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Guest Post: A World Crisis No Bailout Can Stop

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Submitted by Mac Slavo at SHTFplan

Sometimes, a bailout is not enough.

When Dubai World black swanned global investors last month with what amounts to be a reported $80 Billion in debt liabilities, it sent shivers down the spine of many a financial manager and stock trader. For those who were paying attention, Dubai’s troubled assets were no surprise, it was simply a matter of time. Oft repeated by contrarian analysts and investors like Dr. Doom Marc Faber, Gerald Celente, Jim Rogers, and Karl Denninger, the mathematical certainty of the economic crisis would play out - eventually.

It was a year ago that the entire global financial system, spear headed by the USA, faced the real possibility of total meltdown, that is if you trust the motivational fear tactics employed former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

This week, the American public received word that the banks once deemed too-big-to-fail will be paying back their TARP funds, ostensibly because they are now cured of the financial contagion that threatened sudden death, economic collapse and the implementation of martial law.

In addition to Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase, we have commercial real estate powerhouse and partially owned subsidiary of Warren Buffet Enterprises, Wells Fargo, which announced it will sell $10.4 billion in stock and exit the TARP bailout. According to a company statement, the bank plans to pay back $25 billion in taxpayer funds. CEO John Stumpf, presumably also doing gods work, says “we’re ready to fully repay TARP in a way that serves the interests of the U.S. taxpayer, as well as our customers, team members and investors.” Management did not comment on whether the share sales totaling around $14.8 billion, when you count additional plans to  raise capital, will devalue, by way of dilution, the amount of market capitalization held by shareholders.

Citibank, who also committed to repaying $20 billion in TARP funds yesterday saw a stream of positive news throughout the media when they announced their intentions. Just 24 hours later, Bloomberg reports that Citigroup’s Exit From the Bailout is Clouded by Citi Holdings Assets. It seems that CEO Vikram Pandit failed to mention that his company is “emerging from a U.S. bailout with higher capital levels and loan-loss reserves than any peer.” That amounts to somewhere in the area of $617 billion.

Dubai showed how investors and traders are ready to run at the first sign of trouble. As has been the case for the last nine months, however, the Dubai crisis was quickly subdued by stories of bailouts from their sister city, Abu Dhabi. And indeed, Dubai has been rescued with what amounts to be a $10 billion bailout that should help the former real estate Mecca of the Middle East make at least a few payments to keep it a float for a little bit longer. Regional investment firms will receive some of their funds, but as for non-Middle Eastern investors, the verdict is still out, though, as Abu Dhabi’s rulers said, “they will not necessarily just bail out everyone across the board. They will be selective.”

This seems to be the norm these days, so it’s no surprise. Certain entities, for whatever reasons, are bailed out, while others suffer the collapse of their wealth for trusting in the belief that asset prices always go up forever.

As Real Estate Collapse (Wave One)  in the US proved, no asset will appreciate all the time. Like Dubai, the underlying assets in America, Europe, and even China have been slowly simmering for the last year or so. And once the public gets a taste of the toxicity, there will be no stopping the panic as everyone in just about every asset class decides to run for the exit.

When the panic does start, it may be an event perceived to be too-small-to-matter, like a Dubai that exposes several larger global players, which leads to a domino effect that will echo through the entire financial markets. It may start with debt defaults in an  Euro Zone country like Greece or Hungary, or maybe with commercial real estate or Wave Two of the Mortgage Meltdown in the US. It could be a geo-political event with Iran and Israel, or a terrorist attack on a Saudi Arabian pipeline.

Right now, the world is on edge. The citizens of the US, as well as the global public don’t really know who to trust to tell them the truth. They are on alert, consciously or subconsciously, and if they perceive even a small threat, the fight-or-flight system will be activated.

Some say that a year ago we faced economic disaster on a massive scale. In one year, governments around the world have printed money, and done little else, except to provide daily lip service and commentary. The contagion has been lying dormant and will become an epidemic.

No bailout will stop it.

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by bugs_
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:22
#164742

Theres not stoppin what can't be stopped.

Theres no killin what can't be killed.

by Cursive
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:16
#164906

It's inevitable and I don't mean as in 30 years from now.  This is the Minsky Moment.  But, you won't hear it on TV (broadcast or cable), read it in the newspaper, hear it on radio (terrestrial or satellite).  Nope, you gotta have an internet connection to know the truth.  So, if you're reading this and you haven't sold your risky assets, commence as soon as possible.

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:10
#165035

a couple interesting pieces on the reverse minsky journey from the mack daddies @ PIMpco:

http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/FF/2007/GCBF+Oct...

"liquidity is not a pool of money but rather a state of mind." - 10.07

http://bit.ly/4SZOsv

"The objective of our policies is to turn deflationary swamp water into inflationary wine." - 4.09

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 21:18
#165389

Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.

All ya need is nub

la la la la

by docj
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:33
#164763

Yep, this will all end well.  Rally on!

by john_connor
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:37
#164766

Nice article and I couldn't agree more.  When the selling starts it will not stop.  At least not until all margin calls have cycled thru and all bad debts are exposed. 

by Instant Karma
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:39
#164771

Some volatility ahead, you just don't know exactly when.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:29
#164922

Counter example: Isn't Dubai an example of how you can get the cattle to stampede? Then you buy the assets, pennies on the dollar and re-sell them after the panic subsides.
For a while, this tactic will work...until the day the buyers just don't come back.

by Oracle of Kypseli
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:46
#164785

The 10 billion injection, as correctly mentioned, is intended to make whole local banks and other connected local investors. They are now in the eye of the storm for maybe a month or two. 

What's amazing is that the maintenance and/or scraping & dismantling these projects can cost as much as building them. That means banks and bond holders loose it all. 

Even if these projects are handed over for free, they will never generate enough revenue to pay for the maintenance.

Bulldozers? erosion? sea reclamation? 

  

  

by viahj
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 18:43
#165180

The 10 billion injection, as correctly mentioned, is intended to make whole local banks and other connected local investors. They are now in the eye of the storm for maybe a month or two. 

Just as the flow of US Taxpayer funds through AIG into GS

by masterinchancery
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 20:25
#165327

Not even with all the slave labor available in Dubai?

by arnoldsimage
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:49
#164787

and with that i give you tiger woods father's famous quote regarding his son... “Please forgive me…but sometimes I get very emotional…when I talk about my son…. My heart…fills with so…much…joy…when I realize…that this young man…is going to be able…to help so many people…. He will transcend…. and bring to the world…a humanitarianism…which has never been known before. The world will be a better place to live in…by virtue of his existence…and his presence…”

by PolishHammer
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 03:49
#165661

"He'll be bigger that Ghandi...or Mandela"

by arnoldsimage
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:51
#164791

everything eventually is brought out into the light of truth. this market is no exception.

by Missing_Link
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:01
#164882

+1000

Amen.

by anarkst
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:18
#165043

"everything eventually is brought out into the light of truth. this market is no exception."

 

Who told you that?

by pooplagrande
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 22:05
#165422

...not when you have smooth-talkin Obama and a country full of hypnotized idiots!

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 03:49
#165662

So true....as we enter the Chinese "Year of the Tiger".....Tiger Woods is but a symbol of what will play out in 2010.....hidden things exposed for what they really are.

by Daedal
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 13:52
#164792

And don't forget all those college loans -- many of which interest free and/or don't have to be paid back until after graduation.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:31
#164840

Repay a loan? What kind of country do you think the USA is anyway? Pfft!

by Humble Gentleman
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:34
#164844

Repay a loan? What kind of country do you think the USA is anyway? Pfft!

by primus
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:19
#164822

I would look for a 'real' crisis before more funny, money BS like a financial run. We all know the entire economy is underwritten by a handful of bankers and politicans running gigantic confidence game. Aside from printing massive amounts of money, the second change was to implement fraudelent accounting practices to obscure the next crisis from taking root and spreading. The last melt down couldn't have happened without the pigmen eating one of their own. That is why when the next story breaks, you won't see massive naked shortselling jackels piling on to collapse one of their own. Instead, it will be, shut up, face forward, big smile on Wall Street and the non-stop 'nothing to see here' from the media, just like Dubai. After all, they are all in this together. "You go, we go" so to speak. 

If the past two years have taught us anything it is that 'they' can and will 'paper up' any sort of solvency / debt problems. There is no telling when the confidence levy breaks in this regard.

That is why I think the next crisis will have to spring to life from a actual, physical event. Air raid sierns in Tehran? Coup in Europe? Terrorism? Any number of black swans.

by faustian bargain
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:29
#164838

I am betting it all on Santa crashing into the Space Needle.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 00:21
#165547

Awesome, totally awesome.

by chet
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:39
#164848

Dubai "coincidentally" hit the news on Thanksgiving.  We'll see what happens on Christmas.

I think that a sovereign default of a prominent enough country, or a smaller one that nontheless rocks the entire Euro zone, would be an efficient enough black swan.

by primus
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:01
#164880

Then again, the whole sordid affair might be suprisingly un-dramatic, like a heroin overdose.

 

As the current American domination - and by proxy the standard of living - just makes one lap after another, swirling around the toilet bowl.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 16:38
#165002

Whence commeth the next black swan?
Tehran? - That's the neocon wet dream, but apart from a few bombing runs it would accomplish nothing. Plus you get free backlash from the Shi'as in Iraq as well. Then there goes that 'stability' too.
Coup in Europe? - An interesting proposition. The Greeks have done it before, and it's not looking like easy pickings for the IMF to do another unlubricated ano-financial extraction. If Greece (or Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Slovenia, Poland, et al) decide to default on debt and/or enter into "new alliances" (Russia/China), so goeth the Euro.
Terrorism? - that old chestnut gets paraded out every time there's talk of lowering the defense budget, and it is painfully obvious. A larger segment of the population is no longer frightened now that they see the trick. Real terror (like a $23.7 trillion heist) is not addressed--it is in fact rewarded. But if you mean more terrorism in the form of rewards for unproductive psychos, then this is the most likely Black Swan to occur.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 19:28
#165249

An interesting point and I largely agree, but why is Poland always roped in with basket case economies like Hungary and Ukraine whenever discussion of Eastern Europe comes around? Poland is actually Eastern Europe's strongest and healthiest economy at the moment and hasn't actually been effected much by the crisis at all so far - the economy is actually "growing" at over 1%, and is thus the only major EU economy to be doing so. I worry more about the UK and Germany going postal than I do about Poland.

by TheGoodDoctor
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 16:11
#166478

Yeah and they were worried about the dominoes of Communism collapsing!

Dammit! Where is my sarcasm button? ;)

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:25
#164829

Yesterday a huge article on HYPERINFLATION and the resulting chaos.

Today this article on DEFLATION and the not so much on the resulting chaos.

It is one or the other - pick your poison- but it can't be both. One necessarily negates the other.

Perhaps all the hyperinflation fear is too focused on the money being printed and not on the larger and ever intensifying wealth destruction.

.02$

by B9K9
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:59
#164878

Of course you can have both, as is evidenced by what we are currently experiencing. Many people tend to forget that we have an underlying nominal fiat currency regime and a huge credit derivative bubble. The numbers vary greatly, but for simplicity, assume there's something like $1-2T of currency vs $50-100T -> 1-2QT in extended credit.

Clearly, the pyramided credit bubble dwarfs any measure of the currency basis. The deflation camp points to declining asset values (eg housing) that are driving creditors (ie mortgage holders vis-a-vis MBS portfolios) to insolvency. The inflation camp points to out-of-control monetary expansion.

That's why we are seeing both price declines in many credit driven asset sectors, such as property, occurring simultaneously with price increases in monetary senstive sectors like gold, etc. The question everyone is wondering is whether or not there will be a break in any one direction.

by Apocalypse Now
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:23
#165049

Excellent B9K9 - You have some of the best posts.

Likewise, hyperinflation in government spending and deflation in private (corporate & consumer) spending.

by Mansoor_H_Khan
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 22:46
#165470

@B9K9

I just finished reading your earlier comments on ZH.  I understand you blame "human nature" for this disaster (i.e., the economic collapse).  Yes, we (humans) have abused central banking.  Yes, the value of the dollar has gone down 95% (or so) since the creation of the Federal Reserve System.  Even with all the economic inefficiencies (i.e., mis-allocation of capital) due to inflation (because of runaway fractional reserve banking and credit creation) we (humans) have made tremendous material progress (e.g., software, the internet, computers, machines, medicine, business process knowlege) since 1913 (year of the creation of the FED).  I am an ERP analyst and I am astounded at the rate of material production that is now possible.  Very few people can run a very large factory.

We can manage through this collapse without total chaos.  Although, some chaos will be necessary for the populace to wake up and realize what is going on.  What we need is an orderly bankruptcy and liquidation of our largest institutions (Financial and Government).  Even then there will be lots and lots of pain and suffering and economic disruption.  But we need not descend into total chaos.

As far as central banking is concerned the only "evil" part of central banking is the attempt to "manipulate" the price of money (interest rates).   Central electronic safe storage of money and check clearing is the "wonderful" and extremely useful part of central banking.    

 

 

by Winston Smith 2009
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 00:56
#165568

"What we need is an orderly bankruptcy and liquidation of our largest institutions (Financial and Government)."

Yes, that's a fix, but the problem is, it will never happen voluntarily.  It's extend and pretend to the end since  "Financial and Government" institutions are effectively the same thing.  So the eventual bankruptcy and liquidation forced upon them by market forces will be disorderly.  Very disorderly. 

by Mansoor_H_Khan
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 04:51
#165682

It will not happen voluntariy right now.  But it is very possible once chaos starts and the public sees the lies that the ZH readers see.  We should not given up on democracy and America so easily.   Human nature goes both ways.   We can fall to the level of animals or we can rise to the level of saints.  It is possible for the populace to see the truth.  At least for enough to see the truth as things starts unraveling.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 15:32
#166406

There are no saints, and the animals behave, happily, not as people.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 15:57
#166457

There are no saints, and the animals behave, happily, not as people.

by Apocalypse Now
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 04:48
#165681

You don't understand that it is about controlling the volume of money (credit / leverage) and tipping off your connected banks on the direction.  All booms and busts now are designed and are a result of monetary policy.  If you can get enough individuals to default on loans you can acquire their hard assets (imaginary paper dollars are created to initiate a loan) and turn the created loan into real physical products (without fear of bankruptcy now because they are backstopped).  If you acquire all the hard assets (homes/land) you win - think of it as a board game.  Read Jeffersons quote about banks taking over the country - First by inflation then deflation all based on their manipulation of the printing press.

by Mansoor_H_Khan
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 05:18
#165686

The problem is fractional reserve banking (which is practiced by the connected banks).   All you need is to remove deposit insurance protection (which is a lie any way) and give the public a way to safely store electronic money (without credit risk) just like banks store their cash risk free at the central bank.

more at:   http://seekingalpha.com/article/160269-a-radical-solution-for-america-s-insolvent-financial-system

by TheGoodDoctor
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 16:16
#166486

How about a micorchip under the skin? :p

by Tom North
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:16
#164905

You certainly can have both.

I call it "Bagflation"

We all become 'Bag Ladies' while the prices of the most basic of necessities skyrocket beyond our reach....

At least we will FINALLY start to address the epidemic of obesity in this country....

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:13
#164983

that's a positive way of looking at it. 
uncle sugar needs lean mean american machines!

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:26
#164834

Things are only beginning. The Peterson Institute, a well known econmic think tank whose policies have been followed for decades, just issued a report calling for a new $6 Trillion worldwide stimulus in 2010. This includes the FED buying $2 trillion of Treasuries in 2010.

Stocks will be much higher in 2010. It takes about 2 years following this stimulus for inflation to really kick in.

by Mark Beck
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:33
#164843

The question I would like to ask;

Why does Wells want to pay back the $25B in TARP Capital Purchase Program?

TARP Capital Purchase Program:

TARP ---> Wells $25B in Cash (sweet)

TARP <--- Wells Preferred Stock

 

Wells selling common stock to buy back preferred shares:

Wells <--- New Equity Purchase $25B

Wells ---> New Common Shares (dilution) 

TARP ---> Wells Preferred Stock (retire shares?)

TARP <--- Wells $25B

-----------

So Wells is issuing common shares to buy back preferred shares. Both equity. Why? and Why now?

My guess:

Why?

It must be to remove Government conditions on executive compensation, or some other oversight unpleasantness. Maybe related to FASB changes, or something new, where oversight would not be wise.

Why now? Why not at the end of Q1 2010?

To take advantage of a very artificially high common stock price? If this is true, then these big banks feel that the current stock price is at its peak?

----------

I am not sure what other peoples experiences are in financial circles, but it is a relatively small universe. Perhaps 1 in 100 even track financial news. The general public really does not know the dangers of toxicity and how it may effect the economy. The people who do know these dangers have been taking their profits and pulling out of equities over the past few months. So in this respect, running for the exit has already occurred.

So who is left to trade anything? Who is sitting on the stock? Funds?

----------

The financial crisis was caused by FED systemic risk mis-management, non-regulation of derivatives, and loose credit, and for some reason, the over riding urge to inflate an asset real estate bubble. The disaster was how to wind down these insolvent institutions without crippling the nation's access and flow to credit.

Now. this could have been handled with the government providing some debtor in possession financing to stabilize bankruptcies. Have the FED modify its discount window to provide short term liquidity for the money market, and provide lending credit through the Treasury for big institutions and SBA for small business. If things where handled this way the problems would have been addressed more directly without the FED buying bad debt. But, it is clear that a lot of big banks on wall street would be in reorganization or gone.

----------

Also, I would like to suggest that the residential real estate crisis is not over. What has to be addressed is de-leveraging debt in the face of falling prices. As normal market forces are allowed to work, at some point in 2010 residential real estate prices should trend down again. This will sour a lot of paper. But, the FED is probably holding the majority of the really bad stuff.

Mark Beck

by Gilgamesh
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:38
#164939

Watch the hellacious battle to close WFC in the green (currently red).

They simply cannot let a secondary like this fail on first day; it will be like popping the bubble.  The air bubble that has been rising under the stock prices of all those waiting for their next round of dilutive secondaries.

by Gilgamesh
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 16:03
#164971

And... it goes from negative to close plus .14 in the green with no pop in the SPX or financials...

Nothing to see here.

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:14
#165040

does anyone know anyone who bought this secondary?

by Gilgamesh
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:26
#165052

GS and WFC (WB) 'clients.'

Which is why I wrote those comments about painting the price.  Don't say GS doesn't work for its 2.25%.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 16:42
#165007

Simple: They want to pay bonuses. Or it's just a big coincidence. Or the gummint really needs cash, since no one's buying Treasuries...

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 14:46
#164856

"In one year, governments around the world have printed money, and done little else, except to provide daily lip service and commentary."

Because the steps required to fix the problem were too severe to be possible... what does that tell you about the problem?

by Tom North
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:04
#164888

Mac,

Incredible post. Let's ponder our options for a moment:

A) Let the bankers cash themselves out & transfer more toxic waste to the Fed, and we take it on the chin again when it all goes kaboom..

or

B) We cashier the SOBs now, nationalize their sorry asses, and start a legitimate clean-up & liquidation effort.

It's a tough choice.....hmmmmm.....but we really need to DO SOMETHING.....well, considering we pay either way, I think option 'B' might save us a lot of both time & money....Shit-can 'em!

by Herd Redirectio...
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:20
#164912

I find it AMAZING people come to ZeroHedge to find a semi-profitable trade to partake in!

Wake up, this crisis gives us a chance to take back the country!

The elite use crisis to push through massive changes, thus the only way to combat them is to use the very same crises they use, against them.  Plus they created the crisis, so there is no point in feeling bad for making the most of the opportunity provided.

Transportation, Energy, Media,  Defense industry, Finance (obviously) have all been infiltrated, if not completely taken over. This is not a battle which only started recently,  the understand the dynamic one must look all the way back to when the Fed was established!

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 16:51
#165019

don't forget agriculture & healthcare

by Rick Blaine
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:31
#164931

Nice work, Mac.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:33
#164934

My first reaction is the fear and confidence in agreeing with darn near all of you. Then I look at the tape and the trend ... And it is all up. No collapses, no black swans... Those in power know that there hold on power is strong if they can make us see the illusion. So far so good. You tin foil hat types think they will stop the facade ??. Get a life..

by Jim in MN
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:34
#164937

The reason the Policy is the Policy is the bond market.  There can't be a real reckoning, whether haircuts, bankruptcies or nationalizations (en masse) in the financial sector because the bonds on all the toxic financial instruments are held by pension, life and health insurance companies.

That's the line that's been drawn.  Big fat kitties can make all the gaming winnings they want to as long as that line holds.

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 16:54
#165023

the question is where is that line?

by Jim in MN
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 00:07
#165533

Well, in Japan it's been a long time.  TPTB hope to fake it to make it for, well, it could be twenty years.  If all that happens is a couple more big sectoral crashes--commercial real estate, state fiscal crises--then maybe they do get away with it.  But there are flotillas of Black Swans out there like sovereign defaults, regional wars, and insane squids with supercomputers.  So, nobody knows.  Maybe tomorrow.  Maybe....for the rest of our natural lives....

by tip e. canoe
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 09:18
#165810

a stitch in time saves nine

by masterinchancery
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 20:34
#165344

The line will be crossed when too many people want their pensions, and they have to start selling.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 07:33
#165713

when insiders commute their pension rights for a lump sum.....

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:39
#164944

Following will be the trigger for the next crisis which would be impossible for anyone to halt. It will be the beginning of the end of financial system as we know it.

Trigger event: Japanese interest rates moving higher by many percentage poinst

by chumbawamba
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 15:52
#164957

Jim Willie was all over this well before anyone else that I was reading.

I am Chumbawamba.

by anarkst
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:23
#165050

The greatest disaster ALREADY happened, thousands of years ago.  Humans evolved.  Have no fear, though,  for we are but a temporary surface nuisance that the Earth will purge soon enough. 

by Winisk
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:44
#165079

Good one.  That made me laugh.

by Apocalypse Now
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 03:49
#165660

Luciferian? Malthusian?  If you feel that way you are no different than scrooge, and would then logically kill yourself and "reduce the surplus population".

You are made in the image of God and one of his greatest creations consisting of 100 trillion cells perfectly put together, the work of the greatest architect (Designed).  DNA is a language, a blueprint, and the human body perfectly embodies the golden ratio - beauty or 1:1.618.

Be fruitful and multiply. 

by Anonymous
on Fri, 01/29/2010 - 01:24
#210574

Why would anyone have to kill themselves to reduce the
population? People should have less children. Birth
control pills and condoms are cheap and very effective
for the money.

by itsme
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:29
#165060

9 months ago all the World Economies looked like coming to an end. Since last march we haven't heard but nonsense and lies over lies all across the board. Those G20 G8 meetings were held just to be sure on something. Pump as much money u can, bailout the "too bigs to fail" and transfer the most amount of wealth to a handfull of executives across the World ad fast as they could.

Now, Systemic risk avoided? I don't think so!

Funny thing is that when I think of Madoff and what he did and how he was treated by the same people who are robbing the americans blind!

Dubai, Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland the U.S.....who's up now? We once had banks failing...now we're going to see countries going belly up.

 

 

by Burn the Squid
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 17:36
#165069

Just remember yesterday was the highest close since October 2008.  This is setting up bad. 

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 19:40
#165267

The initial event will be a food shortage and world wide massive jump in the price of basic foods. The starvation and disorder will motivate everyone to leave debt and risky investments, and this is the collapse.

The other possibility is the new nuclear standoff between Israel with its fleet of nuclear cruise missiles and robotic patrol boats, and nuclear Iran. Such a war would end the importation of Mideast oil.

Get yourself a home solar power center for heat and electricity, and seeds and grain for an extended time. And get some guns and ammo...gold will not help.

by tip e. canoe
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 09:45
#165857

"Specifically, the USDA has declared half the counties in the Midwest to be primary disaster areas this year, including 274 Midwest counties in the last 30 days alone. These designated are based on the criteria of a minimum of 30 percent loss in the value of at least one crop in a county. The chart below shows counties declared primary disaster areas by the Secretary of Agriculture and the president of the United States."

http://www.marketskeptics.com/

by masterinchancery
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 20:30
#165337

This is the way the world ends,

this is the way the world ends,

this is the way the world ends,

Not with a bang, with a wimper.

by heatbarrier
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 22:24
#165435

Deflation of the asset stock is the killer, it cannot be stopped and it is devastating,

http://rutledgecapital.com/tag/flow-of-funds-report/

Inflation/Deflation of GDP is not the risk IMO.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/15/2009 - 22:32
#165445

Earnings are already coming in OK, no collapse anytime soon, next move is up.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 08:09
#165732

"Read Jeffersons quote about banks taking over the country - First by inflation then deflation all based on their manipulation of the printing press."

Isn't that a fake quote? I read that the words "deflation" and "inflation" were not in use in Jefferson's lifetime. It is everywhere though. I think it's bogus however damning is does sound.
Wikipedia says inflation was coin during the civil war and that deflation is linked to classical economists.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 19:29
#166796

Interesting. ZH spacemonkeys? Marla? Tyler?

by WaterWings
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 19:43
#166821

It appears I have been had! In the words of TJ: 'merci beaucoup'.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

http://www.rense.com/general85/phony.htm

by Anonymous
on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 21:52
#166979

it's all just numbers on screens...

by Anonymous
on Sat, 12/26/2009 - 12:03
#174910

Who knows what new and improved little schemes are being hatched to prolong the inevitable.You can Be sure that the fat lady has not sung yet. Not as long as the rule makers and the players are one in the same.

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