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Hacker Collective Anonymous Issues Open Letter To Citizens Of The United States
Dear US Citizens,
We, Anonymous, would like to offer you, America, the opportunity to join and support our movement. We are a group that formed on the internet - one that knows no constructs or absolutes, and one that has recently grown exponentially. We would like to introduce an Operation. An Operation that involves Americans getting our National Rights and dreams back....To effectively reform the system that has enslaved us, we must consider the advice and example of those who have preceded us. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and JFK are good places to start. All took fierce positions against central banking, government corruption and corporate power... The time has come for us to unite, the time has come for us to stand up and fight.
- Anonymous
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I was just thinking about submitting to the banking networks. Can you give me the phone number of your bankster, so I can begin my own cocksucking job too?
Yeah, well it's that life part...........
Exactly what I was going to point out. Also the bit about putting gender in the constitution is wrong, constitution already states all are created equal. No special rights for specific groups should be in the constitution, or anywhere else for that matter.
It's hard to take this seriously when they can't be bothered to take a few minutes to proof read.
"Generations in the past spook of what we face as current issues" ????
If no special rights for specific groups should not be in the Constitution, then the Constitution is a failure from the start on that point.
+1 Buckaroo
I think the whole focus on political action is also another example of insanity: doing what people have always done (political or dictatorial or special powers given to a few) and expecting that to provide defense and justice services.
Burckaroo and everyone:
I hope you realize that security/enforcement (defense) as well as adjudication/arbitration (justice) are likewise just services, and until these are done by non-monopoly providers who must earn their pay every day like everyone else or loose their funding, you will continue to have the few - with guns - taking from the rest - ("taxation"). Every "government" system is a looser from the start. The only "government" that exists is the respect of life, liberty, and property within each individual (a genuine "self government" - not the, always corrupted, "representative" or "constitutional" tool of the predators). That state of a just individual is the whole "law". That is your system of justice. And genuine voluntary exchange is the glue that can hold the planet together and take us to the stars. The few trouble makers are dealt with by free markets in defense, and free markets in justice. Every time you have an attempt to grant exclusive power for "defense" and "justice", it always become the tool of those who wish to take by force or fraud. It is the criminal, who does not wish to earn their daily bread except by predation, that will seek out such a system or invent it, or form it into their own tool of oppression.
Any system that works through the first initiation of force or threat of force can never be trusted as a way to provide defense or justice services. Only a genuinely free market where you as individuals are free to withhold your funding on the bad providers, only the free market keeps the key "power of the purse" - which is needed for the ideas of life, liberty, and property to retain their potency in the face of determined assault by the predatory. The anti - "thesis" of human social insanity - of all our history of trying to get a "GOVERNMENT" to solve our problems - the anti "thesis" is the only sane solution and it is called "voluntarism" or a true non- hierarchy of those with special power (one meaning of the word: "anarchy"). Voluntarism appears to have been the system of organization in the early Irish and Icelandic societies. Ireland was man for man more than a match for any "statist" invader and only fell to massive overwhelming force coupled with cultural genocide fomented by the English during 484 years of struggles and invasions.
A voluntarist America would be invulnerable to conquest by its sheer size and, (up till now), economic prosperity and technological progress ( both happened in spite of "government" due to free markets that were - mostly - permitted for a time in our history). America would be an example that could truly inspire those who wish to live free, and then others in other lands would have a suitable model for reform that might in turn permanently solve their "government" problem as well.
Some additional thoughts on voluntarism:
In a free market of adjudication there is no such thing as "limited liability", and corporations, while permitted as voluntary systems, can have no special power granted by the criminal state to evade full restitution from the damages they may do if they are not VERY careful. And they will be VERY careful because it will be in their individual interests. Imagine a world where all the responsible parties at BP oil must pony up their individual fortunes if they end up harming millions! Same comment for TEPCO and the potential unlimited liabilities INDIVIDUALS face for their contributions to a nuclear disaster affecting millions.
In a free market of adjudication/arbitration there would have been no power of a "state" to rule in industrial polluter's favor in the earliest tort cases where industry was damaging the farmers. Industrial technology would have properly factored in all the costs and potential damages of their actions and would have found the technologies best suited to genuine productivity at a minimum of "trespass" on their neighbors.
It is always the takers, the cheats, the first users of force, who will be seeking the power of "government".
+ a pocketful of "wagon wheels". Nice synopsis. Read and learn youngsters, in a free society you are responsible, for yourself, for your loved ones, for your community and to those with whom you enter contracts of all kinds. In a free society there are no entitlements, only responsibilities.
An excellent summary of the REALLY important issue of this, or any other, time.
Handwaving and sophistry in the defense of laissez-faire which ne trouver pas, mon frere. Empty rhetoric at best.
Fully agree. A dreamer's description of a Godless utopia. Thanks very much, but John Lennon's imaginings were even grander and more poetic...but like yourself, he had no answer for how to control the evil side of man's nature and how to deal with it's victims. It's hard to control for something that you don't believe exists! Just ask Mr. Greenspan.....
T.E.I.N. everyone!
A sheep can hardly be called an animal; an entire flock is required to make one foolish individual.
-John Muir
@ The Profit Prophet:
You don't seem to understand what free market justice and free market defense are. It is not utopia. As was mentioned, take a look at Irish or Icelandic early history. You have proof available, and evidence, if you will get off your duff and do your own research. Here's a start for you:
http://polycentricorder.blogspot.com/2009/01/anarchic-ireland-rough-draft.html
http://mises.org/journals/jls/1_2/1_2_1.pdf
Then you could check out these:
"Sunset of the State" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLCEXtpTNYU
"On the Edge W M Keiser, Voluntarism" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKyutB3u2bM
"Statism is Dead - The Matrix" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P772Eb63qIY&feature=channel
"Statism is Dead - Free Range Humans" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rvMwSlAu0&feature=channel
"Statism is Dead -Terrorism" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IRbwpc2XV4&feature=channel
"The Story of Your Enslavement" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
"I'm Allowed to rob you!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE
http://pixel420.com/pixel420/stateless/
"Disproving the State" - http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux4.html
"A Virus of the Mind" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNzxthcTJs
"Free Market Myths Debunked!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBD6v8g1F4
http://www.libertarianstandard.com/articles/david-j-heinrich/justice-for...
"The Story of Our Unenslavement" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzyogKiXhEA
"The Myth of the Rule of Law" - http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm
It took me 53 years of living and thinking and weighing the evidence to finally have the "lights" go on in my head. I don't expect most folks to see through their own statist programing based on one short post.
Hope you check the links out.
OK, I'm sure your utopia is wonderful.
The real question is how to get there from here.
So, really, how do you get there from here?
@ I Ching:
Some ideas:
Choose to associate and do business that you can with those who place the non-initiation of force - (means no outright force or "hidden" force such as deception to defraud or theft, covert or otherwise) - as the central organizing principle and are willing to honor their contracts using agreed to non-monopoly arbitration services or groups of arbitration services in case of disagreements and non-monopoly enforcement of same: "monopoly" meaning specifically of the "government" type that demands "payment", (taxes), for their "services" through force or threat of force and views itself as final authority.
Teach your children the basics of respecting other's life, liberty, and property, and how be productive and survive in this world in a non-predatory manner. Live the principles of "non-initiation of force" in your family as that is what will teach your children in reality. Share or teach others these basics when you get a chance. If the "crash" comes, try to be as vocal about an alternative from all the "statist" failures of the past if reason prevails enough that the views of people will be given some respect in deciding how to organize the next "system" and does not result in you being shot.
Try to minimize paying support to the "mafia", ("government" - in all its jurisdictions), in as many ways as possible but without harming the life liberty or property of others. Do so in such a way as to not be destroyed or significantly harmed (unless you are willing to suffer in this way to make a public point). Expediency at the point of a gun or threat of gun in not the same moral equivalent as active support, although if you pay anything there is some responsibility for what gets done with the wealth the state expropriates.
AS long as this approach is followed such that a greater population of "voluntarists" grows over time it may be possible for a peaceful revolution to a new way of organizing society at some point in the future. The faster the growth rate, the sooner that day will dawn. If America ever can go voluntarist before she has exhausted what little good will she has left on this planet, this would be a tremendous catalyst for others to go "voluntarist" in other parts of the world as the opportunity arises. Once there is an active example that works, all "states" start to look like a very rotten deal to those who choose non-predatory life styles and have no need for "taxation" at the point of a gun, preferring to secure their safety and resolve their disputes through voluntary free market means.
And interesting comment from someone who is not giving "legal" or "tax law" advice:
The "income tax" code was specifically designed by the powerful to keep their wealth and future earning immune from taxation by using an interlocking system of domestic and "foreign" trusts. A domestic trust that pays 100% "earnings" to an offshore beneficiary trust has no income tax liability on this "pass through" transaction. The offshore trust, if it has no other dealings with the US directly except this reception of trust beneficiary flow, is considered a "non US resident" with US source "income" and still must file a trust return. But if that second trust also passes all its "earnings" to a third offshore beneficiary trust that has no other dealings with the US then that 3rd trust is considered a "non US Resident" with non US source "income". No return is required, and no tax is due. That is what the Rockefellers, Kennedys, and others did when the quite deliberate system was started. The attorneys who set up the code were charging hundreds and thousands of dollars an hour way back then to help the elite opt out of the system. By the way a "voluntary" payment, (one not based on a transaction or "compensation"), from an offshore entity that has no other dealings with the US is considered a "gift" and is not taxable. Isn't that interesting? Only slave, and the "lower class" people must pay the income tax. The big boys pay what ever token amount they want to show with what ever cover "jobs" and salaries that they have for show in the US. There are a lot of details and "gotchas" built into the system so you better be studying the code at the level of legal sophistication it was deliberately written in or do not try going down this road. The above system works "properly" if you can trust the so called "independent" non - US trustees to do the "right" thing. Powerful ruthless people have ways of enforcing foreign trust to do the "right thing" if they start to get out of line, if you know what I mean. Your morality may not permit you doing what they do but that is how the game was rigged from the start. If you aren't part of the elite, good luck finding an attorney that will help you set all this up properly. The early "trust" scandals were not about this system of tax avoidance but about things like anti-trust and monopoly busting. This area of the code is an area the courts do not want publicized at all for obvious reasons and prefer to attack the uninitiated though other technicalities that attempt to make all trusts seem like scams without actually overruling the system in place. For its purposes the core still remains and too much power relies on it for it to ever change. This was my understanding back about 1995 and I am not aware that this system has been materially changed in ways that would invalidate it.
Oh....now I see.....your a Godless Libertarian......how wrong-headed can one be????
Here's a little clip of what happens to you and your kind in the utopian world you profess:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3E86bQw9NQ&feature=related
The real mind bender is that the Morlocks were once the Godless Libertarians.
For further research on the conundrum of evil, please re-read "Lord of the Flies"......
If your flashbacks continue, put on some Dead (I recommend "Friend of the Devil") and refrain from posting insanity!
More Stuff on early Ireland:
"Brehon Law: a Pragmatic System Based on Property Rights"
http://irishlibertyforum.org/researched-articles/82-brehon-law.html
"Irish History - Brehon Law - Part 1 of 11"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN52LnC020g&feature=player_embedded
"Stateless Societies: Ancient Ireland"
http://mises.org/journals/lf/1971/1971_04.pdf (pg. 3)
It took me 49 years to even realize there was a switch that would turn lights on. Found it in 2008 and really appreciate your links. I'll be going over those later.
@snowball:
Instead of simple dismissal through use of pejorative words, how about some thoughtful argumentation based on sound logic, or ethics, (or even possibly philosophy or even morality)? I don't expect you to try, because in every case where your "side" has attempted it, your side has lost decisively, thus, simplistic pejoratives and dismissal to appeal to those who are swayed by simple words and choose to evade the responsibility of THINKING. Your opinions only have weight for yourself, and if you come at me with a gun to pay for your wars, taxes, and injustices, then you fit the definition of a thief. (see "I'm Allowed to rob you!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE )
So I challenge you, the side of lawlessness and injustice, where you presume to get the authority to steal from others so that your "government" can lie, steal, and kill all the better?
Hey, pud wrangler, Huffington Post is that-a-way =======>
I am Chumbawamba.
" I lost them at..."
Then you are on the wrong side of history. Say hi to the bankers for us on your way out.
Create a right, create an obligation.
And Lincolned ordered attacks in his own citizens, like Qadaffy.
And dont speak about Andrew Jackson, the true friend of the Indians...
What a collection of references this collective has...
They're clearly not from the US and have the same twisted view of US history that is spoon-fed to many children here.
EXACTLY! And TR, WW, FDR, JFK, LBJ, RMN, GHWB, GWB, and BHO all have expanded that power exponentially. Why? The individual interest in power and wealth and fame. Each was a narcissistic megalomaniac who, in the hip pocket of the moneyed interests, helped destroy liberty, private property, and free enterprise in America. This nation is in the fix it is in precisely BECAUSE of these monsters.
Constitutional Bimetallism, Bitchez!
I am going to close my account at CHASE tomorrow. Should I wait until ZHers decide to do it together. All of us go to chase together, same day?
I finally convinced my brother to get his mortgage away from Chase. We will start the process Friday.
And in my hometown, I did see a few people outside of a Chase branch which said "Chase is morally bankrupt"
I stopped and yelled out the window that they were financially bankrupt too
No, just do it. Just fucking do it already. So many fucking people talk about doing shit but then don't do it. Yes, I've been guilty of the same thing in the past, so I know how it is, but I did my part, and I expect everyone else to do the same.
Stop fucking talking about it already and DO.
I am Chumbawamba.
OK I will do it fuckingasso.
4 minutes before that comment, that's what you were posting right here :
"These guys just need to hack the shit out of the banking networks and FUBAR the whole thing until transactions can no longer go through and the system collapses. That will actually accomplish something tangible. And they should save their flowery V for Vendetta language for obscure internet forums."
I guess "they" doesn't mean "I", isn't it?
How come you're such an overweight bullshitter?
Did you write the manifesto? Your grammar is just about as bad and you make about as much sense.
In your case, I recommend you open up your ass as a sperm bank and let people make deposits as a way to move business away from TBTF.
I am Chumbawamba.
As you know, you need to wait before you "get" my ass. But better late than never, as they said.
Since you're already twice my age, I guess you're ass will become an hotel for all kind of funny "worms" quite soon. But you don't even listen to Tyler : on a long enough timeline...
But I respect you : you're not (REAL) a faggot, and not addicted to gambling. So many kinds of bullshitters caught on tape out there.
You should tell the other user that I'm French. Not Muslim, dumbo, and admit you're not a real faggot.
I took some $ out of a chase atm last week to buy a roll of silver eagles... it felt good.
Smart move. I kindly suggest you do the same with your JPM credit card (go for 2 rolls, it's even better).
Stay liquid. PMs will pullback. Time to buy is at $1225 gold and $23 silver.
Just close it now. I closed my 401(k) at Wells Fargo (formerly Wachovia) and purchased physical with the proceeds. It feels fucking great! Get it done with
If you were still banking with Chase, then you've been part of the problem all along. Kudos for waking up, but WTF took you so long?
Shit's getting inneresting!
Socialocracy!
Got to plug my new thesis! :-)
http://jimijon.blogspot.com
Goodnight from Chitown.
I'm loving this.
And..... GO!
Oh yeah, that's what we need Anonymous. Positive rights.
Take out the positive rights, and I'm with you. Until then, I'm ambivalent.
I don't think this organisation will offer any help. It has never touched the core of the current evil system like JP Morgue, Goldman Sucks and Barkshare Hathaway.
I don't think you understand the power of anonymous.... Go research Operation Titstorm. Australia's governmental website was shut down by a fairly weak DDoS attack.
Anonymous is not a "group" per se, but more of a loose association, if that. They are not a "hacker collective", for sure. It's just that hackers like the idea, so they call themselves "Anonymous".
You, me, da joos, da Muslims, Shania Twain, or your mother can be anonymous. Anyone and everyone can. There is no central ideology, except what most members want, while other members want other things and will work against them. Many just want chaos.
Certainly a nice way to get a movement started. Pretend like you are some giant, secretive, and powerful organization and recruit. In reality, this is just "some guy". But that is how all movements start--"some guy" does something smart, like write a Declaration of Independence, and people find that they like it, and join together to take action against an oppressive power.
Thus, just because "Anonymous" has never taken on those entities doesn't mean you can't, as a "member". Just remember this one rule--DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.
yeah basically a bunch of relatively talented, interested people looking to stir shit up. Which is where how a great deal of good (and evil for that matter) has sprung from.
Well, as long as your excuse to sit on your ass goes untarnished, all is well.
Seriously, how tragic.
Hell while they're at it why not throw in Jesse Jackson junior's right to own a house, a decent job and an iPod.
I am 100% In. What if we really could start a grassroots movement with all of these tenets as the cornerstone? It might save this country. I have one question. Why RICO statutes? Is the idea to use them against corporations and banks? RICO can be a very dangerous weapon when wielded by the wrong hands.
If I were going to dramatically release a manifesto to stir the American populace to action, I would proof-read it first.
Start the clock on the denial of issuance by some other subset of Anonymous.
+1
And if it was perfectly grammatical and no spelling mistakes, some other poster would be doubting its veracity for being "too good". Read widely and keep an open mind.
Agreed. Knowledge is one of the few precious things which can never be taken from you; only modified, and ONLY by your consent (whether implicit or explicit.)
IMHO, this is exactly the manner in which the populous needs to see the argument made in order to believe that this MIGHT be real. In plain English (as are most communicae from Anonymous) the memes expressed are comprehendable - there is no bullshit 'speak' to confuse the message.
"Nothing can stop an idea whose time has come" - Victor Hugo
It's not a front - It's an idea.
Populace - noun - inhabitants
Populous - adjective - having many inhabitants
"Start the clock on the denial of issuance by some other subset of Anonymous"
"We're not the bleedin' Judean People's Front; we're the People's Front of Judea!"
"Bloody separatists!"
Make Health Care a Human Right?
That one is the deal breaker in my opinion--if they had left that off, it would seem like a very fair minded intellegent proclamation....but as Socrates taught us, if we thing our laws are wrong, we need to change them, not violate them, so i don't condone anything that would violate our laws.
Bleat, bleat, bleat...
Sure. They make sure you get sick first.
I agree that it should not be lumped in with human rights ... but I'm very relieved that my most recent layoff happened in Canada, where I still have access to health care. The time before that was in NYC and I decided to forgo COBRA which made me quite careful when crossing the street.
(Before anyone starts trashing me for my employment history - I work in tech and mostly at start-ups.)
The thing that bugs me most about the US system is that it is run by big pharma who are given a lot of power in determining what is acceptable treatment and they don't like traditional treatments unless they have a monopoly:
http://metrotimes.com/mmj/pharma-s-pot-push-1.1112446
Does anyone know if I will be put on a penny stock pumping mailing list if I join?
I never have been...and have never heard of anyone else being.
Well then I probably don't want to join.
I joined the NIA group, and now I'm "preserving my wealth" with penny stocks listed on foreign exchanges. There's one stock in particular that will probably go up 5000% next month, and if it hits, I'll be the next oligarch of society. I got some secret insider info on that one.
Congrats! The World is yours!
Crawl back to HuffPo Marcy.
If you DON'T join, your machine will be spamming out offers for penny stock lists.
Fact!
I have and received zero spam (penny stock or otherwise) as a result.
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You might try thinking of them as the Green Mountain Boys of the 21st century; guerilla warfare for a new age.
IN!!!
I promise what's left of my money, my heart, my soul, and if need be my last breath. My kids (all kids) deserve the basic opportunities granted by our constitution. I will do my utmost to safeguard these for generations to come.
Tell me where and when and I'm ready.
20th & Constitition ave.NW, Washington,D.C.
At your earliest convience.
Ask for a guy named Ben.
is this the same as putting a jewish star on in germany back in the day?? same result?
Better to wear the star with pride than live the lie any longer. But we will not go quietly and we shouldn't stay as cowards or feign ignorance (as the German's did).
Jinx! Never mind, you beat me by two minutes.
"is this the same as putting a jewish star on in germany back in the day?? same result?"
No, you can wear it with pride this time, you big fucking pussy. I know who you are - you are weak. Don't even bother getting out of your chair.
This country has thousands of groups like this. It probably won't be long before there is only one group...
Any that were all over every major network and front page world wide for two days a few months ago?
I'm (corrected in a gramatical way) more interested in building my Country. Not Abandoning it. I see the decline taking place. That is why I'm traveling!
I'd join the movement
if there was one I could believe in.
You know I'd break bread and wine
if there was a church I could receive in.
Boner!
Great song...and lyric!
Better free your mind instead...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkwgTBrW78
What can a poor boy do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUO8ScYVeDo
Fine examples! Songs to live to...songs to die to.
It ain't me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfjU3_XOaA
Hope you got your shit together...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BmEGm-mraE&feature=related
Thought I heard a rumble...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbI0cMyyw_M&feature=related
I was cautioned to surrender...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG4ndbhOkpI&feature=fvwrel
Not given in an inch to fear...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XWmwvT8bCw&feature=related
You guys are old! Generation split - it is interesting because there is overlap but I would never reference a Beatles or Stones song. Just for contrast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrZ4sMRYimw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlGztHbDspg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrZ4sMRYimw
Great, underrated tune. Edge's guitar is hypnotic.
SEEK and you shall find Turd
naming yourself after a piece of shit may reveal more about yourself then you care to be known tho; present yourself as a P.O.S. & golly that's what you'll be received as
perhaps Burd Ferguson? it's still got that classic "u"
Yawn.
I've been Anonymous for years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SboRijhWFDU
Jefferson Airplane - VolunteersLook what's happening out in the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Hey I'm dancing down the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
Got a revolution Got to revolution
One generation got old
One generation got sold
This generation got no destination to hold
Pick up the cry
Hey now it's time for you and me
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Come on now we're marching to the sea
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
We are volunteers of America
For what It's Worth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0cdCUtbDFQ&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTfKGaY9nTM
I always thought this was Frank's opinion of the Airplane...Any group that goes around quoting Timothy Leary can COUNT ME OUT. Seems like a phsyop to me anyway. Laterz.
I TOLD them to quote George Michael...dammit!
Not only was one of their few quotes of Leary, but they also provided one link... to substantiate their claim about how much money NYC spends making pot arrests. Are you fn kidding me?
Imagine...it takes this lot to stir some shit!
U-S-A...U-S-A...blah, blah, blah!
and they copy the U.N. logo on their letterhead.
give. me. a. break.
http://www.africanwater.org/images/UNICEF_logo.gif
Oh, so you want them to be world class hacker AND graphic artists! ;-P
Some people have no means to detect irony.
If you have no problem with Authority(s) and enjoy being told what to think, what are YOU doing on ZeroHedge? Check your premises!
my premise is don't take things at face value. think for yourself.
Right...and the quote they used was, "Think For Yourself, Question Authority." Pretty close to your premise, no?
no, because i wouldn't question authority as a default position.
this group has a long list of demands. i think the group is a fraud, but that's just an opinion based on that ridiculous letter. they really only need one demand, and that covers it all: uphold the constitution. but they have that demand buried somewhere between immigration reform and fair taxes. puhleeeeze. i. don't. buy. it.
I think they should have demanded immigration reform for Guantanamo inmates who are receiving free healthcare...
Oh, yeah; and world peace..., and a fruit basket...
"Oh, yeah; and world peace..., and a fruit basket..."
Why hasn't anyone thought of a fruit basket? Lets send just one person of interest (hate) a fruit salad sampler. How many here would be willing to send Chairsatan a "thank you" expressed by fruit, on the same day? I'm in.
CREDIBLE ACTION ALERT!
Only if the fruit is already rotten, but yes, I'm in.
Thanks, that's two. I'll make another suggestion soon and see if we can't get this off the ground.
Read the thing again. Sentence preceding the list... "A starting point for reform could be established by citing a list of worthy objectives provided by ampedstatus.com."
Really don't think the intention is that everyone must agree with every point on the list. I just think you're missing the point. Keep doing what you're doing...you seem happy enough as is.
Gets a little looney at "Enshrine Gener equality in the Constitution".. Equality is already in the BOR.. All men(women) are created equal..
Also... Reduce Health care costs?..Do nothing and just let medicaid and Social Insecurity collapse..High cost healthcare problem solved.
TeMpTeK
"Gets a little looney at "Enshrine Gener equality in the Constitution".. Equality is already in the BOR.. All men(women) are created equal.."
Yeh that constitution worked real well for Native Americans, Blacks, Women, even the fucking Irish took in the ass.
The Constitution provided for all people. It wasn't enforced properly. It was corrupted by Corrupt men/judges/politians. People caught up in the system of racism, bigotry, and so forth. The Constitution was not at fault for the Native Americans, Blacks, or Women mistreatment.
Samual Adams
yes, like the Bible, the Constitution wrote itself. Later it allowed Blacks to be three fifths of whitey.
Gully do you even know why the 3/5 clause was there? Did you know that representatives in congress are approportioned based on the population of different districts and allowing the southern slave states to count slaves as a whole person would have guranteed a super majority to the southern states in perpetuity? Do some reading...it does a mind good.
Provided for white men with property.
Edit: Which was the cultural norm at the time but no way did it offer rights to all.
It came pre-corrupted and, while better than bending to monarchy, left a great deal to be desired, but that's what happens when 13 colonies with disparate interests arrive at a compromise in the name of unity against a common foe. Apologists for the founders who fail to recognize their limitations and ulterior motives are likely doomed to repeat their mistakes.
"Yeh that constitution worked real well for Native Americans, Blacks, Women, even the fucking Irish took in the ass."
Youre joking right? Let me help u smarten up a little.....Here is one of My favorite true stories about inequality and injustice being trumped by the rule of supreme law which is the law of our creator. It can be found in Yick Wo vs Hopkins circa 1886.
A Chinese man jailed for the equivalent of "not sitting in the back of the Bus" well before Rosa parks...Sheriff Hopkins was descriminating against chinese laundromat owners by forcing only them to comply with a new law which outlawed laundromats in wooden structures... All the whitey laundromat owners were overlooked.. Yick Wo said FU... and he was locked up by Hopkins.... A Habeas corpus later,
SC Justice Matthews said in his decision....
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, (discriminatory unjust arbitrary acts of legislatures or govts) for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886)
Plenty of good ideas here, but I started having trouble with loose grammar/wording in the first few paragraphs. Message unclear early on, it was written by too many advertising people. Ideas get an A- but the presentation a C at best. If it were stamped into silver tablets and delivered by chariot, I'd sign up today.
My thoughts exactly. I honestly hoped for more from Anonymous.
Most "genius" hackers I know were brilliant communicators. Even those who had english as a third language more than made up for it with the ability to communicate clearly.
The image of them as some sort of social retard is a media concoction.
The fact that they would put out such a poorly worded and considered "call" is a huge red herring.
ORI
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I tend to disagree. Most research scientists I know are brilliant communicators. The best engineers I know work best with a white board where they can diagram their ideas. But they are not great at putting pen to paper.
But I do agree that we should not stereotype a whole occupation as "social retards". Within every group, there are differences.
And if you think engineers are bad .... I have been half entertaining the idea of getting an MBA but did a practice quiz tonight for the GMAT - no longer entertaining that idea. Stupid easy.
You need to separate the 'genius hackers' (the people who write Tor and maintain the Linux kernel) from 'Anonymous' (a random collective of script kiddies with good intent, but poor grammar).
What do you think would get you farther in the Internet age, proper grammar, or the ability to hack any site you wish anonymously?
Prostate chips. HeHe.
the reality detached amerikan.......
he even put ZH in there. imagine that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCxBDDk4Y-M
So who's labor are you gonna steal for your 'right' to health care?
Health care in small Central American countries is about 1/10th the cost because of the lack of big insurance companies, government involvement and huge lawyer firms. It's often just as good if not better.
Yes. Health care is NOT an insurable risk. Get rid of all forms of private health insurance, Medicare, and Medicaid, and you'll see health care costs drop so fast and so far it will take your breath away.
Amen!
Insurances capitalize on human fear and the advertizers always target the wife's and mother's.
Besides, it's a form of gambling since you are betting that you will either get really sick or die prematurely.
That's life insurance - not medical.
Sure...in proportion to the population.
and what does any of that have to do with forcing a doctor or nurse to provide you with their services so that you can have your 'right' to healthcare? Or would you prefer to force me to labor to provide the funds for your 'right' to healthcare?
BFD... First WikiLeaks, then Anonymous.... The sheeple, MSM, and MIC are all rooting for Ben to keep the ponzi going..
Cut your consumption in half. Act independently, autonomously.. Take care of yourself. You're all you have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=530Hqoamf3Q
Melanie Lay Down (Candles in the Rain) Lyrics:
(Lay down lay down, lay it all down.)
(Let your white birds smile up,)
(At the ones who stand and frown.)
Lay down lay down, lay it all down.
Let your white birds smile up,
At the ones who stand and frown [3] .
We were so close, there was no room.
We bled inside each other's wounds.
We all had caught the same disease.
And we all sang the songs of peace.
(Lay down lay down, lay it all down.)
(Let your white birds smile up,)
(At the ones who stand and frown.)
Lay down lay down, lay it all down.
Let your white birds smile up,
At the ones who stand and frown.
So, raise the candles high cause if you don't,
We could stay black against the night.
Oh, raise them higher again and if you do,
We could stay dry against the rain.
(Lay down lay down, lay it all down.)
(Let your white birds smile up,)
(At the ones who stand and frown.)
Lay down lay down, lay it all down.
Let your white birds smile up,
At the ones who stand and frown.
We were so close, there was no room.
We bled inside each other's wounds.
We all had caught the same disease.
And we all sang the songs of peace.
Some came to sing, some came to pray.
Some came to keep the dark away.
So raise (raise) the candles high (up high).
'Cause if you don't we could stay black against the sky.
Oh, oh, raise (raise) them higher again (up high).
And if you do we could stay dry against the rain.
(Lay down lay down, lay it all down.)
Let your white birds smile up,
At the ones who stand and frown.
You gotta, lay down lay down, lay it all down.
Let your white birds smile up,
At the ones who stand and frown.
You gotta, lay down lay down, lay it all down.
Let your white birds smile up,
At the ones who stand and frown.
You gotta, lay down lay down, lay it all down.
Let your white birds smile up,
At the ones who stand and frown.
[Fade.]
(Lay down lay down, lay it all down.)
(Let your white birds smile up...)
This is retarded... instead of demanding better government, which if history proves anything will only happen once it collapse and rebuilds, only to slowly get worst again... Why not demand the abolishing of government?
Governments are only the bigger mob on the block, they give health care as farmers do, and protection when you pay 10x more than you would for it privately (and voluntarily).
Governments collect about 70-80% of all your income in taxes (when you consider lecence fees, state/provincial sales taxes). The end user pays for all the tax between the raw product and their hand.
No one can name one thing the government does that private business can't do better, other than corruption and violence.
Why do we need them? To protect us? HA!
Yes, but health care AS A RIGHT! That's buying my vote! I get to vote, right?
Why should health care be a right? Who doles out these rights? The government? Well if you need some rich white people who love power to give you your rights... I feel sorry for you, but if you stand and make things your own right, I will celebrate you.
I thought I basted that comment with plenty of sarcasm...
You did... I just added 2 more cents out of disgussed of being junked... lol
Go try and hire a private military for yourself or your state that could defend against say...China
Sssshhh...you no spoil ancient chinese secret of make round-eye quibble until invasion comprete.
Gosh ... you've really been slurping the KoolAid down! Why the fuck do you think that "China" would go to the trouble of invading your neighbourhood / community if there was no tax structure in place for them to step into.
Wars and invasions are only fought to take over the reins from the incumbent despot ... they don't want to have to go door-to-door every week with a collection tin to collect their tribute!!! (particularly not in well-armed America!).
You know, you have to throw the constitution out there...
This kinda fits here since Gorelick as a vice chair of Fannie:
By Chris Neefus, CNSNews.com
The Obama administration reportedly is considering former Clinton administration official Jamie Gorelick, among others, to become the next director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
The Wall Street Journal’s Evan Perez first reported the news last week, citing “U.S. officials” familiar with the situation.
Gorelick served as vice chairman of the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) when the government-sponsored enterprise began bundling subprime loans into securitized financial instruments. Prior to that, she served as deputy attorney general in the Clinton Justice Department under then-Attorney General Janet Reno from 1994 to 1997.
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But Gorelick is perhaps best known for her 1995 memo, written when she was deputy attorney general, that later became known as “Gorelick’s Wall,” a policy prescription limiting the flow of information between intelligence gatherers and criminal investigators that some believe helped allow the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center to go unchallenged.
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/fbi/2011/03/23/woman-tied-911-fannie-mae-obamas-fbi-shortlist#ixzz1HU2EBZEF
From Fannie Mae to the FBI? That is just too bizarre.
I give up. More inhalants and liquor is the only answer now.
Oh no noty another fcken schmuck, does it never end?
Average american: This group called anonymous, if it doesn't have a name how can I vote for it?
I doubt anything is going to work on average folks, way too much colgate and teflon pans.
This country ended when JFK was assassinated by our government.
This country ended when the Federal Reserve was Created.
JFK was fighting the Federal Reserve and military industrial complex.
Obviously the Fed was a big start to the end, but JFK dying was THE end.