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Heavy Gunfire Reported At Deraa Square In Syria Where Thousands Of Protestors Are Gathered - Video Update

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And there goes Syria.

From Al Jazeera:

Syrian security forces have opened fire on anti-government protesters near the city of Daraa, killing at least 20 people, residents have told Al Jazeera.

"There are more than 20 martyrs .... they (security forces) opened fire haphazardly," the witness said.

Reuters also reported that heavy gunfire could be heard in the southern city, the focal point for demonstrations against Bashar al-Assad''s regime in recent days.

The incident comes as protesters demanding greater freedom called for a "day of dignity" on Friday following a week-long crackdown by pro-regime forces that has left dozens dead.

At least 200 people marched in the centre of Damascus after Friday prayers in support of the people of Daraa, scene of protests against Baath Party rule, a Reuters news agency witness said.

And the latest video report from Daraa from Al Jazeera:


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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:20 | 1099302 Harlequin001
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short post, that one...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:51 | 1099465 Tulli
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And.... equities rally.

See no evil, hear no evil.

QE is a deal with the devil: ahhhh the promise of risk free trading. Yeahhhh. How cool is that huh? But.... but..... what happens when you want to take the foot away from the pedal????

No. You see, it's all good. All of of it.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:04 | 1099509 Sophist Economicus
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No, No, No.   Belgium is a Red Herring.   I think I have the key here:

B - Bahrain

L - Libya

Y - Yemen

T - Tunisia

H - ????

E - Egypt


Now, what starts with H, that could have a revolution, that would cause the whole house of cards to fall....

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:06 | 1099528 firstdivision
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:05 | 1099536 sdmjake
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:12 | 1099567 Sabibaby
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House of Saud?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:16 | 1099597 Wakanda
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:09 | 1099879 hedgeless_horseman
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:12 | 1099885 YHC-FTSE
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:32 | 1100000 gall batter
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:46 | 1100324 Bananamerican
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we have a problem

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 14:57 | 1100741 TruthInSunshine
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Helsinki, where all the nouveau baldness and cancer remedies come from.

If Helsinki falls, mankind falls.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:22 | 1099305 Vergeltung
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yeah, but baby big head will most assuredly resort to violence (more viloence) just like whacky gadaffi.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:22 | 1099309 Turd Ferguson
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"This shit will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to survive" - Admiral Painter

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:31 | 1099355 falak pema
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He was no Picasso...I know he was better with his toy Uboat...Sean Connery was best as 007 licensed to kill...on celluloid...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 17:01 | 1101177 Drachma
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Yes, but "You see that ring on his finger? The Academy, Class of '72. A Marine...Now it's up to you, Turd, but you might consider cuttin' the kid a little slack."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:22 | 1099310 John Law Lives
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That should be good for a +100 pop on the Dow Jones.  All those bullets will need to be replaced.  More jobs.  Green shoots.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:27 | 1099341 kaiserhoff
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It's priced in, as is an irradiated middle of Japan.  Not to worry.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:23 | 1099311 Long-John-Silver
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When does Obama start bombing?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:27 | 1099344 buzzsaw99
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Not enough oil in Syria to make it worth his while.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:37 | 1099393 Dr. Richard Head
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O-bomb-A has many options on the table now.  Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Jordan, Yemen, Syria, Iran......Hmmmmmmm.  Wait until the PIIGS wake up again.  Maybe we can carpet bomb Europe for old times sake then.  Come on O-bomb-A, don't be such a pussy.

Hey, I have a new math formula for all ya'll -


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:50 | 1099452 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Oblubber will do exactly what AIPAC tells him to do. Then take vacation, flee from the fallout.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:06 | 1099524 Dr. Richard Head
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I think the IMF needs to launder some fiat, so funding both sides of the operations should work out fine. 

All this time I thought SDR meant special drawing rights.  Little did I know it meant Stupid Democrats and Republicans. 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:47 | 1099419 serotonindumptruck
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"Not enough oil in Syria to make it worth his while."

No, but there's some SUH-WEET pipeline infrastructure running through that country, straight from the rich oil fields of Northern Iraq.

A lot of players could benefit from the fall of Assad.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:49 | 1099773 Don Birnam
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Bashar al-Assad -- a chip off the old block ? We shall soon see. Pops Hafez would have responded more in the fashion of Khadaffi, as the Old Guard brooked no dissent.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:08 | 1100175 Vergeltung
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I said the same thing and got junked twice. is there no justice here?  ;-)


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:34 | 1099379 falak pema
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Why does the USA feel obligated to drop its black swan crap load every where? Is it written in the Constitution? "Thou shalt drop thy load at the tip of a sailor's hat or the nod of a one eyed dolt...don't forget to take your Colt...'cos you're son of Duke the nuke..."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:44 | 1099731 Oh regional Indian
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Doooooook Noooookem!

hey Falak, since you brought it up last time, do note,

Syria, 33rd parallel....bloodshed. The 33rd will not be denied.

Someone suggested i was fitting facts to a fantasy to find a pattern.

I say the pattern is slapping us in the face. By the way, Iraq's no-fly zone from 1991 was enforced at? Youuuuu got it, the 33rd parallel.

bomb's away, colt's away....


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:00 | 1099828 falak pema
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You are a bull's eye man...I can see that. I wonder what magic longitude corresponds to your great 33° discovery. Your supernova star was heading diagonally if my memory is right. I wrote a book once about the Holy land; a novel about  the Crusades, and my hero lived on the current lebanese/ Israeli border, just south of old Tyre. I wonder where that lies with reference to the magic latitude...will fire away Hawk Eye of India. Namaste!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:09 | 1099880 Oh regional Indian
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yes, it was diagonal. But then these are twisted times. The cross is thusly twisted too.

What is your Novel's name?

By the way, Tyre co-ordinates... 33 16 8 N/ 35 12 59 E

Right on the 33rd.

Did it have a lot of bloodshed?



Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:31 | 1099957 falak pema
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The name is Sidi Kafir. It's the first of a trilogy. Family saga. About GWB's ancestors of the middle ages...clash of civilization and emergence of commercial capitalism in Europe (silk/spice routes).

Man, he fought the Templars, christian ethnic cleansers, to defend the muslim peasants working on his vineyard going on Haj, then he fought Saladin's army when Jerusalem collapsed and the Saracens besieged Tyre. So he had no favorites. That's why he was my hero! My humble contribution to war and peace..

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:10 | 1100181 Oh regional Indian
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Noice. Is it widely available?


Sat, 03/26/2011 - 07:29 | 1102508 falak pema
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trying to find a publisher on the Net...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:28 | 1099338 firstdivision
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Late?!?  This is something being reported as occuring now.

Here, use this since its obvious that you do not have a realtime news feed

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:29 | 1099351 snowball777
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That 'lateness' being applied to Syria's "goingness"...stop humping my leg, it's unbecoming.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:31 | 1099360 firstdivision
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It's hard not to hump it when it is just out in the open like that. 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:34 | 1099380 snowball777
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I don't suppose you even considered self-control as an option?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:36 | 1099382 firstdivision
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Of course not, that is why I have my PhD in Economics.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:13 | 1100196 faustian bargain
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set, and...spike!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:23 | 1099316 gwar5
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Happy to see Syria is ennjoying the festivities. I could care less about what happens to the Assad clan in Syria. Good luck to the protestors. Bring it on.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:27 | 1099326 hedgeless_horseman
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Some thought we would have to go to war with the Muslims.  Bernanke is a genius!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:25 | 1099328 Muir
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Just more grey swans.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:36 | 1099389 falak pema
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The food is excellent, just like the view on the round globes of those mosque domes...Damascus, red rose...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:26 | 1099332 ColonelCooper
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One of the requirements for a sustainable US economic recovery (markets) is for one new black swan to land every day.  Just turn on CNBC and "buy" what they tell you to. 

When Biden said, "Recovery Summer!" he meant 2011.  It's all good.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:26 | 1099333 PicassoInActions
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We need to continue financial colonization to get everything under control.

Middle east is the place to start.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:28 | 1099334 famousamos
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That's bullish!! To da Moon Bithez!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:30 | 1099348 buzzsaw99
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+S&P 500

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:32 | 1099357 firstdivision
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I'm long copper, gun powder, firing pins,  blood, and gauze. 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:36 | 1099390 plocequ1
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Im just long ( Thats what she said)

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:28 | 1099651 Temporis
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Thats just a result from gravity and old age...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:28 | 1099340 SilverRhino
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Trouble in Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Oman, Yemen, Saudi (minor), Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Gaza.  

When Central / South Africa looks relatively tame by comparison, you know you have got fucking prioblems.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:32 | 1099368 nobusiness
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Just imagine how many SBUX, McDonalds and Taco Bells you could put in those countries.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:27 | 1099342 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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How many americans know where Syria is on a world map?

How many americans know where america is on a world map?

How many americans know what a map is?

How many americans know how many americans know  the correct answers to the questions above, including this question?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:31 | 1099354 Hedger306
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None of that matters, what matters is that you should be buying right now!  "Buy buy buy" as my buddy Cramer would say.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:32 | 1099356 snowball777
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How many Americans know that Eurotrash never get tired of asking those questions?

We aren't all Snookie, mmm'kay?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:35 | 1099377 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Clichés exist because they are true.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:38 | 1099392 snowball777
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I'd like to think that ZH selects for a better subset of my countrymen, but you probably wouldn't have to spend much time demonstrating a counter-example.

Should I believe everything I've heard about European soccer fans, smoking, and socialist tendencies?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:43 | 1099422 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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U.S. ZeroHedge readers were not the subset i was addressing with my statement/questions... more the wider, greater, population... i.e. the 'average'.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:01 | 1100148 RichardENixon
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Ignorance is everywhere MonkeyBoy. I was watching an EPL soccer match and the English announcer described a shoving incident between a Brazilian and a Mexican as a "minor South American spat." He managed to fit this in between statements like "this is between he and I."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:48 | 1099446 falak pema
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I think you think socialist is a sexy tendency like group sex in between two smokes typical of europeans. In that you are not far from the truth for the < than 25 yr. olds. But more like US coeds...than europeans. But I think its kind of general in some social groups both sides of the pond.

As for subsets they are like non seeds. They can cause upsets to top seeds. That's the beauty of life...You don't have to go to private school to rote can learn it just by watching good football or reading good books, or both, or avoiding ZH up/down, instant, crazy, knee jerk talk...just concentrating on fat, juicy facts and flat rationale. Round is what comes around.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:01 | 1099499 VisualCSharp
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Dude, lay off the drugs. Your posts are incoherent.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:40 | 1099718 falak pema
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I get your point. There won't be a repeat performance.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:45 | 1100084 Bolweevil
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You went from comment to art, just like that (snap).

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 15:11 | 1100806 Hexus
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"Should I believe everything I've heard about European soccer fans, smoking, and socialist tendencies?"

Yes, because they're true! I assume by the smoking bit you mean europeans smoke a lot?


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:36 | 1099684 ElvisDog
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FunkyMonkeyBoy, your comments don't jibe with the fact that U.S. universities are the envy of the world. I was at a conference in Switzerland last year at EPFL. Times are tough in Euro academia-land and a lot of graduate students are unable to find jobs. A tenured professor there told me that the best way for a grad student to stand out from the rest and get a cushy job at a university or government research lab was to have spent time studying or working at an American University. When I told her I went to Stanford, she told me "oh, you could get a teaching job here right now".

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:06 | 1099863 Subprime JD
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The majority of Americans are stupid cunts that deserve what is coming to them. They cared not when their country bombed and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, cared not when their government overthrew democratically elected governments of smaller nations. Now the snake has been turned on them. Will they care now or will they continue to watch Nascar, baseball, american idol and all the other crap?


They will continue to watch their stupid shit.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 14:29 | 1100565 Creed
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Cliches exist because they require no thought to repeat.


You American haters stop for a moment to offer thanks to the Americans who bled & died to keep this world out of a new dark ages going back about 100 years now to WWI.

All of you owe.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 15:19 | 1100837 Hexus
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Things would of been better if Germany had won the FIRST world war, they we're challenging British imperialism and lost. Besides if the US had stopped selling them bullets it would have ended a lot faster.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:33 | 1099361 Long-John-Silver
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I know all that stuff but I attended a private school and had a proper education. Asking questions like that today is racist or unfair.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:39 | 1099395 falak pema
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where did you lose your eye and your leg?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:57 | 1099484 Long-John-Silver
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An IRS agent took them after I closed out a 401k account so I could buy Silver @ $12 an ounce.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:04 | 1099853 falak pema
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Man you are already on Treasure Island. As for the IRS I say draw and quarter them...after keel hauling them from starboard to larboard! Up the jolly roger...yo ho, ho

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:39 | 1099403 alien-IQ
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“I personally believe the U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh…people out there in our nation don’t have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and…I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., err, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our… "

Caitlin Upton, Miss Teen South Carolina 2007

I rest my case your honor.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:02 | 1099513 serotonindumptruck
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I'm confident that this young lady has other talents and attributes to offer society.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:07 | 1099545 alien-IQ
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yes...and those services can be found advertised on Craigs list for $200 per hour (with multi-hour discounts available).

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:39 | 1099407 youngman
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you should ask that question as How many Latinos know where XXXXXX is?    They are now over 50% in Texas schools...Americans .....not anymore...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:55 | 1100375 Bananamerican
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yup. the barbarians have arrived

visigoths with mustaches

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:43 | 1099410 John Law Lives
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How many europeans would be required to speak German right now if the Yanks hadn't come to their aid?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:50 | 1099431 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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How many people know that both sides of world war II were funded by the same group of people. Hint: It's the same people who caused the Germany people such suffering in the first place through hyperinflation that they felt they had no choice but to elect someone like Hitler.

It's all a game, the world is a stage and evil is running amuck. See it for what it is, not what you are told.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:53 | 1099467 John Law Lives
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Thanks for the lecture, professor.  We are blessed to be in the presence of such an oracle of wisdom as yourself.  Preach to us, shaman.  May you live 1,000 years!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:04 | 1099508 VisualCSharp
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Do you have anything to refute what he writes?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:52 | 1099787 John Law Lives
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I did not intend to refute what he wrote.  I took objection to his condescending tone.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:54 | 1099792 ex VRWC
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We are all under the influence of aliens based on the dark side of the moon, who control our actions and observe us for their own amusement.


Do you have anything to refute what I write?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:40 | 1099711 ItsEvolutionBaby
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"Thanks for the lecture, professor.  We are blessed to be in the presence of such an oracle of wisdom as yourself.  Preach to us, shaman.  May you live 1,000 years!"


It is just the state of things.


It is just the state of things.


What are you all uppity for?



Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:51 | 1099778 John Law Lives
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<<<  How many americans know where Syria is on a world map?

How many americans know where america is on a world map?

How many americans know what a map is?

How many americans know how many americans know the correct answers to the questions above, including this question? >>>


Need you ask?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:21 | 1099624 ElvisDog
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FunkyMonkeyBoy is one of those oh-so-superior Euros. Kevin Kline said it best:



Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:52 | 1099460 Zeilschip
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Actually the Russians beat ze Germans, the Yanks beat the Japanese. Now go back to sleep loser.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:01 | 1099496 John Law Lives
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<<<  Actually the Russians beat ze Germans  >>>

Are you insane?  Who the fvck do you think lead the liberation of France?  How many Russian troops stormed the beaches at Normandy?

Go back to 6th grade.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:03 | 1099516 VisualCSharp
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Uh, Eastern front perhaps?

I think you need to skip 6th grade and go back to 4th grade.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:00 | 1099830 John Law Lives
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I didn't say the Russians had no involvement in defeating the Germans.

I did say the US spearheaded the invasion of Normandy and the liberation of France.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:06 | 1099522 alien-IQ
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that's tell him how we didn't lose in Vietnam...we just came in second place.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:01 | 1099837 John Law Lives
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:34 | 1099633 ElvisDog
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While I am an American, it is true that by June 1944 the German army had been ground to dust by the Russians. There is a lot of heroic bluster (e.g. Spielberg's "Saving Private Ryan") about how the U.S. won the war in Europe, but the truth is the Russians would have beaten the Germans all by themselves.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:48 | 1099770 ex VRWC
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Sure, especially after our strategic bombng campaign reduced the Third Reich's warmaking capacity to almost nothing.  And after we opened up a front in Africa then Italy that was diverting German army resources south.  Then of course the Russians would have beaten them.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:02 | 1099940 ElvisDog
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Everything you wrote may have shortened the war in the East but didn't affect its outcome. Once the Battle of Stalingrad was over, the war in the East became a war of attrition, and wars of attrition where neither side is going to give up are always won by the side that has the most people. Same thing happened in WWI. Once the Schlieffen plan failed, it really became a mathematical equation - a certain number of men on both sides died each week and Germany had fewer men overall.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:58 | 1099807 Irelevant
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Not really. Russia was on economically on the edge in late 1944. The war was shortened by 6 months when Romania switched sides, cutting German access to oil rich fields in Ploiesti. There is actually a recording of Hitler in Finland stating that the Romanian oil was of high importance to the German army.

If the allies wouldn`t had opened a second front in France the Germans would had fought the Russians probably to a draw (sign a peace treaty, split up some countries). We`d all speak German now, or to the soap factory you go.

More importantly the US assisted in the drafting of the Constitutions of Japan, Germany, implemented the framework on the European Convention of Human Rights, some pretty neat stuff, that secured peace and human rights in Europe and brought the fall of the USSR. Nevertheless that was then.

Today we have the EUSSR, ruled by a group of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels that enact laws (directives, regulations, etc.) that, per the Lisbon treaty, are above the law of nation states (except Germany where the Constitutional Court stated that the Lisbon Treaty may be ratified only as long the German people remain the "masters" of the treaties and not the other way around). Actually the European Court of Justice (committee of named "judges" (other bureaucrats) by the European Council) stated, several times, that human rights are irrelevant. This is the highest court of the land per the Lisbon Treaty.

Ergo, the brainwashed populous doesn`t understand that with each passing day democracy becomes irrelevant, with every passing day they become more ensalved by the masters, until freedom will be totally lost. This is of our own making (as humans), we are complicit, for we have not requested our children be not brainwashed in schools from tender ages, for we have not requested that the press tell us the truth, for we accepted what was served on the shinny plate, we deserve what is to come.

For the few of us that understand what is happening to us as a species, the words of Churchill come to mind: "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:13 | 1099888 John Law Lives
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Nice post.  I think you might be speaking over the head of FMB a bit.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:15 | 1099903 falak pema
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Unless we go truly federal in EU, elect a fully empowered parliament, making national parliaments subsidiaries to the european one. Devolution of sorts. But if the law makers reside in Strasbourg, the EC in Brussels loses its legislative ad-hoc powers that the nation states have delegated to it in specific areas. It's an incompleted system, because nation states don't want, due to current national prejudices, to leave a continental political entity as legacy to their children. Hope we get there one day under the force of circumstances as the world arena shrinks in front of our very eyes!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:50 | 1100345 Irelevant
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I say we dismantle all this EU crap right away, keep the free trade treaty. That is all that is needed.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:30 | 1099972 ElvisDog
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I think with what the Germans did to the Russian people during their initial advance into Russia that there was no way the Russians were going to sign a peace treaty with Hitler. It was a death match. I'm not sure what you mean by "economically on the edge". If you look at the production numbers - how many tanks and airplanes the Russians were manufacturing each month in late 1944 compared to how many Germany was making and then factor in the attrition of manpower on each side I don't see any scenario where Germany could have avoided defeat.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:45 | 1100328 Irelevant
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You had a second front in 1944, I was talking about a one front scenario and no US intervention. Of course having batshit insane genocidal commander of the armed forces (Hitler) was a problem.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 14:40 | 1100617 Creed
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but the truth is the Russians would have beaten the Germans all by themselves.




rocks, rocks in your head


the russians barely survived the german onslaught


would not have done so without us material shipped to them


and would never have been able to contain the germans without us/brit/canadian/french etc troops fighting on multiple fronts culminating in normandy that drained the germans ability to fight the russians

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 15:06 | 1100774 ElvisDog
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The first major actions of the U.S. against the Germans occurred in North Africa (Spring 1943) and Sicily (Summer 1943). These operations happened after the Battle of Stalingrad and after the Russians had started to roll the Germans back. So your comment of "never been able to contain the germans without us" fails from a timeline point of view. Or were the Germans so frightened by the future prospect of fighting the mighty U.S. that they starting proactively retreating on the Eastern Front?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 15:35 | 1100892 Hexus
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If Hitler had taken Moscow before the winter set in the Nazi's would have won the war. They'd have gaurded the eastern front of Russia with a small number of men and sent the rest to fight on the western front, with the huge food and energy resources in Russia they could have rejuvinated their army and crushed British air defense allowing a ground invasion. Once Britian fell the US wouldn't even have a staging area for attacks.

Given the vulnerable position of the US due to the war in the Pacific Germany would probably have continued the war with America and eventually taken over the world. But maybe they would have just done a deal with America and ended the war.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:55 | 1099470 falak pema
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How many Indians would be speaking english if the french had beaten up the american colonialists fighting the british instead of supporting them in 1776? Have a christian thought for Chingachgook and his lost ones. They were sacrificed as the stuffed geese of US conquest by "gone with the wind's ancestors".

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:04 | 1099512 John Law Lives
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Manifest Destiny.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:19 | 1099613 serotonindumptruck
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Sounds like one of the 'Lies my Teacher Told me'.

"The most dangerous archetype is the overarching one of "American exceptionalism", which ultimately justifies the doctrines of Manifest Destiny and the American Century. Emerging from the architect of European superiority..."

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 14:34 | 1100593 Creed
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How many europeans would be required to speak German right now if the Yanks hadn't come to their aid?



exactly John Law, but these tools don't even want to say thanks let alone repay the debt they owe because they are programmed selfish arrogant bots without an original thought in their head


they want to confuse the issue to allow an opening for their never ending hatreds when it's really quite clear- sprechen sie deutsch? no? then thank an American asshole

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:43 | 1099425 SheepDog-One
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Well I lived there for a year so I know right where it is. As far as the rest of Stockholm Syndrome free-range sheeple america, I dont care.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:45 | 1099428 Abitdodgie
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:46 | 1099433 Dan Duncan
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Hey shithead, are you referring to North Americans or South Americans?  If North Americans, are you referring to those peoples living in Mexico, United States or Canada?

How many europeans know that America refers to lands in the Western Hemisphere? 

How many europeans know that a simple perurusal of a fucking map would elucidate the fact outlined in the previous sentence? 

And finally, how many chain-smoking, yellow-teethed europeans know that 3rd person, self-references involving funky, monkey and boy is a disturbing, desperate call for help?


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:51 | 1099451 alien-IQ
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let your jingoism shine through, Mr. Duncan. let it shine for all to see.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:55 | 1099469 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Do you refer to yourself as 'North American' when asked your nationality then? or just 'American' as i suspect is the case.

Re: photo, Bill Hicks is an American, shame you don't even recognise who one of the greatest Americans in recent time is... would it help you if i drew you a map?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:44 | 1099728 Dan Duncan
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Funky Money and Boy...I wasn't referring to the photo; never even mentioned it. 

You mentioned "americans" as being poor cartographers, taking shots at the stereotype of "dumb americans" I went with the steretype of chain-smoking, yellow-teethed-havin' eurpoean.  

You can draw me a map of Bill Hicks and I'll draw you a map to a dentist office.

Aren't stereotypes fun?  I know Bill Hicks would think this lively banter is funny.  Don't you?  C'mon...let your sense of humor shine...C'mon Funky Monkey Boy, show us those...those...those "pearly yellows?"


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:43 | 1099735 Dan Duncan
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Funky Money and Boy...I wasn't referring to the photo; never even mentioned it. 

You mentioned "americans" as being poor cartographers, taking shots at the stereotype of "dumb americans" I went with the steretype of chain-smoking, yellow-teethed-havin' european.  

You can draw me a map of Bill Hicks and I'll draw you a map to a dentist office.

Aren't stereotypes fun?  I know Bill Hicks would think this lively banter is funny.  Don't you?  C'mon...let your sense of humor shine...C'mon Funky Monkey Boy, show us those...those...those "pearly yellows?"


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:35 | 1099670 ElvisDog
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duplicate post, sorry

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:32 | 1099363 Seasmoke
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lots of coffins already parading down the streets

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:32 | 1099369 bigking12345
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wait until they find out it's the Jews behind all this unrest.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:07 | 1099868 buzzsaw99
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joo bankers specifically.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:33 | 1099374 alien-IQ
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is this why the market just went fully parabolic? or was it the Japan nuclear meltdown?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:46 | 1099427 John Law Lives
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Maybe it was the unexpectedly low consumer sentiment report:

"March consumer sentiment lowest in over a year"

Bad macroeconomic news is good news.  QE forever.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:01 | 1099492 alien-IQ
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it's bullish because the market interprets it as having nowhere to go but up from here....bullish....or bullshit...something like that.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:15 | 1099898 John Law Lives
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<<<   the market interprets  >>>

There is no market.  Manipulators are gunning the markets behind the Bernanke Put.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:49 | 1099442 SheepDog-One
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'Market went fully parabolic' you mean the DOW up 45 points, thats fully parabolic?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:59 | 1099483 alien-IQ
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that kind of move in less time than it takes me to smoke a cigarette...yes...I call that kind of parabolic.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:06 | 1099533 VisualCSharp
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No, it's only partially parabolic. If something like that even makes sense.


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:34 | 1099376 John Law Lives
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It will be sadly comical if the neo-cons ever come out from the pits of Hell where they were spawned and take credit for the "outbreak of Democracy" in the Middle East.  Maybe they had better wait until after WWIII ends to see who wins...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:52 | 1099459 SheepDog-One
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Obama the biggest neocon ever.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 14:06 | 1100440 Bananamerican
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shh...dont "out" the man

have some dignity for the office

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:35 | 1099383 RobotTrader
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Banks and retail stocks just took off on this news.


Can't fight the "Infinite Firehose of Fiat"

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:03 | 1099504 alien-IQ
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thanks captain obvious. you're really firing on all three cylinders lately.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:38 | 1099386 LRC Fan
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Tea Party-Bullish


Tax cuts-Bullish

Tax hikes-Bullish




March Madness-Bullish

Baseball season-Bullish

NFL lockout-Bullish

Obama giving a speech-Bullish




Delayed QE3-Bullish

No QE3-Bullish

Silver up-Bullish

Silver down-Bullish

High volume-Bullish

Low volume-Bullish


Triple Witching-Bullish

Maria Bartiromo-Bullish

Warren Buffett-Bullish

Consumer Sentiment up-Bullish

Consumer Sentiment down-Bullish

Printing money-Bullish

Did I miss anything?


Oh yeah...Netflix-Bullish

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:53 | 1099466 Horatio Beanblower
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Potassium Iodide - Bullish

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:00 | 1099489 Cash_is_Trash
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Financial rape and destruction of property - uber bullish

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 13:23 | 1100231 Bolweevil
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Radiogardase (caesium)

Sodium alginate (strontium)

EDTA (plutonium)

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:03 | 1099505 djsmps
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GDP and employment. Up. Down. Doesn't matter. Bullish.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:06 | 1099541 VisualCSharp
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Except that the USPS might go to 5-day-a-week delivery now! That makes Netflix clearly





Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:29 | 1099965 AVP
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Fri, 03/25/2011 - 14:08 | 1100452 Bananamerican
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“And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree cats her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind… and every mountain and island were moved out of their places…”


Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:37 | 1099391 TruthInSunshine
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These uprisings in the middle east are all completely spontaneous, and anyone suggesting this is some sort of attempt at beginning any form of nation-state re-shuffling of the deck, in anticipation of a larger global push, must be bat-shit crazy.



Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:49 | 1099449 John Law Lives
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MENA is falling apart because of massive wealth inequality and their surging cost of living etc.  It would be an extreme case of hubris for someone to try and take credit for it.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:59 | 1099829 linrom
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Absolutely. It's the French Revolution coming to the Middle East 222 years later. It's all about the unspeakable idea in the English language--economic justice and wealth redistribution. Hooray for the Age of Enlightenment and the Rights of Man.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 10:51 | 1099450 SheepDog-One
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Yep, gotta be batshit crazy to suggest these mid east domino uprisings are all planned. Cant possibly be!

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:10 | 1099551 VisualCSharp
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If the US can prop up a lot of these corrupt dictatorships and the like, why can the US not also be responsible for their downfall?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:39 | 1099713 YHC-FTSE
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Usually appreciate your posts, but I really don't have a clue about the recent ME revolutions. Causes, players, drivers, momentum and endgame. Shadowy manipulation by TPTB seems just too simple. Are MENA nations falling apart because of inequality and rising prices, or is MENA reconstituting itself as individual populist states after decades under the same oligarchs? There is some merit to the idea that instantaneous communication and social networks can by themselves create spontaneous and powerful momentum for change in countries where freedom of expression have been restricted.

Naive? Maybe, but having seen the organizational skills and solidarity of Egyptians, we are doing a disservice to their bravery if we merely regard them as herded animals. I think we should not underestimate the desires and participation of the people in the region in their own revolutions.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:03 | 1099847 PhattyBuoy
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"Causes" ?

I suspect the "Infinite Firehose of Fiat" has something to do with it.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 12:16 | 1099911 YHC-FTSE
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+1 No argument there. 

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