Hacker Collective Anonymous Issues Open Letter To Citizens Of The United States

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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:00 | 1093399 iwokeup
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Captain Larry T. Bridgewater will save us.

Gold! Jerry! GOLD!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:05 | 1093425 Harmonious_Diss...
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"other like-minded individuals" is this a psy-op to get us on some list for later disposal as "extreminsts"? The media would portray anon. as a terrorist group, we are in a George Orwell novel?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:17 | 1093493 john39
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Psyop. All part of the Zionist show. The fed will now get thrown under the bus, it's job complete. Now comes the collapse, the theft complete.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:31 | 1093552 4shzl
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Join the 'Merican INTIFADA now!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:14 | 1093902 the mad hatter
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END THE FED.

LET THE BIG BANKS FAIL.

the leeches (banks) have taken over the host (society). we must fight this infection.

the banks get the big spenders elected who get the united states more in debt and more at the mercy and control of the bankers who loan and make the money.

i am tired of paying 45% tax (35% Federal + 10% State) just to service old debt.

I AM TIRED OF USING FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES. WHERE ARE THE UNITED STATES NOTES?

END THE FED.

LET THE BIG BANKS FAIL.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:00 | 1094005 Harlequin001
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The banks are not the enemy, they are supposed to facilitate the dispersal of spare capital from those who have it to those who have a use for it.

The problem is government in deficit, because it is this that grants the banks special privileges in everything including truth so that government can have someone or something to sell debt to. It is government that has the ability to gift everything you have and everything you will ever have to whoever or whatever it pleases in the cause of the best interests of the country because it is the government you elect that dictates the terms under which you can own stuff.

The alternative is a sovereign default.

When you vote for politicians with a mandate to spend more than you earn you deserve everything you get.

There are two ultimate requirements, one to to remove the ability of the banking system to create money and the most important to stop governments running deficits, which we won't do because that's how every lazy idle shit on the planet get's his free lunch, welfare and because that's how we pay for our aircraft carriers.

We neither need nor want and end to the banks, they simply need to function once more merely as banks. We need political leaders with an idea of how to run a country within a budget. It has been a magical time for politicians who promised everything without any idea how to pay for it.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:01 | 1094031 redpill
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You make the mistake in thinking the government and the banks are separate.  Today, they are not.  They are one.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:54 | 1094112 Harlequin001
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It's not a mistake, without banks all governments would now fail...

We need them to be separate again...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:01 | 1094443 TumblingDice
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Without banks certain individuals would lose the legitimacy of their use of violence? I find that hard to believe.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:52 | 1094851 Agent P
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Sincere apologies for jumping in at the top of the thread, but I just wanted to warn people about the link.  When I clicked on it, it bounced out to Scribed, then to another location, then popped up what appeared to be one of those fake virus warnings and started running a "Windows Security Scan", so it appears someone may have added a little something extra to the page.  I quickly shut it down and am running real virus/malware scans just to be safe.

Read what's posted here on ZH, but DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK!

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 23:49 | 1111561 Harlequin001
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Not sure how banks legitimise the use of violence, foment it yes, fund it yes, but legitimise?

explain please...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 06:41 | 1094279 falak pema
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But it's the banks who lead in MINDSET and POWER. Greed is good...and the politicians follow the gravy train..."We can't lose anyways 'cos we got the nuke, the world Duke and the reserve green back...period. Pass me the pastry please...and f*** those who missed this gravy train".

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 23:55 | 1111577 Harlequin001
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falak:I think it depends on your viewpoint. I believe that politicians are elected by the people ergo those most successful are the one's that promise the most. The banks foment this by buying their debt. Govt has worked with the banks to enable banks access to your money at lower costs for their own ends by taking away all consumer protection in favour of the banks.

If you believe its the other way round and that we are the victims of a banker led conspiracy I cannot argue with that...

But I am keen to hear any new information you might have that might support your view...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:28 | 1094348 themiestro
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He also makes the mistake of thinking that the leaders we choose don't all have a very similar agenda, so there really is no "choice."  The red and blue teams are actually a purple team, just under the guise of red and blue.

Mon, 03/28/2011 - 23:57 | 1111582 Harlequin001
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Miestro I am not aware that I have made that mistake, since it is contrary to my view.

The mistake is yours old stick...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:42 | 1094809 cocoablini
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Money lender class is always an evil necessity- and when economies go bad the politicians ramp up the bad bad blood between the money class nd the borrowing class.the political class is more to blame for this mess, but will throw the money class under the bus.
This happens throughout history. Rome, midages,Germany before WW2.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 00:02 | 1111584 Harlequin001
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Coco I think that when it all goes wrong the money lenders keep quiet and the peasants self destruct...

Perhaps it is because not one in 10,000 peasants actually understands how a global economy works. ergo, they blame everything and anything and they fight...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:56 | 1094116 CH1
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Yeah, the banks ARE the enemy.

No, not your local baker - he's probably fine. But the central bankers? Yes, they are.

Think about it - they gave these bozos a monopoly on the creation of money... someone thought this was a good idea? Had they utterly forgotten that power corrupts? 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 03:26 | 1094140 Harlequin001
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CH1 it was government that gave the banks the power to create money in the first place as a means to more cheaply fund its own borrowing costs. It is only government that can remove it.

It needs to be removed.

Banks are no more than glorified venture capital/private equity funds, but with higher risk because thise who fund it (savers) can take their money out.

The problem lies not with the banks...

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:40 | 1094175 d_senti
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The problem is that you're conflating banking as a system - which is necessary and even good - with our current banks and bank(st)ers, who are not.

The government gave them that power because they controlled enough of the government to get it from them. Read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" and you'll see how they planned to use their influence on Congress to take a power that rightfully belongs only to the US government.

Your definition of banks is what banks SHOULD be, not what they ARE today. Our banking system is broken, the people running it are largely amoral (that is, evil), and it needs to be dismantled on multiple levels. When people decry the bankers, that is what they are talking about, not the mere concept of banking. Nearly everyone on ZH is, I'm sure, fine with the existence of mere banks, so long as they don't become the monstrosities of today.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:10 | 1094203 the mad hatter
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Right on. The old "United States Notes" were issued debt-free by the treasury.

 

Our new "Federal Reserve Notes" come with interest and are obligations of the U.S. government. Therefore, under the current regime of money creation, without the national debt there would be no money.

 

The Fed buys bonds to fund government spending with money it makes out of thin air. Instantly, the U.S. government's money has interest attached to it- interest that has to be paid by future generations through taxation.

 

The government is a slave to the banksters. We are slaves to the government. Ergo, we are the bankers' slaves.

 

Toil away, minions. Keep on running on the rat wheel without seeing who put you on there.

 

Central Banks and the income tax need to be abolished. The power to issue currency needs to go back to the treasury.

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 00:10 | 1111608 Harlequin001
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d_senti we are not going to get past this point. The banks are separate but they now work closely together, that I will agree, and too closely in many instances. The people are amoral, of that I also agree, but a grand conspiracy to coerce government?

I just don't see how having got these new powers the banks forced the US govt to spend all this cash. It's far more believable that politicians will always spend more than they have so they can tell you how good they've been. If that means they build one more carrier to create jobs in an election year, so be it, and the first place they turn is the treasury, but the idea that the government is forced to spend money by the banks doesn't wash...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:41 | 1094177 Bartanist
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Hmmm ... don't think so.

It was a few bankers who corrupted a few politicians and then rammed through an illegal bill to create the Fed when most of Congress had already gone home for Christmas.

I am not sure how borrowing costs became cheaper with the Fed. Before the Fed (back to Jackson) the government created its own money. Recall the Greenback that Lincoln created. How is paying interest to a privately owned bank (the Fed) on an impossible to repay amount of debt, created out of thin air by the bank, less expensive than a government creating its own currency?

Sure, the privately owned central bank monopoly is the largest curse on this world, all of the governments and all of the people. It needs to be broken up.

Banks are parasitic distributors of debt and money created out of thin air that use their power to create money to bully and buy everything. They only create debt servitude. They are parasites. They may be like venture capital/private equity funds that parasitially use something that is not theirs to control and tax everything in the world. They have zero risk because they can create all of the money they need or want and destroy it without consequence. Today, banks have no need for savers' money. If they did, they would be paying interest for it. Today, the banks are awash in money created out of thin air from the Fed and balance sheet fraud. If savers took every penny out of banks, the banks would not even notice.

Every ill lies with the banks.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:49 | 1094235 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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Congress vs Big Banks....Which is to Blame?....3/Revolution/Starve the Govenrment

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/congress-vs-big-bankswhich-is-to.html

Tue, 03/29/2011 - 00:14 | 1111622 Harlequin001
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Bartanist, how much would you choose to lend your money out for at present?

and how much are most savers getting on their loans (deposits) to the banks today?

I would argue that the last is considerably lower than the first, ergo the Fed artificially lowers the cost of borrowing for the government....

If gold was in money they would not be able to do that.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:40 | 1094229 i-dog
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You are exactly right, Harlequin001 ... the banks are only able to manipulate the government because the government has the monopoly over violence to enforce whatever it has been bribed/paid to enforce.

Until the power of the central government has been trimmed back to what the founding fathers envisaged (ie. about 0.1% of the financial and legislative power that it now holds!), there can be no solution to the current problems.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:04 | 1094309 Freewheelin Franklin
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The relationship between the banks and the government has been a "love/hate" relationship since, at least, the War of 1812, whose financing led to the Panic of 1819. I've heard it described as a lion and a lion tamer who feeds the lion with one hand, while whipping him with the other.

 

The only real solution, IMHO, is to separate the government and the banks, and treat banks like any other business.

http://www.econlib.org/library/LFBooks/SmithV/smvRCB.html

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:35 | 1095662 benburnyanki
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Holy Flyin Furry Freak Bro,

Where the hell you got ahold of a Freak Bros comix matey?

CIA loves Freewheelin Franklin's favorite saying:

"Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope!"

I think I will add a new one aimed squarely at the FAT FREDDY'S CAT FUCKERS AT THE FED:

Gold will git ya through times of no money better than money will git ya through times of no gold.

Then for you bang stick smokers out there:

Lead will get you through times of no money, better than money will get you through times of no lead.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 00:28 | 1115879 Harlequin001
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I couldn't have put it better myself...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:47 | 1094841 deeznutz
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"When you vote for politicians with a mandate to spend more than you earn you deserve everything you get."

 

Wow. Kindly tell us the names of all of the politicians who will not spend like drunken sailors... All 3 of them.

Whatever.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:16 | 1093724 Andy Lewis
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Fuck off and die, Nazi filth.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:05 | 1093888 JW n FL
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I LOVE how a call to arms.. in the first 10 posts turns into this ugly personal bullshit.. that smells of dis / mis information...

 

anything but lets all get together.. there are always one or two idiots that have to fuck up comments at the top.. be the first to be anti jew or whatever.. and make Fight Club look like shit.. Tyler I would like you to source those fucking idiots IP Addresses.. is it the same guy? is it some idiot republican who got ran then fuck outa here? how about some pissed dumbocrat? who and why does there always need to be a divide driven between people here.. in the first 10 comments? every fucking time.. if it was buy fucking gold.. everyone would be sucking dick.. but lets all get together and fuck up the FED turns into.. I dont like his eye shadow, I dont like his wig.. I dont like his lipstick.. what ever you fucking homos do on your fucking time is your fucking business.. but for those of us that wish to get together with anyone who wants to end the FED and Free our Country I am on board with.. Jew, Spic, WHOP, DIKE.. I dont give a fuck what they do on thier time.. thats there business.. I want people who want to start a war.. information spreading.. picketing... something other than this childish dis / mis information bullshit... EVERY FUCKING TIME!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:13 | 1093918 Village Idiot
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JW

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:29 | 1093956 The Real Fake E...
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JW n FL, I am with you. let me know when and where and I am ready to go.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:55 | 1094008 hambone
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Spot on JW - divided we play w/ our fucking "physical pm's" while people starve.  Was true then and same is true now...divided we fall, united we stand.  Anybody w/ a brain knows the plan is drive wedges between the "victims" and play the blame game.  The unions did it.  The immigrants did it.  The poor sucked the system dry.  The voters did it by never holding politicians accountable.  All have some truth but all are simply scapegoats for those truly responsible.  Rich fuckers with no souls trying to fill the bottomless black holes within themselves with with stuff and power and there will never be enough.  Some Jewish, yep.  Some Catholic, yep.  Some Muslim, ahuh.  It's a rainbow of greed.  Get over it and get on with the revolution...it's time to revive Obama's line and aim it at the entirety of DC, Wall St., lobbyists, sycophants, sociopaths.  We need real people, real citizens to serve for the betterment.  Time to come together.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:07 | 1094045 Village Idiot
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+100 for a counter punch.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:57 | 1094196 FEDbuster
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Some are calling for those whom are still paying their mortgages to stop paying.  Seems like the quickest and best way to crash the TBTF banksters.  The problem is the government is backstopping the banks now and forever.  You would end up with nationalized banks and a federal landlord housing system (section 8 housing for everyone?).

Best bet is to buy PMs (gold, silver, lead & brass).

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:16 | 1094210 mdwagner
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Nationalizing the banks would have been whatever our national debt is in dollars times better than what we have now after Lehman/AIG failed.  At least they would have been somewhat accountable to the people in theory.  At least AIG can't pay themselves trillions in bonuses while they're nationalized.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:15 | 1094329 New_Meat
Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:45 | 1094183 duncecap rack
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You are spot on JW. This was such a beautiful and stirring document. To see it defaced with the infantile rants in the comments section was infuriating. Sort of like grafitti on the Mona Lisa.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:18 | 1094334 Golden monkey
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You told us : "buy fucking gold.."

I'm glad to see that gold is fucking you, you gold short dumbass.

Only gold shorts hypocrits are using multiple avatar on ZH. Tyler Knows. I know it.

You like wars, and killing people? God will fix you up, if not already done with you, SOB.

 

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:21 | 1094335 Golden monkey
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Can I get the avatar "I will obey" Tyler?

 

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 11:01 | 1095220 KinorSensase
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Five junks on JW?  BS.  Excellent perspective, JW.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 12:48 | 1095719 benburnyanki
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JW you da man!!!!

A La Braveheart and in between his French Queen scenes (no pun intended) he beat the fuck outta his own Scottish brothern who would not work together as a team.

There is a fucking good reason a sargent commanding a platoon can whip out his .45 and shoot anyone on his team right in the head for not workin as a team. Divided and arguing teams get cut down quick by the enemy fools.

Fight as One or Do Not Bother Numnuts! And we really pissed off the Israeli trolls since their banking mafia has the most to lose if we kill the Fed. This is why America is underneath a Jewish Nazi Jackboot. The Rothschilds own the Fed Fools. Wake up and Break The Slave Chains nitwits.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:15 | 1093919 Creed
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Andy was responding to J39's zionist psyop comment & was completely warranted in telling the nazi to fuck off & die , keep up here

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:59 | 1093831 Harlequin001
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Can't you people string two fucking words together without blaming everything on Zionists.

No wonder nobody takes you seriously...

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:04 | 1093877 FeralSerf
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ADL "volunteer"?  No job?  Immigrant?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:05 | 1093889 Harlequin001
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and this means what?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:45 | 1094181 d_senti
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Yeah, the random jew-bashers that pop out here and there definitely taint the commentary. Wish we could be rid of them, but TD doesn't ban people for being idiots. Which is good, really, as censorship dominates everywhere else.

Such is the danger of living on the fringe. You see truths no one else grasps, but you're out there with the other social rejects. :)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 06:49 | 1094284 Tenma13
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If they were just ignored they'd find there natural place in irrelevance.

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