Sun, 07/03/2011 - 01:08
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You're talking to a diseased liberal. Blacks could never be responsible for any of their behaviour. It is all whities fault.
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I tell you what! I will foreclose on all the homes that you and your family have.. off to the projects you will go.. the next thing I will do.. is I will buy all the businesses that you and your family work for.. and you ALL are fired.. the next thing I will do is I will wait until all your savings are gone.. and then and only then will we see what lengths that you will go to, too feed your family.
You are narrow minded at the least and out right fucking stupid at the worst.
Maintaining a blind eye to their tilted playing field has become an Olympic sport, but at least they've brainwashed enough poor cons into sheepling up to the booth each cycle to vote against their own interests that it'll never change, right?
He should pull over amish people. No doubt they are carrying contraband unpasteurised milk
Associated with it? If you live in this world you're associated with it. The only question now is how well do you deny it.
Cognitive Dissonance
I think you missed the point somewhat. This type of police activity has always existed. Now we have much better access to information so we enjoy the immediacy of the action.
We the people never had the power to begin with. Despite what illusion we are sold everyday our history is filled with examples of abuse.
Government has always put the little guy in his place while defending the monied and powerful cronies.
Pretty tired of Mr Black's pimping for the Santiago State Tourist Board now. I get the fact America and most of the Western Hemisphere is run by corrupt facist fucks but i've got friends in Chile , and as much as theyre enjoying life , its not a picnic. This representation of Chile as the beacon of the new free libertarian capitalists wet dream is ridiculous.
You can cherry pick any encounter with lawe enforcement and make it out to be better than back home in the US. Its not just Chile that the Police will give you a pass for a while on vechile tax. Police in the UK wont impound your car on the spot for out of date road tax if you have a valid excuse and arent breaking other laws and the UK is anything but a place of liberty. This is all relative. Yes the US is fucked up but trust me , so is just about every other country in the World. Deal with it.
Never mistake relativity for egalitism or subjectivism. And no, appealing to that moron-made-genius Einstein won't help you out here.
I agree with this poster ...less SM ... more reality.
Regards,
Cooter
I posted this a while back but i think it is still effective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOue0Ifo9sk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWMLDpE02-Y&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0X1Acrty6E&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3cT_EoxV4c&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1IxFdln7ZM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.wagist.com/2011/dan-linehan/ ... gun-owners
http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/c ... ord_id=715
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng6mfpZ2kR4&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3kNcGbJUtY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYv6RMbuxfc&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Hj4yM770s&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdp-2FxSHW4&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7RrTeWzgFg&feature=player_embedded
Pick one. They all tell the same story.
http://dogmurders.wordpress.com/
The police on the "Big Island", Hawai'i are pretty nice folks.
Thats becuase the Locals will feed them to the wild boar if they get to outa hand! Small Island, every knows where you live.. Pigs are only mouthy when they think you cant find them.
On Guam they're nice...and corrupt as f**k. The FBI just rolled a bunch up for a human trafficking ring of even less fortunate islanders from further south. Human slavers who will let you off without a speeding ticket...nice folks...
Until you wander into their Pakalolo fields...then it's target practice time.
The police here in NYC are more akin to tattooed thugs, not that there's anything immoral about tattoos ;)
I would never ask a cop for anything nor would I bother calling 911 in case of emergency.
This issue needs to be talked about more, because lately I've had numerous conversations about the state of law enforcement in the U.S. We have so many laws and so many things we want people to not do, that cops are always looking to arrest or cite people. What do we really need them to do afterall? Do we need 20 cops working 6-4am on Thursday through Sunday because college kids are having a good time and need to be stopped? No, in fact it's costing taxpayers money employing them, and private citizens money in court fees and assocaited costs(of which there are many) to fight these ridiculous charges. When you get down to it, we only really need them to maintain a presence on the roadways, keep the peace, and respond to violent crimes or other situations where a cop is needed(I've never called one, or even thought of calling the police in a situation). Our society is a joke, one huge joke.
It's just a business. Politicians, who are mostly lawyers, make thousands of laws. I've read where the average American is breaking several laws every day just going about their lives. Millions of police and regulators are needed to enforce the laws. The citizens are forced to hire lawyers to defend themselves. Thousands of judges and other court officials are needed to try the cases. Thousands of jails and prisons are needed to hold the millions of criminals.
Then they tell us that ignorance of the law is no excuse. The IRS code and regulations alone are 18,000 pages.
My father was a police officer. I remember as a kid the immense respect he had for the people and the respect was reciprocated. He arrested people who broke the law and wrote speeding tickets once in a while. When they had to serve an arrest warrant, it was a real easy thing because he knew almost every house on his beat and would simply knock on the door. No battering rams and assault teams with commando ops.
I think that the North Hollywood Bank of America shootout changed policing in America forever. Police forces don't want to be outgunned anymore so everyone has invested in these commando units. But we don't have huge bank robbery shootouts every day. Can't let all these highly paid assassins sit around and let their MP5s get rusty. So they use them for warrant apprehension, drug interdiction, sting operations.... and little by little our neighborhood peace officer dies in lieu of "civilian" commandos.
Any policy that is geared for preventing *everything* 100% guaranteed, is destined for bloat and inefficiency..... because it's impossible. Basically same argument as with the terrorist bullshit.
Exactly. And another aspect of the problem is that someone has to be "blamed" and somebody has to be "compensated". Being asked by your homeowner insurance company what breed of dog you have is a bridge too far. Sometimes folks just fall down in Walmart; the old value of being a good sport is simply gone.
Plus, what's it with betting everything on preventing it, yet being completely unprepared to deal with it when it happens?
If i'd have to design a policy to prevent something, i'd instead try to:
- hit the sweet spot in addressing causes
- hit the sweet spot in prevention
- hit the sweet spot in dealing with it happening anyways
...where with sweet spot i mean optimum efficiency (best cost/benefit ratio).
But that's probably too logical, non-paranoid and boring.
I'm afraid this cannot work. Government is wholly incapable of doing anything efficiently. Instead, overkill and overspend are the norm.
I'm sorry but logical and nonparanoid is simply impossible. But I think they can work with you on boring.
The Chilean cops sound a lot like the Japanese cops in their koban police boxes: There to help out the community (and get the drunks home safely). What a concept.
I've been arrested 4 times in the United States. On only 1 occasion was I actually in violation of a law. I was drunk for all 4 of them, but it really was a bad attitude, not a violation that I was arrested for.
Police are out to profit in North America. They have stopped doing their jobs. On the sight of any trouble, the bust out their trusty tasers and assault drunk and disorderly citizens. There is no judgment anymore. A white college educated kid in America, like myself, should get some slack when he's drunk. Instead I get police brutality--which they justify because they don't know what you're capable of. Bullshit.
The cops in America today are all ex-war vets who feel the need to beat people up any chance they get. The worst part is that the law is behind them. Its your word vs. theirs in court. Good luck winning in front of a judge without witnesses--who the cops would never ask for affidavits from.
If this wasn't so pathetic it would be funny.
Why don't you avoid public drunkenness next time?
Just pathetic.
Go to Texas... this story is a little bit dated, but accurate...
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/texas-racist-laws-drinking-while...
How is that for insanity? Texas does it bigger... and dumber.
Based on the context of the shit that he types, odds are this creep has a mouth and is even more abusive when drunk.
Karma is a bitch, bitchez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSvD5SM_uI4
Karma is a Bitch!
No, you are a waste of space.
I am amazed you still post here.
We really wish he wouldn't.
Yes, they are.
Yeah, a bad attitude will get you busted in the good old US of A almost every time.
Bad attitude is actually protected speech. As long as you do not threaten the cop.
Working in Vegas for The Thomas & Mack Center... we were State employees. We fucking hated the cops after any event. The cops were causing most of the problems, assaulting people just so they could smash some poor guy's face in... had an employee struck by a drunk and what did the police do after finding the car? Put a card on his windshield asking him to call them... what a bunch of lowlife scum bags. Oh, and always flashing their badges, when not working, to get preferred parking. Their favorite thing to do? Wait outside the gates looking to pull over drunk drivers when not assaulting people on the grounds.
Yeah, LV Metro. Fucking scum bags. Now, NV High Way Patrol... they're cool.
What's wrong with cops laying in wait to nab drunk drivers? Nothing.
It seems that the "average, law-abiding American" has come to define that person who believes that he is entitled to drive home drunk a few times a year, toss cigarrette butts ourt the window like the world is his ashtray, whatever blows out of the truck bed is not litter but god's divine intervention, is entitled to get into a few fights every now and then, drive 10 mph over the speed limit, be the third car in line going through the red light as long as he's attached to the bumper of the car in front, shoot fireworks at all hours in city limits when prohibited, let their pet crap in neighbors' yards every now and then but not making a habit of it, buy a bit 'o pot or heavier fun every now and then but not make a habit of it, throw drunken parties for their need-to-be-popular teens who invite other teens whose parents would not approve, but not make a habit out of it.
Average Americans generate a lot of the need for police but never see themselves as criminals. By the time you have your run-in with a cop, he's dealt with dozens of citizens who, though caught red-handed, have the attitude that they aren't criminals because they're too good to be. No wonder cops have some attitude of their own.
Having said that, police powers should be greatly curtailed.
holy shit, thrax, do you work for the KGB.....er, sorry, "FSB"?? that line of bullshit you're selling - "if you're not guilty of a crime, you have nothing to fear from the security forces" - is straight out of Iron Felicks' playbook. that part at the end where you try & have it both ways WAS cute, though. very lawyerlike. what a hypocrite you are! and yes, i junked your sorry shit.
having said that, you seem to be quite a wonderful fellow.
We're all hypocrites.
You're a really jaded human being. Have you ever noticed how tightly controlling the lawsa re that dictate all of the crap you listed? 10mph over the speed limit? Give me a freaking break! They went through in the late 1980s and set every speed limit as low as the legally could (and sometimes broke the rules themselves in getting this done) just so that every street would be a guranteed speed trap. People not bothering other people was once not a crime at all. It is sad commentary that the US has slipped so far that people like you can't understand that everything you listed is very gray-area crime. Yes, I hate red-light runners, but the only reason we have redlight runners is because we have so damn many redlights, the yellow times are too brief because the speed limits are all wrong.
I hate the cigarette litterbugs, too. Cheeses me off. But I don't think we should arrest people for it. It's our culture that needs to change--things have gotten pretty low class everyplace I look these days.
"It is sad commentary that the US has slipped so far that people like you can't understand that everything you listed is very gray-area crime."
Not in any neighborhood I've ever lived in. The neighbors/citizens see that the laws are made to keep the place clean and friendly. But then each of their infractions is always an exception to their "real persona," even though the time they actually get caught is the 50th time they actually committ the offence.
That, or they're just too smart to conform to "The Man".
No one wants to be counted as one of "Them". Only "They" committ crimes.
"Having said that...blah, blah, blah..."
What?
Then delete everything else you wrote, duh.
There's a difference in writing a citation for litter and doing a warrantless search on the wrong property.
Duh.
Bah.
I didn't see any "need for police" in what you wrote here.
They're supposed to be there for real crimes- not cigarette butts, dog poop and pot. I'm sure glad I'm not your neighbor...
In my town, we have two or three police officers, and they wave at people when they drive through town. They don't bother anyone unless they're called, and somehow the town ends up being more like Mayberry than an inner city.
WTF ever happened to people just minding their own business and leaving others alone?
*edit* Don't know why, but this responded to the wrong poster.
Many people can drive safely, and do many other intricate things while sporting a BAC over the limit. Many of those folks are cops, so they are quite aware of this, but would never admit it. It is one thing to lay in wait and pull over someone driving dangerously, and quite another to grab the patrons as they leave a bar, based on the drink count of your undercover inside. The first is protecting the public, the second is making the numbers.
The judgement most sorely missing in each and every instance was your own; be responsible for yourself...and drink at home if you have a tendency to be a belligerent dumbfuck that attracts the attention of the constabulary.
when i was a child (1950's) we were taught that the policeman was our friend. things have changed ...... for the worse, mind you.
I hear you, I have felt that change too, sadly.
Too many damn lawyers and politicians and not enough common sense. If society enforced it's own "rules" the police would be an afterthought.
Vigilantism is better than a corrupt police force? Try again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlGL0MNrQ68
The writer of this shit doesn't even live in any locale of the United States and yet makes general claims about police behavior in locales across the country. And then I see posters put up single isolated incidents of dubious quality to lend support.
What a bunch of dregs.
To members of law enforement: don't pay attention to these morons.
LEO's are armed SEIU bitches.
Piggy?
Talking common sense and encouraging responsible behavior doesn't make me a policeman.
Regarding those that seek the thrill of adrenaline chasing down 'bad' guys... In my opinion, the smarter and braver join the military. The dumber and more cowardly join the local police department (with a few exceptions).
I've never felt very safe around cops.
...and you never should.
Remember the schoolyard bully from grade school? Ever wonder what happened to them?
Think they give up on wanting power over others? Guess what they grow up to do for work?
Yep.
Give 'em a gun, a club/taser, a shiny doodad, and a spiffy uniform, and the "right" to engage in State sponsored "revenue enforcement". Respect my authority! Classic sociopath behavior, and well documented in the physiological world.
Hence the "us vs them" thin blue line mindset.
JM,
that was nice----I would only change it a tiny bit:
To members of law enforement: CHANGE your behavior, please.
The police around here (central usa) are like people everywhere, ther are some good ones and some a-holz. It is an extremely stressful job at times and most people hate work even if it isn't police work. Most police know damn well they need the support and respect of the public or else their job becomes insanely dangerous. The problem goes back to criminality in high places and I believe most cops are as frustrated about that as we are.
Damn right.
As for the idiots here that get arrested for public drunkenness four times and then bitch about it: I've been drunk in public at clubs, walking, in airplanes. Never been arrested simply because I know when to shut my mouth and behave like a civilized adult.
I have never been drunk in public! I have been drunk in a bar.. but is that Public? or a Bar?
You! are a fucking! slimeball!
admit it you simpleton.. you like laws and control over people! be honest with yourself.. if not me.
I'm cool with laws that protect people, their property and their promises. And if we didn't have even basic laws to regluate traffic, then scores more people would be killed/injured just driving to work.
But that never really occurs to infants like you. Just like a baby you want it your way or no way.
And losers like you wonder why you get the dick in the ass all the time.
and you think the Police are doing a good job of protecting "We the People" then?
If the majority of law enforcement was anything akin fuck-ups like you then I would know this country is gone for good.
such an angry old man.. no worries! I dont want to steal your hard earned money.. I dont want to take away your social security or medicare.. I dont want to see any harm come to you.. I would care for you in your old age as I would hope you would forgive me and care for me if the shoe was on the other foot.
I am not the Government.. I am not the threat that lives and breaths to see your quality of life diminished.
you put your teeth back in and chew on those facts grand pa!
And to think I called you a fuck-up. You are a felch-up.
you are still hard wired into the system.. no worries! the hoards will be along to cut you free soon enough! God Bless!! and Good Luck!!! you are going to need both.
Felch-bag:
When you talk about people's family, they don't forget it.
Being a subservient little bitch about it now doesn't help.
I am sorry JM, sometimes the truth just slips out.. without my thinking about your feelings.. sheep have feelings too and I should be more aware of that. But you and your that you have polluted with ignorance are the problem. It is not just me saying so that makes it so, it is your actions. I am sorry that you are unable to grasp reality in way that is beneficial to others. God knows my life, as well as others would be much easier if that where the case.
God isn't cool with you talking about raping daughters.
If law enforcement puts down slime like you down like a rabid dog, I'm cool with.
Hell, I'll tip 'em.
I really wanted your gene pool removed more than spread.. was I not clear about that already?
You don't want to steal money, or take away social security or medicare, or harm him, but you do want to drive over jews in Florida with a bulldozer. You're a hypocrite who spends one threads joking about how you wish you could commit genocide, and then in another thread, you play the live and let live patriot.
Which is it?
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You don't want to steal money, or take away social security or medicare, or harm him, but you do want to drive over jews in Florida with a bulldozer. You're a hypocrite who spends one threads joking about how you wish you could commit genocide, and then in another thread, you play the live and let live patriot.
Which is it?
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Why would I drive over Jews in Florida? did you watch the video yet? you do realize the Government responsible is located in another Country, right? You do realize it was a Foreign Military Force that Murdered that little girl right?
Now what the FUCK! does that have to do with Florida? keep out of my State and worry aboout your State.. me and mine are fine.
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96kIhJgZBV4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3e7SjoIHvk&NR=1
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There are just as many, if not more, documentaries exposing the gas chamber hoax.
You mention Auschwitz, Even the Auschwitz museum director speaks out against the lie
In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.
http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm
Besides "eye witness" testimony, there is no evidence that gas chambers were ever used to execute prisoners.
Are you implying or suggesting that millions of prisoners were not executed by the Nazi regime in the 1930's and 1940's?
Here is what I am implying.
1. They were death camps in the sense that the people were worked to death. I would suspect the majority died of untreated diseases and malnutrition. I have visited some camps and that is what it looked like to me.
2. The same number of people died in the camps that were not Jews as Jews. Where are the movies, the books, the exposes' of this fact? Where is the movie about the millions of Polish Roman Catholics that died in the camps? Why are the Jews more important than the Roman Catholics or the Roma [Gypsies]? Or the homosexuals, mental defectives, cripples, felons, etc, for that matter? Why do we only get half the story? If a person did not do a dilegent job of research, you would think only Jews were in those camps.
3. An arguement I make all the time - what really happened before and during WWII is horrific enough. Stalin slaughtered millions in the Ukraine, but if you didn't read your history, you would think only Jews were killed. In the USSR, the Jews were running the Gulag. The thousands of Polish Officers killed by the USSR, not important to the Jews. The Slavs were seen as sub-human by the Germans, and treated as such. Not important to the Jews. Why not tell the truth about WWII? Why make up stories and lies and minimize other people's losses, while ignoring the crimes of Jews such as Trotsky [Lev Davidovich Bronshtein] ? Why is it only the Jew who is important? Here is a little history for you:
With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -- as chairman of the Central Executive Committee -- head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky.
Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church.
A thorough-going internationalist, Lenin viewed ethnic or cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own countrymen. "An intelligent Russian," he once remarked, "is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish blood in his veins."
4. There sure were an awful lot of survivors for them to be extermination camps. I saw many Jews with the camp tattoos in Israel in the 1980's, over 35 years after the camps were liberated, and New York was full of survivors. Why so many if they were being slaughtered? The numbers seem to not add up. If they truly were exectution camps, you would expect a few thousand total at best, don't you think? A fairly accurate number I found in a report based on Himmler's statement "around about 200,000 Jewish survivors at the end of the war from all the German concentration camps". This does not count those who were not in the camps, such as the 450,000 Hungarian Jews for example.
I personally have no problem with Jews, I have known them all my life, even lived amoung them in Israel and call many friends. I do have a problem with distorting history, making up lies about history etc.
As I said before, what really happened is horrific enough. No need to make it worse.
You're playing the rachel corrie card? Are you so much an anti-semite that you would bring this terrorist supporter into your conversation?
Sad.
How does a Dead American Girl.. Killed in a Foreign Country.. by a Foreign Army.. who happens to receive immense amounts of aid (or free money) from America.. all the while that Foreign Country, whose army did Murder that little Girl does Lobby MY! Government More!! than ALL the AAA rated Banks in MY! Country!
Why do these Facts make me anything? those facts speak for themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aFNEog9CDI
Netanyahu Got 29 "Bipartisan" Standing Ovations From Congress
Actually, some interesting tests over here have shown, that in some occassions, traffic rules, lights and signs actually INCREASE accidents. It of course depends on the location (i.e. won't work in high traffic areas), but in less traffic-burdened areas with good view, there are statistically less accidents, if (besides of speed limits) you just remove ALL rules..... reason being that if there are signs, lights and stuff, people trust the rules and pay less attention to the actual situation at hand - while if those guidelines are removed, they become more careful and pay attention.
Drive out of Logan airport sometime. Traffic laws exist because not everyone is an angel and you can't make them be such.
Reading.... it's a useful skill sometimes.
A specific counterexample that puts the general idealism in the trashcan negated the need to read further.
Leo?
The general idealism is a product of the subjective viewpoint of the reader. Urban centers house a large percentage of the US population, but comprise a small percentage of the land area. There simply isn't a universal traffic model that is a viable solution for the entire US.
The self-centered urban planners should at least be considerate and egalitarian in pushing their standards upon rural dwellers, and at least bundle their product offerings- include fiber optic internet access, running water and sewer, etc. along with the traffic lights and speed cameras.
Tell me which intersections would be safer without traffic signs. If you want no traffic laws, try driving in Vietnam or Mumbai and tell me if you feel safer there
It's implemented in selected areas where i live (sometimes timed: I.e., lights being disabled during certain times of the day), and there are before/after statistics. The same has been done in many other cities across europe... the stats are consistent: People don't need rules, when they easily have the capacity to deal with situations themselves.... they however need guidance when situations are so busy or hard to estimate (i.e. bad view), that they cannot deal with it themselves.
It is not a matter of "humans are naturally evil/stupid/whatever" nor a matter of "humans are naturally good/smart/whatever".... it simply is a matter of mental capacity. Traffic-rules decrease attention, but if the task at hand is difficult enough, they make situations work, which humans couldn't deal with without help.
This is not an opinion. It has been tested across the continent, with before/after stats, and the numbers are consistent.
P.S.: Oh, and.... this is not about "feeling safer", but about actually "being safer". In the areas where rule-minimalization makes sense, people do NOT feel safer, and precisely because of this behave in a way that makes them safer.
Statist!
Laws don't protect people. That is where your error in logic happens. Laws against everything and anything don't prevent murders, thefts, beatings et al, do they?
A moral citizenry prevents these things. The laws just allow the prosecution of the criminals.
That depends on how long the convicted person is in prison, recitivism rates, new criminals coming into the system...a very complicated differential equation, but the idea is that yes, catching criminals will prevent them from commiting future crimes. YMMV.
Some murders will not be prevented (Joe, where you going with that gun in your hand?...)...some could be alleviated by a better economy because people would be busy making things instead of putting holes in each other...and some could be avoided by getting people prone to beat other people some psych help before they do so.
A moral citizenry is a lovely ideal, but rubber meeting roads requires pragmatic analysis of the situation.
Watch out in Texas...
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/texas-racist-laws-drinking-while...
so much for the handmade vodka! http://titosvodka.com/
the Pigs should be able to do what they want.. shit flows down hill, the insurance companies or mayors friends have issues they have to deal with and the rest of us have to deal with the Pigs after that!
1. I didn't know gay was a race
2. Mother Jones is full of shit trying to make it seem like a racial, anti-gay issue
3. The bullshit stings were performed by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission and they did it to plenty of straight white people too
4. The state put a stop to it once the media exposed the bullshit
1. I didn't know stupid was a lifestyle choice
2. They must have tricked those cops into arresting people with a gotcha question
3. Somehow being an egalitarian corrupt police officer abusing a stupid law doesn't obviate much
4. So that horrible left-wing liberal muckraking rag accomplished positive change in Texas governance?
Technically the bar is private property. So you're not in public. Likely though the bar owner will throw you out of his establishment.
If you don't leave you're trespassing.
If you do leave, the road beyond the bar is public property, owned by the state. Now have public drunkardness.
You get back what you put out. Anyone who is disrespectful of a police officer, even a corrupt on-the-take one, is a fool. I am 70 years old and I can't tell you the number of times I have addressed a police officer in his 30's or 40's as "sir". I haven't had a ticket in 45 years, and I speed and run lights every day of my life. Don't drive drunk though - not because it's stupid but because I don't want to injure/kill anyone because of my incompetence.
They get right to the point in West Africa, just go ahead and dig out a $20 spot...and move along.
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Yen,
Drop some dimes on us w.r.t. currency trading. Some of us do want to hear what you have to say regarding that. You know, before the end of the world and all that bullshit.
The cops in Peru are not your friends. Almost everyone in authority in Peru is dirty, especially prosecutors and similar.
spare us your slanted sales pitch soveriegn man. if the police were so effective in chile and the country is such a shangri-la, why do walled and gated communities abound there? maybe if you bothered to stroll through most suburban neighborhoods in the united states, you would find a majority of houses on tree lined streets, not constructed behind barbed wire laden concrete walls with 24 hour security-- like chile and every other latin american country. the fact that you malign police conduct in the united states, with a population of 300 million, where police are organized locally and therefore literally vary from town to town, is ludicrous.
This one deserves a thumbs-up. Well said