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Guest Post: Will 2012 Be As Critical As 1860?
Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform
Will 2012 Be As Critical As 1860?
“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though
passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The
mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they
will be, by the better angels of our nature.” – Abraham Lincoln
We are approximately five years into The Fourth Turning Crisis.
Every previous Fourth Turning had an economic dimension that eventually
led to a do or die all out war. The mainstream linear thinkers see a
recovery and a return to their concept of normality. They will be
shocked and flabbergasted when they realize that this is only the
beginning of a 20 year period of turmoil, chaos and war. It seems that
some study of history would benefit the mainstream talking media heads
pretending to know what is happening and political hacks in Washington
D.C. who pretend to administer the affairs of state. The cycles of
history are not identical, but the alignment of generations is always
the same. The cycles are consistent because a long human life is always
between 80 and 100 years. The previous Fourth Turnings in U.S. history
were the American Revolution, the Civil War and the Great
Depression/World War II. The descriptions are as follows:
American Revolution (Fourth Turning, 1773-1794)
began when Parliament’s response to the Boston Tea Party ignited a
colonial tinderbox—leading directly to the first Continental Congress,
the battle of Concord, and the Declaration of Independence. The war
climaxed with the colonial triumph at Yorktown (in 1781). Seven years
later, the new “states” ratified a nation-forging Constitution. The
crisis mood eased once President Washington weathered the Jacobins, put
down the Whiskey Rebels, and settled on a final treaty with England.
The Civil War (Fourth Turning, 1860-1865)
began with a presidential election that many southerners interpreted as
an invitation to secede. The attack on Fort Sumter triggered the most
violent conflict ever fought on New World soil. The war reached its
climax in the Emancipation Proclamation and Battle of Gettysburg (in
1863). Two years later, the Confederacy was beaten into bloody
submission and Lincoln was assassinated–a grim end to a crusade many had
hoped would “trample out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are
stored.”
The Great Depression & World War II (Fourth Turning, 1929-1946)
began suddenly with the Black Tuesday stock-market crash. After a
three-year economic free fall, the Great Depression triggered the New
Deal revolution, a vast expansion of government, and hopes for a renewal
of national community. After Pearl Harbor, America planned, mobilized,
and produced for war on a scale that made possible the massive D-Day
invasion (in 1944). Two years later, the crisis mood eased with
America’s surprisingly trouble-free demobilization.
There is a consistent tempo to all Fourth Turnings. An event or
series of events leads to the initial Crisis. As the Fourth Turning
progresses it becomes more intense, chaotic, dire and bloody. It
eventually exhausts itself as a victor is left in control of the
battlefield. Picture George Washington at Yorktown, Ulysses S. Grant at
Appomattox, and Douglass McArthur on the Battleship Missouri. The events
during a Fourth Turning will always be different. The consistent aspect
of all Fourth Turnings is the mood of the country, the same
generational dynamics, and the reactions of the generations to events. Strauss & Howe describe this Crisis period as follows:
“The spirit of America comes once a
saeculum, only through what the ancients called ekpyrosis, nature’s
fiery moment of death and discontinuity. History’s periodic eras of
Crisis combust the old social order and give birth to a new. A Fourth
Turning is a solstice era of maximum darkness, in which the supply of
social order is still falling but the demand for order is now rising.”
The turnings of history are like the seasons. It is impossible to go
directly from Fall to Spring. You must withstand the bitter harshness of
Winter in order to get to the revitalizing warmth of Spring. The
intensity and depth of Winters will vary. Those who prepare for a
potentially harsh Winter in advance will be more likely to survive. The
morphology of Fourth Turnings as described by Strauss & Howe is:
- A Crisis era begins with a catalyst – a startling event (or sequence of events) that produces a sudden shift in mood.
- Once catalyzed, a society achieves regeneracy – a new counterentropy that reunifies and reenergizes civic life.
- The regenerated society propels toward a climax – a crucial moment
that confirms the death of the old order and birth of the new. - The climax culminates in a resolution – a triumphant or tragic
conclusion that separates the winners from losers, resolves the big
public questions, and establishes the new order.
An honest assessment of where we sit in this cycle shows that we are
still in stage one. The housing collapse brought about the near
destruction of the worldwide financial system. The sudden shift in mood
has been borne out by the angry rise of the Tea Party and the startling
result from the recent election. Society is on the verge of stage two.
There has yet to be the reunification and reenergizing of society. It
still feels like things are falling apart. The sun is slowly setting on
this stage and a dark brutal Winter night beckons.
1860 Election – Spark that Ignited an Epic Conflagration
Turnings throughout history have consistently lasted between 15 and
25 years, except one. The Civil War Crisis Turning lasted only 5 years
and seems to not fit the standard definition of a Turning. Strauss & Howe reflected that:
“By the usual pattern of history, the
Civil War Crisis catalyst occurred four or five years ahead of schedule
and its resolution nearly a generation too soon.”
The truth is that instead of a drawn out Crisis over 15 to 20 years
that would have had undulations of pain and suffering, the U.S.
experienced the most savage 5 years in our history, with 620,000
Americans killed and 400,000 wounded. Ten percent of all Northern males
20–45 years of age died, as did 30 percent of all Southern white males
aged 18–40. Strauss and Howe conclude that there are two lessons from
the Civil War Crisis:
- The Fourth Turning morphology admits to acceleration.
- That acceleration can add to the tragedy of the outcome.
The catalyst for the Crisis was the election of Abraham Lincoln as
President of the United States. After the Compromise of 1850, who would
have envisioned the election of an unknown Congressman from an
abolitionist party that didn’t even exist in 1850. Beyond that, could
anyone have predicted the carnage from the bloodiest war in the history
of mankind being the result of that election? Many people do not know
that there were four candidates for President in 1860 and that Lincoln
won the election with only 39.8% of the popular vote. Lincoln won the
Presidency and he wasn’t even on the ballot in Alabama, Arkansas,
Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Tennessee, or
Texas.
The Republican Party realized they had a tremendous opportunity to
win the Presidency as the Democrats were in disarray. Since it was
essential to carry the West, and because Lincoln had a national
reputation from his debates and speeches as the most articulate
moderate, he won the party’s nomination on the third ballot on May 18,
1860. The Republican platform stated that slavery would not be allowed
to spread any further, and it also promised that tariffs protecting
industry would be imposed, a Homestead Act granting free farmland in the
West to settlers, and the funding of a transcontinental railroad. All
of these provisions were highly unpopular in the South.
The Democratic Party split into two factions due to the issue of
slavery. Stephen A. Douglass became the Northern Democrat candidate. He
was a moderate on the slavery issue. John C. Breckinridge was selected
by the Fireaters from the Deep South. Breckinridge supported extending
slavery into territories whose voters did not want it. A fourth party
called the Constitutional Union Party made up of die-hard former
Southern Whigs and Know Nothings who felt they could support neither
the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party was formed. They nominated
John Bell of Tennessee for President. The party platform advocated
compromise to save the Union, with the slogan “the Union as it is, and
the Constitution as it is.”
The voter turnout rate in 1860 was the second-highest on record
(81.2%, second only to 1876, with 81.8%). The voter turnout in 2008 of
56.8% was the highest for a Presidential election since 1968.
Nominee: Abraham Lincoln Nominee: John C. Breckinridge
Party: Republican Party: Southern Democrat
% of Vote: 39.8% % of Vote: 18.1%
Electoral Votes: 180 Electoral Votes: 72
Nominee: John Bell Nominee: Stephen A. Douglass
Party: Constitutional Union Party: Northern Democrat
% of Vote: 12.6% % of Vote: 29.5%
Electoral Votes: 39 Electoral Votes: 12
As the 1850s progressed the firebrands in the North and South became
more entrenched in their dogmatic positions. The Transcendental
Generation Prophets came to power and compromise was no longer an
option. Both Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were from this Prophet
generation. Aging Prophets are always the moralistic drivers of Fourth
Turnings. Strauss & Howe stress the importance of the Prophet Generation during a Fourth Turning:
A Crisis catalyst occurs shortly
after the old Prophet archetype reaches its apex of societal leadership,
when its inclinations are least checked by others. A regeneracy comes
as the Prophet abandons any idea of deferral or retreat and binds the
society to a Crisis course. A climax occurs when the Prophet expends its
last burst of passion, just before descending rapidly from power.
The election of Abraham Lincoln proved to be the catalyst for the
Crisis. Seven southern states seceded from the Union before Lincoln took
office. The attack on Fort Sumter started a spiral of carnage and
butchery that could not be reversed. The Crisis reached regeneracy after
the Union debacle during the First Battle of Bull Run. Lincoln realized
winning this war would require full mobilization and all out war. He
ordered the enlistment of 500,000 soldiers, suspension of habeas corpus,
taxation, and expansion of government power. The next four years were a
swirl of savagery and unprecedented tragedy. It convulsed to a chaotic
conclusion with the surrender at Appomattox and assassination of Lincoln
in the same week. The Crisis exhausted itself with the climax seeming
more like a defeat than a victory.
Are the actions of politicians 150 years ago worth understanding in
order to determine how our current Crisis will develop? Since every
Crisis period has the exact same generational configuration and
generations react to events in similar manner, I believe it is
worthwhile to examine the Civil War dynamics. Historian Gordon Leidner’s
conclusions about the Civil War period are revealing:
- Although the majority of the American people– including many
moderate politicians like Abraham Lincoln–wanted to avoid Civil War and
were content to allow slavery to die a slow, inevitable death, the most
influential political leaders of the day were not. - On the southern side, “fire-eaters” like Robert Rhett and
William Yancey were willing to make war to guarantee the propagation of
their “right” to own slaves. - On the northern side, abolitionists like John Brown and Henry
Ward Beecher of Connecticut were willing to make war in order to put an
immediate end to the institution of slavery. - Southern politicians convinced their majority that the North was
threatening their way of life and their culture. Northern politicians
convinced their majority that the South, if allowed to secede, was
really striking a serious blow at democratic government. In these
arguments, both southern and northern politicians were speaking the
truth–but not “the whole truth.” - It was also about the constitutional argument over whether or
not a state had a right to leave the Union, and–of primary concern to
most southern soldiers–the continuation of antebellum southern culture.
Although the majority of Southerners had little interest in slaves,
slavery was a primary interest of Southern politicians–and consequently
the underlying cause of the South’s desire to seek independence and
state rights.
The insights gained from the Civil War Crisis are that compromise and
moderation are discarded. The firebrands control the field. The
Prophets push for an all out war to settle the pressing issues of the
day. They are willing to sacrifice the young in their moralistic fervor
to satisfy their vision of the future. The final verdict will depend on
the strength, judgment, and wisdom of the Prophet leaders during a
Crisis.
2012 Election – Crisis Leader Sets Stage for Dark Days Ahead
Nomad (Gen X) Prophet (Boomer) Prophet (Boomer)
Prophet (Boomer) Nomad (Gen X) Prophet (Boomer)
Artist (Silent)
By 2012 we will have reached the 7th year of this Crisis. The linear
thinking media and supposed “thought leaders” are convinced that the
worst days of this Crisis have passed. They believe that the Federal
Reserve and Government leaders have taken the proper actions to avert a
Great Depression. They will be shocked when the Crisis deepens and gets
far worse than today. Every action taken by our leaders since 2005 has
worsened the Crisis. Rather than letting the culprits of the financial
crisis fail, they have propped up these criminal institutions with
taxpayer funds. By not accepting the pain early in this Crisis, these
leaders have ensured that this Crisis will be more tragic, brutal and
wrenching. The mood of the country continues to darken, even as the
mainstream media and government cheerleaders falsely insist that things
are getting better.
By year 7 of the American Revolution Crisis, George Washington was on
the verge of defeating the British at Yorktown and bringing that Crisis
to a positive conclusion. The Civil War Crisis had concluded with Union
victory by year 5. The Great Depression/WWII Crisis was in a lull
period, with GDP growing by 13% in 1936 as government spending and
personal consumption surged. The economy gave the appearance of recovery
because FDR’s New Deal programs created make work schemes using
government funds. Americans know the 1930s as the Great Depression. As
proof of how meaningless GDP calculations are versus how real Americans
are affected, the GDP increased by 63% in the four year period between
1934 and 1937. Despite this phenomenal growth, the unemployment rate
remained at 17%. In comparison, GDP has advanced by only 5.1% from the
bottom in the 2nd quarter of 2009 until today and the unemployment rate
on a comparable basis is 23%. Franklin Delano Roosevelt won the 1936
election over Alfred Landon in one of the greatest landslides in
history, with 523 electoral votes to Landon’s 8.
The current Crisis appears to be in a lull similar to the 1930s.
Government actions can mask deeper problems for awhile, but pressure
continue to build. The problems did not go away. The bad debts did not
disappear. The Wall Street criminals are still free to loot the American
middle class. No one has been prosecuted for the greatest financial
fraud in history. The National Debt continues to balloon by $4 billion
per day. The USD is slowly being replaced as the worldwide reserve
currency. Political ideologues have taken control of both parties.
Worldwide trade tensions and social contract broken promises are leading
to riots and chaos across the Europe. The onset of peak cheap oil is
raising prices for fuel and food and setting the stage for coming
resource wars. Fundamentalist religious leaders are pushing for a
religious war between Christianity and Islam. The extremists are gaining
control of the agenda.
The sudden shift in mood has occurred. The hard working middle class
of this country are frustrated, angry and feel betrayed by their
leaders. The American people are fed up with all politicians. The
liberal ideologues and conservative ideologues have staked out immovable
positions on social, financial, and foreign trade issues. Compromise is
as likely as it was in 1860. The Tea Party will not compromise. Their
agenda is to change politics in Washington DC. They will be a thorn in
both party’s side. The possibility of the Tea Party becoming a 3rd party
is quite possible. This brings us to the 2012 Presidential election.
The current configuration of Congress guarantees that absolutely nothing
will get done in the next two years. Both parties will ignore the
looming disaster of debt, devaluation, and depression as they position
themselves for the 2012 election. The Crisis has not yet entered the
regeneracy stage. This is the stage where the country unifies behind a
leader and deals with the sudden threats that previously have been
ignored or deferred, but which are now perceived as dire. The likely
threats are the National Debt, a currency collapse, the Christian/Muslim
conflict, Peak Oil, the rise of China, or more likely a combination of
some of these issues.
Strauss & Howe‘s words regarding the approaching Crisis, written in 1997, are eerie and haunting:
“In retrospect, the spark might seem
as ominous as a financial crash, as ordinary as a national election, or
as trivial as a Tea Party. The catalyst will unfold according to a basic
Crisis dynamic that underlies all of these scenarios: An initial spark
will trigger a chain reaction of unyielding responses and further
emergencies. The core elements of these scenarios (debt, civic decay,
global disorder) will matter more than the details, which the catalyst
will juxtapose and connect in some unknowable way. If foreign societies
are also entering a Fourth Turning, this could accelerate the chain
reaction. At home and abroad, these events will reflect the tearing of
the civic fabric at points of extreme vulnerability – problem areas
where America will have neglected, denied, or delayed needed action.”
As I try to assess the next phase of this Crisis, I have been seeking
guidance from previous Fourth Turnings. At this juncture, the Crisis
seems to have aspects of the Great Depression/World War II and Civil War
Fourth Turnings. A financial crisis morphed into recession, much like
the 1929 Crash and subsequent recession. Like the Great Depression,
government borrowing and spending has given the false hope of recovery.
The difference is that government actions have failed to generate a
strong rebound in GDP and unemployment continues to ratchet higher. A
landslide election victory by Barack Obama in 2012 is not only
impossible; he may not even be the Democratic nominee. The 2012
Presidential election is already destined to be a defining moment in our
country’s history. The future path, intensity and pain of this Crisis
will be greatly impacted by the outcome of this election. The darkening
skies of Crisis are likely to become more threatening by 2012.
A recent Gallup poll gives an early indication of the likely
Republican nominee in 2012. The front runners (Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin)
have remained static, while the firebrands (Newt Gingrich, Mike
Huckabee) have gained ground. The move towards a moralistic Prophet
summoner of human sacrifice is not a surprise. The financial and world
events that lead up to the 2012 election will determine which candidate
is selected from the Republican field. The firebrands are likely to push
to resolve ever-deepening moral choices through military force.
Usually an incumbent President can be sure of re-nomination as the
Democratic candidate, but Obama’s popularity is so low and his
effectiveness as President has been so wanting that a challenge from
Hillary Clinton is a distinct possibility. Clinton has the Prophet
persona and would command the respect of Americans looking for foreign
relations expertise. A failed challenge to Obama’s nomination would
likely weaken Obama and allow the Republican candidate an easy victory. A
potential wildcard would be an insurgent independent campaign by
billionaire Michael Bloomberg. His financial background and moderate
positions on social issues could attract moderate Republican and
Democratic voters. Another possibility is that the Tea Party is unable
to assimilate within the Republican Party and decides to nominate its
own candidate. This could lead to an 1860 like situation, with four
candidates vying for the Presidency. The victor in this scenario might
need to be selected by the Electoral College. The next President
could be elected with less than 40% of the popular vote. Could this
election result lead to secession movement? Will large segments of the
population not accept the election verdict?
Will America Survive this Fourth Turning?
We are poised on the brink of the regeneracy phase of this Fourth
Turning. The open question is what incident or events will lead to
Americans rallying around a Prophet leader. Regeneracy during the
American Revolution occurred in 1776 with the Declaration of
Independence. It occurred during the Civil War when Lincoln demanded
full mobilization and total war after the Battle of Bull Run. The
election of FDR in 1932 produced a regeneracy based upon his New Deal
policies. The issues confronting our nation appear intractable. The
government “solutions” to the initial phase of this Crisis have been to
paper over bad debts, prop up insolvent financial institutions, defer
hard entitlement choices, debase the currency in an effort to alleviate
overwhelming levels of government debt, ignore the imminent implications
of cheap peak oil, and waging never ending lifeblood draining wars
on terror. Ben Bernanke, a self described “expert” on the Great
Depression, and his Federal Reserve, which has inflated away 96% of the
USD purchasing power since 1913, will be the likely culprit in the next
phase of this Crisis. Countries around the world are scrambling to
reduce their exposure to the USD. Ben Bernanke has proven unable
to comprehend the most basic economic signals (housing collapse,
derivatives, Wall Street fraud). He will be blindsided by the sudden
collapse of the US currency.
It is likely that phase two of this financial Crisis will lead to the
election of a dogmatic Republican Prophet Boomer in 2012. This person
will take office in January, 2013, eight years into this Fourth Turning.
They will be faced with the realization that peak cheap oil is a fact,
as even the linearist thinkers realize that technology and green energy
will not provide the bumper sticker solution for our oil dependent
society. The devastating combination of a currency collapse, oil supply
shortages, and the draining war on terror will either unify the country
behind the Prophet leader in their effort to save the country or it
could result in the country’s fabric tearing apart with the Federal
government losing control of sections of the country. A World War over
dwindling natural resources is easily foreseeable. The actual denouement
of events remain a mystery. Much will depend on the leader we choose.
Much will depend on the strength, fortitude, and sacrifice of the
American people.
Strauss & Howe provide four possible outcomes to our current Crisis:
-
This Fourth Turning could mark the
end of man. It could be an omnicidal Armageddon, destroying everything,
leaving nothing. If mankind ever extinguishes itself, this will probably
happen when its dominant civilization triggers a Fourth Turning that
ends horribly. For this Fourth Turning to put an end to all this would
require an extremely unlikely blend of social disaster, human
malevolence, technological perfection and bad luck. -
The Fourth Turning could mark the
end of modernity. The Western saecular rythm – which began in the
mid-fifteenth century with the Renaissance – could come to an abrupt
terminus. The seventh modern saeculum would be the last. This too could
come from total war, terrible but not final. There could be a complete
collapse of science, culture, politics, and society. Such a dire result
would probably happen only when a dominant nation (like today’s America)
lets a Fourth Turning ekpyrosis engulf the planet. But this outcome is
well within the reach of foreseeable technology and malevolence. -
The Fourth Turning could spare
modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the
political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the
word America has come to signify. The nation has
endured for three saecula; Rome lasted twelve, the Soviet Union only
one. Fourth Turnings are critical thresholds for national survival. Each
of the last three American Crises produced moments of extreme danger:
In the Revolution, the very birth of the republic hung by a thread in
more than one battle. In the Civil War, the union barely survived a
four-year slaughter that in its own time was regarded as the most lethal
war in history. In World War II, the nation destroyed an enemy of
democracy that for a time was winning; had the enemy won, America might
have itself been destroyed. In all likelihood, the next Crisis will
present the nation with a threat and a consequence on a similar scale. -
Or the Fourth Turning could simply
mark the end of the Millennial Saeculum. Mankind, modernity, and America
would all persevere. Afterward, there would be a new mood, a new High,
and a new saeculum. America would be reborn. But, reborn, it would not
be the same.
The Fourth Turning is not a prophecy of doom. It is not some sort of Nostradamus like prediction of what will happen on a certain date. The Fourth Turning is
part of a cycle of history tied to a long human life that has
happened before and hopefully will happen again. Our trials await. Will
America respond with strength of character, wise choices, and a
willingness to sacrifice for future unborn generations? It is time to
find out.
For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to throw away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to seek, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to throw away;
A time to tear, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate;
a time for war, and a time for peace.
Ecclesiastes 3: 1-8
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ROFL it isn't a timing thing, the British planned and executed each thing. Rev. War, Civ. War, 1929, and now. All British planned and executed.
Also someone said, truman said nixon was a liar. Yes, and Truman was too. In fact, Truman went 180 degrees opposite of FDR, and gave the Brits back their empire after WWII instead of like FDR destroying it. Truman even got America to join them (and we've been the big monetary power that sends soldiers or cia all around to fuck with everybody for MONETARY reasons, not American ones). He was a traitor. Just like Nixon in abandoning Bretton Woods.
So again, don't believe it's some sophistric cycle. It isn't timed. It is PLANNED. Which means, it didn't need to happen, and it doesn't need to repeat. Same monarchy (trying) to control it all. Since 24-7/365/infinity is how they want to destroy the U.S., after America lets its guard down, after about 70 years or so, the people that replace it, can't believe their good friends, the brits, are really against them. Nah, it can't be. They wouldn't do this. We're friends. We saved them in WWII.
SO.
They still want us gone. Because we've forgotten, and in most cases, abandoned American ideals, for British ones (we're more BRITISH NOW than AMERICAN), we have now almost lost this country to them.
Nothing natural about this. All of this was bullshit that we reacted to. But the bullshit, wasn't natural happenstance.
The civil war was a monetary war, British and their Confederate lackies vs Union. That's what it was. Confederates wanting to be slaves again (they weren't trying to be free...they might have told the shoeless hicks that) and have a different, better deal with England imperialistic style, you know so they could ship their cotton to England, and the remnants of their East India company would then take a huge profit, and send it back to America to sell to us. The civil war, was just imperialistic business. You do know they were at Fort Sumnter Right? You do realize, that they wanted the war to start right? You do realize, THEY (Britain) fired the shot, that started the civil war.
It's the British,monetary, imperialistic system trying to stay alive when it should have been dead centuries ago that is causing all these problems.
They still are.
Glass-Steagall
But overall it doesn't change a couple of things in this that happen not to be destroyed by the post. 2012 or 2011 might be more important than 1860
Sorry though, Barack and Palin aren't Gen Xers. Barack Clearly isn't. Palin while technically one, isn't one based on how she is. These people got one foot in the previous generation, and it's how they 'govern'. We still haven't had a true gen x'er or y in the field (Y is too young).
Tea Party is owned and operated by the Queen of England. A 3rd party, being of the tea variety would be another step BACKWARDS. Sure people are pissed off. But if you join the Tea party, you're either stupid, or fascist, or both. Nothing about the Tea party is genuine. Nothing about it, has solutions. The only good thing they want, the rest of America wants, left-right-center, thus they do not OWN ending the federal reserve. Other than that, EVERY idea they've had is CRAZY or FASCIST. Why? Because the Queen controls them. If you want a REAL new party, it cannot be the 'cum in the face because you let someone rest their nuts there party'. But republicans who didn't see the same thing in the republican party, still have no idea about the 'queen's party'. Dipshit before, still a dipshit now.
You don't fear gov't. You CONTROL it. It's not about big or small, its about 'should we do this, or not'. "Is it for the general welfare or not".
Also we only got out of the previous three, because we acted like Americans. So far, this many years into the crisis, we haven't acted like Americans AT ALL.
Thus we've wasted YEARS, and instead of coming out of it, things are still getting worse, because we still in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM have acted like an American throughout this ENTIRE process. We're acting like MONETARIST BRITAIN.
So unlike the first 3, we're going to LOSE THIS. Unless we start acting like Americans. REAL AMERICANS. Not of the bullshit, completely wrong Tea Party. Rand Paul IS NO PATRIOT. He's a fascist, who espouses ANTI-AMERICAN ideologies. Hell he listens to the same guys that Hitler did. You think that sort of 'non-american' thinking will get us out of this? Hell no. It'll just make us worse.
You want to do something American? For REAL. 1000x more than ANY tea party has suggested in truth, on ANYTHING?
Pass Glass-Steagall and you'll of already surpassed anything the Tea Party would do. They'll never do anything that American.
Realize that gov't can spend. NAWAPA, Fusion, Fusion Arc, Nuclear, Mag lev, darien gap, transaqua, bering straight, Space. These are the thing our nation, and in some cases other countries need to do in order for us to survive. You won't get that at the 'Queen of England has her strapped on nuts in your face Party'.
Tea Party has no ideas, no answers, and no clue. A bunch of chickens running around with their head's cut off on the Queen of England's farm. Enjoy being a traitor if you wish, but you can't call yourself a patriot and espouse fucked up, foreign, anti-american ideologies, just because you follow a fascist in Rand Paul, and a Hapsburg-Hitler-Fascist economic policies. Because that's what's the ideology of the Tea Party. FASCIST HAPSBURGS. Neither ideology is American, both will actively destroy America. Enjoy being part of the problem.
Or you could push for Glass-Steagall instead. Don't need to be in the Queen of England party in order to end the federal reserve. You just don't want the Queen's 2nd team taking over. Her 2nd team? Hapsburgs. Like Rand and Ron Paul. That's the truth, so you better realize it. Glass-Steagall you also better realize it.
+1776
http://www.ecofascism.com/article19.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act
Over time the term "Competition" enters reality with issues. I never pretended to like the fact that the legal system has nothing to do with justice. What would Glass-Steagall do for capital formation in a Fiat system since the FOMC decides anyway in context todays Global supply chain investments in Global Energy Supply chaind being enabled. The three branches of Government have done what since 1865 but limp along to meet Global avarice at the expense of others as always. I would admit that there is no vote of sanity but it is all we have.
Looked over the material from the ecofascism sight. Good stuff. While some eco-minded issues are worthwhile, It is possible that many of these issues and "solutions" are used to protect the status quo and their interests at the expense of the general welfare.
That is why the common man must think for himself and act accordingly with his ability's in the division of labor. The general welfare is a ability to hopefully find candidates. I have no illusion's to the gravity of affairs we face. So much is covered by intent to levage control which we never wanted possible. I have seen many good comments and also never taken back by conditions of others ability not to. Sure years ago we thought we knew what they wanted to control. Time does tell and suggest that the constitution will be perverted and ignored to so called vested interest which is the crux of many topical diversions. The Government which as we believe is us, is the work of many minds, the U. S. Constitution stands as a model of cooperative statesmanship and the art of compromise. Many can point to when it was diluted. The rest is about control at the expense others. I still have a Job to date and America in under seige until they can break the our will on Hell bent agenda's it appears. Innovation is another topic and will persist on that fact since the Consumer in the end controls all IMO
Will 2012 Be As Critical As 1860?
This is basically refocused astrology. The approximately twenty year cycle is the conjunction of jupiter with saturn as seen from earth. I guess it is convenient to use it for generational boundaries also. For the US every fourth of these cycles has been close in time to a crisis war ie: 1780, 1860, 1940, 2020. So the next war crisis in this cycle is due (for the US) in 2020 +/- rather than 2012.
So what is with 2012?
The Astrological/Astronomical Cycle divides the precession circle by twelve. The Mayan Cycle divides a similar time circle by five and says it describes the motion of the solar system relative to the galactic plane. Oddly, it does not give a nexus for this motion. 2012 is the possible common index point for the 25625 (or 25632) year cycles and perhaps the zero point of both cycles, despite current astrological numbering of the signs and conflicting opinions by various astrologers. One reason for the conflict is the precession rate changes over time. Many are predicting interesting things for this cycle climax. They might be correct, but i'm not betting. We have no history of the last one, so i will watch and learn!
I read Strauss & Howe's The Fourth Turning back when in came out in 1997. It was largely ignored although the authors were interviewed by Art Bell when he hosted Coast to Coast AM. I believe one of them died several years ago. I think every single American should pick up a copy of this book which I think more relevant than ever. I believe we are in a Fourth Turning right now and that there will be more upheavals (e.g. financial, social) to come.