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Guest Post: Where The Cops Actually Treat You Like A Human Being…
Submitted by John Cobin of Sovereign Man
Where the cops actually treat you like a human being…
When is the last time you shook a policeman’s hand, appreciative of the good work he had done for you? I live in Chile and I just did so.
In North America, I would never think of doing the same thing. Cops are to be feared there. They are not helpful allies in the fight against crime. A North American is more likely to be victimized by the police rather than helped by them. In Europe, citizens are more likely to be clubbed than supported.
YouTube is full of police abuse in the developed world; it is becoming a common reality of a politically correct society rather than a shocking exception.
These uniformed thugs break down doors and intimidate innocent people. They plant GPS tracking devices on the cars of private citizens. They arrest people for dancing, arrest them for having a “bad attitude,” harrass people for taking photographs, and otherwise go out of their way to threaten what they are charged with protected.
In Chile, things are different. Not only are the cops not corrupt like they are in every other Latin American country, they are actually helpful and efficient. Examples abound.
A couple of years ago I was driving my car in the south of Chile. At a routine stop a carabinero (Chilean cop) found that my car registration had not been paid (about US$40 on my used car). I had no idea. Normally, my car would have been impounded on the spot.
Instead, the policeman told me that he would act like he never saw me but that I had better get the tax paid right away. So he sent me on my way. I was very pleased, and I paid the tax the next day.
I have been lost, too, driving in some remote area of Chile. When all else failed, I proceeded without hesitation to the carabinero station to make my inquiry. Such events have almost always resulted in success.
In other cases I have been cited by the carabineros for traffic infractions. But to their credit, I was guilty as charged. And in some cases I got off with just a warning. The point is that in Chile the cops still treat you like a human being, and they understand that you can make a mistake at times.
They are not itching to leap at an opportunity to flex their muscles or put you in your place. There is not a latent urge in the Chilean cops to have chance to show their might or use force. Plus, as my wife says, if they did become that way, Chileans would likely rise up and lynch them on the spot!
Today, I had to visit the police station to report fraudulent use of my credit card overseas. The bank’s fraud department had spotted the problem and directed me to make a police report, known as a constancia in Chile.
I entered the building and walked into the room where the three carabineros worked to take such reports. I asked one of them to inquire if I was in the right place. He affirmed that I was. So I sat down and waited.
My wait was prolonged when the station’s server went down for 10 minutes. But other than that I was out of there in short order. The carabinero took the information from my credit card, my ID card, and the bank’s fraud department’s findings, and then he entered them into his system. I left with a printout showing a case number.
The cop did his job so well and efficiently that I shook his hand and wished him a good day. He responded in like manner, courteously saying goodbye.
One of the benefits of living in Chile is that society is civil. Cops are not marauding bands of thugs to be fear but rather people who are willing to do what they can to help. How does that reality compare with where you live?
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this isn't because of the police, dipshit, it's because of the people here.
There are many communities in the USA that ARE just like the 3rd world, because they are inhabited by 3rd worlders who behave in 3rd world ways
Why be so aggressive and angry? Why not tell us what you think about iCarly? I like the show - it's strangely watchable. And Miranda Cosgrove is stunning. Surely you can agree with that.
LOL. Disney, helping turn good girls into sluts since 1984.
I don't know what the 1984 reference is, but otherwise I like it. :-)
Not logging off just yet b/c somebody needs to say something before I become to RobotTrader what Peter was to Jesus.
Ah, I don't even want to challenge people. We already know how this goes...
1984 was the beginning of the Eisner era for Disney. Since then, they have become more and more skanky. It was the Eisner era that brought us the Disney Channel and its associated teen filth shows. It was also the Eisner Era that gave us Britney Spears.
Thanks for explaining. Skanky = worth watching.
Police management can have major impact on the attitude and qualities of local law enforcement, even within a broader community. Where I live when in the US there are two city police departments, a county police department and a sheriff's office (there are also state troopers who operate in the county but based outside it) all for a population of about 90,000. A statistically improbable percentage of the bad apples tend to fall in the same spot even with at least four choices.
All fair points and you appear to be a good guy. Yet the good guys lose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI
I prefer this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5e1oaen-M
Fuck that! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db1s-eV-Bd0&feature=related where's my Guns? lets go!!
because of the people!! effective policing controls crime. were you ever in new york city in the 1980s?
obvious you've never been there, you are factually incorrect
Wow! that really brings it home. There can be no mitigating circumstances here ... you have full video and multiple witnesses. He blatantly murdered a person (read could be you on any other day) who was already subdued (co-operating even) and he got a 1 year sentence?
325,000 views (0.1%) of population (assuming all viewers are American, which is unlikely) This is what SHOULD be on the front page of any decent news paper. Justin Bieber gets 10 x the views in a day .... we are so fucked being surrounded by so many apathetic ignorant people.
At least one of ours egged the little twerp on stage while he was down here (not sure if it was free-range) ... glimmer of hope.
It's been going on a long time, I'm sure we all have stories of cops being pigs either regarding us, or being a witness to.
They're trained to act like thugs. We're the iraqi insurgents or al-qeada to them. Thus they need all the power and military style hardware, protection, and tactics to 'deal with us'.
They can film you all you want, but you can't film them...and while they're at it, they can take your phone addresses down, check what apps you have, and put it in a tin can-ish to prevent any outgoing recording. Even if you're on your own property, and am not the perpetrator, they'll arrest you.
Dancing is a crime, and being choked and having two cops on you after being bodyslammed for dancing is resisting.
Cops are out of control, and they use 2nd set of books crap to justify what they do.
It's been like this for a while. Having cops or campus pd or the like on the air doesn't help either.
So quick to tase, and perhaps kill, because of some subjective bs, let alone all the cases of outright murder.
Everything now is to protect the officer, and not the people's rights who they are alleging committing a crime, or even a 2nd set of rule infraction.
I remember as a kid in the late 80's, without parental permission, they tried to get all of us to give up our fingerprints for a sticker or candy or something at lunch. We'd be doing our patriotic duty. It was so sickening. I just ate my lunch, watched the lemmings give up their fingerprints, and told the cop off as I walked out of the lunchroom. Alas, that was in the 80's, obviously pre 9/11. They've been at this crap for decades.
Or pulling you over because you look young, or hounding you over and over again to get you to slip up and give them a reason to search someone. I have a friend who used to work for the city and once he was a chaperon of a trip up to Bernanke's favorite place, Jackson hole. While passing through Utah, the cops pulled over the chartered bus, and while there, the cop kept hounding him and asking if he thought any of the teenagers had illegal things on them. One can only imagine what that flatfoot fascist would of done if he said yes. My friend later said, this is salt lake, where's the people, it's friday night? The cop said...it's 9pm they're home, with their family, where they SHOULD be.
I've had similar experiences with cops trying to get me to do the same with people walking by because they looked like a 'skater' and thus must have had some sort of contraband on them.
They've profiled for a long time, they used the excuse of illegal immigrants to (try to) legalize it.
We're just revenue for the police department, and the private prisons. The headcases many of them hire have no problem enforcing the 2nd set of books and will gladly get their kicks from enforcing bs unconstitutional laws, policies, and procedures. Sadly, it will only get worse unless the overall bankster mindset changes.
Glass-Steagall is a start in this respect.
Cops are beneath us. That's the way it works. When it's not that way, that's when it DOESN'T work. Guess which way it is now in America? Ask one. They cannot 'comment' because they don't know what the officer was going through = license for cops to do just about anything and their fellow officers can dismiss it as being 'inadmissable'. They have to 'protect' themselves, yada, yada. All excuses to do what they do without needing to be accountable. Give them more military style hardware, training, and we can guess what will happen. They really need an 18 pronged taser (this is a 3 pronged....we know what they're headed for http://www.taserx3.com/ ), or lest a drunk college kid might escape 'justice' for jaywalking instead of being rightly killed because the officer had no choice but to shoot and they shouldn't of put themselves in that situation. Cops are brainwashed, and the sophistry is drilled and trained into them.
We allow it, until we don't. Let's hope that day is soon at hand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWNY0b8Emi0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pFekyu2Y1s&feature=related
lol...i live in central chile and can attest to the truth of this.....so many stories, but heres a good one: I was drunk smoking weed and hit a taxi with my truck on my way to the whore house. I arrogantly yelled at tne taxi driver, told him to fk off and went in for some fun. 30 minutes later i was interupted and had to step outside where i found 8 patrol cars. Haha...in the states ur fucked. here they made me apologize to the taxidriver and pay his damages on the spot...which were like 100 bucks. they laughed and told me to go have fun.... I love this country
I was really hoping for trav7777 to come back with a response to my comment but he could not. So regarding this:
New world order, bitchez. Dare I say it's a good thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVMjvQf9pk&feature=grec_index
That's it, I'm moving to CHILE bitchez's!!
I remember the cops being like that when I was in southern Brazil about twenty years ago. It wasn't quite the same in the bigger cities, but I never felt threatened by them. But in the smaller towns you often saw them armed only with batons, shaking hands with kids as they walked their patrols.
Missing link:Bisphenol = cops(along with others!?~?) get more angry and 'aggro' the less 'manly' they be feeling...it's called compensation or something like that. All those Hungry Man lunches, BBig Whoppers, etc, in the handy takeaway containers have played havoc with the hormonal balance...at this point you've got several hundred thousand gender confused assholes on perma-pause takin out their angst on anybody what gets in their sights...only thing male about them left is the 'meno' part.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032860_BPA_feminization.html
"University of Missouri researchers have evidence that BPA causes male deer mice to lose their masculinity and behave more like females. In fact, female mice sense something isn't quite "right" about BPA exposed males and don't want to mate with them."
Damn eat healthy or else! the FDA will be along any minute to describe you with a healthy food condition and prescribe you lots of poison to fix your disease.
What do they eat?
Check out this mobile phone app that guides healthy food choices.
What are the risks?
hilarious...in a scary kinda way!
meanwhiles...
Feds raid Amish farm for the crime of selling raw milk http://www.naturalnews.com/032859_raw_milk_Amish.html#ixzz1R0tV0jvq "Raw milk became a target of espionage when the FDA held a yearlong sting operation to stop Rainbow Acres Farm from selling raw milk to customers. "It is the FDA's position that raw milk should never be consumed," said Tamara N. Ward, spokeswoman for the FDA.\Pete Kennedy, president of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, said undercover stings are not unheard of. "It happens quite a bit. It's almost like they treat raw milk as crack." ...as your tax $ goes to supplying weaponry to mexicano drug cartels!>? What's next, reeducations camps for social isolationists/pickyeaters -force fed TacoBells?And here I thought cops were just a self-selecting group of aggressive who like to beat wholesale ass.
heh heh, did yu junk dat from the V Hic L or did yu have to go back to station to hit da button>>?
No mo do nuts biggy... Yu cut off. Weight restrictions in effect!
I am just going to loser-camp the bottom of this thread. If any present citizen of the US is taking advice from "Sovereign Man" then ya'll get what you paid for ... mabye if I had a brazillion dollars he might make sense ... I don't ... I have to work for a living, from now til whenever ... I would also cite Richard Maybury's "What Ever Happened to Justice" for those thinking about packing it in and moving out of the US ... common law is the fundamental in the US that has been in decline and any new home should have copious amounts of the same.
This is an author I get tired of seeing on ZH.
Regards,
Cooter
Same handle, different author. The usual one is a guy named Simon Black.
He has already testified on how the Chilean police is better than the US police when it comes to treatment of citizens.
Here's another testimony by another guy.
Different authors though.
Seems like someone has an agenda.
USA - boo. Chile - yay.
Its really incredibly simplistic analysis that they are putting forward too. Very anecdotal. Very partisan. Very selective.
This is afterall , a country that had Pinochet in charge for nearly 20 years.
"In North America, I would never think of doing the same thing. Cops are to be feared there. They are not helpful allies in the fight against crime. A North American is more likely to be victimized by the police rather than helped by them."
BULLSHIT
i have plenty of experience in the US and Chile, the cops in the US are to be avoided at all costs
18,000 IRS laws. Try 60,000 as of about 2000. Milestones
May I respectfully suggest you just go on to the next article, next time you see his moniker? Or is diversity of opinion an issue here?
So Glad to hear how nice the carbineros have become. I remember having machine guns and pistols pointed at me on more than one occasion when I lived in Chile. Sure maybe we were out after curfew but surely these bastions of justice and benevolence, should have known better than to point weapons at 14 and 15 year old kids. I also recall on more than one occasion watching first hand while fun loving, citizen supporting, carbineros beat the injustice out of unarmed protesters and then stuffed them on buses to be taken to who knows where.
I imagine that the author of this article is an upper class Chilean whom is always treated far different than an individual of a lower income bracket. And of course you are treated with kid gloves when you enter the police station in your neighborhood. I am so happy that you can put on your rose tinted shades and forget your not so distant history of awful, and criminal, carbinero behavior.
And of course the carbineros aren’t corrupt just as the junta(carbineros included) and Pinochet were not corrupt, surprise. I just hope the Carbineros don't ever again find it so easy to forget who they serve and again turn on their people. Chile is a wonderful place especially if you are upper curst but it is not the wonderland of civility you make it out to be, nor are the Carbineros Boyscouts. How do you think they would act if they were again called on to break citizen heads? Student riots?
true...if you are poor they treat you different. ive seen that
World has changed since last 25 years. Now poor are treated badly every where.
Gracias, Panchisco
This sounds about right if, you are not being too soft on them---anything recent on police abuse of the Rapanui?
When you are wealthy or politically connected in a relatively poor country (or appear that way) then there is a lower threshold for application of the other set of rules. In some countries (especially where tourism is big business) simply being a foreigner may enough to escape sanction for certain minor offenses for which a local, not of high standing, might be punished.
Of course membership in the club sometimes carries a high price- when there is infighting among the ruling class. If Jamie Dimon were accused of raping a Sofitel maid, he wouldn't be arrested (at least not until the investigation was complete and air tight), the average New Yorker might have been arrested the next day or week, but the NYPD can move heaven and earth in an effort that would never be expended on a proletarian to apprehend DSK before his plane left JFK.
Wars have a funny habbit of developing when the price of human life in the developed world falls to where it is approaching its value in the developing world. This doesn't bode well for anyone except those who derive wealth or power from death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4UuQf3j3XI
Just be glad that you don't drive a porche Cayenne in Russia.
The second car at 2:30 is the actual bank robbers they wanted. First Porche was the wrong one.
Sovereign Man usually promotes the countries where it's impossible/nearly impossible to own a gun. Chile appears to allow ownership, although it requires a lot of red tape cutting. I'm impressed.
yeah but its very easy to buy guns if you really want some.
just like in the states
Confronted at Chilean Airport"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWzDFjBKUw
Black's biases are fairly obvious, as may be his forgiveably 'petit bourgeois' efforts to snare a bit of loose change from those he meets along the way. Those who sneer at this attempt to make one's ends meet without causing harm\robbing thy neighbour are the prototype of the new communo-fascist Amerika, where small enterprise is harrassed, then eliminated(kulaks beware-FDA\DHS comin for ya!) and replaced with the new caste system of system apparatchiks-disenfranchised masses. Raggin on Black is much the same music as played by those who undercut all the reformers who worked to push the Czar in the direction of political and economic liberalization(nb-not to be confused with NEO-liberalism); they were all assassinated by the bankster funded ultra left.
Let a man in peace to earn his own bread, and be content to earn thy own.
As for Chile....the point of providing examples of nonthreatening behaviour on the part of police is not to extol the virtues of any particular country,(all more or less the same now in my opinion), but to provide a much needed reminder of what policing looked like in the days before heavy handed authoritarianism became the rule. In that, if nothing else, Black has succeeded here. Won't be long now before the young uns amongst us don't know anything else but brutality....that what these bastards are aiming for!
The author is not Black.
Black's site. Black's Law(s).
I'm not waiting for the Impeachment of Trikky Dick. Chile better look forward to my arrival.
If you wait for the Impeachment of Trikky Dick you may find yourselves facing a badge with different instructions for our future. NO DIFFERENT than trading.
I have absolutely zero connections to Chile. But...
Do you want to be on the inside and trying to get out? Or on the outside trying to get in? I'd rather watch the world unfold from that place. If Chile has figured out that they are the premium destination for productive Americans looking for a short term haven then God Bless them.
Actions speak louder than words. If Chile can attract US talent then money will follow.
testify!
This is the diaspora brother...the smartest, bestest, most together nation state the world ever seen, is breaking up into small pieces before our eyes, and the ones what still own those attributes need to read the entrails n go, fore the new Leninists have them all snared in the net. Smart, together, values centered people can 'make it' anywhere on this earth, and are a 'value added' export any number of countries are bound to appreciate...
but don't leave it too late. Once the war president puts the boots on the ground on Tripolishores, Merikans goin be tarred with the same brush as their gangster\contractor occupiers! Right now, everybody still looks up to the memory of AMERICA. But that place aint here no more...be smart, get a head start. Currency controls ahead!
BTW, twitchy wit da arsenal, sir, there is no 'last redoubt' against radiation hot particles;
spare me the I'm stayin n fightin gag...please!
Cops in New Zealand are generally very nice, too.
I agree.
Chile....are you fucking kidding me? Chile, where torture has always been official policy?
You are a fucking idiot to portray Chile in the light you are. The police are the terror of the poor in Chile.
Not that we are living in any Utopian society in the USA (although I always ANONYMOUSLY buy the lunch of any cop in uniform when I am dining out), but to portray Chile in the light you are shows you are either a clueless idiot or a shill.
Weird in the US context to bring the case of poors.
Violence on poors has been rationalized in the US since inception.
So why Chile should be treated otherwise?
No, torture has not always been an official policy. Know anything about Chilean history? Can you find it on a map? Chileans didn't have much regard for Americans when I was there, kind of thought we were stupid. Glad to see you're reinforcing this.
pues si, amiga(amigo?), los que saben no saben; pero el trabajo aqui no sea de castigar los gringos,(lo que hace su policia) pero educarles...entonces, algo de la zanahoria antes del palo no?
never ever disrespect them. ONCE upon a time this was the greatest country on earth: pissin on the residue of that legacy is not the best way to celebrate it's significance for those who wish to survive the comin deluge. Wherever yu choose to be!
used space suits for sale. ( Magnetic boots) optional!
I love earth quakes and [LAVA]
Um, just this past Friday I was at red, white, and boom in columbus and had gotten myself somewhat lost with all the road closings. I stopped to ask an officer for directions where he proceeded to get into his own car, pull out his own map, highlight the route I should take on his map, and he then gave me the map.
I have never had a negative experience with law enforcement while living in Ohio and Maryland, in big cities or rural areas.
With the exception of the parasitic evil banking/financial elite, trying to generalize the behavior of all people of one group is futile at best. There are great cops, ok cops, and bad cops in every country on Earth.
As others have stated: I'd like to see the original poster's experience if he were a dark skinned native.
The attitudes of police in the US is a top down problem. It all starts with the Supreme Court. The current court is most likely the least citizen friendly court in US history. As CHS recently said, it makes the Nixon court look liberal. Our current judicial system is structured first to protect corporations, followed by the government then, at the bottom of the crap pile, citizens.
Did you know that in 2010 there was a 34% YoY increase in wire tap approvals from judges. http://tinyurl.com/3lho7n2
How about the 14,000 approvals the FISA court gave the FBI to spy on US citizens. Do they really believe there are 14,000 terrorists living in the US. http://tinyurl.com/3q6ojx3
How about upcoming US v Jones case the Supreme Court just granted cert. Will they actually put an end to warrantless GPS? Dont hold your breath. http://tinyurl.com/4yb4w5o
thanks for bringing it back into perspective. Bought, bullied, bribed political-judicial class. I'll let JW do the rest of the heavy liftin.
Who needs wire tap approval when the NSA or DHS or FBI can simply write a letter and demand a wire tap?
I've been wire tapped (100% sure). I happen to know that every member of the militray, FBI, DHS, NSA, security/spy/military complex is subject to random wire tappings as a matter of routine business.
If they do that to their own, what do you think they'll do to you? The FBI no longer is required to even document that they are using any of their various databases and systems to look up whomever they please whenever they please. Move in next to a member of the military-security-spy complex and they WILL run you through all of their databases. And if they feel like it they'll wiretap your phones, cell, internet connection, etc. Just because they can. Anyone with friends or family in the FBI/DHS/NSA complex is asking for trouble.
Don't think you're "below their radar" either. They have tens of thousands of people collecting huge government pay checks with nothing else to do but spy on you.
Recommend you invest in an overseas VPN or start using TOR, especially if you're stupid enough to think posting on ZeroHedge will go unnoticed by the American police state.
I have posted on this several times as to great south american escape destinations should you desire to leave the usa.
In my book chile is tops for quality, affordability, and safety of expat life.
Uruguay would be next on my list. It has that old colonial feel and is a bit more expensive but still extremely affordable.
If I wanted to go totally cheap, safe, and find a friendly unexploited territory full of hot babes just dying to date an american, even a poir ine, that would be Nicaragua.
The police in smalltown usa are quite friendly and helpful once they know who you are. If you are pulled over, a kind, respectful attitude will go a long way, because if you live in the area you will see them again at the little league field or the waffle house.
Well,, I was driving, rather passing through Oregon state. In a convoy of cars and pulled over by a women cope and give me a speeding ticket for US$473.00. Later I learnt that this town lives on traffic tickets and why I was pulled over, because I had a NY licence plate and no chance of pleading guilty. Flying is cheaper, TSA sucks though.
There are bad apples (and cities) everwhere.
Even in some of the above examples a calm respectful attitude, not respect for the badge, but respect as another human, can go a long way. I will bet that cop hated that part of her job. She didnt go into police work for that.
I have a Dr. friend from nigeria who likes fancy cars. As minorities are somewhat underrepresented in.that town. He got pulled over a lot at first. He never let it bother him and was always friendly. Now that they know who he is he.gets the usual doctor treatment. He coyld be speeding with a broken headlight and a bunch of dead girls in the back and they would not only wave him through but give him an escort.
Here in San Diego the cops are pretty nice. No complaints. Across the border in Tijuana they're pretty nice, too, except that they want cash to be nice.
40+ years of Liberal/international globalization has brought wave upon wave of opinions to real Americans , like those F- heads's of Sovereign Bitch.
I lived in Chile during Pinochet's regime and afterwards. The Carabineros were respectful and helpful. I travelled the country as a poor foreign student, and later lived in Santiago as a professional. I've seen the extremes of socioeconomic class. There was no difference in how I was treated, which was excellent. I've seen them break up a protest in Arica on International Womens Day, 1987, it was more civil than a traffic stop here in Colorado. I've even stayed at the Carabineros station as a guest when the truck we were hitchhiking with left us at the border into Bolivia, in the middle of no where. They were great hosts. They take the honor portion of their job very seriously, they are almost a caricature of everything honorable, and quite frankly, inspiring. And even though I'm no friend of authority, I can honestly say I respect los Carabineros de Chile. And my respect list is pretty damn short.
I can't say the same for police in the United States. Was there a distant past where they were like the police in Chile? I have this vague notion from childhood that it was true a long time ago. That has ended. Something broke in our system and they have become fascists with paramilitary toys that they aren't qualified to use, and are unnecessary in the vast majority of the country. In my calm, quiet little town I've seen several SWAT actions up close on situtations that absolutely did not require it. We've had 4 shootings (kills) by the police on perps that were unarmed and quite frankly did not warrant the action. I've been harassed 3 times now by the local police, the most recent being tailed by them for no reason and having my plate run. I am about the last person on the planet they should be stalking. I find their inability to assess a situation very worrisome. They view all of us as criminals. Their hyper, rabid attitude is reminiscent of East Germany, except better armed. Something is going very, very wrong in the United States.
The police in our town are very respectful and rarely seen.
Perhaps a town of working residents without public housing and gangs has an impact on the disposition of the police?
Lots and lots of gun owners, and almost no crime. And I mean a LOT of gun owners. And no crime to speak of.
Apparently, guns do not commit crimes, but bad people do.
The cops in town get my respect for doing a fine job.
Love firemen in our town. Hate the cops. We're lily white with lots of guns, and the cops act like it's downtown Philly. Not respectful, and in twenty minutes of driving, any time of day, I'll see over 6 cop cars. It's wrong. Very wrong.
I feel the same way about our law enforcement. They do their jobs and I feel safe with them around. If they get heavy-handed with any perps, that's what the job required. We are a mixture of white, black, and Hispanic - as is the police force. America is not a "police state" but it does have an increasing level of paranoia.
Same as my town. Honestly, I feel sorry for the folks who live in these places where the police are evidently jack-booted thugs who just want to kill everyone.
But the interesting thing is- I lived in a rough neighborhood in St. Paul, MN for years, and the police were still fine there as well. It's been the same story anywhere I've lived.
For those who think that "opposing" the police during a field situation right now is the right thing to do, you may want to reconsider that. The best way to handle a cop is to clam up, calm down and go along with it. The last time I checked, we still have the right to trial by jury, and the courtroom is the place to make a stand- where the adrenaline and relatively common sleep deprivation of a cop is taken out of the picture.
This has the added benefit of establishing precedent if you win, and others can use your case to fight their own. I am certainly not advocating laying down, but until the guns come out and you are in a war-like situation, the best thing to do is plead the 5th and lawyer up or represent yourself pro se. If more people would do this, the "second set of books" will get changed accordingly- not immediately, but over time.
Maybe it's like Pinochet never existed.
Well, it's been twenty years. The Carabineros aren't related to what was CNI. But we are at risk of having our own CNI (Homeland Security looks like a candidate.) Stupid Americans with flip stupid remarks, I'm so impressed you even know the name Pinochet.
You want to know the extent of police abuse. You will be shocked.
Injustice Everywhere
The National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids: An Epidemic of "Isolated Incidents"
"If a widespread pattern of [knock-and-announce] violations were shown . . . there would be reason for grave concern."
—Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, in Hudson v. Michigan, June 15, 2006.
An interactive map of botched SWAT and paramilitary police raids, released in conjunction with the Cato policy paper "Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids," by Radley Balko.On a side note, my friend was arrested last weekend for crticizig the sidewalk always being in a state of repair in fornt of a cop. The cop jumped into a conversation between him and his uncle. Told him to run for city hall of stfu. My friend said he just might. The cop said if you say one more sarcatic thing I'm going to arrest. My friend ept walking and did the , Suck a dick hand gesture and got arrested.
It is legal to make a gestures at cops period. Complaining about the city is protrected speech as well. Police are off the hook.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1923125,00.html
The are not even Constitutional Officers so don't expect them to uphold constitutional rights. Police didn't even exist a little more than 120 years ago.
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm
ARE COPS CONSTITUTIONAL?
Seton Hall Constitutional L.J. 2001, 685Roger Roots*
ABSTRACT
Police work is often lionized by jurists and scholars who claim to employ "textualist" and "originalist" methods of constitutional interpretation. Yet professional police were unknown to the United States in 1789, and first appeared in America almost a half-century after the Constitution's ratification. The Framers contemplated law enforcement as the duty of mostly private citizens, along with a few constables and sheriffs who could be called upon when necessary. This article marshals extensive historical and legal evidence to show that modern policing is in many ways inconsistent with the original intent of America's founding documents. The author argues that the growth of modern policing has substantially empowered the state in a way the Framers would regard as abhorrent to their foremost principles.
You are my personal fucking hero! Please post more! and more and even fucking more after that! if everyone posted the facts like you I could shut the fuck up and take a nap!
er, no. maybe it's like America never existed. Sometime shortly after the hit in Dallas things spun wildly out of control. Pinochet was a symptom of the Klepto-corprocracy takeover of the Republic. It's kind of like blaming Oklahoma on Timothy Mcveigh.
Ya: I still remember where I was on 9-11 1973!
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"The point is that in Chile the cops still treat you like a human being, and they understand that you can make a mistake at times."
Two things I like to add. IN super powers, like Russia, USA and china, police is used to control population to the extent that they get scared of government. In USA, police and law is used to control population and collect money.
Police work to maintain the current social order. If that order is peaceful and kind, the police will likely follow suit. If that social order is aggressive, snide, ugly and heirarchical, then the police will be too.
I think one of the key elements is that we have become less friendly, much more heirarchical, less tolerant of dissent and more tolerant of crime by the upper classes in the US. And, the police reflect that.
Corporations Own the Lobby!
The Lobby Owns the Government!
Law Enforcement works for the Duly Elected Lobby Whores!
We the People = Screwed!
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PIGS are like the Pinkerton's of yesteryear.. they are to protect the property of the rich, answer to the insurance companies and thusly can do whatever they want to the shit under their shoe that is "We the People".
I for one am fed up with the bottom feeding scum. They use the Constitution to wipe their shitty asses with! The World will be a better place without the nouveau Pinkertons!
Every "nice" incident or experience with the police in Chile that the author related, I have experience very much the same from various US officers over time. I have also experienced horrible brutality. I guess it is really a matter of who you are and who you are personally dealing with. Thugs are everywhere on the planet. So are good people doing an honest job.
once 'pon a time, policing in small town Merica was encapsulated by the episodes of Dukes of Hazzard...
I would love to tour the Southland
In a travelling minstrel show
Yes I'd love to tour the Southland
In a traveling minstrel show
Yes I'm dying to be a star and make them laugh
Sound just like a record on the phonograph
but:
Those days are gone forever
Over a long time ago, oh yeah
http://www.steelydan.com/lyrpretzel.html
please don't confuse your memories with times present:
http://www.piratenews.org/tortured-by-copsters-in-tn.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZtmBImr03Y
I've no problems in my european country. I like to see cops around. I like them and what happens ? They usually like me. They feel it. Several times they let me go without charging me.
I've already decided to watch America burn from some distant shore. No sense in staying in this authoritarian police state as my liberties are taken away, one at a time. The random highway stops by the TSA VIPR teams is the last straw for me. For now I am ignoring them, but when they do stop me, and they will, I'm triggering my exit strategy from this high tech fascist police state nightmare that has been built up around me these past 10 years.
That is ultimately all we can do, withdraw our consent to be governed from the tyrannical authoritarians that we have running the Anglosphere. And South Amercia does seem to be the only place to run. I'll look into Chile, but I'm open to other suggestions. I've heard good things about Uruguay.
Of course one needs to remember that most of these seemingly free South American nations were under brutal military dictatorships for much of the 20th century...
I know a number of people who hate the police. They are all jerks to begin with and it doesn't surprise me that they claim negative reactions from the police. Most people seem to parrot anything negative they have heard since they are not capable of original thought. Paranoia reigns!
Don't expect that to last long. Didn't some elitist Harvard thug just get elected el presidente recently? I've never seen anything good happen when one of those authoritarian harvard smart asses sets in charge. I hope the chilean people remember how to hang him high and dry when he decides to turn Chile into a copy of the USSA.
I lived in Rio de Janerio for 13 months, and found the same experience with police there. I think the key ingrediant is appearance, police will always be professional dealing with middle aged, white people with foreign accents (I do speak Portuguese). I was distracted doing push ups on the praia calcadao(big beach sidewalk) in Copacabanna, and looked up to see two policeman intercepting a favela looking guy heading right for me.
If you are a young favelista male it's another story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1H8RGgn5RE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPDLGW9gUfQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfVgsah1hw&feature=related
The banks giving money away makes me angry that i have lived within my means for my whole life. I am angry at the people who receive the money that lived irresponsibly, and i am angry at the system that made ithis inevitable. Total garbage. I am afraid anyone getting a handout must be painted with the same brush.
You might be in the wrong territory. The freebie banking post is elsewhere but from your post you probably don't much care for the economic wizardry of Alex Hamilton, do ya?
But you're right about handouts. All the same.
" I am angry at the people who receive the money that lived irresponsibly"
Unfortunately - little remarked on here at ZeroHedge, or most (both) "liberal" and "con-servative" financial blogs - is the POLITICAL POWER bloc _IN SUPPORT OF_ the Fed's DISASTROUS "bailouts" and money-printing policies... and, no, I'm NOT talking about the Big Bankers & mega-rich who toss out the MILLION dollar checks to buy & bribe not just con-gress... but also to BUY ELECTIONS (which is to say "votes"), too!
For even with STOLEN elections and RIGGED vote-counts, TPTP (The Powers That Be) STILL MUST **APPEAL** to a SUBSTANTIAL VOTING BLOCK of several TENS-of-MILLIONS of American voters to get close enough to rig the vote count!
That is to say - ANY Americans who have "money" "invested" IN PAPER - stocks, bonds, both corporate & government (treasuries) - AND in PENSION FUNDS - are far and away MORE RELIABLE VOTERS, than those who don't hold stocks, bonds, or pension funds.
One of my retired neighbor SCOLDED another of my neighbors, a young single mom, for "BEING IRRESPONSIBLE" for purchasing a home at the top of the bubble in 2005, which she had to sell at a huge loss in short sale where her business went down with the economy.
I tried to explain to him, that HIS PENSION FUND(s) had been PROPPED UP by the "bailouts" because he and his fellow PENSIONERS, were HAPPY to ABIDE BY FRAUDULENT fiancial stock valuations (in their retirement fund portfolios) AS LONG AS THEY WERE GROWING - you know, like Bernie Maddoff's ponzi scheme!
BY RIGHTS, single working moms, should NOT HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE _his_ generation's entitled pensions due to HIS GENERATIONS GREED & FRAUD.
(note: I support pensions, think they should be well regulated, secure, and FREE from hostile hedge-fund PUMP & DUMP attacks (see Jim Cramer's "FOMENTING" video), much less "OVER-FUNDED PENSION FUND" HOSTILE LBO takeover raids, but that is part of the same "money makes right" story that the "wealthiest generation ever" recent retirement generation HAS TOLERATED for past 2 decades).
long story short, the VAST MAJORITY of WORKING STIFF Americans, have been EXTORTED, to PUMP UP the LOOTED, GUTTED, SWINDLED-by-Wall St. values (reflecting real wealth) of the financial stocks, **upon which most pension funds are based & valued.**
and THAT is the open-in-plain-view SECRET of the POLITICAL FORCE behind bernanke's, geithner's, blanfein's, dimon's, schapiro's, gensler's (et al) fraud, deceit, & in-your-face corruption -
- it is the PROPAGANDIZED, mis-informed, and also greedy ("we want cheap oil & nuclear energy - TO HELL with the downstream costs!") American middle-class, upper-middle class, and scared working-class Americans HOPING for a full value pension that TOLERATE the BAILOUTS, QE, and GROSS FRAUD coming out of NY, Wall Street, the city-of-London, and "kleptocracy is us" imperial slavery/debt lords in Washington D.C.
but...but....but....that's how corruption begins.
Today the policeman politely turns a blind eye to a stop sign infraction, or let the hot blonde with legs up to her neck go without penalty for reckless driving and tomorrow the Attorneys General of the states and the Attorney Generals like Eric Holder who work for the Central Committee in D.C ignore the financial rape, pillaging, and torture of billions of people by the top 12 banks' employees and their henchmen like Alan Greenspan, and Hank Paulson.
Policemen can still act civil while they hand you a speeding tickie. But handing you the speeding tickie is essential.
"...tomorrow the Attorneys General of the states and... Attorney Generals like Eric Holder who work for the Central Committee in D.C ignore the financial rape, pillaging, and torture of billions of people by the top 12 banks' employees and their henchmen like Alan Greenspan, and Hank Paulson."
don't forget so-called "Democrat" President Barack Obama's RADICAL RIGHT-WING RETHUGLICAN 'economics' team - GARY GENSLER, FULL Goddamn-Sachs PARTNER, overseeing (which is to say, WHITEWASHING and COVERING UP)
...the TRILLIONS of "DERIVATIVES" debt overhang from his squalid perch as Director of the CFTC (ground zero of DERIVATIVES FRAUD)... or "WHITEWASH CRIMES R us" MARY SCHAPIRO, chairwoman at SEC, or REPUBLICAN, and Bush II's nominee for Fed Reserve NY President, little economic death squad leader timmy giethner;
....or Ben "I DROVE THE ECONOMY INTO THE DITCH in 2008 as FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIRMAN... and IDIOT corrupt sell-out puppet president obama GAVE ME A SECOND term as FRC to DO IT AGAIN!"
This is the biggest lie I have ever read.
Europeans, for hundred's of years, have killed each other in the tens of millions over the differences in skin colour and ethnicity. Europeans cannot go more than a few decades without doing this. The last time was in 1995. If you are going to lecture the rest of the world about European superiority, reverting to the European arrogance that so many hear have aptly pointed out to you, you should first try to go a few years without killing each other in yet another genocidal spasm of race hatred.
Only 16 years since the last European genocide and you think you are moral exemplars?
Viva Chile!
Listen you fucking shmuck:
I've had police in my family going back generations. They've assisted little old ladies, children and many other helpless victims. Oh yeah, they have also had to bust down on scumbags who would deprive innocent working men and women of their rights.
Also, some of them never had to draw their weapon in the line of duty-even those working in tough cities. You sound like an internet addicted jerk-off artist, sitting in front of you tube videos.
And your country of choice...Chile?! Are fucking shitting me? Happy April Fools day, dickhead. At least pick Holland, where the cops let hippy freaks smoke weed in public.
By the way, loved your article.
The article's author is right: Chile ranks highest in South America and third highest in the Americas (behind Barbados and Canada) for least corrupt countries in the world. Even ahead of the U.S.A. (7.2 vs. 7.1). I expect that gap to widen as the U.S. slides into default/hyperinflation.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results