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Gulf Methane Levels 1 Million Times Above Normal Are Depleting Oxygen And Creating Marine Dead Zones

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Reuters is so not getting the administration's latest round of taxpayer bail out funding when mainstream media comes knocking on Obama's door looking for handouts. The media company has shockingly decided to release some of the truth about the biosystematic genocide currently happening in the Gulf: "As much as 1 million times the normal level of methane gas has been found in some regions near the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, enough to potentially deplete oxygen and create a dead zone, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday. Texas A&M University oceanography professor John Kessler, just back from a 10-day research expedition near the BP Plc oil spill in the gulf, says methane gas levels in some areas are "astonishingly high." Luckily, America is gradually realizing that the entire food chain in the southeast is about to be turned around on its head, leading to a massive and unprecedented ecological disaster, which will certainly wipe out thousands of species and result in not only a surge in unemployment (that's a given) but outright loss of life (at statistically significant levels), and the anger is mounting. Perhaps the one good thing to come out of the worst ecological disaster in world history will be the sudden, and jarring awakening from the generational slumber for most of America, and a long overdue overhaul of a broken political and economic system.

More from Reuters:

Kessler's crew took measurements of both surface and deep water within a 5-mile (8 kilometer) radius of BP's broken wellhead.

"There is an incredible amount of methane in there," Kessler told reporters in a telephone briefing.

In some areas, the crew of 12 scientists found concentrations that were 100,000 times higher than normal.

"We saw them approach a million times above background concentrations" in some areas, Kessler said.

The scientists were looking for signs that the methane gas had depleted levels of oxygen dissolved in the water needed to sustain marine life.

"At some locations, we saw depletions of up to 30 percent of oxygen based on its natural concentration in the waters. At other places, we saw no depletion of oxygen in the waters. We need to determine why that is," he told the briefing.

Methane occurs naturally in sea water, but high concentrations can encourage the growth of microbes that gobble up oxygen needed by marine life.

Kessler said oxygen depletions have not reached a critical level yet, but the oil is still spilling into the Gulf, now at a rate of as much as 60,000 barrels a day, according to U.S. government estimates.

"What is it going to look like two months down the road, six months down the road, two years down the road?" he asked.

No commentary necessary, suffice it to say we sincerely urge Whitney Tilson to hedge his BP holdings with at least a few puts.

h/t John


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Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:46 | 432098 UGrev
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Gas masks, Bitchez!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:10 | 432167 Mad Max
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Silly peon.  BP's just testing their new seawater-based delivery system.  Be ready to pay BP each time you visit the ocean - they're coming out with their own counterpart to the DMCA to make sure you pay or go to debtor's prison.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:29 | 432235 almost_have_a_name
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Power boats and Jet skis don't need fuel tanks anymore !


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:38 | 432260 Mad Max
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Much like water wells in PA are becoming combined water/gas wells.  All you need is an water/oil/gas separator and a single well can heat your house and provide you with drinking water (after running through 20 or so reverse-osmosis stages).  All for less cost than a B2 stealth bomber!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:45 | 432275 Howard_Beale
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And Wyoming, Texas, and Colorado--all shown in Gasland on HBO in which GG was kind enough to post a picture from on a previous thread.

However, the gas is not the real problem, Max. It's the 565+ fracking chemicals like benzene and other carcinogens that are getting in the water supply as well.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:52 | 432297 Mad Max
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A relative of mine is a groundwater geologist living in CO, so I have some idea of what you speak.

I wouldn't say the gas is not the real problem, I would say it's not the only problem.  It is quite possible to have drinking water (from a well) that is contaminated with the fracking chemicals but not with gas.  That's a big problem, requiring you to truck in water or possibly get an expensive filtering system.  But it's also possible to have basically clean water that's contaminated with enough gas to be flammable, and that's a serious problem too - you can't continue to use that water without some safe way to remove the gas.  Either one can be fatal to your well, and of course you may win the lottery and get both at once.

Gasland appears to be a great documentary, and I hope it will get an audience.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:57 | 432308 Howard_Beale
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Here's a link to chemicals in Colorado found in fracking. I agree that gas is a very serious problem..espcially if you are bathing in it and drinking it every day.

It is on HBO on demand all month if you know someone who gets it. It is also open at 2 NYC theaters and being shown throughout the Marcellus Shales in select towns.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:40 | 432548 velobabe
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A relative of mine is a groundwater geologist living in CO

ask him about shale water. please, get back to me. i couldn't find a gd groundwater geologist that knew much about this nasty sulfur shit black water. they all lie and say it can be filtered. lies and more lies. colorado has huge shale reserves of everything apparently, water, gas fucking fracking.

i trucked in water, i filtered, expensive analysis. guess good thing i got rid of the third world i called home, in the rah rah realty days of '06. living without water, adapted. guess what, i hate to shower.


Marcellus Shales ruined my fucking life.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:38 | 432663 trav7777
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are you getting prude?  Where are dem titties

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:35 | 432743 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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peak titties.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:38 | 432550 gasmiinder
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:23 | 432796 Howard_Beale
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I live on the border of NY/PA and know people within 15 miles of here that can light their water on the last 6 months they started to smell gas in their bathwater, are getting sick, and can't sell their property now because they hit the front page of the newspaper. Gee, what a little coincidence that Chesapeake drilled a half mile from their house and claims it was a pre-existing condition since it wasn't within 1/4 of a mile of the fracking.

Nice little gas co propaganda site you got there. I suggest you buy some property in PA in the areas where they are drilling the most and have a nice short life.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:33 | 432815 tip e. canoe
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it's really a shame howard cuz that area would be a lovely place to have a farm.


get some jersey greensand and/or fuller's earth to use.
not perfect, but better than dead...

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:36 | 432813 GoinFawr
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Interesting gasmiinder, but ultimately just a whole lot of circumlocution and some obfuscation; no 'debunking' really worth mentioning going on at that link. eg. I've got some mere 'household' chemicals for ya to taste, but you'll be wanting to have your will all sorted before imbibing even a millilitre of some of 'em.

I'll be saving that one for reference though, so thanks.



Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:57 | 432314 Turd Ferguson
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TD: This is the 2nd thread today that originated from a link I had earlier posted. I'm sick of doing all the heavy lifting for you, MackDaddy. Keep it up and I'm gonna insist you rename the site TurdHedge!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:27 | 432405 TuesdayBen
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You'll be pleased to know that remains available for sale

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:44 | 432555 Turd Ferguson
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And...its much better than ZeroTurd, which sounds rather like a colorectal issue.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:48 | 432677 akak
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Talk about anal-retentive!

Didn't I hear something about John Wayne having had a zeroturd problem?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:00 | 432692 DeeDeeTwo
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I'll bet Mr. Turd knows a thing or two about methane gas, baby.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:48 | 432103 Citizen of an I...
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Kessler said oxygen depletions have not reached a critical level yet...


For only three letters, that's a pretty damn big word right there.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:49 | 432106 Teaser
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um, old news, several years old.  Dead zone in the gulf has been there for years. 

and, could we please please invest in some new goddamn servers?  keep the economy going and pick up some new blades!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:52 | 432115 Freebird
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I`ll match you dollar for dollar on your ZH donation. Serious. 

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:56 | 432311 genieous
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Just donated $25.  Not much but time to pay up, FB

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:52 | 432116 Cognitive Dissonance
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Please back that request up with a donation. Thank you.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:56 | 432135 Freebird
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Come in Teaser your time is up.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:11 | 432172 Freebird
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ZH Admin - other payment methods? Paypal not acceptable this far south of the border. 

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:26 | 432223 velobabe
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S  L  I  D  E to be word of the day.


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:32 | 432417 TuesdayBen
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I'm long unemployed, huge underwater mortgage, etc etc blah blah blah, but I'll chip in a donation if there is some way to pay by other than the execrable PayPal.  Google payments?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:55 | 432304 genieous
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Donation done.  Not much but something.  Rock on!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:11 | 432170 Mad Max
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What's another gigantic new dead zone among friends, anyway?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:38 | 432257 chistletoe
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GOM dead zone, from 2008:


...and, from the "Science Museum of Minnesota"

here is the official Gulf of Mexico Dead Zone website,

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:51 | 432111 Cognitive Dissonance
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I really wish I had saved or cached the link because I can no longer find an AP story discussing BP and hurricanes. In it some fool was saying that the good news about a hurricane would be that it would stir up the waters and dilute the oil and gas as well as mix oxygen into the water column.

I swear to God this was what it said. Never again will I read such amazing spin and not cache the link. Never.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:10 | 432165 Cursive
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I don't know why you waited until 3 weeks and 3 days ago to come into our lives.  :)

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:58 | 432317 Cognitive Dissonance
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While I always lament losing an old time ZH regular, occasionally a real gem takes their place and immediately contributes in every sense of the word.

Thank you -Michelle-

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:26 | 432399 Cursive
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I miss Green Sharts.  He was different and usually challenged the antinomian or wildly anti-establishment thoughts expressed here.  There are others, notably a few old Ritholtz hands that didn't stay around, but I miss Green Sharts the most.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:00 | 432598 -Michelle-
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Thank you both!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:09 | 432164 Cognitive Dissonance
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Could have been. Amazing logic. I understand the basic premise is to dilute the oil, but when we get to the point where we're cheering on a hurricane to try to save the GoM, we've collectively jumped the shark into total insanity.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:14 | 432177 Cursive
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I work with a bunch of engineers, or should I say God's gift to mankind.  Anyway, the lead engineer was talking a month ago about how a hurricane would be the best thing because of the dispersal/dilutive effect.  Yesterday, he was agreeing that we could have condensate precipitation (more precise term for "oil rain").  Some people get so caught up in the mechanics of a problem, they fail to grasp the consequences of the solution.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:10 | 432361 Cognitive Dissonance
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"I work with a bunch of engineers, or should I say God's gift to mankind."

I have (had) a casual acquaintance who is an engineering gift from God. At least he thinks so. Anyway, one day as I suffered through an anal explanation of the poor stitching on his new mattress (I swear to God he had just bought a new mattress and was near tears about the poor quality of the top of the mattress stitching job) I finally turned to his wife and asked her what it was like to make love to an engineer?

She laughed so hard her soda came out of her nose. After she regained her ability to speak, all she would say while hubby was glaring at her (and I) was that I didn't want to know. Needless to say I've never been invited back, though the wife called me a few days later to tell that he's particularly meticulous with the "process". :>)

BTW I probably shouldn't talk about "anal" after publishing a 42,000 word, 108 page, 5 chapter essay. :>)

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:29 | 432411 Cursive
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L-O-L.  You literally got me into trouble as I burst into laughter in my office.  Thank God for alt-tab and quick excuses.  :D

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:50 | 432464 Uncle Remus
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Frickin' priceless.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:23 | 432733 arnoldsimage
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+1. funny stuff

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 00:54 | 432976 StychoKiller
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Hey, Engineers created the very internet and PC you're using to dis them -- show some respect.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:25 | 432643 e_goldstein
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doctors kill people one at a time. engineers by hundreds and thousands.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 08:08 | 433291 fajensen
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Damn Right - So don't you lot get uppity or we send some machine round to your house, kill you, your neighbours, whatever bystanders there may be (innocent or not) AND justify the mess by having your scorched remains labelled "Taliban" (much easier to attract funding if we label every dead person "Taliban" - it's like the spear of Odin that never, ever misses).

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:26 | 432224 Gully Foyle
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:00 | 432324 Cognitive Dissonance
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Which one is you? :>)

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:32 | 432244 WaterWings
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Of everyone I've ever met in my life I would imagine you the most qualified (integrity + knowledge) to indicate that moment.

"Are we there yet?" LOL.

Thanks for everything, CD.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:08 | 432348 Yophat
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The government's prepared though....enter these coordinates into Google Earth to see preparations...



Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:26 | 432402 WaterWings
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I wondered about that. And then I imagined them trolling neighborhoods in Jacksonville, "Hey, you crack addicts! We're trying to save your life! Come get in this van - we're taking you all to Minnesota! Hurry, hurry, hurry, come quick! You'll be rooting for the Vikings in no time...(inaudible)...Yes, you can get crack there, too."

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:12 | 432619 -Michelle-
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Huh.  I know right where that is.  Next time we're out that way, I'll have see what I can see.

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:57 | 435995 Yophat
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Love to know what you find out.....the date on Google Earth is 2008 for the picture...

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:39 | 432830 tip e. canoe
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big jesse should do a conspiracy theory episode on that joint.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:49 | 432290 duo
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Yes, we need a hurricane to whip up the Corexit/oil mixture into submicron droplets that we can inhale deep into our lungs.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:09 | 432356 Yophat
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It would make Bill Gates happy!!!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:30 | 432412 merehuman
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Duo, dont forget to bring matches or a lighter. Thanks

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:27 | 432647 e_goldstein
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i'm still betting on oily fiery vortices of death.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:39 | 432406 Arkadaba
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+1000 CD

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:42 | 432265 CD
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If you want truly scary spin, you have to go to the mother source: the government.

The high winds and seas will mix and “weather” the oil which can help accelerate the biodegradation process.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:44 | 432273 Eally Ucked
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I wonder where is Mr.Dover III with few jokes about current situation in GOM?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:58 | 432481 TuesdayBen
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Allow me to step into the breech for my distant cousin, Ben Dover: "Today in Washington, BP CEO Tony Hayward told members of Congress that his company is working to make sure that a spill like this does not happen again. And they have a great plan in place. They're going out of business." —Jimmy Fallon

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:00 | 432486 knukles
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Interesting Lamentations, but Taking our Eyes Off the Prize.

The longer the Powers That Be keep the Reality of the Damage reasonably Contained, the greater the PR and Political Fruition Available Therefrom once the Disaster is of the Biblical Proportion.  

Then, and only then, shall the Elite have Every and All Reasons under the Condensate Clouded Sun to Impose Further Regulations Upon and Funded by Spurious and Incidental Energy Related Activities.
The Greater the Disaster, the Greater the Need for Great, New, Fundamental Nation, Globe Building, Ecological Friendly Governmental Actions.

Never Let a Crisis Go to Waste. 

Do you Really Believe that the Government is Not Aware of these Risks? 
If they are, for what Reason do they Risk the Well Being, Health, Happiness and General Welfare, the Very Lives of Those thay are Sworn to Protect and Defend?
If not, they are Incompetent and Must Resign as Did McChrystal, for in this Case, The Risks make Political Comments by a Military Officer Pale in Comparison.   

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 07:10 | 433231 cossack55
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Speculation: Gen. Stan was ordered to screw up so he could return to CONUS as he is more apt to overlook various constitutional issues.  Patraeus moves from Florida to Afgan as he may have been more likely to actually have read said constitutuion.  Thoughts?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:06 | 432704 sgt_doom
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An interesting note: about a year ago I recall reading an article by a Chinese-Brit scientist over in the U.K. stating that the oxygen atmospheric content numbers were falling faster than the rising carbon dioxide numbers.  (Unfortunately, I've forgotten the doc's name.)

Not a good sign....

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:51 | 432112 Running on Empty
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Servers Bitchez !!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:20 | 432195 I need more asshats
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Seriously. Get daddy to buy you a few. Squid the firewall cuz who's going to hack the hedge.

Network and server management might be a better investment.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:14 | 432372 Arkadaba
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Not sure what zerohedge is currently using but my company is using EC2 for one web application with high volume (but lots of spikes) and have found it economical and very easy to use:

Before recommending this I went to quantcast to get an idea of this zerohedge's traffic (higher than I expected) and love the the summary of the typical user - not me! Well except for Vanity Fair and more educated ;)

This site reaches over 644K monthly people, of which 436K (68%) are in the U.S. The site appeals to a predominantly male, more affluent, 50+, more educated audience.The typical visitor reads, invests at, and subscribes to Vanity Fair.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:10 | 432502 CD
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There is a slight problem with retaining control and independence of the site (and its contents) if it's hosted in the US. Think about it, even without Hon. Lieberman's current proposal out there. Not to mention AMZ terms of service. I will take the occasional downtimes over permanent takedown anytime.


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:49 | 432565 Arkadaba
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Good point - I didn't think about that

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:28 | 432651 Arkadaba
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Understand the Zurich phone number now. 

Another suggestion though - sorry if you have heard it before ;) In the comments when a link is posted, it should launch a new window. Right now any link posted opens up a site in the same frame which means the user leaves Zerohedge

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:59 | 432682 CD
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Take a look at this link.

Just click on the 'Disable rich text' and edit your post with the HTML code.

If it bothers you, then just right-click on the links and choose 'open link in new tab'. I am pretty sure the site proprietor will not have time or inclination to edit each and every URL posted in the comments.

You may also want to check out: this quick tutorial.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:01 | 432760 Arkadaba
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yes i know how to force my browser to do certain things -  should not be necessary - any web designer worth his or her salt knows how to direct traffic.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:33 | 432816 CD
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At the risk of sounding rude: quit yer whining.

As a point of debate: you seem to fail to grasp that the comments are posted by the readers, not the site designer/admin. The shell for the site is a standard one, and if you have a specific suggestion (including the necessary code) on how to modify the structure of the comment section, please by all means send it to "Tyler".

With the amount of difficulty using the other button on your mouse (or its equivalent on a Mac) poses, I am surprised you got this far.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 00:01 | 432874 Arkadaba
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lol Mr CD - I sometimes do do a lot of work with user interface - sorry if I am picky :)

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 00:12 | 432900 CD
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We're all picky, I suppose, esp. if it's a topic close to our hearts/professions. My point was merely that in light of being offered the content and discussion that is on ZH, this was a trivial detail. You should have seen it when unregistered commenters were allowed to post...

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 00:28 | 432933 Arkadaba
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lol Mr CD - I sometimes do do a lot of work with user interface - sorry if I am picky :) and there is something wrong with you

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:36 | 432424 Troublehoff
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if there wasn't so much embedded css and javascript in these pages and the images were served from another throttled box maybe ZH wouln't need any more servers..


Software Bitchez!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:38 | 432431 Troublehoff
Troublehoff's picture I come to ZH for the comments as much as the articles but do they really need this many comments per page?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:36 | 432826 CD
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If you were to look, you may notice a drop-down window below the comment section (just above the 'Add Comment' window) for selecting how many comments per page you want to see at a time. If your gripe is with the # of comments per article, I am out of suggestions.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:55 | 432114 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Thank you ZH for maintaining focus of all things during these troubled times.  For those who do not think that these issues are pertinent for concerning economics, wake up!

"Perhaps the one good thing to come out of the worst ecological disaster in world history will be the sudden, and jarring awakening from the generational slumber for most of America, and a long overdue overhaul of a broken political and economic system."

Sort of like France when Katla erupted the last time?  Viva la rev!

The gulf States should have been evacuated immediately.

And not forcibly, and yes hoping that we could afford financing.  I know, I know....this may not have been feasible concerning these recent economic struggles.  Just sayin'.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:19 | 432194 Cursive
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Wow, I haven't read one "This-is-the-kind-of-post-that-tarnishes-ZH's-credibility" yet on this thread.  These were the same people who pooh-poohed a possible BP bankruptcy a month ago.  I guess some people just have to go through every stage of the Kubler-Ross process while others are open to new and unconventional ideas.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:22 | 432204 Gully Foyle
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There you go.

It really needs to become a stamp or T-shirt.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:29 | 432238 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Are you saying that it is such?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:37 | 432253 Gully Foyle
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Mr Lennon Hendrix

Are you saying that it is such?

Yes I would like T-shirts with that slogan. Maybe temporary tattoos.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:40 | 432262 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Gully Foyle

This is the type that epitomizes ZH's credibility.  Quote me.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:48 | 432288 Cursive
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LOL.  I admit I have a difficult time understanding Gully.  What about a design like:

                     (Gully's face here)






Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:23 | 432207 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Not on this one yet.  But there are always dudes who come on here and ask, "Hey Ty, stick to economics...yuck yuck yuck."  And the funny thing is, the economy is everything combined, even thoughts and breathes.  Butterfly Effect and what not; this and especially since the economy is as fragile as a butterfly.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:51 | 432294 Cheeky Bastard
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You are an idiot due to the following:

a) linking Kubler-Ross to anything connected to financial markets and BP especially

b) BP is not going to go BK UNTIL ALL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS are explored [think spin-off, LBO etc etc]

c) thinking there is any emotion vested in a position by the people who can actually move the markets

d) most of the "uncovential ideas" I read in the comments are pretty conventional, so FAIL

 I agree with you on the "This-is-the-kind-of-post-that-tarnishes-ZH's-credibility" comments.

But think before you write; please; I know rants are almost equivalent to trashing Chinese shit with a baseball bat; but rarely acomplish anything.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but the constant recycling of the same shit in the comment section just fucking pollutes said comment section. Stop with the fucking rants already. How many times do you think one needs to recycle "oh the Jews, the GS, the banksters, the Rothschild's, the omnipotent corporations, the omnipotent government blah blah blah"; god fucking dammit, we all get it OK; we all fucking get it so no need to write it in every goddamn comment.

Jesus; its like a bunch or rambling monkey on acid.

Now, freely, junk away.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:03 | 432329 Howard_Beale
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LOL...Lay down on the couch, Cheeky.
Tell me about your rambling monkeys on acid experiences. Better yet, post a contributor piece to get that moron MHFT off the top of the page.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:57 | 432484 Cheeky Bastard
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MHFT is a certified idiot, but that wont make me write shit until July 12th. Then is when WC is finishing. Until then, silenzio stampa. Also, people who need [hint; no one] to hear what Ive got to say know where to find me. I just cant read anymore of the same recycled comments. Not because of what is written in them [I agree mostly with what commentators try to say] but because there is not novelty in them; its same old same old.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:09 | 432709 velobabe
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jeeze ZH study of patience.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 11:19 | 433669 RichardENixon
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Prediction on Germany vs. England please Cheeky.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:03 | 432337 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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We are the all singing all dancing crap of the world; and this is our crap, and it is floating in the ocean.  And anyway these fuckers spin the market, it is all coming down.  Sound the alarms, monkeys!  This shit is coming down!!!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:06 | 432340 I need more asshats
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Shut up you jewish monkey!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:29 | 432409 MsCreant
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Oh Shit! You've done it now. I'll check back. This shit should be pure, acid tripping, space monkey entertainment.

Whoop that ass!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:36 | 432425 Mark McGoldrick
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Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:39 | 432433 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Jewish Monkey?

Where I'm from, them fightn' words.

I'd rather carry 2 tons of potato pancakes in the back of my King Rancher, than be called a Jewish Monkey. 


Jesus/Palin 2012

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:57 | 432689 akak
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"Jesus/Palin 2012"

But where is the vice-presidential candidate on your bumper sticker?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:47 | 432456 Cursive
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@Cheeky Bastard

Nice calling me an idiot.  You really raised the level of discourse with that post.  Try to be less hypocritical in future, as in, uh, that little bitchfest you wrote was NOT a rant:

But think before you write; please; I know rants are almost equivalent to trashing Chinese shit with a baseball bat; but rarely acomplish anything.

Maybe you're just too much of a little bitch to read without your own cheekiness in your ear, but I wasn't ranting.  That was me responding to LH.  Don't like me talking to LH?  Then move your cheeky ass the fuck on.

I'm not trying to be a dick here

Major FAIL.  Also, I don't write about Jews or the Rothschilds.  GS or the banksters?  Yeah, when TD posts about GS or the banksters.  I won't junk you because I don't junk people; you can only junk yourself and you've done a fine job of that with your "rambling monkey on acid" diatribe.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:37 | 432546 Marla And Me
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You're hilarious, you know that right?  If you ever get tired of economics and finance, I'll pay to watch your stand up.  Thanks for the breath of fresh air.  Now I'm stuck visualizing "a bunch o[f] rambling monkey on acid." 

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:16 | 432719 arnoldsimage
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i miss wallstreetpro :(

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:23 | 432206 Jean Valjean
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I'm one who does not think these issues are nearly as important as they are prominent on zerohedge.

"The gulf states should have been evacuated immediately."  This has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard in my life.

I'm not sayin this isn't unfortunate and important, I'm just sayin that in the grand scheme people fixate on disasters like this and give them more weight than they deserve.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:32 | 432232 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Wow.  And how is it not important in so many ways?  Financially, BP could go bankrupt, that could be a huge loss to the financials and many other elements of the market.  Also, the fact that many jobs will be lost, as TD pointed out, another economic factor.  And you think I am being overly dramatic?  Well, you need to do your homework.  There could be a huge loss of life, liberty and justice involved in this happening.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:33 | 432246 Jean Valjean
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Do you and others commenting realize that the high levels of methane are in the water not the air?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:43 | 432271 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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It is in the water, and in the air.  Maybe not at the same degree.  You know what smell is don't you?  When you can smell something that means it is present.  Babies and developing children are being forced due to our governments incompetence to breathe this fowl air.  Get a hurricane whipped up and the stuff may fall from the sky, if it isn't already.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:06 | 432342 Jean Valjean
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Apples and oranges.  My guess is that the highest concentrations are near the well... good guess no?  My second guess is that the concentrations drop the further you get from the well... another good guess?

I wouldn't suggest you get in a boat and go investigate that area, it might smell funny.  I'd also imagine there are some beaches in Louisiana that stink.  People should probably not go to those beaches if they have sensative noses.

Like I said, all this is a shame.  It will inturrupt peoples livelyhood, that's the worst part.  But to pretend it's Pompei is silly.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:13 | 432363 WaterWings
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Now there's a strawman if I ever saw one!

Interrupt livelihoods? Heh heh. How about megadeath:

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:20 | 432383 Jean Valjean
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Pompei a strawman and you introduce MEGADEATH.

I think 12 have died in the initial explosion.  You are exactly .0012 percent there.

I can't tell who is serious and who is sarcastic.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:45 | 432447 WaterWings
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Pompei = apple = ~10,000 human deaths

GoM = orange = flora/fauna/human oil-coated, benzene-choked, heavy-metaled, starvation-induced, social-upheaval megadeath


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:47 | 432457 WaterWings
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:28 | 432648 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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WW looks over the trench.  A bullet whips over his left ear; he ducks!  He looks down and sees his rocket launcher, he sets his rifle down.

"Now let's see if we can't have some fun."  He says.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:20 | 432386 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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OK good guess.  OK good guess.  Are you going to add anything?  Are you going to tell me I'm wrong?  Tell me I'm wrong?  Tell me that this isn't dangerous?  Tell me people are free to do as they please.  Tell that to the fishermen.  Tell that to the reefs!  Tell that to Gaia!  We need her, don't you see?  We need our mother and we are laying her to waste!  And then we act like cowards hoping....YES HOPING....that this does not affect our everyday life (as in breathing and eating, never mind networking and entertaining).  Livelyhood?  That is all????  Wow.  Find harmony in resonance before; this you will need to do.  And at what point do we say enough is enough.  How about no babies smell the toxic fumes?  How about no one is poisoned? 

Sensitive noses?  You make light of a travesty how dare you!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:42 | 432440 Jean Valjean
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I'm not making light of it and I said it WAS important in my initial post, not that it WASN'T important.  All I said is that people fixate on disasters.

Although this is man-caused, it is very similar to a natural disaster.  Crude oil is natural.  Gaia manufactured it.  We spilled it and it is unfortunate.

You sound like you live somewhere in the Gulf and you are worried.  Yes, depending on where you live I imagine it could impact your everyday life and that is horrible.  My point is that this article is about methane levels IN THE WATER.  Sea life will die...that's horrible, then it will rebound...that's fantastic.  The oil will not kill you or any babies.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:24 | 432526 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I am not in the gulf.  This is not personal.

Sea life will die, but we will not see it rebound for decades.  In the meantime, move along?  I think not.  Huge change is acomin'.  It is on our doorstep.  It will flatten those not ready.  Best be ready, mentally, spiritually, and physically.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:57 | 432586 Jean Valjean
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OK, you just sounded worried.  I agree, the gulf won't clean itself up for decades.

I also agree that changes are coming.  It's just that I save my ire for those people doing wrong INTENTIONALLY.  And I'm sure I'll get junked for this but I don't think BP did this intentionally.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:19 | 432631 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I care not if they meant to, doesn't matter.  Look at what they did!  The end justifies the means and they were not prudent in their endeavors; the US gov as well for that matter.  This is a big event, a monumental event.  It will change, tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives directly.  Then spin that off and we have millions of people affected directly or indirectly.  Everything from food to tourism, from breathing to eating.  It's all gone!  And BP did it under the watch of our belligerent government.

And I am worried!  Whats it got to do with me?  We are all in this together.  So let's get it together!!!

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 03:36 | 433134 DollarMenu
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But BP WAS intent of doing this well on the cheap.

Those intentions activated caused the mess.

Good to see you hoarding that ire, however.

You'll need it.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 00:09 | 432896 Howard_Beale
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So the oil will not kill any babies. I'm so glad you have it all figured out. Maybe this is our population control method.

How the fuck do you know when this will end?  What about the high probability that any hurricane will push the oil further ashore into farmland and create a toxic cesspool. Personally, I think we have too many disasters to fixate on to call this one big rubbernecking event. The Fed, the economy, Europe, etc. are all disasters in the making of this giant clusterfuck. So yeah, we pay attention to the mess in the Gulf because most of us see it as part of a much bigger disaster.

Thanks for your wisdom. It is not a SPILL. It is a gushing volcano of oil. A spill happens on the kitchen floor or when a tanker spills its oil. Not when a well with the potentional for a billion barrels of oil is out of control with the minute possibility that relief well #1 will hit the G-spot. Or that the core of the well is compromised and the oil just keeps bleeding up through the seabed.

As for rebounded sealife--like bottom feeders from the Gulf? I will never eat one for the rest of my life. Why, you ask? Because they are eating petroleum for breakfast. I personally don't fancy petroleum for breakfast, lunch or dinner.  

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:23 | 432394 bingaling
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Hey Jean qu-est-que ton problem ? I am tired of posting this link but I suggest you read it .

Sat, 06/26/2010 - 00:47 | 432470 Arkadaba
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tu es stupid?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:42 | 432441 Screwloose
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Methane has no scent - that's why it's so dangerous in underground mining tunnels. 

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:09 | 432352 WaterWings
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And what is this?

Because on Wednesday — a beautiful summer day that seemed perfect if you looked only up and not down — Pensacola Beach was ugly. And it stunk. And to most everyone who came down to the shore to see the damage with their own disbelieving eyes, it was heartbreaking.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:22 | 432392 merehuman
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Cows fart, methane rises.

Gulf farts methane stays in the water according to Jean Valjean.

And i have always kept it in my pants

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:34 | 432248 velobabe
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well it is about a A public company or publicly traded company is a company that has permission to offer its registered securities (stock, bonds, etc.) for sale to the general public, typically through a stock exchange, or occasionally a company whose stock is traded over the counter (OTC) via market makers who use non-exchange quotation services.

so if i were contemplating investing in BP, i sure as hell would want to know about this shit. i got rid of my XOM after valdez. jeeze go global, dude. kiss kiss to you mr. lennon†

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:51 | 432295 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Full moon tonight, gots my blood running....

Economics is in everything and that is why it is ridiculous to seperate it from things.  Planting a garden, economics.  Exchanging goods for services, economics.  Using water, economics.  Getting a whole sea and possibly an ocean covered in filth?  Economics.  How can people not understand this?  Oh wait, I know....the is high above us, rising and falling in it's destiny.  No, we do not covet, for we are seperate entities, but pulled pulled pulled towards her mounting embrace.

Finger Pointing to the Moon - Bruce Lee:

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:02 | 432448 velobabe
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bitch slapped again.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:24 | 432640 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Does she rise and know she does?

Does she move and feel her epic? 

An epoch waits and joins her soon.

For each day I breathe, I wait; new moon.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:40 | 432838 Cathartes Aura
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not to be pedantic Mr. Hendrix (I really wanted to type that line, ha), but the "full moon tonight" is actually a lunar eclipse early Saturday morning. . . which means we all still get a "Friday" to experience the emotional gyrations. . . I would be surprised if Friday didn't hold some. . . surprises.

"don't go 'round tonight. . . there's a bad moon on the rise. . ."

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:35 | 432251 Gully Foyle
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Mr Lennon Hendrix

"Also, the fact that many jobs will be lost, as TD pointed out, another economic factor."

Like what office staff?

Won't the oil rig side be sold intact and much of the staff kept?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:45 | 432276 -Michelle-
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:36 | 432426 Mad Max
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Venezuela = vuvuzela of the Americas

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:48 | 432287 WaterWings
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@ Mr. LH,

The gulf States should have been evacuated immediately.

My thoughts exactly until I read Dburn's post this morning:

It's  symptomatic of a change in Society that intensified by an order of magnitude since the depression started. People who aren't directly affected just don't give a shit enough to act on it. People in govt are not known for showing initiative or speaking out if they have been told to be quiet. "I'm thinking of my family" will be the primary excuse for silence. If your family is dying from air quality, are you still  thinking of your family? Maybe when people start dropping and dying we might see some reaction but it will be localized. A demonstration in Washington then a quick flight home for the Limousine liberals to watch soccer practice. No one will go down there unless they live there or they are getting paid a shit load of money with the right equipment...


The only time we will see serious people action is when large scale deaths occur and they occur inland to white people with money. Then fear of death and real legal talent overrides everything else...


Contaminated rain that kills people by the scores or starts huge fires might gets some people off their ass as long as the people affected are white and with money. The whole country is slowly having a large group sociopathic conversion commonly referred to as "fuck em, I got mine" or "fuck em, I'm getting mine" or "fuck em, I can't afford to lose mine" or "fuck em just because it's fun".

Considering the impossible enormity of a mass evacuation, and the bumbling, corrupt nature of our gov't, I'd say Dburn is thinking pretty clearly.

So what will be done? Nothing. "Fuck 'em." 

It's up to the locals to prepare themselves. It will be easier to contain troublemakers with SWAT teams and roadblocks then to actually announce the South is now a massive Superfund. It's horrific. Only the connected will escape.


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:57 | 432309 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yes, exactly, and thus why I used the rhetoric.  I was thinking about how I could be misconstrued last night; 'but LH, you don't like big gov, and now you want them to...?'

I am being idealistic, dreaming....

You see, in a perfect world, the ONLY THING THE GOV WOULD DO, would be to fund evac plans.  And they would not be forced, like "Hey here is "monie" from the Tres. to help these poor babies not breathe the gases for a few months while we clean up this mess."

But yeah, totally, our gov would fuck up the relocation process in earnest....KATRINA, dig? 

But yes, that being said, people should move themselves out of there pronto!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:02 | 432328 WaterWings
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Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:43 | 432443 merehuman
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I second or third that!

Get the hell out! Cant hardly believe folks would rather lose their lives then their friggen possessions.


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:46 | 432560 Hephasteus
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Well that's the problem with life. Everyone talks about peace and respect and living together but you still die anyway. Now where did I put my I heart violence t-shirt.

Now let's just sit back and watch the powers that be try to convince the dumb animals (military) that they will have to take the blame for everything and should focus on conquering everybody before they have to pay for what they've done. Then watch the dumb animals take a smart dump and a brilliant piss.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:15 | 432376 Common_Cents22
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Hell, the mayor and Gov of Louisiana didn't even evacuate when they had several days notice of a major hurricane.  I remember the pix of the buses left to sit waist deep in water, unused in a parking lot.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:30 | 432477 velobabe
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Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:53 | 432120 ElCapitanNemo
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As I have shared before:

Starting soon and over the remainder of this year the oil volcano will place pressures of irresistible magnitude on the populace forcing the relocation of tens of millions of Americans, creating chaos in America. Poison air and gas clouds will be visible even within the mainstream media.  -HPH
June 26-28 Gulf coast/Florida region, thunderstorms deluges, tornadoes/waterspouts, followed by flooding later.  Tropical Storm forecast with 80% confidence. - Piers Corbyn (weatheraction)
The currency crash/unemployment wave kicks off beginning June 28, with markets shaking quaking event.  The currency woes of July will build to a crisis point of insurmountable proportions by August 1, and the crushing economic reality will come shining through for all to see. This summer will be the absolute last peak in the markets structure, while this fall will be three months of vomiting. The summer debt explosions go to such heights as to create massive overwhelming hyper-inflation in Fall that sweeps across countries globally with such ferocity bringing down governments. Riots and mob unrest will become a regular news story as the currencies are shredded publicly and planetary panic to buy precious metals overwhelms the censors in the propaganda press. June 28 provides the flood word for the precious metals, as well as the floating away of silver from gold. New reorganized currencies will not gain support and will be laughed at when introduced. The metals, especially silver, will from June 28 onward express their own destiny separate from the currencies. -HPH

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:11 | 432173 Gully Foyle
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I would buy cable just to watch that daily. God I hope there is a reality show.

Relocation would be fucking interesting. Fishermen would head where, west coast? Others up north. Talk about culture shock, whitey pissed about Mexicans suddenly faces an influx of Southerners to boot.

Changes, turn and face the strange...

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:13 | 432712 Rebel
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People don't like southerners? Just asking

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:35 | 432742 ElCapitanNemo
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I love southerners, I use to live in Columbia SC, great place.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 00:24 | 432925 Howard_Beale
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Yeah, that Alvin Greene is a winner! Check out his interview on CNN.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:31 | 432243 Josey Wales
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Don't repost HPH stuff, they work hard enough as it is without having to scrub out circular references.  Give a hoot, don't pollute (the data stream).

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 03:42 | 433139 DollarMenu
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Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:48 | 432458 merehuman
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Superb fictional account . I loved it tho the timing may be slower.

I did not junk you, but those who did have no appreciation of your imagination.

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