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Hacker Collective Anonymous Issues Open Letter To Citizens Of The United States

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Dear US Citizens,

We, Anonymous, would like to offer you, America, the opportunity to join and support our movement. We are a group that formed on the internet - one that knows no constructs or absolutes, and one that has recently grown exponentially. We would like to introduce an Operation.  An Operation that involves Americans getting our National Rights and dreams back....To effectively reform the system that has enslaved us, we must consider the advice and example of those who have preceded us. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and JFK are good places to start. All took fierce positions against central banking, government corruption and corporate power... The time has come for us to unite, the time has come for us to stand up and fight.

- Anonymous

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Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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This country ended with Lincoln.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Misean
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+1 gazillion green backs

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:43 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Adams or Madison.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Yep. Many people realized it at the time too. The republic was lost that very day. Johnson that piece of crap brown noser. Rot in Hell.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:31 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Yep.  Johnson Great Society and Vietnam together broke the dollar.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Tejano
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Yeah, yeah.  Ok, got it...up to the point where you invoke the bloody tyrant Lincoln and the bloated imperialist Roosevelt I.  Go back to square one.  Try again.  See me when you've studied and thought it through.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment Larry Darrell
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Well it looks to me like an OPEN INVITATION TO AMERICANS

Maybe they threw out some ideas that are not great, but they put them out there, and it sounds like they are requesting other help and input for a rebuilding

Add something constructive.  Help or get out of the way.

You sound like some idiot whose been on the board of bridge project for 40 years to plan a bridge, which after 40 years still hasn't begun construciton (for this kind of incompetence in action, see Louisville,KY)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:17 | Link to Comment Tejano
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I like your bridge example, Larry.  That incompetent board - is that a group that have voluntarily joined together to risk their own capital to meet what they perceive (hope) is a real need for folks to cross the river?  Or, is it composed of bureaucrats and/or petty politicians frittering away tax dollars that - in the final analysis - were extorted at gunpoint?

You see, most of the "demands" presented above call for statist solutions to state-caused problems.  More government aggression to address issues founded in too much government. Treat the symptons with more of the cause - "force" this, "enforce" that, "strengthen laws", "reform" laws....someone's missing the point.

The Fed, the wars, the MSM, corporate welfare, the revolving door, negation of civil liberties, threat to internet freedom, denial of habeus corpus, Gitmo, Patriot Act, and so on - all arise from a State that is too powerful and intrusive.

Some good ideas, yes.  And some really terrible ones, too - in the spirit of corporate stooge lawyer Lincoln and warmongering puppet Roosevelt. Health care as a right?  How do you do that without enslaving health care providers? "Improve (government?) education for all. Reduce costs" yeah, right - better AND cheaper?  Get real.  And facile catch-phrases like "Clean Air, Food & Water".  Just "demands", no workable solutions.

Like I said, Larry, think it through...after you pull your head out.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:51 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Until such time as the "anti-statists" propose something better than democratic government (and, no, rhetoric about free-markets functioning smoothly without government isn't anything but a farce of a pipe dream), we're stuck with finding a way to provide for better governance from democracy.

The fed, wars, corp welfare, etc are all symptomatic of collusion between government and the multinational corporations which is accomplished by depriving the governed of the consent from which authority is supposedly derived. As long as we're bickering about minutiae, we will not address the fundamental problem of electoral reform which, if dealt with, would allow us to take back the reins of government from the lobbyists, their corporate masters, and the whores they pimp each election cycle.

Lambast their ideas for how it "should be" all you want, but know that in doing so, you are enabling the looters to continue buying the votes of the moochers (to borrow Ayn's parlance) and accomplishing nothing.

Government is not the problem. Government that does not heed the will of the populace is.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:53 | Link to Comment James
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Tejano - To me, we really never had it.

Just a mirage.

Am I getting closer?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:24 | Link to Comment Tejano
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A mirage? Or a dream that grew into a nightmare?  One that will pass.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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I'd join but I'm afraid I couldn't hack it. [/sarcasm]

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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99 when is the last time you were happy? You know I love your sarcasm.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:50 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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It's called pun.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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Tyler throws out the rallying cry, every fucking day.  Day in, day out.  When in Dog's name are we going to pull something together?  I hold myself equally irresponsible.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment Filthy Rotter
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Amen!

They aren't asking to run your country.  They aren't even suggesting you must agree with everything on the list...Health care cough, cough...such a touchy subject with you lot! :-)  To quote the sentence before the list begins, "A starting point for reform could be established by citing a list of worthy objectives provided by ampedstatus.com."

For fak sake, they're asking you if you want to take a stand!  Who out of 330(?) million of you want to take a stand...have your voice heard Anonymously?  Will it fix everything that has gone wrong in the US?  Maybe not this time, but it will certainly get some attention.  And speaking from experience, if it is something you believe in, it will feel pretty fakking good while doing it.

This IS project mayhem...a little non-violent civil disobedience. I can't believe how many ZHers are sitting here critiquing this so heavily... Yeah, I'd like to be involved, but there are sppelinq misteaks...no can do"Think For Yourself, Question Authority"  Aw man... they quoted Tim Lear...no can do"Think For Yourself, Question Authority"  What the fak are you doing here everyday?  What is everyone screaming about every time a new post goes up?

/rant off

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:52 | Link to Comment redpill
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When someone says they want to pop the balloon but pump it up at the same time, it's a bit tough to get excited.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 06:02 | Link to Comment Filthy Rotter
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I understand.  I'm not an American.  The letter isn't addressed to me.  They aren' talking about my constitution.  I honestly don't know why the hell they mentioned some of the things they did.  Clearly, a PR machine they are not.  I honestly think all they were trying to say is...do you want to stand up and make some fucking noise?  Civil disobedience...no guns or any of that bollocks.

Anyway...guess we'll see if any noise follows.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:50 | Link to Comment redpill
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You want a rallying cry?  Pay off all your bills, work with cash & bartering as much as possible, get out of all debt, and keep your savings in PMs.  It's not rocket science, you just can't get the legions of sheeple addicts to get off the credit fix.

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Fearless Rick
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I didn't bother to even read it. They lost me when their "expose" of BofA was so much more sizzle than steak.

Anonymous, thy name is cowering.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:31 | Link to Comment Filthy Rotter
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Fak Rick...you're fearless!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:19 | Link to Comment hambone
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Then god damnit Rick - do something!  Don't like anonymous?  They aren't quite right???  Then step up...step in and make it the change you desire.  I'm with you if you'll risk something - I'll risk everything.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 03:42 | Link to Comment Creed
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They lost me when their "expose" of BofA was so much more sizzle than steak.

+1 fearless rick

 

I'm sure a small hardcore group of knowledgeable people can affect the USA by shutting down power grids, water supplies, banking operations, trucking, rail & myriad other crucial underpinnings of modern life.

So do it. Shut the fuck up and do it. Whiny attention whores, do it if you have the ability. I bet you can't do shit, just like BofA.... DoD has you pegged, you're an enemy weapon system. They'll shut you down at their will & good pleasure.

You people don't really think shutting down Paypal for 4 hours is a victory do you? What you did was inconvenience ordinary people trying to pay their fucking mundane bills. Paypal will simply charge those people for the costs of being inconvenienced by aNOn.

The founders of America pledged their life & their sacred honor, much like Patrick Tillman did. What the FUCK are you pledging?

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:19 | Link to Comment Filthy Rotter
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"The founders of America pledged their life & their sacred honor..."

And look what it has become.  Over weight and out of date.  Sacred honor has been erased.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment macfly
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Yeah, well while in general I can suppport your ideas, I'm not big on unfilled promises, like BoA. 

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:31 | Link to Comment AxiosAdv
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I was sympathetic to their cause until I read that.  Sorry, but no true Libertarian could agree to that list.  Some of it is good and some of it is clearly utopian and beyond idealistic.  Also, if they are looking to Lincoln and Roosevelt for guidance then they are misguided.  Those two - Lincoln in particular - are huge reasons why we are in the mess we are in today.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Miss anthrope
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Exactly, Lincoln and Roosevelt?  Oh my God, this is like the alter boys cheering on the pedophile priests. 

 

I had such high hopes for them.  But then again, I see this particular piece as written by some low level homeland security guy trying to derail them.. I DO BELIEVE there is a real anonymous........... THIS IS NOT THEM.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:49 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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Then educate them (and me). Why is looking to Lincoln and Roosevelt misguided? Not everyone has the same education you do. This site is a huge mess of political ideologies (leaning towards libertarian) and ages and a lot here do entertain ideas/concepts outside their perceived views. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 08:50 | Link to Comment AxiosAdv
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Well this is a topic for a book not a post on a website, but the country was founded on the ideology of small and limited federal government.  Lincoln was a lobbyist for the railroads and was a huge believer in a powerful, centralized government.  After the Civil War, he was able to change things to the way he wanted them (using the victory in the war as his mandate) and destroyed the rights of the States.  Let's remember that secession was a right of all states.  So, now the states have been relegated to secondary status and everything is run by the federal government.  This covers education, roads, you name it.  But it all started with Lincoln and was made worse by the likes of FDR (The New Deal), Wilson, LBJ and his "Great Society", Bush II and now Obama.  We have gone from a society of independent people into a society of dependent people which is exactly what Democats want.  Democrats can't exist in a society of independent people because there is no need for the hands out they live on.  The sad part is that many, many Republicans are just as bad using a different government largesse (gov't contracts for example) to buy their votes to get into office.  What happened to people that put their country first?   

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:44 | Link to Comment nachtliche
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Interesting how people are flagging posts as "junk" because they can't handle the truth.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Popo
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Anonymous sounds really cool on paper, but frankly they don't pass the sniff test.

For starters:  How can the group members know who each other are, and "be legion" -- and still maintain anonymity? 

 

The thing about secrets, is that secrets degrade in secrecy as more people share in the secret.

 

So either their organization is very large and not very secret, or its just one dude and it's truly a total secret.

 

Furthermore, they have yet to prove that they can actually be disruptive, destabilizing and threatening.  All three of those things are necessary if they hope to achieve any one of their demands.  And given the fact that the organization is either one person strong or "legion" and non-secret -- it's is very doubtful that they can make good on any threat successfully.

 

I wish it weren't the case.  I'd love for them to kick ass.   But I call bullshit on these guys (or "this guy" as the case may be).

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:07 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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Actually it is better to not be able to know who each other are because then you get infiltrated and spy's know what you are going to do.  Lone wolf's (or is it wolves) are feared the most.  Small decentralized units working separately toward the same goal is the way to go.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:19 | Link to Comment mdwagner
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It's definitely not one guy.  And this kind of group is exactly the way any revolution could possibly occur because it's not as if our pitchforks or votes are going to work.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 03:53 | Link to Comment Creed
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BULLSHIT

 

you haven't tried pitchforks yet so you're talking out your ass

 

 

by mdwagner
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It's definitely not one guy.  And this kind of group is exactly the way any revolution could possibly occur because it's not as if our pitchforks or votes are going to work.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:44 | Link to Comment mdwagner
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Pitchforks vs. a government that spends trillions of dollars on police/military/espionage/prisons per year?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Want americans to read more....silly billies...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Filthy Rotter
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Wat'cha readin' for?  Bill Hicks, RIP

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:04 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Noice!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment Aceuphisleev
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I thought this was going to be some really cool call to begin Project Mayhem or something.  Some good ideas here, some questionable ones, some bad grammar...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment bluebare
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Tyler Durden approved this message?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment reader2010
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WTF. The Joe 6-Packs are only interested in swapping their freedom for iPads.

 

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment New American Re...
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The New Revolution is coming, that's true, but if we really want to win, we need to make the ballot box 2012 our battlefield.    We must take Congress.   From there we can impeach both the President and the Supreme Court if need be for this is where the ruling elite are most entrenched, but we must at least take Congress.    The instruction manual will be out shortly.   Long Live America!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Filthy Rotter
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Sarah?  Did you drink Joe's six-pack again?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 03:52 | Link to Comment Creed
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Sarah?  Did you drink Joe's six-pack again?

 

Filthyrotten, are you a brain dead Obamanation voting liberal piece of shit dirtbag progresso soup bitch responsible for the downfall of this great nation son of a bitch?

No? Oh, my bad, sorry.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:29 | Link to Comment Filthy Rotter
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What are you sorry for, Apollo?

Its not your bad...its my bad.  Its all good...ya'll.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:58 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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You actually think you can win playing thier game by their rules?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:11 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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"You actually think you can win playing thier game by their rules?"

 

yeah, that line of thinking is a problem.  i've been thinking about what has to change, lately.  the rules have to be changed...by the other side.  that's how you win against your foe - you counter.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Balls Galore
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Who wants to join the "Nazi Hunters 2.0" - Hunting down and prosecuting elitists who committed crimes against humanity - Confiscating ill-gotten wealth - Serving justice?

Assuring it won't happen again!!!

Watch Eli Rosenbaum Nazi Hunter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLp63WBV-Ic

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:31 | Link to Comment hambone
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This is spot on!!!  Balls, this is step 2 after the "change".

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment JonTurk
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US Empire is going down bitchez, like its ancestor Rome... nothing can change the direction, cause corruption is deep into the bones and greed reigns... apart from all that, fundamentals suck-- no way out, only thing pulling the whole shit up for the time being is already debasing fiat sovereign toilet paper currency

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment gwar5
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The Good: I like that part about breaking up the big banks, ending the Fed, breaking up the media oligarchy, and enforcing the RICO laws. Excellent start.

The Bad: Then they started going far left when they quoted Timothy Leary, talked voting rights for convicts, and immigration reform while lowering the cost of everything --- mutually exclusive goals, those last bits. Indicative of a little magical thinking.  

The Childish: They were really banging their spoons on the high chair when they included a mini-manifesto about legalizing pot. It even included a link to HuffPo --- a corporatist site which just sold out to AOL, one of the same media conglomerates they just said they want to break up. I bet they roll a mean joint and have their priorities straight.

Overall, Anonymous sounds like an eclectic group of passionate people with divergent views and agendas -- kinda like the whole country -- which sort of brings it full circle back to square one.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes. Next time they should put down the bong before picking up the pen.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Matte_Black
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This is not Anonymous.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:23 | Link to Comment msjimmied
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Maybe what Leary called the sixth neurological circuit activated the hive mind? Feel the global disturbance in the force? People are letting the chains of tyranny fall off like dew, rising as Lions. Many people can roll a mean joint and get their priorities straight, many function better. Use finer brushes my friend, you've let too many corporatist sites render your mind into a rigor mortis like state.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:41 | Link to Comment Hicham
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So what's wrong with legalizing pot? Are you a libertarian/anti statist?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:11 | Link to Comment Creed
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gwar-

 

let a man out of prison, that means he's not a threat to society- full restoration of rights. Vote, buy a gun. If he's a threat, keep him inside. You're out, you're a freeman. Don't fuck up or you go back inside forever. Perpetual lifelong punishment re: revocation of rights while free is cruel & unusual punishment.

immigration- lets just do it like Mexico does it. Whatever their rules are about emigrating INTO Mexico I'm cool with. hahahahahahha

legalizing dope- it's about fucking time. Get rid of 1/3 of the ENTIRE FUCKING CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM and the BURDENSOME TAX COSTS ON ALL OF US. Dope laws are a noose around the neck of American freedoms. Not to mention their little sister forfeiture laws.

 

Let the fuckers overdose & die in the gutter. Let employers say no fucking drugs in my house so anyone who wants a job can't smoke pot since it takes 30 days to clear the system. Let it all settle out while jailers, DA's, cops & judges all take an unemployment check until they figure out regular life as the rest of us know it.

One caveat- get rid of any law that pretends a man who commits violence to protect life or property is at fault. Kind of like Texas' sundown law. Get caught fuckin' with my shit after dark you dead boy kind of law.

That will put the "civil" back into "civil society". Book it.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Matte_Black
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A word please. This "open letter" did not come from Anonymous. It does not have the ring of Anonymous. It does not have the ryhme of Anonymous.

When Anonymous makes a statement it is easy to see that it is really them.

Whoever you are. The person who made this release. I sympathize with your feelings given the nature of your release.

But stop now.

nao!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Element
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heh ... you got the "question everything" bit down.

 

I'm also not so sure about the 'decentralised' revolution with no leaders, etc., in my experience (of that sort of socail group, not of revolution) that dissipates, and accomplishes rather little. It's a way of saying leadership has no place.

We don't have alpha and beta dogs in a wolf pack for nothing. Last time I looked we are predators too.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Matte_Black
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I advise you check out other posts I have made here before accusing me of having anything to do with this tripe.

This is not me. This is not Anonymous.

You are, apparently, not very observant.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:46 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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I'm sorry, but whoever wrote this has the literary accomplishment of a 20-year-old finally graduating from one of those alternative learning centers where those who can't handle even the modest expectations of a public high school are warehoused.    

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:48 | Link to Comment Matte_Black
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I know right? wtf? Anonymous? For christ's sake....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:15 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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There's a self-referential joke in here:  i.e. taking credit for being anonymous when not in fact anonymous.  (yes, I know, capital letters, proper nouns and all that...I just think it is funny)

And yeah, the composition is weak enough to be a fake.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Element
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Ah, you got me wrong there, I was saying no such thing. Take another look.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment freedmon
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What I do like about this letter is that for once, someone is beginning to propose a political program.

 

Whether you agree with all their demands or not, we all need to make our own list. Just demonstrating on one issue, or saying "Impeach Bush/Obama" doesn't get you anywhere. Look how well "Mubarak out" has worked for the folks in Egypt. He got out, and was replaced by a brutal military regime.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:53 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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+ 1 new guy behind the curtain

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Broker NotBroke
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Healthcare should be a human right, just like gun ownership. Doesn't mean the feds should buy us all guns.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Misean
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Erm...yeah...been hitting the bong lately?

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Broker NotBroke
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Not at all.

 

Americans should have the right to try to get free healthcare. As long as it doesn't infringe upon my right to laugh in their face and not pay for it.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Misean
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The right to free exchange, check.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:04 | Link to Comment Broker NotBroke
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Precisely :D

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:17 | Link to Comment Creed
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Americans should have the right to try to get free healthcare. As long as it doesn't infringe upon my right to laugh in their face and not pay for it.

 

roflmao

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:42 | Link to Comment dcb
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they make the common fringe group mistake of braodly defining their goals instead of narrrowing them. putting the pot thing about NY spending 75 million makes them look like a stoner group. I feel the same way they do, but should keep the message much more simple.

 

stick to fed, open government, lobby stuff, and they make 90% of the population agree. easy

 

Oh byt he way they are entirely correct about what they say, and I do think the american people need to overthrow their own government. it because clear with Mr. Hope change Obama that those in power and in the reigns of power aren't going to change unless at the barrell of a gun. Just like Kaddaffi.

why is the looser economic team, the federal reserve still there. no bigger proof of loss of democracy, no audit the fed, etc.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:19 | Link to Comment Creed
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dcb you're not an American, so feel free to go fuck yourself

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Blano
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Meh, Anonymous sounds like a bunch of old acid heads.  Health care a human right??  Fuck that shit.  People like that I'd rather fight.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment plata pura
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All right bitchez anonymous. The key for the commons be by legislation and insert the word "natural" before persons in these States United constitution.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment scratch_and_sniff
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...good luck with that.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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The "Knights of the Web" have come of age to perform chivalrous deeds and protect the little man from the depravity of the New World Order nobility!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment mr. mirbach
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"Generations in the past spook of what we face as current issues, the only difference being that of our technological advancements."

WTF!? Was this written on an iPhone? Spooked? Spoke? ?

While I completely agree that we have to take our country back, it is is hard to take seriously a manifesto that isn't properly spell checked.

Is the obvious plug for Anonymous' true agenda revealed in the extra effort that went into the 'Reform drug laws' bullet point?

Absolutely RICO laws are exactly what needs to be enforced against the Unholy Trinity (Wall St. - Washington - Club FRB) to stop the rape and pilage of "We the People."

So what if they're stoners. Somebody has to take the initiative to get the ball rolling. 

*Note to self - next time I write a manifesto, be sure to proof read after the buzz wears off before posting.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Misean
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In order to use spell check you need to know what word you are using. Further, spook is spelled correctly. What is more disturbing is the attempt to write a complex sentence, that, in fact, is a fragment...I think...depending on what "face as current issues" means.

Government youth indoctrination prison camps, making sure future revolutionaries can't compose a coherent thought.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment underpants
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Fuc*%$ ay bro!  The rats may survive but they'll always know in their hearts they were pussies.  And so will everyone else.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment redpill
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They lost me at "Make Healthcare a Human Right"

That's the kind of shit that got us into the mess we're in to begin with.  It's not your right to be taken care of, sorry kids of the internet era.

 

You want to do something about the status quo?  Start an all-cash business, cut up all your credit cards, pay off your mortgage, only buy things in cash.  That would do more than an amorphous hacker temper tantrum.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:14 | Link to Comment D.M.
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Not only is it not a right, but if we leave it up to government it turns into a ponzi scheme.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:14 | Link to Comment redpill
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Precisely, and they act like they are first ones to the party of undermining the fucking empire while simultaneously, and apparently unknowingly, supporting the same partisan political horseshit that the politicians use to divide Americans in every single election.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:16 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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What about the right to be taught what doctors know?  Why do we spend countless hours in school learning useless shit when we could learn the shit that-- not knowing --will eventually bankrupt us all?  We could all know medicine with the money that is spent on our schooling.  Wake the fuck up! 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:15 | Link to Comment redpill
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You don't have a right to be taught anything.  Pick up a book and start reading, bitch.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:01 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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I already did--by force--for 13 years and look where it got me.  In a position where I am forced to be extorted by insurance companies that will do everything they can to avoid coverage if I get sick.  I'm sure you are happy with the status quo so what the fuck are you doing on this site to begin with?  Obviously you are a blue pill recipient pretending to fit in here so change your avatar and go the fuck back to CNN for your news. 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:04 | Link to Comment redpill
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CNN?  Are you fucking joking?  The reason our health care system is in its current situation is BECAUSE of government, not despite it.  Where did I say I was happy with the status quo?  The problem is you thinking holding a gun to someone's head and forcing them to pay for your healthcare is a fucking solution.  What do you want this country to turn into?  There is more at stake than your 13 years, whatever the fuck you did with it.  You are still sleeping!

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:24 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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Where did I say I wanted anyone to pay for my health care?  I don't rely on anyone to take care of me or my family.  I've never received food stamps or welfare.  I've always worked since I graduated from high school.  I'm just saying, and I'm sure if you research it you will have to agree, that our education system is fucked up and not teaching us things that would have avoided this whole medicare/medicaid problem.  Do you deny that we pay more than anyone for public schooling?  How then are we so lacking in science?  Who decides what curriculum we are taught?  We need to fix that is all I am saying.  We need people that think outside the box and try something else.  We know that the current system is horrible and yet we stick to it.  Isn't that a definition of insanity?  Like I said where did I say I wanted anything for free?  Copy it and put it in quotes for everyone to see or STFU and admit thay you are trying to put words into my mouth.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:36 | Link to Comment redpill
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You are looking to the problem for the solution.  The only thing "we" need to do is stop the government from deciding the curriculum. 

You think Feds/State/Teachers Unions/School Districts are going to give a shit about anything but themselves?  They decide the curriculum, and until that changes, we're fucked.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:58 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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Which is the whole point of this article--changing the guys behind the curtain.  I would say the Feds have the biggest influence on the curriculum.  We can demand change until we are blue in the face.  It doesn't seem to have any real effect.  We have to try to show the sheep that they are being fucked so they will try to join the cause.  People at least seem to be interested in what their kids are being taught, and they are also concerned with how much money they are paying for medical care.  Anonymous may have some issues, but at least they are doing something real, and speaking out against the status quo.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 03:05 | Link to Comment redpill
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Punk rock bands speak out against the status quo, that doesn't make them a real movement.  Whining about the symptoms doesn't address the problem, especially when some of your "demands" are the same authoritarian-minded "solutions" that have caused many of the problems we face.  Perhaps "Anonymous" should stick to single-subject issues as they mostly have in the past.  Since they insist they are an idea, and not an organization, then perhaps they need to refine that idea into a more logically coherent philosophy prior to attempting to "rally the troops" as it were.  Trotting out contradictory horseshit is no way to get people who are serious about change on board with your e-revolution.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Stilicho
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Yes!

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment honestann
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Whoever this is, they need to focus.  And they certainly need to stop advocating slavery.

That's right, slavery.  When you say insane things like "health care is a right", that necessarily means someone must provide it.  Which means, the provider has no choice, since everyone has a right to receive the services they provide.

They badly need to focus, and resist the temptation to create some gigantic political platform, which seems to be happening... if this is indeed "anonymous" at all, and not the CIA or NSA or who-knows-what.

Pick one issue and stick to it.  Choose honesty, liberty and individualism perhaps.  Consistent with that fundamental stance, they can demand that [corporate/personhood] fictions be abolished.

But cut all the extraneous crap.  Choose a fundamental focus, then show what directly flows from those fundamentals... and remain silent on everything else.  Otherwise it becomes a farce.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:56 | Link to Comment redpill
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+++++++

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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focus.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:22 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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Listen, if there was a disease for which the cure was known and certain people kept it a secret, would that not be a crime against humanity?  This happens every day because only certain people are taught how to cure diseases that are common.  These people then are able to extract a huge premium for their services.  Shouldn't this info be common knowledge taught in every school?  But it's not.  I wonder why?  Is it more expensive to publish a medical book than an economics book?  Is it really that much harder to teach?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:29 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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People would tell you that only certain people can learn it just like they told Jaime Escalante (not sure about the spelling) about calculus.  Fail.  He was able to get inner city disadvanteged youth to pass the advanced calculus exams and was accused of cheating.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment goldsaver
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Huge fail on your part. The information is not a secret Skippy, you can learn it and research it yourself. There are hundreds of books that provide the information. Start with "Where there are no Doctors". Or the guide to symptoms and diagnosis. The same information that doctors learn at medical school. And speaking of medical school, you are free to attend one... as long as you can pay for it. You are free to acquire the information. I am under no obligation to provide it to you for free.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:24 | Link to Comment Creed
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goldsaver, you don't understand what the man is saying

 

he's saying instead of teaching kids a bunch of useless shit

 

teach them medical info that will keep them healthy and out of the poorhouse

 

he's not saying tax us for more education, he's saying educate them in something that fucking matters instead of inanities x infinity

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:25 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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You failed to see my arguement.  More money is spent on public education than would be spent on learning medicine, which is more valuable than anything else taught.  How much money is spent on K-12 education so that a graduate can get out and earn minimum wage? 

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=17079

k-12 education costs $100,000

Medical expenses are killing our country.  Would it not be prudent to teach medicine K-12 to flood the market with doctors to reduce this killer expense?  Would a doctor who practices medicine in his own family, which every family would have if we taught it, be sued by his own family?  Probably some, but it would definitely drastically reduce malpractice insurance.  Think about it for a while.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:06 | Link to Comment redpill
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Because just spending more money on education has worked SO WELL so far, right?

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:43 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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Obviously we spend too much for the results we are getting.  You got me all wrong.  Government screws up everything they get involved in.  Are you saying we should abolish K-12?  The way it is being run now we probably should.  I'm saying we need to reform it and teach what needs to be taught.  We could teach medicine K-12 just like math and English.  The money saved on health insurance and medical care would more than pay for it.  But powerful lobbyists would never have it, which is why this whole overthrow the system seems to be necessary at this point.  Which is why I'm posting on this thread.  I didn't come here to try to bash the people who are trying to put out some ideas.  I'm not here to twist their words or try to make fun of their grammar like many here seem to be.  If you have some ideas lets hear them instead of the personal attacks.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:46 | Link to Comment redpill
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Ending all legal protection/subsidy for teachers unions would be a nice start, our children should not be bargaining pawns in a labor dispute.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:36 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Very well put. I am one of the dumbest people walking the planet but I think the focus they need is staring us in the face. They are elite hackers. The most passive agressive (politics) form of soul and liberty killing thing on this planet is the US tax code. It contains more rules and formulas that all of the scriptures from the major religions combined ... such that it can only be done using privateer software. The highest PhD for lawyers/washington lobbyists is called "LLM in Taxation"

I'll bet a Jackson that turbo Timmay is the head of Anon. Lets fight for him! The only downside is that CNBC will go out of business without the adverts from BDO and Taxmasters.

i.e. Instead of putting trojans in porn sites, go after tax software products before skynet becomes aware.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:41 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Part One excerpted from the book Full Spectrum Dominance Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order by F. William Engdahl Third Millennium Press, 2009, paperback

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/American_Empire/PartOne_FSD_Engdahl.html

p39
Following World War I, the British Military had created the Tavistock Institute to serve as its psychological warfare arm. The Institute received its name from the Duke of Bedford, Marquis of Tavistock, who donated a building to the Institute in 1921 to study the effect of shell-shock on British soldiers who had survived World War I. Its purpose was not to help the traumatized soldiers, however, but instead to establish the 'breaking point' of men under stress. The program was under the direction of the British Army Bureau of Psychological Warfare. For a time Sigmund Freud worked with Tavistock on psychoanalytical methods applied to individuals and large groups. After World War II, the Rockefeller Foundation moved in to finance the Tavistock Institute and, in effect, to co-opt its programs for the United States and its emerging psychological warfare activities. The Rockefeller Foundation provided an infusion of funds for the financially strapped Tavistock, newly reorganized as the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations. Its Rockefeller agenda was to undertake "under conditions of peace, the kind of social psychiatry that had developed in the Army under conditions of war. Tavistock immediately began work in the United States sending its leading researcher, the German-born psychologist, Kurt Lewin, to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1945 to establish the Research Center for Group Dynamics. Lewin was interested in the scientific study of the processes that influence individuals in group situations, and is widely credited as the founder of 'social psychology.' After Lewin's death, the Center moved to the University of Michigan in 1948 where it became the Institute for Social Research. Tavistock's work over the next two decades was to co-opt legitimate psychological insights into social groups and social dynamics in order to refine techniques for social manipulation.

 

The poor grammar is somewhat endearing...

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment packman
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I think they've got the right idea, but absolutely horrible, horrible execution.

- Way too general with most of the demands/grievances

- Quoting Timothy Leary?  Come on. (for one thing Leary didn't care about clear air, water, and food - his thought was we should just get off this planet - literally)

- "Reduce Healthcare Costs" and "Make Healthcare a Human Right" are directly contradictory.

- "Make Healthcare a Human Right" and "Uphold the Constitution" are contradictory.

- Lots of goofy grammar mistakes and content inconsistencies, etc.
 

In general the demands are a mish-mash of often contradictory quasi-socialist and free-market ideals, and as such really just won't be taken seriously by anyone who actually has the power to make significant change.  They want government "hands off" with all things financial/corporate and military, but "hands on" with everything else (health care, education, environment, infrastructure, social).  You can't have it both ways.I had thought that Anonymous generally had libertarian ideals, but from this proposal that appears to not even be close to the case.  Libertarians don't believe it's the government's role to do a lot of the things on that list.

Overall - seems like the ramblings of a bunch of high school kids on pot.  If you want to be taken seriously, you've got to get serious.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:06 | Link to Comment D.M.
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I agree with all your points and would like to add that the only Americans who will even stumble on this letter are people who already have interest in these issues. I <3 you TD, but this stuff is pointless. This collapse has been in the oven for some time now, and its almost fully baked.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:58 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Deeds speak.

Can you provide significant, substantial and regular indictable evidence on any of the usual suspects to prove you have what it takes to lead?

An infowar is just a continuation of cyber diplomacy by other means....

Show us what you can do first.

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:29 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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+1 for "actions speak louder than words"

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:49 | Link to Comment hayleecomet
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I'm with you, Palmer. 

Anon, if you're reading this it is important that you provide some actionable revelations.  We need less talk and more action.  Hack away, quit talking and start printing your material.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Inibo E. Exibo
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Anonymous impresses me less every day. They keep saying they are going to do BIG THINGS, but I'm still waiting. The little bit I could stand by glancing at this announcement was sort of radical pablum. Something to appeal to everyone but offend no one. Truth, justice and the American way, just without all the bad stuff.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:31 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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What are you doing?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:01 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Gee, they had a few typos, so obviously the inteligentsia here is way too sophisticated to join up and do something. It's much better to sit at your computer and pontificate and explain how they need to know their history better and have better spelling and grammar, etc... than to actually do something. Heck, just sit back, drink some diet soda, ingest aspartame, have a few smokes, shop at Walmart and wait for someone else to actually do something.

We've all become middle managers in America...letting someone else do the actual dirty work. We're all much better at supervising and explaining why it should be done exactly our way and only our way.

Then we sit back and wonder why nobody's done anything for our entire adult lives about their list of complaints. Oh heck, it's easier to be the critic than to actually put your own effort out there for everyone else to shred and note every single mistake you've made. So why bother...just go back to the comfort of victim mentality and complaining, it's much easier than sweating.

Here's a video for the critics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdBlZzuadLQ

And yes, much of this applies to me also, eacept the soda, aspartame, Walmart crap. So I can handle a good introspective look at myself. For those that cannot, feel free to junk away...Just take a good hard look in the mirror when you wake up tomorrow and keep telling yourself "I am not a pussy".

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Misean
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yes wel comyunikaytin iz kinda nesesary if yur gonna git a messageout via the written word i mean look at thomas paine they;rez a guy who could rite up a stomr i tell ya cuz itz hard to read even well constructid sintincez if the spelin and grammer r off if you know what i mean i could go fer hours but i think yu git my pinot no

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:54 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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*pinot noir*

fixed it for ya

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:29 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Understood. But sometimes things such as this just take off due to passion instead of rationality and reason. Yes, they are often crushed because of just that, but I give them credit if they end up doing more than sitting at a keyboard firing off missives on bulletin boards.

A little overkill on your point. If their messsage was that bad they would be dismissed outright. Their typos are typical of nearly everything printed anymore. Many of Tyler's own messages here have similar typos...so they should be considered illegitimate it appears as well as every message posted that might have typos too? It's become an unfortunate side of the cyber age. I teach college kids part-time and I've seen how poorly many kids in their late teens and twenty can write. It's an unfortunate side of the cyber/texting era. As the posters below note, they'll be the ones doing the grunt work of it all anyway, while the middle-agers look on and try to supervise and reap the rewards while not getting anything dirty on themselves.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:24 | Link to Comment mdwagner
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Agreed completely. Who gives a flying fuck if they use good grammar?  The act of standing up to government and banks without being caught or stopped is far more important.

 

Are BLS reports and Ben Bernanke books more legitimate because they're edited?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:28 | Link to Comment Misean
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The point of those reports is to obfuscate, not communicate. The use of proper spelling and grammar confers legitimacy. It confers legitimacy to proper ideas as well.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:31 | Link to Comment mdwagner
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I think that's shortsighted.  The 50-somethings on this board aren't going to be the ones that lead the revolution.  It'll be the young people who can't spell or write because schools suck shit and poor grammar and spelling are accepted by the youth of today.  It's going to be the teens and twenty-somethings who will never get a job and have no future and huge student loan bills.  They never had a chance to live the lives that most of us have.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:27 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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'It's going to be the teens and twenty-somethings who will never get a job and have no future and huge student loan bills.  They never had a chance to live the lives that most of us have."

 

Just take a look at the ME. Or generally anywhere for that matter.

 

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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Not-An,

"Just take a look at the ME...."

And the encouragement young folk are receiving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhNRnSxrv6w

- Ned

{good to see ya hangin' around these parts}

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:20 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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It'll be the young people who can't spell or write because schools suck shit and poor grammar and spelling are accepted by the youth of today.

Are you kidding me?  While schools may "suck shit" as you most eloquently put it, learning proper spelling and grammar can be practiced anytime, and should be reinforced by good parenting.  More excuses for generation dumb, spoiled and lazy.

Young people will be the ones on the street because they are most easily manipulated into whatever cause will benefit them the most.  Promise them an iPod and anarchy will ensue.

Huge student loan bills?  No one said you have to attend college.  Is this another plea for entitlement?

If you are a teen or 20 something, here is some good advice, not whiny entitlement thinking.  Since you will probably be stuck living with your parents the rest of your adult life, learn to help out in a productive way.  Don't just suck at their savings like a vampire.

Get off your ass, go outside and teach yourself how to grow your own food.  It only takes a few months and instead of pumping your parents for beer money or a new social networking device, buy some compost, seeds and build yourself a raised bed garden.  It is amazing the feeling of accomplishment you get when you actually do something productive for yourself.

Let me suggest a few other things.

Buy yourself some basic woodworking implements.  Hell, go all out and buy a table saw. Learn to build your raised bed gardens.  Learn to fix things around your parents house for money.  Offer your services in your neighboorhood, and do odd jobs around there, for money.

Get a library card and visit the library at least once a week.  Reading will help you work on those skills you are lacking in, and guess what, they have music and movie too.  They even have the most current releases.  Save your money!

Open a cookbook and teach yourself to cook the things you grew in your garden.

Mow the fucking grass for money.  Put a migrant worker out of a job.

Clean your parents house for money.  Put the migrant workers wife out of a job.

If you are a teen or 20 something and you feel all these suggestions are beneath you, then you are suffering from entitlement syndrome.  Get a swift kick in your ass, stat!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:36 | Link to Comment Broker NotBroke
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you mad?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:55 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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No, crazy.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 04:56 | Link to Comment mdwagner
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You fail to realize that the propaganda machine has prevented this way of thinking for the vast majority of the population.

 

I agree with a lot of what you're saying on a personal level, but that isn't going to make most people happy.  Kids today saw their parents get whatever they wanted with easy credit and they aren't going to be able to get it.  They were brainwashed into thinking that the best schools (read, most expensive) will get them the best jobs so they can buy the best stuff.  This left them in permanent debt slavery.  Student loan debt is the most unforgiving debt that exists.  I pity the kids that have $250k in student loan debt with a Masters degree in Liberal Arts who has to work at McDonalds or Walmart (if they're lucky).  They can't ever walk away from this debt like people in houses are doing.  How would mowing lawns help them?  I'd be furious at government.  Every dime you make for the rest of your life is going to be garnished, with some government employee deciding how much you're allowed to keep.

Student loans are the biggest scam going.  Government guarantees of student loans are the main reason why costs of education have skyrocketed and created a generation of poorly educated slaves.

This is the kind of anger that will get people moving towards revolution.  That and hunger.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:54 | Link to Comment EvlTheCat
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A thoughtful response.  Sorry, I can't reply to it now!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:11 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The teens and twenty-somethings will only be the face and instigators of the revolution.  Their elders (not just the 50-somethings) will be the enablers and drivers of the revolution.  One needs to look no further than the current “technology assisted” uprisings in the Middle East to see examples of this. 

In Yemen, where there are three distinct “revolutions” in progress (excluding Al-Qaeda) the protests in Sana are led by disillusioned youth.  Their movement is buttressed by the defection of certain Generals.  This defection was authorized by the same tribal elders who back the current president.  Even killing fifty protesters a day- the carnage would have to continue for a lengthy period to match the bloodletting in the revolutions is the rural northern and southern areas of the country.  The vast domestic cache of firearms, which rivals the US on a per capita basis, has not been brought to bear in the urban uprising yet.  This is not due to the quaint government policy of checking one’s gun at the city gates in Sana.

In Libya, the protesters were actively confronted by the State.  The defections of tribal elders and clerics took legitimacy from the State and passed it to the protesters.  Certain early defections of key military and establishment officials, such as the Minister of the Interior, enabled to the armories in the eastern half of the country to be used to arm the teens and twenty-somethings before Quadaffi started bombing the armories.  The subsequent crackdown, in the face of the defections of the tribal elders, clerics, military, and diplomats, drew support for the revolution from neighboring Arab States and the international community, and now there is a full blown civil war in Libya.

The tribal power structure prevalent throughout the Middle East does not exist in the United States.  If the Federal government were to crack down on a revolution of the teens and twenty-somethings in the US, then the support of their elders- through the churches, business community, and most importantly, the State governments, would be required to prevent the quashing of the revolution.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:48 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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It doesn't take a genius to realise that the Bernank is full of shit.  I'll bet there have been millionaires that could not read and write well.  Were they illegitimate?  I'd wager that people with less grammatical skills have done more for the world than you.  Get over your superiority complex and join the revolution.  If you have better ideas lets hear them.  Your ideas are probably to elect better people right?  Both candidates in almost every important election are bought and paid for before they get on the ballot.  Think outside the box.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:56 | Link to Comment Misean
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Yes, but what does that have to do with being literate? How does one communicate complex ideas with an illiterate? Doesn't sloppy, ignorant thinking allow for clever shills to usurp a revolution?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:18 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Great coverage on that point.

(Take me to your leeder  http://www.newyorker.com/online/multimedia/051128_mankoffaliens)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:47 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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"So I can handle a good introspective look at myself"

 

Just do it.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 09:14 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Done. You should try it sometime. Then you may be able to respond with more than one-liners.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 23:11 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
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You probably won't be back this way, but if you happen to read this, I was complimenting the peron who posted the value of self introspection.  And yes, I frequently take a look at myself.  A real source of power and strength.  As far as the one liners - what do you expect, I'm the VI.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Sign me up....Pitter Patter ,lets get atter.

Jefferson says the Tree of Liberety needs refreshened from time to time with blood,it is it's natural fertilizer.

Good man he was...cared for his country.

Wed, 03/23/2011 - 23:59 | Link to Comment The Fonz
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Man, these guys are going to get a lot of people in trouble.  They are going to recruit people that have no idea what they are doing for Anonymous.  I have to think that when the govt comes for a opposition groups they are coming for this crew of unfortunately obvious hackers.  The organizers will probably be OK, but most of the common recruits are going to get a lot of attention if they start providing help to Anon.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:41 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
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Scared much?  A lot of people are already in trouble.  Pretty much everyone alive today.  Man up!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Coldfire
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Psyop. And a very mongrelly one. Positive rights (which unilaterally impose obligations on others) and Abraham Lincoln, the original federalist thug? No thanks.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 02:48 | Link to Comment Hicham
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What opposition would you consider NOT to be a psyop by the omniscient PTB. I'm surprised you're not yet convinced that zerohedge is a psyop..

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Broker NotBroke
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Ok, so...Let's write our own.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Misean
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I'm torn.

1. Down with government.

It's kinda short.

1. Collect underwear

2.

3. Profit.

This one needs more work. I'll get back to ya...

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:18 | Link to Comment Broker NotBroke
Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:22 | Link to Comment Misean
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Yep it's a problem. In my thinking it boils down to thugs. Thugs create demand for protection, and those that offer protection are either thugs for hire, or hire thugs. This creates a demand at the margin for thugs, thus creating more of them.

(  ;) I have read the article and most of the material he referes to.)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 01:06 | Link to Comment Broker NotBroke
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I wish he'd presented a solution beyond " there's a profit maximizing level of thuggishness" where the sheep are spared just enough to allow them to keep working and producing. Depressing!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 05:46 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Elegant solution – Devolve Power.

 

For example, every fascist’s favorite clause of the 2nd Amendment reads, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State”   There is nothing that prevents, for example, the Governor of Virginia from raising an auxiliary militia consisting of every able-bodied man of sound mind and good stature.  The state National Guard and facilities, could be employed to provide proper training in both operation and civic values.  Standard issue M-4s can be manufactured in-state and sold to auxiliary volunteers for hard currency (gold or silver- provide needed local jobs and build currency reserves).

 

Federal politicians are extremely reluctant to organize against the 2nd Amendment when applied on an individual level, and would have no standing to organize against its application on a state level.

 

Furthermore, the federal authorities’ demonstrated inability to identify, process, and remove a relatively small number of illegal immigrants from the larger population, does not bode well for any effort to  identify, process, and remove arms currently held by over a third of the population.

 

A well armed populace is the best protection against both the tyrannical state and the common thug.  

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:53 | Link to Comment Village Idiot
Village Idiot's picture

I'm torn.

 

funny

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Reductio ad Absurdum
Reductio ad Absurdum's picture

Andrew Jackson: are they saying we should forcibly deport Indians? (in which case, I agree)

JFK: ??? what did he ever do? Bay of Pigs? Vietnam? have good speech writers? Eisenhower was an infinitely better President and infinitely better human being than JFK ever was; even that damn moon shot was Eisenhower's program

Have you noticed how organized "Anonymous" has suddenly become? I have to believe that this version of "Anonymous" is a foreign intelligence operation, enacted by Russia, China, or some mohameddan terrorist pussies in an effort to (every so slightly) further destabilize the U.S..

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:25 | Link to Comment mdwagner
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What did JFK do?  He tried to end the Fed's monopoly on printing money and stop Vietnam from escalating.  He warned of secret powers higher than government that run it.

 

No one since has done anything like that because they know they'll be killed if they do.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:45 | Link to Comment SilverBaron
SilverBaron's picture

Could anyone do a better job of destabilizing the U.S. than the Bernank?  And you elected the morons that appointed him so you are responsible.  It's time to man up and correct your mistake, or crawl back into your hole and wait for reality to be forced upon you.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment mdwagner
mdwagner's picture

The only people who can be elected are always bought and paid for by central banks.  Votes don't matter.  I've voted for Ron Paul in every election since 2000.

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