Gulf Methane Levels 1 Million Times Above Normal Are Depleting Oxygen And Creating Marine Dead Zones

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Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:46 | 432098 UGrev
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Gas masks, Bitchez!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:10 | 432167 Mad Max
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Silly peon.  BP's just testing their new seawater-based delivery system.  Be ready to pay BP each time you visit the ocean - they're coming out with their own counterpart to the DMCA to make sure you pay or go to debtor's prison.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:29 | 432235 almost_have_a_name
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Power boats and Jet skis don't need fuel tanks anymore !


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:38 | 432260 Mad Max
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Much like water wells in PA are becoming combined water/gas wells.  All you need is an water/oil/gas separator and a single well can heat your house and provide you with drinking water (after running through 20 or so reverse-osmosis stages).  All for less cost than a B2 stealth bomber!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:45 | 432275 Howard_Beale
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And Wyoming, Texas, and Colorado--all shown in Gasland on HBO in which GG was kind enough to post a picture from on a previous thread.

However, the gas is not the real problem, Max. It's the 565+ fracking chemicals like benzene and other carcinogens that are getting in the water supply as well.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:52 | 432297 Mad Max
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A relative of mine is a groundwater geologist living in CO, so I have some idea of what you speak.

I wouldn't say the gas is not the real problem, I would say it's not the only problem.  It is quite possible to have drinking water (from a well) that is contaminated with the fracking chemicals but not with gas.  That's a big problem, requiring you to truck in water or possibly get an expensive filtering system.  But it's also possible to have basically clean water that's contaminated with enough gas to be flammable, and that's a serious problem too - you can't continue to use that water without some safe way to remove the gas.  Either one can be fatal to your well, and of course you may win the lottery and get both at once.

Gasland appears to be a great documentary, and I hope it will get an audience.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:57 | 432308 Howard_Beale
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Here's a link to chemicals in Colorado found in fracking. I agree that gas is a very serious problem..espcially if you are bathing in it and drinking it every day.

It is on HBO on demand all month if you know someone who gets it. It is also open at 2 NYC theaters and being shown throughout the Marcellus Shales in select towns.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:40 | 432548 velobabe
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A relative of mine is a groundwater geologist living in CO

ask him about shale water. please, get back to me. i couldn't find a gd groundwater geologist that knew much about this nasty sulfur shit black water. they all lie and say it can be filtered. lies and more lies. colorado has huge shale reserves of everything apparently, water, gas fucking fracking.

i trucked in water, i filtered, expensive analysis. guess good thing i got rid of the third world i called home, in the rah rah realty days of '06. living without water, adapted. guess what, i hate to shower.


Marcellus Shales ruined my fucking life.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:38 | 432663 trav7777
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are you getting prude?  Where are dem titties

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:35 | 432743 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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peak titties.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:38 | 432550 gasmiinder
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:23 | 432796 Howard_Beale
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I live on the border of NY/PA and know people within 15 miles of here that can light their water on the last 6 months they started to smell gas in their bathwater, are getting sick, and can't sell their property now because they hit the front page of the newspaper. Gee, what a little coincidence that Chesapeake drilled a half mile from their house and claims it was a pre-existing condition since it wasn't within 1/4 of a mile of the fracking.

Nice little gas co propaganda site you got there. I suggest you buy some property in PA in the areas where they are drilling the most and have a nice short life.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:33 | 432815 tip e. canoe
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it's really a shame howard cuz that area would be a lovely place to have a farm.


get some jersey greensand and/or fuller's earth to use.
not perfect, but better than dead...

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 23:36 | 432813 GoinFawr
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Interesting gasmiinder, but ultimately just a whole lot of circumlocution and some obfuscation; no 'debunking' really worth mentioning going on at that link. eg. I've got some mere 'household' chemicals for ya to taste, but you'll be wanting to have your will all sorted before imbibing even a millilitre of some of 'em.

I'll be saving that one for reference though, so thanks.



Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:57 | 432314 Turd Ferguson
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TD: This is the 2nd thread today that originated from a link I had earlier posted. I'm sick of doing all the heavy lifting for you, MackDaddy. Keep it up and I'm gonna insist you rename the site TurdHedge!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:27 | 432405 TuesdayBen
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You'll be pleased to know that remains available for sale

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:44 | 432555 Turd Ferguson
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And...its much better than ZeroTurd, which sounds rather like a colorectal issue.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:48 | 432677 akak
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Talk about anal-retentive!

Didn't I hear something about John Wayne having had a zeroturd problem?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:00 | 432692 DeeDeeTwo
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I'll bet Mr. Turd knows a thing or two about methane gas, baby.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:48 | 432103 Citizen of an I...
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Kessler said oxygen depletions have not reached a critical level yet...


For only three letters, that's a pretty damn big word right there.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:49 | 432106 Teaser
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um, old news, several years old.  Dead zone in the gulf has been there for years. 

and, could we please please invest in some new goddamn servers?  keep the economy going and pick up some new blades!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:52 | 432115 Freebird
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I`ll match you dollar for dollar on your ZH donation. Serious. 

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:56 | 432311 genieous
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Just donated $25.  Not much but time to pay up, FB

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:52 | 432116 Cognitive Dissonance
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Please back that request up with a donation. Thank you.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:56 | 432135 Freebird
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Come in Teaser your time is up.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:11 | 432172 Freebird
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ZH Admin - other payment methods? Paypal not acceptable this far south of the border. 

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:26 | 432223 velobabe
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S  L  I  D  E to be word of the day.


Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:32 | 432417 TuesdayBen
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I'm long unemployed, huge underwater mortgage, etc etc blah blah blah, but I'll chip in a donation if there is some way to pay by other than the execrable PayPal.  Google payments?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:55 | 432304 genieous
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Donation done.  Not much but something.  Rock on!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:11 | 432170 Mad Max
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What's another gigantic new dead zone among friends, anyway?

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:38 | 432257 chistletoe
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GOM dead zone, from 2008:


...and, from the "Science Museum of Minnesota"

here is the official Gulf of Mexico Dead Zone website,

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 15:51 | 432111 Cognitive Dissonance
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I really wish I had saved or cached the link because I can no longer find an AP story discussing BP and hurricanes. In it some fool was saying that the good news about a hurricane would be that it would stir up the waters and dilute the oil and gas as well as mix oxygen into the water column.

I swear to God this was what it said. Never again will I read such amazing spin and not cache the link. Never.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:10 | 432165 Cursive
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I don't know why you waited until 3 weeks and 3 days ago to come into our lives.  :)

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:58 | 432317 Cognitive Dissonance
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While I always lament losing an old time ZH regular, occasionally a real gem takes their place and immediately contributes in every sense of the word.

Thank you -Michelle-

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:26 | 432399 Cursive
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I miss Green Sharts.  He was different and usually challenged the antinomian or wildly anti-establishment thoughts expressed here.  There are others, notably a few old Ritholtz hands that didn't stay around, but I miss Green Sharts the most.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:00 | 432598 -Michelle-
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Thank you both!

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:09 | 432164 Cognitive Dissonance
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Could have been. Amazing logic. I understand the basic premise is to dilute the oil, but when we get to the point where we're cheering on a hurricane to try to save the GoM, we've collectively jumped the shark into total insanity.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:14 | 432177 Cursive
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I work with a bunch of engineers, or should I say God's gift to mankind.  Anyway, the lead engineer was talking a month ago about how a hurricane would be the best thing because of the dispersal/dilutive effect.  Yesterday, he was agreeing that we could have condensate precipitation (more precise term for "oil rain").  Some people get so caught up in the mechanics of a problem, they fail to grasp the consequences of the solution.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:10 | 432361 Cognitive Dissonance
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"I work with a bunch of engineers, or should I say God's gift to mankind."

I have (had) a casual acquaintance who is an engineering gift from God. At least he thinks so. Anyway, one day as I suffered through an anal explanation of the poor stitching on his new mattress (I swear to God he had just bought a new mattress and was near tears about the poor quality of the top of the mattress stitching job) I finally turned to his wife and asked her what it was like to make love to an engineer?

She laughed so hard her soda came out of her nose. After she regained her ability to speak, all she would say while hubby was glaring at her (and I) was that I didn't want to know. Needless to say I've never been invited back, though the wife called me a few days later to tell that he's particularly meticulous with the "process". :>)

BTW I probably shouldn't talk about "anal" after publishing a 42,000 word, 108 page, 5 chapter essay. :>)

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:29 | 432411 Cursive
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L-O-L.  You literally got me into trouble as I burst into laughter in my office.  Thank God for alt-tab and quick excuses.  :D

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:50 | 432464 Uncle Remus
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Frickin' priceless.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 20:23 | 432733 arnoldsimage
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+1. funny stuff

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 00:54 | 432976 StychoKiller
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Hey, Engineers created the very internet and PC you're using to dis them -- show some respect.

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:25 | 432643 e_goldstein
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doctors kill people one at a time. engineers by hundreds and thousands.

Fri, 06/25/2010 - 08:08 | 433291 fajensen
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Damn Right - So don't you lot get uppity or we send some machine round to your house, kill you, your neighbours, whatever bystanders there may be (innocent or not) AND justify the mess by having your scorched remains labelled "Taliban" (much easier to attract funding if we label every dead person "Taliban" - it's like the spear of Odin that never, ever misses).

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:26 | 432224 Gully Foyle
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:00 | 432324 Cognitive Dissonance
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Which one is you? :>)

Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:32 | 432244 WaterWings
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Of everyone I've ever met in my life I would imagine you the most qualified (integrity + knowledge) to indicate that moment.

"Are we there yet?" LOL.

Thanks for everything, CD.

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