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Hank Mubarak Pulls The Bankster M.A.D. Trump Card: "If I Leave, Egypt Will Collapse"

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Hosni "Hank" Mubarak sure is learning from the best criminals in the world.... Fast. Well over two years after Hank Paulson told Congress that the world would end unless he was given unlimited power to give the banks however much money the needed, Egypt's despotic president has done exactly the same, and in an interview with ABC's Christiane Amanpour, "said he's fed up with being president and would like to leave office
now, but cannot, he says, for fear that the country would sink into
chaos
." And there you have it: the same mutual assured destruction strategy used by bankster and by despotic tyrant alike. One wonders - is there really any difference between the two.

From Christiane Amanpour:

I've just left the presidential palace in Cairo where I met for about 30 minutes with president Mubarak. He told me that he is troubled by the violence we have seen in Tahrir Square over the last few days but that his government is not responsible for it. Instead, he blamed the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned political party here in Egypt. He said he's fed up with being president and would like to leave office now, but cannot, he says, for fear that the country would sink into chaos.

I asked President Mubarak about the violence that his supporters launched against the anti-government protestors in Liberation Square.

He told me, "I was very unhappy about yesterday. I do not want to see Egyptians fighting each other."

When I asked him what he thought seeing the people shouting insults about him and wanting him gone, he said, "I don't care what people say about me. Right now I care about my country, I care about Egypt."

I asked how he felt after giving the speech Monday night, saying he would not run for president again, he told me he felt relief.

For now, Mubarak remains in the presidential palace with his family, heavily guarded by armed troops, tanks and barbed wire. We were joined by his son Gamal, who was once widely considered to be his successor. Mubarak told me it was never his intention to have his son follow him into office.

And he pledged his loyalty to Egypt. I would never run away, he said, I will die on this soil. He also defended his legacy, recounting the many years he has spent leading his country.

While he described President Obama as a very good man, he wavered when I asked him if hour felt the U.S. had betrayed him. When I asked him how he responded to the United States' veiled calls for him to step aside sooner rather than later, he said he told President Obama "you don't understand the Egyptian culture and what would happen if I step down now."

I asked him how he himself was feeling. He said I am feeling strong. I would never run away. I will die on Egyptian soil.

We forget: did Hank Paulson also say he would die on US soil when he used the same rhetorical contraption in September 2008? Or does he have everyone's permission to do so in a non-extradition treaty country, next to his stash of gold and his private jet?

 

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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:51 | 932044 NOTW777
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and on cue erin B supports him and with a smile says no democracy for those mid-east people

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:54 | 932064 tickhound
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Took the words right out of my mouth... future headline "mubarak saves egypt from economic collapse"

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:00 | 932089 NOTW777
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he knows better what the masses need just like ben

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:19 | 932190 Thomas
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But unlike Hank, he supported pyramids rather than pyramid schemes.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:24 | 932587 Pure Evil
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Why do so many people think democracy is such a panecea to societal corruption. We have democracy and yet our government crooks are bigger and we have a lot more of them. Living in a democracy is like living in prison. Voting for your political leaders is like voting for which group of prison thugs will be raping you later that week.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:58 | 932071 tickhound
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Junk this dupe

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:02 | 932100 Windemup
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He's lookin' for a bailout. A few billion in freshly minted fine paper ballots should do the trick.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:56 | 932366 Yen Cross
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Don't take it personally. Erin is against hunting camels in the outback.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:51 | 932047 jus_lite_reading
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ROTFLMAO!!!

 

PULL OUT THE M.A.D CARD BOYS! BEnron is about to do the same thing!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:33 | 932515 Michael
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Baghdad Bob had more credibility.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:57 | 932050 Ragnarok
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When do the Banks open in Egypt?  Fireworks baby!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:04 | 932114 Sudden Debt
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The real money is already being wired out at light speed.

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:59 | 932375 Yen Cross
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Ther are reports of a borg starship hovering over Cairo.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:56 | 932061 cougar_w
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The phrase “Après moi, le déluge” (“After me, the deluge") is attributed to the King of France, Louis XV.

It is worth pointing out that these characters create these very situations. Flood, indeed.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:17 | 932182 DaveyJones
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they're all Louis XV now, with crappy economic policies that ultimately lead to revolution

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:22 | 932209 cougar_w
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We've never really figured out how to kill kings. They have deep roots.

I think you have to kill the king, the king's entire family out to third cousins three times removed, everyone in the entourage, the king's advisors, the footmen from the coach, the town crier, and the hounds.

To start.

It turns out not to be worth it. I guess we'll always have kings. Though killing them all once in a while is certainly something to look forward to.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:30 | 932247 cosmictrainwreck
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you forgot all the wenches...oh, uh that's "entourage"

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:33 | 932263 DaveyJones
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revolution, venting, catharsis...as long as I get this anger out

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:35 | 932273 DaveyJones
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Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:35 | 932777 Big Ben
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King Louis was correct. The revolution lead to a deluge of blood in the streets. Lots of people, not just kings, were killed during the Reign of Terror by the "Committee of Public Safety". For example Lavoisier, the discoverer of oxygen was guillotined (for selling watered down tobacco). His lawyer told the tribunal: "You cannot execute this man. He is a great scholar!". To which the judge replied: "The Revolution has no need for scholars.".

Napoleon emerged later in the revolution and his wars spread death and carnage throughout Europe. (Not to mention all of the French soldiers who froze to death in Russia.) I cannot understand why the French continue to celebrate Bastille Day. To me, it seems that France and the rest of the world would probably be a lot better off if the French Revolution had never happened. (Of course, the USA did receive some benefit from the Louisiana Purchase, which Napolean consented to in order to finance his European wars.)

Rather than killing kings, it seems much better to do as the British did and simply marginalize them slowly over time.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:31 | 932254 dizzyfingers
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"ultimately lead to revolution"

Cannot possibly happen fast enough in US.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:55 | 932068 Don Birnam
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Hosni can ride out with his camel cavalry/Plainclothes Praetorian Guard. Would that the Opposition is successful in driving out this pharaoh wanna-be.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:32 | 932260 dizzyfingers
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The son Gamal will be a problem. The name, and his father has groomed him for "next".

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:45 | 932814 Ned Zeppelin
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It's not just a coincidence that his name rhymes with "camel"?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:55 | 932069 Cognitive Dissonance
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That's the signal to release the dogs of civil war upon the civilian population.

Now that he has made the statement that chaos is around the corner if he leaves, he will need to show through covert false flag attacks via plainclothes police and Army how bad it gets while he's there to "maintain control".

Self fulfilling phrophcey and all.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:04 | 932092 cougar_w
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I've been watching AlJazeera continuously this week (the reporting is excellent) and there is a lot of evidence from the scene that police and released convicts are attacking pro-democracy protesters, and factories on the edge of town have been emptied and workers bussed in paid to "protest".

Our own media are complicit in trotting out the chaos donkey.

If Egypt burns, it will be because Mubarak would rather see it burn than give it up.

EDIT: And to keep the real story under wraps the government thugs are harassing foreign journalists, who we can assume are more likely than State media to report on the methods of the regime.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:22 | 932211 DaveyJones
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you're right our own media have been pathetic on the source of violence. 

these guys were talking about it this morning

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/3/eyewitnesses_to_a_massacre_reports_from

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:30 | 932478 Nefarious Deeds
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I thought this was interesting too.  Same site:  http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2011/2/1/digital_darkness_us_uk_companies_help 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:59 | 932595 tonyw
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aljazeera online has been great with live coverage, you can watch it here:

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

 

The armed forces searched all the pro-democracy suporters and prevented them from taking in supplies (including food & medicine) to the square but did not prevent mubarak's thugs from attacking with weapons so not exactly totally unbiased.

Foreign journalists reporting for several organisations were attacked, with reports of Mubarak supporters said to have stormed a number of Cairo hotels. The attacks have drawn condemnation from Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Spain. A number of political activists were arrested by military police, as well as representatives of Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.

State media has claimed that foreign spys have gone to Egypt to stir up trouble so inciting distrust of foreign media crews.

 

IMHO mubarak will throw a few scraps to the crowds to try and split them and make them think some progress is being made. Of course it it all settles down then he will just round up anyone who has played a prominent part.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:55 | 933203 downwiththebanks
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This Movement isn't taking scraps.  That all ended beneath a hail of petrol bombs and rocks.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:01 | 932097 pan-the-ist
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You mean Mubarak's brown shirts?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:06 | 932116 Saxxon
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See, this is why I think the Egyptian revolution is done and Mubarak\The West won.

Mubarak is staying and so is his hand-picked successor.

They are just too well positioned with police\media\soldiers for whatever a very large a mob of courageous but unarmed and disorganized citizens can throw at them.

The despots all play by the same rule book and all help one another.  They are dead souls walking but how can you dislodge them?

Open question.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:18 | 932186 pan-the-ist
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In a libertarian society there would be no fascists or strongmen.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:47 | 932323 dizzyfingers
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Bring it on. Please.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:59 | 932374 Flakmeister
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  Yeah, and in heaven everyone gets a harp and their own little cloud, not to mention a Unicorn that shits kruggerands...

Never think about how an "ism" will succeed, figure out how it will fail. In there lies the path to wisdom.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:22 | 932452 pan-the-ist
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I think I am preaching to the choir.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:49 | 932999 dirtbagger
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You would love Somalia

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:22 | 932210 alien-IQ
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Never underestimate the power of a large mass of people who in unison determine that they have had enough.

Not that Americans will ever know that feeling....but they can see it on TV...except they can't watch Al Jazeera...so they can watch the watered down version of it on CNNFOXABCCBSMSNBC and the rest of the alphabet soup of the American mainstream propaganda machinery...but I digress...

oh yeah...BTFD...right?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:54 | 932355 equity_momo
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The Romanian mob managed to dislodge their problem in 1989. 

I imagine having a passive military and some heavies on your own side helps. 

 

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:04 | 932390 robertocarlos
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Laser guided bombs. Or drop a cruise missile on his house.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:10 | 932409 Assetman
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Excellent points, but I don't think it's over by a long shot, pardon the pun.  I do agree this round will go to Hank and the thugs, however.

The revolution does have a chance of working if the effort becomes a lot more organized and essential strategic assets are targeted.  The revolutionaries need to win supporters within the military/police, though, to have any chance at all.  The reasons the Egyptian people got to this point aren't going away, so there will be plenty of time to organize and find armed support.

One consequence of this revolt is that Mubarak isn't going to making any public appearances anytime soon.  It really didn't take much to remove Sadat from the scene, and I'm sure Hosni remembers 1981 like it was yesterday.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:57 | 932620 Calmyourself
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Make sure your country has a right to be armed with more than chunks of asphalt.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:57 | 932080 Just Observing
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Translation:

 

Give me a few more days to finishe up the last of my looting and I'm off to the Islands forever.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 15:59 | 932084 Dr. Porkchop
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Don't let the door hit you on the ass biotch.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:03 | 932090 bob_dabolina
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How cool is that though? I mean I wish I could do this at my job.

If you fire me...the United States of America will collapse. You sure you want to proceed?

If you don't give me $700 billion dollars by tomorrow @ 6:00AM SHARP....well...you are all fucking dead.

LOL! I think it's great.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:20 | 932192 downrodeo
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Yep, and the worst part is that we're helping the lie. We went along with it, we allowed ourselves to believe it, and I guess we'll deserve whatever we get from it.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:26 | 932228 pan-the-ist
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Who is "We?"  We didn't have a choice.

"We" need to buy bus tickets for the unemployed and send them to washington to protest.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:52 | 932570 downrodeo
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Big WE and little we. The big WE, the masses of American sheeple is what I was referring to in my post (NOT the little 'we' comprised of the ZH community, if that is where the confusion came from).

I get what you're saying completely. There weren't enough of us (ZHedgers, et al) to make a meaningful objection to it all.

However, we always have a choice. The bailouts should have sparked an insta-revolution, but WE (in the larger context of 'we') just sent some angry emails off to our congress critters, and that was the end of it. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, I guess.

 

I like your idea though. Better than bus tickets would be to have them walk. Imagine the message that would send.  

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:10 | 932652 bob_dabolina
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There weren't enough of us (ZHedgers, et al) to make a meaningful objection to it all.

If you are talking about TARP there was actually close to 90% of Americans opposing it. It took Hank Paulson saying (to congress) everything on Earth would die had it not passed.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:48 | 932822 Ned Zeppelin
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No, I like many Americans went ballistic and phoned and emailed our CONgress critters, many of whom voted "no" on the first TARP vote, but were later subjugated.  We never had a chance.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:20 | 932444 walküre
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2 completely different events.

Bankers pulled a fast one on Congress and the American people

Mubarak is a devoted EGYPTIAN who cares for what happens to ALL of Egypt when he leaves

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:00 | 932091 shushup
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OMG! I laughed so hard when I read this - Tyler you are the best!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:05 | 932095 Winisk
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A typical narcissistic technique on display.  Create the conditions for chaos to emerge, project the craziness onto those who have been victimized, preach restraint and patience to the outside world, while presenting himself as the only one capable of establishing order and calm. Yep. That pretty much describes the ruling elite.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:08 | 932129 Saxxon
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Winisk, not even narcissistic as that implies an ego that is still human and vulnerable at some level. Mubarak is a walking corpse, a very, very clever reptile.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:19 | 932189 duo
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I get the feeling that an similar scene will play out somewhere in the US soon, probably before the 2012 election.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:02 | 932103 faustian bargain
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I think in addition to 75 tons of gold, he's going to take a bucket of Egyptian soil with him to his secret island hideaway. So he can, you know, lie down on it when he's ready to die.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:06 | 932120 Misean
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The undead need to that as a matter of course. Otherwise they disitegrate.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:03 | 932105 Sudden Debt
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THE MAN IS A SAINT!!!

 

Now put him on a cross and let him go meet his maker...

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:47 | 932322 Hephasteus
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But that whole cross thing was just a bad carpentry accident.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:03 | 932106 hedgeless_horseman
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I would never run away, he said, I will die on this soil.

We shall see.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:06 | 932122 cougar_w
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I think a lot of people there would be happy to see the guy die on Egyptian soil, sooner rather than later. Tomorrow would be fine.

But yeah, his jet is fueled up and idling on the runway. Paris beckons.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:09 | 932135 Sudden Debt
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I BELIEVE HIM!

unless they hang him... then he'll die in "this air"

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:05 | 932118 entendance
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Egyptian protesters got ran over by the system thugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3wi3K8T3pPQ

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:06 | 932119 NOTW777
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according to cramer a bunch of hedge funds are short gold - this could get interesting the next few days

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:06 | 932123 Dapper Dan
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Hillary had better pick a replacement soon for Egypt, what is taking so long?

Bill must want a women replacement.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:07 | 932127 trav7777
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I knew it all along- he's doing it for the children

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:16 | 932177 Sudden Debt
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:)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:39 | 932243 DaveyJones
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Hosni's Kids

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:35 | 932274 High Plains Drifter
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Hank Mubarak, wants a peaceful and orderly transition of power. That way he and his Israeli backers can have time to think in the meantime between now and September.  These bastards are slippery like snakes. They must not allow them off the hook. Keep the pressure on in the streets.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:15 | 932128 Village Idiot
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Oh, the children.  I'm getting the ringtone.  Michael Jackson version rocks.

 

I was born in times of misery and pain
Throughout my life, I've never known happiness
Melody, my true love and company
In her song, she helps me carry on

I'm singing my song
I sing it for the children
This is a song
For the children of the world

In a song of peace and happiness is said
The harmony a sweet melody
In a song of peace and happiness is said
The harmony a sweet melody

This is a song
For all the world's children
Without conscious minds
And a positive meaning
They are the light
For all of God's people
Deep in their hearts
Is the hope of the future

This is a song
For all the children
This is a song
For all the children

This is a song

Send “Song for the Children” Ringtone to Your Cell

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:08 | 932130 Horatio Beanblower
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Uncle Ben - "nothing to do with me, guv"

 


"Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the US Federal Reserve, has dismissed the idea that the central bank’s policies are to blame for the rise in global food prices to a record high that helped trigger political unrest in Egypt." - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/8302111/Fed-chief-Ben-Bernanke-denies-US-policy-behind-record-global-food-prices.html

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:22 | 932208 faustian bargain
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This needs to be the focus for the media. Ben's hubris needs to be broken, if only for the entertainment effect.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:37 | 932277 Clampit
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That's not all of Ben's that needs broken ...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:09 | 932407 dizzyfingers
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May I choose what goes first?

:-)

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:50 | 932831 Ned Zeppelin
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Uncle Ben's Perverted Rice

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:09 | 932133 John Law Lives
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<<<  And there you have it: the same mutual assured destruction strategy used by bankster and by despotic tyrant alike. One wonders - is there really any difference between the two. >>>

There is a difference.  Despotic tyrants are evil, but at least they have a soul.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:11 | 932142 Sad Sufi
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Everyone watching Egypt understands how they long for freedom and dignity.  Our Egyptian brothers and sisters are true patriots.  Would that I was so brave.

They speak with integrity, while the power elite, all over the world speak with lies.  Thanks Tyler.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:13 | 932143 Convolved Man
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Mr. Mubarak, the Chinese Ambassador is here to discuss matters of mutual benefit.

Hosni, rong time, no see.  We can handle Amelicans, for you.  Owe us big time.

What you need?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:48 | 932327 hedgeless_horseman
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...in exchange for a little Egyptian cotton?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:13 | 932159 Dick Darlington
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Hank Mubarak, loooool

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:13 | 932161 serotonindumptruck
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The military will eventually turn against Mubarak and allow the masses to execute the sentence against him.

</ceausescu>

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:13 | 932166 destiny
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 Mubarak sure is learning from the best criminals in the world.... Fast

 

Yeah...can't be all that hard...he's one of those bastards...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:14 | 932169 High Plains Drifter
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Hank Mubarak?  Well I never....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:17 | 932180 Misean
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Maybe he's just angling for decent digs for his retirement years...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:17 | 932183 Johnny Lawrence
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This is bullish for equities, as Chipotle will be able to expand into Egypt.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:17 | 932184 dizzyfingers
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Hosni, really?  I don't think so...

Posted at 12:56 PM ET, 02/ 1/2011

Polls: Egyptian public dissatisfied with level of freedom By Peyton Craighill

The demonstrations sweeping Egypt are driven by high public dissatisfaction with levels of freedom and political participation. Public opinion polls from the Gallup Organization in Egypt in 2009 and 2010 rank the country near the bottom of the world on these key measures of democratization.

The most recent Egyptian data from March 2010 finds just 36 percent saying they are satisfied with the freedom available in their country and 61 percent are dissatisfied. That ranks Egypt fourth highest in dissatisfaction among the 151 countries polled by Gallup (only Bosnia-Herzegovina, Cuba and Madagascar showed higher dissatisfaction).

Data from 2009 are almost as bad; 28 percent of Egyptians said that elections in the country are honest and 61 percent said they are not, ranking 37th among countries polled. Another 68 percent said corruption is widespread throughout the government, ranking 86th on the world scale. (Government corruption ranks much higher in other Central African countries.)

There are several relevant Gallup questions that are not asked in Egypt like confidence in the national government, the judiciary, the military and approval of their leadership. The fact that these questions are too sensitive to even ask helps explain the dissatisfaction with the level of freedom.

Perhaps the most striking finding in the 2010 Gallup poll is the fact that only 4 percent of the public said they had voiced their opinion to a public official in the past month. That ranks Egypt dead last among the 151 countries polled.

For more public opinion data on democracy in Egypt see the recent release from the Pew Global Attitudes Project.

 

2011 02 01 12 56

By

Peyton Craighill  | February 1, 2011; 12:56 PM ET

Categories:  International polls

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2011/02/freedom_in_egypt_the_public_pe.html?wprss=behind-the-numbers

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:20 | 932193 dizzyfingers
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Tsk!

"he's fed up with being president and would like to leave office now, but cannot, he says, for fear that the country would sink into chaos"

You ARE president, dolt, and the country IS IN chaos, have you not noticed?! 

THEY WANT YOU GONE!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:20 | 932195 Sad Sufi
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http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/1/29/sharif_kouddous_reporting_liv...

is live twitter from Democracy Now Egyptian/American reporter in Tahrir Square with family members.  Fantastic: "People saying "this is the best revolution ever."  This is history in the making folks!!!!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:21 | 932204 Arius
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Give him a Bazooka....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:25 | 932220 Gubbmint Cheese
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so the egyptians hate freedom?

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:25 | 932221 Oquities
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TITF - too islamic to fail

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:25 | 932222 faustian bargain
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Invoking the fear of chaos not only shores up his support, it also gives him an out when things really do head south.

"See, you wouldn't let me do xxxxxxx policy and so now you get chaos. It's not my fault!"

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:25 | 932223 buzzsaw99
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He learned that trick from the joos.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:30 | 932242 Village Idiot
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who said we're good for nothing? 3..2..1

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:11 | 932414 buzzsaw99
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sorry, no offense, meant to say "joo bankers".

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:43 | 932555 Village Idiot
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now there's a group that's good for something.  and none taken.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:25 | 932224 dizzyfingers
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"did Hank Paulson also say he would die on US soil when he used the same rhetorical contraption in September 2008? "

Not sure, but let's assume he did and give him his wish. And all the other political hacks/puppets too.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:26 | 932227 Gimp
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Mubarack ain't leaving anytime soon. Global "thugs and crooks" stick together while there is still raping and pillaging to be done.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:30 | 932251 faustian bargain
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The real pros do it behind the scenes. Mubarak may just prove to be a patsy whose time is up.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:17 | 932437 walküre
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the alternative to a proper transition is chaos, anarchy, blood shed and well more chaos until the dust settles.

carry on, Gimp

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:30 | 932239 Johnny Lawrence
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When Mubarack finally does flee, you know he's taking all of the gold, silver, and home decor he can get his hands on.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:30 | 932246 jmac2013
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I must be among the most skeptical, because it's hard for me to believe that anything can happen in Egypt without TPTB having a major hand in it.

Reminds me of all those Democrats who voted for "hope" and "change" last presidential election.  Let's wait and see what happens before we pronounce this as a "revolution".

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:37 | 932285 cosmictrainwreck
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yup - had an "uprising" right there in Iran not long ago... this is a little different, though

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:49 | 932331 Sad Sufi
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Good point.  I have been dissappointed and tend towards cynicism myself.

 

I think part what rings in my heart about Egypt is that they are taking action with such integrity: peaceful, organized, and putting their life on the line, and they may win.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:32 | 932258 Pants McPants
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Maybe Mubarak, like Dubya and the free market, has to destroy Egypt in order to save Egypt.

I mean, where else can you get this kind of benevolence and doublespeak?  I love it.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:33 | 932265 RmcAZ
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THIS JUST IN: Mubarak implies that Egypt is not already in a state of "chaos".

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:15 | 932425 dizzyfingers
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Sounds like Paddy Bauler talking about Chicago. Weird.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:14 | 932283 Hephasteus
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So what I hear him saying Is...... I didn't get all the golds. Please let me come back and finish my stealinz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBjEcAPybsE&feature=related

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:38 | 932287 Village Idiot
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"Reminds me of all those Democrats who voted for "hope" and "change" last presidential election"

Yeah, I think that hope and change is down around Hyde Park Blvd. and 60th.  If you haven't seen it (4 million hits and counting) you'll love it.  Or be completely offended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-hPNrKdZI&feature=related

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:39 | 932292 downrodeo
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I don't know how to reconcile these two statements, although they were in the same thought:

i) I don't care what people say about me.

ii) Right now I care about my country, I care about Egypt

I guess it means that he cares about his country, just not the people in it or their thoughts. He sounds like an incarnation of Dick Cheney.

To the people of Egypt: do not look for new leaders to follow. You'll only be led astray again if you do. Instead, follow yourselves only; demand self-determination.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:43 | 932306 Village Idiot
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It's called the "Santa Clause." You feel me?

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:15 | 932426 downrodeo
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haha, well, I don't know why any of this still surprises me. I guess I'm just engaging in some make believe. It's fun to pretend...

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:42 | 932552 Village Idiot
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ah, just playing.  It is fun to pretend, though...that this will all be over soon.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:18 | 932438 dizzyfingers
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Where's the "flag as truth" key?!!!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:41 | 932300 Clampit
Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:19 | 932440 dizzyfingers
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Snorted coffee out my nose. Damn.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:45 | 932560 Clampit
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Whoa, now that's caffeine addiction ... oh, "out" uh - nevermind.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:43 | 932308 New Revolution
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You betch'a, ol' Hanky Paulson, yeppur.... he's in line for an ankle bracelet,... you betch'a.   And I'll have the keys to that there jet of yours you've got warming up out on der line out der.... yep.... you betch'a....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:58 | 932359 karzai_luver
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Now you see the grim fascist bankster face unmasked.

Have no doubt the strings are being pulled by the monied interests to protect their place atop the society helped by the U.S. imperial blood stained Nobel Peace Prize fraud and  Hitlery.

 

May they all meet the end of a rope hung over a vat of boiling acid.

 

Scum and murderous blight on humanity.

 

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:20 | 932446 dizzyfingers
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You can say that again!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:50 | 932339 The Grip
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No one is indispensible, even Jobs.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 16:51 | 932345 william the bastard
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The Mubarak family's net worth ranges from $40 billion to $70 billion, by some estimates.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/egypt-mubarak-family-accumulated-wealth-days-military/story?id=12821073

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:27 | 932472 walküre
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Right, and some estimate says there are 8,000 tonnes of gold in Fort Knox.

No question there are wealthy Egyptians. There is a middle class too, believe it or not.

Now all that is in question and what will come is complete and utter chaos, destruction and a much lesser standard of living for ALL Egyptians and some form of Islamic rule or military fascism or whatever else.

It's fucked up for good.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:03 | 932386 redarrow
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What an idiot, that is exactly what people want. A complete collapse of existing systems that do not work for them and replace it with a new one.

This is what irks me about the PTB, first they make a mess of the entire system and when they are exposed they say well it would have been messier, if you did it. So I shall stay and make more mess.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:04 | 932389 High Plains Drifter
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Hank Mubarak says he has been helping Egypt for 62 years of his life and he is fed up and ready to go but he says if he does go, that Egypt will descend into chaos. Oh come on Hank, give it break already.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:10 | 932406 walküre
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Muslim Brotherhood are the BrownShirts.

What the fuck is there to write / talk about? These guys follow Islam which is NOT compatible with DEMOCRACY because DEMOCRACY represents INDIVIDUAL freedom and privilege.

ISLAM is a COLLECTIVIST cultural phenomenon, call it religion or call it ideology. Whatever the fuck you want to call it but don't call it PROGRESSIVE.

There is no progression in Egypt when Muslim Brotherhood (the fucking name says it all) takes over.

What the fuck. I can't eat as much as I'd like to puke on those fucking Islamofuckers.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:28 | 932474 buzzsaw99
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Muzzies sux azz but least they don't joo everyone all the time.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:32 | 932508 walküre
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they don't?

try and collect from muzzies. good luck!

and the large muzzie families don't milk the system either.. see Spain, France, Germany, UK

more and more kids at any cost, no work, no problem.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:51 | 933191 redarrow
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So true, most westerners are not familiar with the Muzzie way. They live in an liberal world view. But people who have lived with the Muzzies for centuries know it, the Muzzies are fertile and raise kids younger and quite often have incomes which are modest. Usually those income levels are not compatible with large families. I am not saying that everyone is bad or all muzzies are f'ed up. There are exceptions in all religions and all cultures, but one thing is for sure, there are more Islamic trouble makers than from other religions. Perhaps because of poverty, environment or religious intolerance.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:35 | 932511 Weimar Ben Bernanke
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Who cares what happens in Egypt. We have an open border,unsustainable debt,a govt that keeps getting bigger and infringes on our rights. America needs the return of a non-interventionist foreign policy. If Egypt wants the brotherhood,then they shall get it. I do not care what happens to Israel,Iran,Pakistan or shiity country. We need to close all 800 of our military bases,put those troops on our borders. Our military does not deserve to be fighting these endles,useless,and illegal wars for no reason. I am sick and tired of us being the globocop of the world. If Israel wants to bomb Iran,then the should. However we should not back them up,or clean their mess. We should leave NATO and the UN.

"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities." -George Washington Farewell Address

 "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." --  Thomas Jefferson

 

Islam is not your enemy,the government that is taking your rights away in the name of national security is. 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:46 | 932568 walküre
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In theory. Yes, it sounds all good.

But reality is that we are all in this global thingy together and what happens in Egypt or China or Pakistan will effect us sooner or later.

If you haven't been paying attention.. our American wealth is by-and-large build upon international relationships with governments and industries around the globe.

Sure, we drop Egypt. Let them go to the dogs and save a couple billion in transfer payments each year.

The money is paying our access to the region and helps keep the Suez open.

The ship has sailed long ago where we can pretend to be "just us" and close the door on the rest.

If there's an Islamic revolution in Egypt, it will spread to the rest of the region and possibly engulf Europe soon as well.

The worst possible revolution is a revolution led by the dumb and hungry.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:38 | 932785 Sad Sufi
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This is not a revolution led by the dumb and hungry.  This is educated people who observe good governance and want the same for themselves.  We should be happy that such a democratic "uprising" is happening.  It is what we "wanted" for Iraq, and it costs us nothing.  Live and let live, and take care of our own people.

The US Empire is crumbling, yes.  This is one of the positive ways it can break down: democracy in Arab countries.  These are not barbarians.  They are the fruit of ancient culture and religion.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:02 | 932872 spongeBOB
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Democracy, as is western style, will not happen untill the Israeli/palestenian issue is resolved and everybody is happy. This is something this American adminstration and all previous ones seem to ignore.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:02 | 933042 walküre
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Sure, the educated people set up road blocks every fucking 50 meters in Cairo, intimidate every body not from the same block and go out looting at nights. Some education.

Take your "fruit" and shove it.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:18 | 932925 StarvingLion
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Go to some Phd hangout (ex. http://www.corante.com/pipeline) and witness all the bitching about outsourcing.  Also note in the commentary that these smarties have no idea how the monetary system works ("Its the evil MBA's". lol).  Neither do the cops, nurses, admins,  etc etc.  ZH is the land of the dumb.  Do you think the Phds and govt socialists hangout here?  Blah blah about Islam all the while the bankers import them into western countries by the boatland through immigration. 

More bullshit from the likes of you.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:01 | 932875 SilverRhino
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ISLAM is a COLLECTIVIST cultural phenomenon, call it religion or call it ideology.

Memetic construct / memeplex is the word you are looking for.  

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 20:10 | 933057 walküre
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Right.

the UMMAH is what it's all about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah

good luck fighting the BORG.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:41 | 932547 Lapri
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She was attacked by Mubarak's thugs, but she didn't mention anything about that after the attack. And then she got to interview the president of Egypt.

Uh huh.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 17:52 | 932598 tony bonn
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and hitler had the same grand delusions about his indispensibility....

fuck you mubarak and fuck you barack....

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:00 | 932636 walküre
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Mubarak kept the peace in that region for decades.

He's accomplished much for the country and his people.

Compare to other regional players and judge that.

Egyptians achieved a higher standard of living than Lybians, Algerians, Tunesians and so on.

The country has no resources, no industry to speak of. But it did attract much foreign investment which setup shop there to supply the entire region. That's Mubarak's legacy.

So, the people didn't have democracy. Big fucking deal. Life isn't fair and not all things are equal. Illiterate people don't get to have a say and if they do, they vote for the fucking Brotherhood.

Now Egyptians that have good jobs at German and American companies in Egypt are out of a job. Great accomplishment!

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:34 | 932767 spongeBOB
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<The country has no resources, no industry to speak of>

Egypt has much more resources that many countries in the middle east. They are one the biggest Natural Gas exporters in the world and thy have oil. Also the Suez canal is a huge revenue source and they have decent industrial base and tourism is one of their biggest hard currency earner. On top of that they have some of the lowest labor cost in the area so thier products and workers are in demand. Egypt's problem is their population is 85+ millions , 5% rich 5% middle class and the rest are poor. Corruption is rampant but thats everywhere. The latest surge in commodities was really the straw that broke the camel's back not to mention what happend in next door in Tunisia so people with special agendas took advantage of the situation and now they want the president to leave in the middle of the night and go to Malta. Not a chance he will.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:45 | 932809 Sad Sufi
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Something can be said for the Mubarak: his people, after 30 years can distinguish right from wrong.  Now they want what is right, not the false promises: more cronism for the connected and 1/2 live on less than 2$ a day.   That is not a success, especially when the US sends 1 billion+ per year to prop up the place.  They can do better.  We can do better.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:08 | 932888 spongeBOB
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$2/day in Egypt used to be good money and believe it or not you could live a simple life and feed your family on that until the rampant inflation happened. The same can be said for other arab countries with low wages ,like Syria for example, were thing were very cheap or subsidized.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:51 | 932819 karzai_luver
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walkure

 

You are a disgrace.

 

Kept the peace, is that what it comes down to in the end ??

 

disgrace. when you get out of your basement we will talk again.

 

Kept the peace. Delusional.

 

Every two-bit slimeball thoughout history uses that as his excuse.

Some types of "peace" are not worth it.

 

The brits kept the peace over here for awhile as well.

To deny people the chance to live free and on their own even if it brings problems is the very heart of the nanny state which I bet you decry over here.

 

 

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 18:58 | 932855 Sad Sufi
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+100

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 19:18 | 932923 spongeBOB
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Americans talk about Egypt or Iraq as if was Switzerland or Sweden. Your system does not apply to everybody and there are many types of democratic systems that can be fit to each country/society. A country like Egypt with large population large percentage of poor and not enough resources was better off when they had a Socialist system. Things were devided more equally between people and nobody starved. Embracing the free market system, thanks to the IMF was a mistake and the Egyptian poor are paying for it.

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