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Has Ray Dalio Mastered the Machine?

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Via Pension Pulse.

John Cassidy wrote an excellent article in the New Yorker magazine, Mastering the Machine, on how Ray Dalio built the world's biggest and strangest hedge fund:

Ray
Dalio, the sixty-one-year-old founder of Bridgewater Associates, the
world’s biggest hedge fund, is tall and somewhat gaunt, with an
expressive, lined face, gray-blue eyes, and longish gray hair that he
parts on the left side. When I met him earlier this year at his office,
on the outskirts of Westport, Connecticut, he was wearing an
open-necked blue shirt, gray corduroy pants, and black leather boots.
He looked a bit like an aging member of a British progressive-rock
group. After a few pleasantries, he grabbed a thick briefing book and
shepherded me into a large conference room, where his firm was holding
what he described as its weekly “What’s going on in the world?”
meeting.

Of the fifty or so people present, most were clean-cut men
in their twenties or thirties. Dalio sat down near the front of the
room. A colleague began describing how the European Central Bank had
just bought some Greek bonds from investors at a discount to their face
value—a move that the speaker described as a possible precursor to an
over-all restructuring of Greece’s vast debts. Dalio interrupted him.
He said, “Here’s where you are being imprecise,” and then explained at
length what a proper debt restructuring would entail, dismissing the
E.C.B.’s move as an exercise in “kicking it down the road.”

 

Dalio
is a “macro” investor, which means that he bets mainly on economic
trends, such as changes in exchange rates, inflation, and G.D.P.
growth. In search of profitable opportunities, Bridgewater buys and
sells more than a hundred different financial instruments around the
world—from Japanese bonds to copper futures traded in London to
Brazilian currency contracts—which explains why it keeps a close eye on
Greece. In 2007, Dalio predicted that the housing-and-lending boom
would end badly. Later that year, he warned the Bush Administration that
many of the world’s largest banks were on the verge of insolvency. In
2008, a disastrous year for many of Bridgewater’s rivals, the firm’s
flagship Pure Alpha fund rose in value by nine and a half per cent after
accounting for fees. Last year, the Pure Alpha fund rose forty-five
per cent, the highest return of any big hedge fund. This year, it is
again doing very well.

 

The discussion in the conference room
moved on to Spain, the United Kingdom, and China, where, during the
previous week, the central bank had raised interest rates in an attempt
to slow inflation. Dalio said that the Chinese economy was in danger
of overheating, and somebody asked how a Chinese slowdown would affect
the price of oil and other commodities. Greg Jensen, Bridgewater’s
co-chief executive and co-chief investment officer, who is thirty-six,
said he thought that even a stuttering China would still grow fast
enough to push world commodity prices upward.

 

Dalio asked for
another opinion. From the back of the room, a young man dressed in a
black sweatshirt started saying that a Chinese slowdown could have a
big effect on global supply and demand. Dalio cut him off: “Are you
going to answer me knowledgeably or are you going to give me a guess?”
The young man, whom I will call Jack, said he would hazard an educated
guess. “Don’t do that,” Dalio said. He went on, “You have a tendency to
do this. . . . We’ve talked about this before.” After an awkward
silence, Jack tried to defend himself, saying that he thought he had
been asked to give his views. Dalio didn’t let up. Eventually, the
young employee said that he would go away and do some careful
calculations.

 

After the meeting,
Dalio told me that the exchange had been typical for Bridgewater, where
he encourages people to challenge one another’s views, regardless of
rank, in what he calls a culture of “radical transparency.”

Dalio had no qualms about upbraiding a junior employee in front of me
and dozens of his colleagues. When confusions arise, he said, it is
important to discuss them openly, even if that involves publicly
pointing out people’s mistakes—a process he referred to as “getting in
synch.” He added, “I believe that the biggest problem that humanity
faces is an ego sensitivity to finding out whether one is right or
wrong and identifying what one’s strengths and weaknesses are.”

 

Dalio
is rich—preposterously rich. Last year alone, he earned between two
and three billion dollars, and reached No. 55 on the Forbes 400 list.
But what distinguishes him more from other hedge-fund managers is the
depth of his economic analysis and the pretensions of his intellectual
ambition. He is very keen to be seen as something more than a
billionaire trader. Indeed, like his sometime rival George Soros, he
appears to aspire to the role of worldly philosopher. In October, 2008,
at the height of the financial crisis, he circulated a twenty-page
essay immodestly titled “A Template for Understanding What’s Going On,”
which said the economy faced not just a common recession but a
“deleveraging”—a period in which people cut back on borrowing and
rebuild their savings—the impact of which would be felt for a
generation. This line of analysis wasn’t unique to Dalio, but almost
three years later, with economic growth stagnating again, it does not
seem off the mark.

 

Many hedge-fund managers stay pinned to their
computer screens day and night monitoring movements in the markets.
Dalio is different. He spends most of his time trying to figure out how
economic and financial events fit together in a coherent framework.
“Almost everything is like a machine,” he told me one day when he was
rambling on, as he often does. “Nature is a machine. The family is a
machine. The life cycle is like a machine.” His constant goal, he said,
was to understand how the economic machine works. “And then everything
else I basically view as just a case at hand. So how does the machine
work that you have a financial crisis? How does deleveraging work—what
is the nature of that machine? And what is human nature, and how do you
raise a community of people to run a business?”

The
entire article is too long to post here. I recommend readers buy a copy
of the New Yorker magazine and read it. It's also available online by
clicking here (9 pages in all).

I've already shared with you the time I met Ray Dalio back in 2004 when I discussed his principle #11, which is my motto in life: "Never say anything about a person you wouldn't say to him directly. If you do, you're a slimy weasel."
Unfortunately, the slimy weasel who accompanied me on that trip screwed
me over, but that's alright, he offered me tremendous opportunities too,
and in the end he did me a favor. I hate working with weasels who are
more concerned about managing their careers than managing money.

I also remember in that meeting when I told Ray I was much more
concerned bout deflation than inflation (still am but the banksters will
fight it tooth and nail), and he responded: "Son, what's your track
record?," a polite way of saying "what the fuck do you know about
managing money, kid?" That's what I like about Ray Dalio, his
confrontational style. No bullshit, no sitting on the fence, tell me
what you think and why I should listen to you. If I worked at
Bridgewater, we'd either end up as best friends or as mortal enemies. I
back down from nobody -- not Ray Dalio, not George Soros -- nobody
intimidates me! I couldn't care less if you have more money than God, if
I think you're full of shit, I'll tell it to you in your face!

Maybe
that's why I'm blogging, doing my own thing and happier than ever. I
like being the odd guy out, working on the fringes. And that's why I
like Ray Dalio and Bridgewater. But I also fear that they too will
ultimately be victims of their success. Hope I am wrong because lots of
pension plans are relying on Bridgewater, but the bigger you are, the
harder you fall.

And Ray, extend and pretend will continue. The debt boogeyman is overdone and once this week passes and they sign some deals in Brussels and Washington, the world will wake up to another beautiful day.
As big and as smart as Bridgewater is, the world's financial oligarchs
are bigger, stronger, more corrupt and more devious, always scheming on
how to fuck the system to make ever more profits and record bonuses. Yup, at the end of
the day, the slimy weasels will win and the rottenness of the world will prevail.

 

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Tue, 07/19/2011 - 19:48 | 1472348 mh505
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It seems Zero Hedge is looking its criticial edge ...

Let me recommend all of you to have go over to the eXileD and see Mark Ames's profile of the man

http://exiledonline.com/can-billionaire-ray-dalio-handle-the-truth-about...

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 22:40 | 1472741 Vic Vinegar
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Why not respond to a spammer?  It can be fun.

Losing its critical edge?  What do you think Tyler throws in your face everyday on the main page?

Personally I think Leo understands things quite well:

As big and as smart as Bridgewater is, the world's financial oligarchs are bigger, stronger, more corrupt and more devious, always scheming on how to fuck the system to make ever more profits and record bonuses. Yup, at the end of the day, the slimy weasels will win and the rottenness of the world will prevail. 

Seems to sum it up well.  That doesn't mean our lives have to be shitty however.

By the way that exiledonline site is pathetic.  "Have you no shame!  Donate now" is quite telling.

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 14:30 | 1471223 fiddler_on_the_roof
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Good article Leo. Bankers/Oligarchs will fight deflation and as FOFOA says will be first in line for the credit money.

They will not outrun the Bear but they will outrun the other citizens

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:05 | 1470545 Jumbotron
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Dalio is the new bubble.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:56 | 1470488 Hedgetard55
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So Ray looks like a British patrician actor and surrounds himself with good looking young men. AND beats the markets year after year. Hmmmm...sounds like a gay Bernie Madoff to me.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:43 | 1470413 Vic Vinegar
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This might be your best one yet Leo.  Great stuff and I dig your attitude.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:34 | 1470355 Derpin USA
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Yeah, but did you have lunch or brunch with him?

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:10 | 1470249 doomandbloom
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insider trading, perhaps?

 

 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:03 | 1470206 alexwest
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###
I've already shared with you the time I met Ray Dalio back in 2004 when I

I also remember in that meeting when I told Ray I was much more concerned bout deflation than inflation (still am but the banksters will fight it tooth and nail), and he responded: "Son, what's your track record?," a polite way of saying "what the fuck do you know about managing money, kid?"
###

Leo , please ...
deflation in 2004.. who are you kidding too whom?

and another one,
Leo , dont want to spoil your memories but you got Ray's question "Son, what's your track record" wrong..
what he meant that what were your accomplishments to even discuss deflation/inflation?

having or not having track record have nothing to do w/ defaltion/inflation..

alx

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:02 | 1470200 papaswamp
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The NY Mag article is excellent...you don't have to worry about Ray leo...he has his time horizon and will step away from the game probably around this time next year (or sooner). Whether Bridgewater will survive without him is another story.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:02 | 1470198 Uncle Remus
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The debt boogeyman is overdone and once this week passes and they sign some deals in Brussels and Washington, the world will wake up to another beautiful day.

 

I have to tell you Leo, that is nauseating. I translate that to "the crimes will continue unabated".

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 15:07 | 1471409 Leo Kolivakis
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Call it what you want, crime, it's just business as usual!

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:00 | 1470187 ATG
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Begging irony for all to see:

"I back down from nobody -- not Ray Dalio, not George Soros -- nobody intimidates me! I couldn't care less if you have more money than God, if I think you're full of shit, I'll tell it to you in your face!"

 

Hey Leo, you're full of it

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:05 | 1470220 alexwest
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exactly, you read my mind

alx

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:54 | 1470148 TruthInSunshine
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And Ray, extend and pretend will continue. The debt boogeyman is overdone and once this week passes and they sign some deals in Brussels and Washington, the world will wake up to another beautiful day.

 

Leo Kolivakis -vs- Ray Dalio.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:45 | 1470100 putbuyer
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Leo. This is your best post ever. Nice and thanks

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:36 | 1470043 oddjob
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I like being the odd guy out, working on the fringes.

 

How is lauding assholes like Miacheal Sabia being the odd guy out?...you are so entreched in the establishment you could not tell right from wrong.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:40 | 1470395 oddjob
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He can't even take care of his briefcase let alone a a pension fund.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2011/03/16/sabia-theft-confidential.html

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:27 | 1469991 Gene Parmesan
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And Ray, extend and pretend will continue. The debt boogeyman is overdone and once this week passes and they sign some deals in Brussels and Washington, the world will wake up to another beautiful day.

 

Indeed. I plan on taking the unicorn out for a ride next weekend - it's supposed to be lovely weather.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 12:38 | 1470666 RafterManFMJ
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Indeed. I plan on taking the unicorn out for a ride next weekend - it's supposed to be lovely weather.

My unicorn generates her own weather on command.  You really should spring for some of the options next time.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:28 | 1469990 mirac
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Betcha Dalio won't be on the Forbes list in a years time. 

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 11:42 | 1470410 firstdivision
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You seem to forget that; if his fund blows up, he makes money.  If the fund is successful, then he makes money.

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 10:20 | 1469947 bigwavedave
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'leo the sycophant loser'.....

this new yorker story has been beaten to death for 2 days now. why don't you grow a pair fanboy?

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