• Reggie Middleton
    02/09/2010 - 05:12
    The levered assets of the banks in many Euro-sovereign nations easily outstrip those nations' GDP's. So when the nations' banks get in trouble from bad banking practices (and a very large swath have), the nations themselves are helpless in attempting to truly save the banks (and instead only institute a bait and switch wherein private default risk/insolvency potential is swapped for public manifestations of the same).
  • madhedgefundtrader
    02/09/2010 - 07:22
    The rug may about to be pulled out from under the market. The onslaught of contradictory news coming out of Washington is wearing the market down. An exclusive interview with Andrew Horowitz of The Disciplined Investor.

Guest Post: Why Keep Geithner?

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Submitted by Dylan Ratigan

A year ago it was revealed to the American people that our banking system was a legalized Ponzi scheme in which bank and insurance CEOs paid themselves billions of dollars in personal compensation to lend and insure assets with money they didn't have to customers who couldn't pay back the loans.

In those dark days between the fall of Lehman Brothers and before the presidential election, we were often carried through that time by the small glimmer of hope in that at least we would soon have a new leader who would hopefully fix this mess and punish those responsible.

Yet in the past 9 months, not only has the administration not fixed anything, they have made things much worse for anyone who isn't a Wall Street banker. Therefore, we are past the point where anyone in power still gets the benefit of the doubt and the process of taking back our country for all citizens must begin now.

This is why I think we must ask if U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is still the right person for the job. It has become clear recently that back in his previous role as New York Federal Reserve Governor, he unnecessarily gave billions of dollars of US tax money to banks and insurance companies with few strings attached. And it is now becoming clear that his lack of meaningful action is helping many of these same banks steal more by legalizing their most economically dangerous, socially destructive and self-enriching practices.

Yesterday on NBC's Meet the Press, Secretary Geithner again endorsed House bank reform legislation that would allow, by my calculations, as much as 80%, or $475 trillion, of the bank's $600 trillion in crooked insurance schemes to still be held in secret. It was and is the secret risks held in this very market that led to our collapse in the first place and continue to pose massive future risk to the global economy.

He also continued to employ the bankers' favorite, and most ludicrous, lie : that the taxpayer must somehow continue to pay executives at companies like AIG ungodly sums of money under the threat that if we don't, somehow the taxpayer will never make their money back. Well let me tell you something, the taxpayer and our nation, will never get back the lost wealth taken under these false circumstances and this colossal breach of fiduciary duty. The idea that we must somehow perpetuate this system with our tax money and the future wealth of our children goes against the very American ideal of failure, adaptation and innovation, not to mention of our democracy.

Also last week, the Treasury Secretary endorsed a piece of legislation that instead of stopping a select few companies from profiting from the implicit taxpayer-guarantee of Too Big Too Fail seeks to officially condone it. If the most prized skill in our society economically is a competition to see who can lend and insure the most money without consequences, you have doomed our nation's people to lose everything in the world's largest ever betting parlor; and that is precisely the system this Treasury Secretary -- Tim Geithner -- is seeking to legalize in America today.

However, the smoking gun for Secretary Geithner comes from a recent Bloomberg FOIA disclosure regarding events from last November. It was then that New York Federal Reserve Governor Tim Geithner decided to deliver 100 cents on the dollar, in secret no less, to pay off the counter parties to the world's largest (and still un-investigated) insurance fraud -- AIG. This full payoff with taxpayer dollars was carried out by Geithner after AIG's bank customers, such as Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank and Societe Generale, had already previously agreed to taking as little as 40 cents on the dollar. Even after the GM autoworkers, bondholders and vendors all received a government-enforced haircut on their contracts, he still had the audacity to claim the "sanctity of contracts" in the dealings with these companies like AIG.

None of us were in the rooms when these decisions were made, so I don't pretend to know if Mr. Geithner was the one lone, sane voice of reason fighting against mysterious forces or the primary proponent. However, I fail to see the reasoning for why we continue to rely on those who were in the room when these horrendous decisions took place to be the same people that we choose to deal with their aftermath. There are just certain situations that are not suited for continuity. The best analogy I can think of is that it would be like asking Al Cowlings to spearhead the Nicole Brown Simpson murder investigation under the premise that he knows the layout and the "players" best.

The fact is that there are people who understand all of the intricacies of finance and policy as well as Secretary Geithner, but whose allegiances to the taxpayer are much clearer. People like Elizabeth Warren, Neil Barofsky, Rob Johnson, and Senator Maria Cantwell just to name a few.

To stop the theft from continuing, it requires that the most basic rules of capitalism be applied to our banks and that our future national wealth be safeguarded by the US Government. The current custodian of America's wealth, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, is not doing a good job of either. The time for corrective action is now.

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by dan10400
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:20
#117237

++

by ghostfaceinvestah
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:25
#117243

Agreed, Geithner needs to be replaced immediately.

by Divided States ...
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:27
#117316

Whats the point, Obama will replace Turbo Tim with another tax cheat....because hes got the knack for putting evaders into his circle of trust.

by Ivanovich
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:26
#117245

Great, so how do we get it done?

by Enkidu
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:10
#117293

Yes, yes, yes - but how, how, how? 

by Careless Whisper
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:30
#117247

He is part of the bankstas coup d'etat.

by Bam_Man
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:31
#117248

"Why Keep Geithner?"

Duh....Because the banking oligarchs need to make sure their stooge Obama stays in line?

by Sqworl
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:33
#117254

Future scenario...Geithner joins C as Ceo and sells it to GS...

by beavis
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:32
#117249

Why Keep Geithner?  Maybe because he is the best bullshitter in Obama's entire cabinet?  I've yet to ever seem him answer a straight question with a straight answer.

by Green Sharts
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:39
#117264

If you read the transcript of yesterday's Meet the Press, Geithner ducked a bunch of direct questions, including "Is the banking system safe?"

by taraxias
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:32
#117250

Totally agree, he needs to be replaced, the man is representing Wall St. interests not the Taxpayer.

He won't be however. The same people who appointed him also appointed (YES, appointed) his boss.

Change you can believe in my ass !!!!!!

by thewhigs
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:33
#117253

ghostfaceinvestah: I agree that Geithner needs to be replaced...but given how Congress are either oblivious or are on this farce..just what can we do about it? We need people like Dylan Ratigan in the media to not stop revealing the truth. In fact, I think we need to encourage and support him more.

by janchup
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:35
#117259

It may be that Team O is actually delivering their promised change by intentionally undermining what remains of our financial stability. 

by Missing_Link
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:23
#117508

Exactly.  Not enough people need their socialist "change" yet, so they have the audacity to hope that they can undermine capitalism to motivate us to accept it.

The way things are going, we'll all be begging for "change" soon enough.

by philmink
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:42
#117269

I agree totally and replace Summers with him.

by bugs_
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:43
#117271

Hey!  Maybe he's the cleanest of the potential

candidates!  Who would 0 replace him with?  Would

0 be willing to go through that again (and again)?

No I think he's settled into his one termer screw you

guys mode.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:43
#117272

I just hope Ratigan A) keeps banging the drum B) can keep his job. He has consistently been the lone voice of reason in the MSM.

by waterdog
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:45
#117273

The guy is an admitted federal income tax cheat and a habitual liar.

by Divided States ...
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:44
#117331

Like I said, Timmy's nose has been growing larger and larger as he continues to lie to the American Public on TV, reminds me of the story of Pinnochio...yes, Timmy also has a knack for ducking questions and ducking tax authorities.

by Assetman
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:54
#117278

One can only hope that bad policy will eventually translate into bad outcomes (less than expected economic growth, massive stock market losses, etc.)

I wish the process were to come easier, but the PMs are making it virtually impossible at this point.  Sure, Tim must go... but it probably won't be quietly.

by BobPaulson
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:55
#117280

Corrective action?

Not seeing the pacified masses close to revolution. I can't see change without violence here, and I can't see violence without the proles being pushed quite a bit further.

In the last American Revolution, the masses were a fairly self sufficient, competent farming and working class who could operate devices more lethal than a nail file, with perhaps less fear of death.

A military coup is more likely - with ex-service people in the country playing a role. Without that why would the crooks change anything?

by gridlocked
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:57
#117342

Agreed

by Missing_Link
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:26
#117511

A military coup is more likely - with ex-service people in the country playing a role. Without that why would the crooks change anything?

It can't come soon enough.  Like most Americans, I trust our armed forces a million times more than our federal government.

by Howard_Beale
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:56
#117281

Was this submitted by Dylan directly to ZH or was it a general release? Either way, it is great stuff and I applaud every move he makes to sort through the muck and keep making noise.

by deadhead
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:05
#117287

I don't know the answer for sure Howard but it was on huffpo earlier this a.m.  Though some disagree, I find Huffpo very aggressive towards in its anti wall street/banking/geithner/fed complex. 

Geithner must go.

The only thing is I think he will be replaced with your future put buy guy lol!

by Howard_Beale
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:16
#117301

Time will tell, DH. CRE will possibly make it difficult for the charade to continue anyway, no matter who is TS. Geithner is definitely part of the problem but the coming implosion will be just as severe as the last (IMHO) and it probably won't matter who is at the helm.

by Miles Kendig
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:49
#117319

DH - We'll see.  This goes back to the VP and his Minooka comment, my fluffernutter retort and the potential that there may be something else lurking in the background here. I am still hypothesizing of course.....

Hiya Howard..

by tip e. canoe
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:36
#117379

i remember that retort actually...your fluffernutter fluffed my nutter into thinking you might be onto something.

reading this post right after janjuah's missive brought to mind an image of timmy & bennie as guardians of 2 closets with the initials PM & FS on the door, trying every trick in the book to keep the PS from peeking inside, because they know what's behind both doors -- mountains of skeletons.

i don't think it's any coincidence that the bailout of AIG was structured through the NY Fed.  AIG is a Pandora's Box of secrets, a black box of information.   open that up and all hell breaks loose as the skeletons come alive once again.

of course some of us realize that there are so many skeletons stored inside that it is only a matter of time until the hinges snap and timmy & bennie & the rest of em get buried in a mountain of bones.

so keep banging dylan, et al but don't expect any positive results until the final screws start popping off.

 

 

by Miles Kendig
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 14:52
#117439

Quite apt

by Screwball
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 14:14
#117427

I agree with you DH, the HPost has been very critical of the Wall Street.  I don't go there much, but when they are hammering the pigmen I do.  The first time they had Arianna (however you spell it) on Squawk Box she was on their ass pretty good.  I was really surprised, but I liked it, even though I don't agree with them much other than that.

But of course the creeps at CNBC made jokes about her right after she left and in the days after.  They are more than creeps, they are phucking creeps!

by deadhead
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:18
#117497

I check tons of sources several times a day....huffpo is the best in that they are absolutely the home of the obama worshippers....no question about that and i'l bet rahm and david a check it all day long.

they have been brutal on cheat st and the banks and obama knows it.....

by msjimmied
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 19:01
#117727

I guess that's why I post all relevant articles from ZH at Huffpo. There's a lot of people who get it, and I wanted people to have some semblance of the truth...I've followed Tyler since the March/April timeframe, from Seeking Alpha to Blogspot and now this. Never a dull moment! When Huffpo actually posted an article by ZH on their business section that linked here, I thought my browser was getting screwy on me! It's all good.

by BennyBoy
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:56
#117282

" The time for corrective action is now."

Good luck with your corrective action, aint gonna happen.

Ha, we don't even enforce the Prompt Corrective Action law.

(We being the financial elite/oligarchs/your real boss)

by tradertim
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:00
#117286

People like Elizabeth Warren, Neil Barofsky, Rob Johnson, and Senator Maria Cantwell just to name a few.

and dylan ratigan. :))

woohoo..dylan ratigan for treasury secretary. luv ya dude!!

by lizzy36
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:06
#117289

heck of a job geithner......

 

( DJ ) 11/02 11:54AM *DJ Chrysler Needs $54.8B Mkt Cap For Treasury To Break Even -GAO

( DJ ) 11/02 11:55AM *DJ GM Needs $66.9B Market Cap For Treasury To Break Even -GAO

( DJ ) 11/02 11:55AM *DJ GM Needs $66.9B Market Cap For Treasury To Break Even -GAO

( DJ ) 11/02 11:50AM *DJ Chrysler, GM Will Attract Investor Interest So Treasury Can Sell Its Equity - GAO

by Bam_Man
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:20
#117308

Lizzy, you left out "US Taxpayer Stake in CIT Likely Wiped Out in Bankruptcy"

by Miles Kendig
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:35
#117323

And; "US Taxpayer Stake in Citi Likely to Follow CIT Stake In Resolution".

by deadhead
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:20
#117498

lizzy....coffee up my nose!

i could see bush and brownie in new orleans with that one.

 

very, very funny. you are always able to say so much with few words, which i consider brilliance.  thanks and i always look for your thoughts!

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:08
#117290

With the Turbo Tax scandal of last year and the 150% derivatives bailout of GS/DB/SG and others from AIG, Geithner maybe a great BS'r but he's leaving a trail that the powers of be can't be too happy with. I agree it's time to replace the Kiebler Elf, but with who?

My sources say Jamie Dimon. Dimon is far more ruthless and far more intelligent than Elf. And he has the respect of the finance community.

Will Dylan Ratigan, Tyler Durden, or others be happy with that?

Be careful what you wish for.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:10
#117292

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."

—Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (1957)

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:12
#117296

When the fuck did this guy find religion?

And yes, little little Timmy must go, but we all new that when he threw turbo tax under the bus.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:13
#117298

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."

—Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (1957)

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:15
#117299

Alright Ratigan!! Career suicide though.

Euclid

by GlassHammer
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:18
#117305

Why do I need to trade one ex-GS employee for another? Whats the point?

by hp12c
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:20
#117309

Is the Banking system safe??? HA HA..

Not when the Banks are sitting on 100's of billion dollars of CA$H...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aQokWJUKo2d0&pos=3

 

They are getting ready for Crisis phase 2

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:35
#117325

Does Timothy Geithner have the association to Wall Street as Meyer Lansky had to the Mob?

by Screwball
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:36
#117327

Why stop with Turbo Timmy?  Mary Shapiro, Larry Summers, Ben Bernanke also come to mind.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:39
#117330

Geithner was never the right choice for the American people, but he's one helluva fudgepacker for the administration.

by -273
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:45
#117332

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 12:56
#117341

President Obama fails to go after those responsible for the financial meltdown

And there's another, more pertinent reason: The top federal law enforcement establishment is simply not in the mood. People who expect President Obama's Department of Justice to take the lead will be severely disappointed — not necessarily because the task is difficult, but because the Obama administration is showing it lacks the will.

Instead, the new administration is putting its energy into creating what it believes will be a meltdown-proof new system of elite "too-big-to-fail" banks, regulated by a beefed-up Federal Reserve.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2009-10-29/news/president-obama-fails-to-go-after-those-responsible-for-the-financial-meltdown/1

by snorkeler
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:02
#117346

TG is the tool box lackey of the banking elite.

His appearance on TV yesterday affirms what is widely known.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:02
#117347

Regardless of whether or not he actually wrote that, Ratigan's got guts - I like him.

It amazes me that he is still employed by The Empire (i.e., GE).

-Rick Blaine

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:10
#117353

start writing your con-gress people demanding that they represent the american people, or they'll be voted out!

i'm for turning our congress & house of reps upside down. I'd rather have a rather have a dim wit make mistakes, than the fraud we're paying them peices of**** we've got now!

by Miles Kendig
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:42
#117388

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Too many safe seats.  Congress critters could care less about any; "We will throw the bums out" talk.  Waste of effort fellow citizen.  Better to organize your community and march, demonstrate & petition peaceably.  Remember:

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Gandhi

by tip e. canoe
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:49
#117394

"i'm for turning our congress & house of reps upside down."

if you are really serious about this, you should start thinking of ideas on how to get someone elected in your district for as little money as possible.

don't just change the players, change the game.

you may want to watch this interview with fritz hollings on the $ knot in politics:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07252008/watch3.html

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:40
#117382

[Guest Post: Why Keep Geithner?]

Because he is a sharp dresser?

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 13:41
#117384

[Guest Post: Why Keep Geithner?]
Because he is a sharp dresser?

by ella
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 14:03
#117410

Silly question.  Simple answer.

If Timmie is not there who will protect GS, BAC, JPM, etc.?

by Guy F.
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 14:34
#117455

Fire him, and Summers.

by Prophet of Wise
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 14:41
#117462

Timothy Franz Geitner will go down as one of the most if not the most successful and effective Treasury Secretaries in the sum history of the United States. For not one of the previous seventy-four secretaries has single-handedly delivered such cumulatively fatal blows as the $700 billion Unwind-the-Dollar TARP Plan, the $787 Stimulus Dollar Rape Plan, guaranteed $13 billion government infusion directly to Goldman Sachs, falsified "stress-test, $1.4 trillion deficit, telling our dollar creditors to go "fuck themselves" and that "they need to come to the U.S. to learn how to run and manage a complex modern financial economy," and last-but-my-personal-favorite: singularly leading the charge for eliminating the world dollar reserve currency status and US sovereignty in favor of an IMF special drawing rights (SDR) mixed basket of currencies including the Chinese Yuan.    

An more effective "inside man" for the permanent and irrevocable destruction of the US dollar and our national sovereignty has not been interposed on the apathetic dollar denominated Amerikan masses since Nicolas Biddle.  

by digalert
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:12
#117494

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:29
#117514

Someone should organize a movement where everyone that has an account at a TARP bank closes it on a certain date. I know I'm dreaming but if you could get that to happen on a massive scale it would be satisfying to see.

by narlah
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 17:18
#117617

The whole political system works like that - you make a show, you get two candidates up there. Both paid and laid by you. Then , after the false promise that "The CHANGE" is coming, you actually can control the nation. Total obedience, because actually the good people just don't care. So after 4 years - another show, with 2 more pupets that get enough money to run their campaign from the rich.

So to answer your question "Why we still keep those people up there ..." - well what choice do we have. In this system all we can do is to moan to the moon and sharpen the forks. Someday streets will erupt, the change will not come with logic, it will come when we try every other possibility. Might be tomorrow :)

 

by lizzy36
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 17:28
#117625

further k-y for the us taxpayer.........

( DJ ) 11/02 05:13PM *DJ GM Received $16.4B Deposit In Escrow From US Treasury.

anyone want to guess what percentage of that (if any) gets paid back to the us taxpayer?

With respect to replacing Geithner, my question is why get rid of him?  He is carrying out the wishes of this administration. I believe he doesn't go to the bathroom unless Emanuel and Summers give him the thumbs up. Getting rid of him accomplishes nothing, he just becomes the fall guy for people like Summers, Bernanke, Emanuel and most of all Obama.   

Does anyone doubt that Rahm, Summers and Obama weren't aware of what went on with the NY Fed and AIG last year, at the time Geithner was tapped to become Treasury Secretary?  Seriously?

 

 

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 20:05
#117798

You begin by writing the white house, your senators, and congressman and ask why this man still has his job. I included the bloomberg article. You ask folks like zero hedge and other sites to start petition drives to get signatures so they can be forwarded to the appropriate people.

Instead of just writing on blogs all day you use some of that energy and write people who may perhaps do something.

I of course pray nut case takes matters in his own hands.
This shouldn't come as a surprise. You do not get to be head of the NY FEd without being a crook. the selection process insures it. therefore by being head of NY fed you knew he didn't belong as Treasury Secretary. It really was a great example of the banks getting their lap dog into the highest position.

They would never let an honest person become the head of NY fed. they can't afford to take that chance. The NY fed is absolutely the most corrupt of the organizations. they have no oversight body, they heads are chosen by the banks they are charged with regulating. If someone from the Ny fed suggests something I can almost state with 100% certainty that is is bad for america as a whole

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 00:08
#118021

The country, or at least the administration, thought violence was the only possible answer in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Today, we face a more immediate and real threat from our own leaders. Why is violence not the answer for us?

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:58
#118435

Thank you, Mr. Ratigan!

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