Head Of Greek Debt Office Replaced By Former Goldman Investment Banker

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Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:19 | 237603 Not A Pundit
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Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:27 | 237718 Cognitive Dissonance
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After the peasant revolts ended in the late 1600's, the powers that be knew they needed to switch to a more covert form of control, which was implemented under the cover of freedom and liberty. Over the next two hundred years, the rest of the "developed" world slowly adopted the much more effective method of allowing the passengers to believe they were running the boat, thought the captain never relinquished control of the ship of state.

This period of covert control is rapidly coming to an end, thou the first experiments in fascism (more accurately corporatism) and modern central control were experimented with in the late 1930's in Europe. Now the wheel is coming around full circle and it's becoming obvious that covert control has run it's course and overt in-your-face control is the new fashion statement of the powers that be.

Welcome to the change Obama promised. He's simply the puppet in charge of change in America.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:43 | 237749 DaveyJones
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It is turning isn't it. As it gets worse, they are getting bolder. No more pretending

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 14:14 | 237795 assembler
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Practically a biblical fight club:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 15:38 | 237934 Cistercian
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 Yes.The operation of evil is very clear here.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 16:20 | 238013 B9K9
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I've caught some flack by stating that the Bible is the most importance reference document we possess. For some reason, a few people apparently mistook my obvious atheistic principles for ecclesiastical belief. Wrong; however, if one is interested in any historical precedent of how this situation plays out, simply open a page in the Bible and start reading.

Seven years of feast & famine? Check. Powers-that-be pre-emptively attempting to wipe out the opposition? Check. Lectures on the evils of money-lending? Check. The one constant throughout history is that on a fairly regular cycle, the PTB get whacked.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 20:49 | 238039 Cognitive Dissonance
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I also regularly pick up the Bible for reference. It's a wonderful historical document that has been thoroughly documented itself. Meaning all the changes that have been made have been made in plain sight. Once you get past the religious aspects, it's amazing how accurate it can be at times, particularly when you cross reference.

However, one of the things most people take for granted is that each version (the King James version is widely used today in America) has been faithfully (sorry, pun intended) translated and recorded. It has not. Still, it's a great place to start and finish.

Sat, 02/20/2010 - 20:21 | 238952 JohnG
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Interestingly enough, the many English language versions of the Bible were translated from Aramaic (and other ancient languages) into GREEK.

Things that make me say hmmmm.....

Sat, 02/20/2010 - 23:17 | 239028 Rusty Shorts
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I'm not the religious type, but ran across this speech by Barry Smith, in 1995, very spooky, in the sense of how much of what he said 15 years ago, has happened.



Sat, 02/20/2010 - 23:08 | 239021 Anonymous
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The Bible is a good book! I have gained many an insight through studying it's passages. One that has 'stood' me well for the past 8 yrs has been..."Save the seven GOOD years, for the seven BAD years"....It Works! (so far...)

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:48 | 237754 Anonymous
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"Now the wheel is coming around full circle and it's becoming obvious that covert control has run it's course and overt in-your-face control is the new fashion statement of the powers that be."

You are a wise man and marching towards becoming a Zen Master. I value your comments a lot.

btw. Thanks for your insightful article you posted earlier.
I was thinking to ask you a few questions, but I was caught up in a few things. Now I forget what I want to ask. :)

Whe I see your part II, I will remember to ask.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 21:29 | 238335 albion402
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always wondered what happened to my favorite Greek ag econ professor?

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 15:27 | 237912 Going Down
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First A Greek Tragedy and Now An Italian Comedy


“The transaction with Greece ‘was executed prior to the arrival of Draghi at Goldman Sachs,’ added sources from the [Banca d'Italia*], recalling that the governor [Draghi], who has headed the Banca d’Italia since the beginning of 2006, was vice president and managing director of Goldman Sachs in London from 2002 to 2005.



The story never ends.


Fri, 02/19/2010 - 21:30 | 238337 albion402
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Econometrics.... fun stuff for Greek lefty professors.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:20 | 237605 Ragnarok
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Real life really is more interesting than fantasy.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:05 | 237683 Anonymous
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That's why I don't read fiction.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 15:56 | 237966 WaterWings
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...and spend 7 hours a day on ZH instead. Sometimes I skip lunch.

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Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:22 | 237607 Stuart
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wow, talk about a real Greek tragedy. 

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 16:29 | 238029 Anonymous
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Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:22 | 237608 Ragnarok
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When all else fails blame the Nazis, as it is now the only group which you are aloud to discriminate against.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:48 | 237653 Misthos
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I'm beginning to see this a lot.  Remember, it is the *opposition* party that is bringing up the Nazi Germany thing. It's pure politics and demagoguery.  Too many people are accusing the entire country as wanting reparations from Germany.

But I will say this - that it is very strong demagoguery - I have heard horror stories about the German occupation from people alive today.  Those things are not easily forgotten - but again, it is the OPPOSITION party that is bringing this up - it's the only "solution" they can come up with and they are playing a xenophobia card.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:12 | 237693 Ragnarok
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I was also bringing up a broader point that Nazis were and are still always the bad guy, never terrorists, Stalin, Che, Castro or Mao as they garner sympathy from the liberal media.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:13 | 237696 Ragnarok
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Not defending Nazis in anyway, shape or form.  Just making that clear.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 15:03 | 237865 Kitler
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Even us Kazis hate the Nazis.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 15:11 | 237879 MsCreant
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I am subordinated to my cat, Kitler. Your avatar and screen name make me smile everytime I see it. Very creative.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 15:36 | 237928 Kitler
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Danke Schon!

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 15:50 | 237948 _Biggs_
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Fri, 02/19/2010 - 16:10 | 237992 Ragnarok
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Do Kazis have a final solution for the Kews? How does one distinguish a Kew from a Karian?

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 16:21 | 238015 Ragnarok
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I know, the Kazis run the SPCA and send their storm troopers out to round up the undesirables.

Sat, 02/20/2010 - 08:05 | 238599 Anonymous
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The reasons nazis are hated so much is because they nerfed their bankers. Which ethnicity is disproportionally repesented in angloamerican banking? Which ethnicity is dispropornally repesented among owners of angloamerican media?

The nazi currency was value based and not debt based. It was issued without bankers getting their cut and thats a very bad thing to do if you ask some people. They also refused to use the London moneychangers to get their foreign currency and instead did simple bartering with other nations. Thats very very very evil taking the bread out of their mouths just like that.

In some ways they got things right (value based currency, economy centered on productivity) in others they got things wrong (they believed in central planning, cooperative rather than competitive market etc). However we have the benefit of 80 years hindsight as well as a much better information exchange system so we cant blame them for flunking some things. They did get their nation away from banker control. WRT to their cruelties, they have been surpassed by many nations, including America. Few of you americans know that you starved more than a million iraqis to death in the 90's. When told you say "it was for their freedumbs!" I think it more was for the lolz - and because you really do not care what your soldiers and your leadership do abroad in your name and with your support.

Do you understand why ethically unstunted people all over the world despise America and americans? Every american trooper killed in the war on terra and every american dollar spent on blowing up pashtun peasants is one soldier/dollar less that can be spent against my nation later if we should choose to break with your system - which we have to if we want to survive as a people and as a nation.

Sat, 02/20/2010 - 12:53 | 238722 Art Vandelay
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Here's what I don't get about people like you: why not just come right out and say "FUCK THE JEWS"? I mean, you're posting anonymously, and it's clearly how you feel, so why not just go for it? Why try to be clever and skirt the issue? What's the downside - social opprobrium from other anonymous posters on the Internet? Do you really care? You goddamned pussy!

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:25 | 237612 Traianus Augustus
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Who cares about this stuff...the really cool stuff is about Tiger, and it's on all the business channels.  Yea! 

Long live the VS...NOT!!!!

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:40 | 237743 Going Down
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"the really cool stuff is about Tiger"


Yup...especially if Wall Street pigmen saw it.




Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:46 | 237753 Ripped Chunk
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Tiger should just retire and become an ordained minister. Then his actions will appear common place.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 16:01 | 237975 WaterWings
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As a corporate mouthpiece a lack of "mea culpa" would have been seen by the zombie public as arrogant. The likes of Blankfein and Geithner get away with it because only those paying attention even know who they are.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 20:39 | 238294 Rainman
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+ 100 , resoundingly !!

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:27 | 237615 I am a Man I am...
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Greece playing the Nazi card....hilarious.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:29 | 237620 bugs_
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Wholly owned subsidiary.  Leave the E.U. and join the G.U.


Fri, 02/19/2010 - 13:42 | 237748 Sabibaby
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Don't tou mean the G.S?

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:31 | 237622 Postal
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So the fox guards the henhouse?

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 14:21 | 237806 35Pete
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Is that why the pen is full of half eaten chicken carcasses? 

Hint: We're the poultry. 

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:31 | 237623 ReallySparky
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I knew the squid was running the world. 

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:32 | 237626 williambanzai7
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Traders and hedge fund employees are advised to avoid Greek diners.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:54 | 237667 hedgeless_horseman
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For fun, I tried to pay for lunch at Niko Niko's with some German Euros last week.  The lady said, in a thick Greek accent, we don't accept that money, only US dollars. 

I laughed, then cried, when I realized the joke was on me.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:32 | 237627 crosey
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When the game is up, the logic unravels into threads of unbelievable yarn.   In this case, woolen yarn woven quickly into a covering with which Greece will further attempt to cover our eyes.

Is that hysterical laughter that I hear?

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:33 | 237629 buzzsaw99
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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:34 | 237632 zenon
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Guys cool it. 10% of the Greek population died during the nazi occupation either by being killed or by famine - the result of all the food & produce being confiscated to feed the nazi war machine. Post WWII, Greek demands for war reparations were fended off on the legal argument that W. Germany was not the whole Germany. Following Germany's unification, similar reparation demands were kept in the closet on account of European unity and transfer payments towards EU's weaker memebers (ala Greece). Should such payments (and financial assistance when it is needed) not be forthcoming, these demands could well re-surface as a bargaining tool. Said differently, if the EU just enforces tough conditions on Greece with no dinero at the end of the process, maybe the IMF is a better & friendlier solution.

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:46 | 237648 Cow
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"maybe the IMF is a better & friendlier solution"

Better for whom?  Why should the US taxpayer bail out the overspending Greek socialist government?

Fri, 02/19/2010 - 12:55 | 237669 Anonymous
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taking money from the IMF is like selling your soul to the devil. they own you now. however, taking money from germany won't be much different. no matter how these chips fall, they will have to get their act together. if the IMF or the Germans can't do it, the market will do it for them. the greek economy is in major trouble.

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