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Here Are The Most Actively Traded Names In Goldman's Dark Pool (Or Why Is The Big Money Fascinated With Italy?)

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Courtesy of recent disclosures, the common man (as in anyone who does not pay millions in kickbacks, er, soft dollar fees to GS) can now observe what is being traded on Goldman's Dark Pool, better known as Sigma X. Why is this important? Because as Themis Trading presented last week, only 30% of all trading occurs on open exchange venues, meaning the bulk of actual shares change ownership behind the scenes, in places such as Sigma X, Chi X, and the dark pools of Credit Suisse, Citi, and various other banks, not to mention numerous other secondary ATS, where very little if any of the daily trading detail is released for general observation. This means that while HFT algos drive up the volume of numerous top 10 stocks merely for the sake of collecting rebates, the real action is in the most actively traded dark pool names, where the big boys are actively trading risk, where HFTs are non-existent, and the companies that represent the top 5 is what investors, speculators, and vacuum tubes should be focusing on. Not surprisingly, today's most active names are Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena, Unicredit and Intesa Sanpaolo. Translation: someone is actively positioning for serious action in Italy shortly.

 

 


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Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Cassandra Syndrome
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Greaseball Meltdown Bitchez

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:00 | Link to Comment 66Sexy
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we've been shown the table, but the options are still: red or black.

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:49 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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If Sigma X has three Italian banks in its sights, then the next logical question is: when will Reuters drop the bad news about these banks?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 16:22 | Link to Comment rsi1
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300-400k shares? who cares about that? wethere it is in Sigma X or Squid X, it is nothing, Unicredit moves +300m shares /day on the milan exchange! That is pocket change as an amount and relative volume, so irrelevant.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:53 | Link to Comment ZeroPower
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Absolutely right. And lets not forget, DPs are (mainly) for institutional investors to have access to other big buyers/sellers that want to off-load a large block of shares in a single go instead of going on the market and getting it split up (and potentially moving the price if the stock is thin) in those fucking 100-share HFT increments.

So if anything, its quite ironic touting the whole 'BAN HFT!; BAN DARK POOLS!' mantra as they dont necessarily align with each other. I hope this is clear..

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:50 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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The Bearing is interested in Europe, but I do not see whether this post is bullish or bearish on Italy.

I have heard that Italy is indeed weak.  We have friends there...  And they talk pessimistically.

I would really like your comments...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Arius
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i think anything can be spinned as bullish ... right ?

as for Italy, weak or strong .... if i am correct Italy is the second "I" as for PIIGS .... just follow the script ... very simple, give it time and everything will play out accordingly...

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Ivanof
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Banca MPS is under a capital increase ... and there are rumors that MPS is going to be "merged" with other bigger banks (with premium....)

I live here in Italy and I don't think we are the second "i" of the PIGS... as our debt is under control (low deficit compared to ALL the others... except Germany) but mostly we still have huge personal saving and a duration of our debt of 7.1 YEARS compared with 4.4 of the USA.

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:58 | Link to Comment TwelfthVulture
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PIIGS: Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain.  Italy is either the 1st or the 2nd "I".

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:26 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I'd guess that "huge personal savings" is what will make destroying Italy even more profitable for the banksters, than say, just burdening the population with sovereign debt. It may mean a little less austerity, but you'll have higher taxes instead.

So, either your wealth or your future labor will be targeted for repayment. There will be no escape.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:50 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Otherwise put: Anybody thinking Spain is next on the hit list just failed the Sigma X test.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Franken_Stein
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Thanks Tyler and team !

You rock da house !

You da man !

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Going Loco
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Royal Bank of Scotland down 3.66%

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Xavier Doe
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"Translation: someone is actively positioning for serious action in Italy shortly."

Er, "up" action or "down" action?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Voodoo-economist
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both, depends on the side

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:12 | Link to Comment d00daa
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long straddle ftw

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Boston
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Translation: someone is actively positioning for serious action in Italy shortly.

And judging by the Italian 10-year, which is about to hit a three year high, the "action" is not going to be pretty.

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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But then again, the Squid does use Sigma X  sometimes as a high-power head-fake instrument when it is desperate.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Thisson
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This seems relatively simple: Italy is a visible domino that is least "priced in" to the market so far (in contrast to, say, Greece)

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 13:59 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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The Squid are puttin' the squeeze on 'em!

How many tons their CB hold again?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:49 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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I suppose your question is rhetorical, but for those that would like to know Italy is the nation with the third largest holdings after the US and Germany, 2,452 tonnes, as of 12/10 according to IMF data.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment MolotovCockhead
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Good, love to see some fireworks light up!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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well, m00m00moody's went w/ the threatened downgrade (Paste):  

In a report published late Thursday, Moody's Investors Service placed the long-term debt and deposit ratings of 16 Italian banks and two Italian government-related financial institutions on review for possible downgrade.

The rating agency also changed the outlook to negative from stable on the long-term debt and deposit ratings of a further 13 Italian banks,

The move comes after Moody's put Italy's public debt on review for possible downgrade over concerns about low growth and high public debt, which at around 120 percent of GDP is one of the biggest in Europe.    Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/06/24/1719025/italian-banks-hit-by-moodys-downgrade.html#ixzz1QV6aCKqY

and then cramer...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:17 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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...freaking cramer (6.24.11):  Cramer had a message for investors who own Italian banks or companies that have insurance in those banks: "Will you stop being so braindead and sell already?" 

i'll spare you the link...

i don't know if italy has any gold gold left.   just look what they've sold on QVC.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Caravaggio
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Sure, it is widely known the italians are stupid peolpe and will stay and watch zukermans riding white hoarses.
BTW, is California the firts C in SHIT?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 16:50 | Link to Comment narapoiddyslexia
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I apologize in advance, but would someone please interpret this for me? Thank you.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 22:04 | Link to Comment MrPoopypants
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I thought it was obvious

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 23:54 | Link to Comment MrPoopypants
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I thought it was obvious

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Mercury
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Is there a multiplier on that volume column or are we talking about ~$1mm worth of stock here (total) in those top three names?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:15 | Link to Comment optionsoptions
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if you are asking is this pointless because its really not a lot of money either way then the answer is yes...its pointless

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:06 | Link to Comment entendance
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latest from Italy...
stones, garbage and mr.bean...
http://www.entendance.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=784&p=17797#p17797

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment campag
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no HFT in Sigma x ? - who told you that Goldman ?

They surely run there own

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Bansters-in-my-...
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Off topic a bit but WTF.??.... Dow surging and silver getting bitch slapped.

Fuck Off Exchange Stabilization Fund Crew,and JPM Fucking scum dogs....

Fuck Off and Die...!!!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment alexwest
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the real action is in the most actively traded dark pool names, where the big boys are actively trading risk, where HFTs are non-existent,
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what makes you think that ??? i'd say is quite opposite
all those platforms are totally private / operated by banks, so i dont think thre's even simple disclosure regulation who trades what/etc

alx

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Greeny
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I dunno what crisis but DOW just blowing up without any signs

of pool back.. Go baby, go.. For some reason only

PM's are lagging.. Poor silver below $34 still.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Arius
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hate it to be right .... but it seems like a fake for suckers ...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:11 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Libya produces 900,000bbl of oil.. of which 800,000bbl goes too Italy.. this does not include the natural gas.

 

With Libya in Play so are all the markets in Italy, consider it a small(ish) testing ground for things to come Globally.

 

Within the woes of Italy one could find the keys to successful trading going forward.. call Italy a ruff outline for future energy crisis trading.

 

They are lucky to have Italy to practice on!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:36 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Hmm.

+ 100

Food for thought JW.  Will keep an eye open on Italy as a testing ground re energy.

I liked your comments on energy on another thread earlier as well.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:14 | Link to Comment decon
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Does this mean that common posts ZH makes about no volume market rising on vapors only reflect the public volumes?  Do we need to take the public volumes x 2.33 to get the real volume?  If that's the case, does it explain big up moves on little "public volume"?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:12 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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there are a LOT! of ways to check dark(s) pool volume(s)!

 

it would interesting for someone to track the volume of East to West traffic since that Pool was opened..

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:56 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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for those that are to fucking dim witted to get it.. repatriotization of funds is just a dog and pony show for the sheep to entertain themselves with.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:15 | Link to Comment JimRogers
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Great reporting TD.

 

Thanks for this new indicator.

 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:19 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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Closed trading network using information that is not available to the wider market.  The banks know there is good reason to worry about Italy, but they don't want to scare the children.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:27 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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I find the price action in GS interesting. Can the financials rally without the squid?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment KidDynamite
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good indication that there's something wrong with your data screen: every single stock that came up is European

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:42 | Link to Comment web bot
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That's funny... in a non-funny way of course.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Iam Rich
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Interesting that the Italian bank smackdown a few days back didn't generate any ES reaction.  Everyones looking at Greece as the black swan.  A black swan would be an Italian bank blowing up (or a French, British, or "god forbid" a German bank).

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:36 | Link to Comment camoes
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Mamma mia! Porca bastardo! They gonna short us Mario!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Scipionz
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Greece is "fixed", let's get Italy..." (sigh)

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Use of Weapons
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http://www.businessinsider.com/italys-mario-draghi-has-just-been-appoint...

From BoI > ECB. He knows where the bodies are buried, and Burlesqoni has already been tipped to be axed [Economist, 9th June, front page hit piece, focusing largely on financial fraud]. Nothing like a bit of inside information to grease (puntastic!) the wheels of the next incumbent - although Berlusconi is going to be hard to top, in terms of bunga bunga. I'm getting the feeling that lassitude over old style 'continental' male sexuality is forcing it into being seen as a 20th C historical embarrassment, but I digress.

 

That, or Draghi left a note akin to this: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article7128665.ece

 

Your choice, watch his (bearish) exit speech. Plus, Italy is looking like Greece II, in terms of output / employment / youth talent flight.

 

[Note: primary media source deliberately chosen for lack of copy/insight, and massive GS puff piece underneath - you go tiger, buying Cantor's ex mansion! Read what you will into it... Let's just say that Draghi's job at GS was 'purely advisory' and not at all a frontrunner for the GS Europe 2010-2015 playbook. Nothing like GS -> BoI > ECB for a transparent 'to the moon' career trajectory.]

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment fxpert
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Enel is partially privatized, i think GS is buying and positioning for a yard sale. 

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:54 | Link to Comment jmcadg
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Didn't Berlusconi recently come out saying Italy was strong, no need to worry, nothing to see, move on.

Like a football club chairman endorsing his manager.

Shit must be coming. Italy has all that tungsten to give up (allegedly).

Illuminati vs Mafia - ringside seats!!!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Who's the Pope betting on?

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:00 | Link to Comment sockcutter moto...
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good shit td! ive been interested in dark pools of liquidity for a while now.

still drinking martinis with the right people, i see...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:09 | Link to Comment sailfrog
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only 30% of all trading occurs on open exchange venues

I don't think this is accurate. What Themis was suggesting is that only 30% of the trades of a symbol (that is part of an index) happen on it's LISTING exchange, and since the index is then calculated with this limited set of trades it is less effective at representing actual market activity. A significant amount of volume (if not the majority of volume) in these symbols happen on other lit market centers, not just in dark pools or closed exchange venues.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:49 | Link to Comment ZeroPower
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Exactly. An ATS very retail-friendly like BATS, ARCA are also not part of the 30%. Hence blowing this whole thing out of proportion although i suspect market professionals understand this is much ado (or not even) about nothing.

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 05:33 | Link to Comment Paralympic Equity
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But if You add up just some of the bigger ATS/Dark pool services, You can get up to 50 - 60 mln shares of Unicredit just for today (if You have a Bloomberg terminal), and by now You have arround 100 mln shares traded throught Milan.

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:25 | Link to Comment ivana
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Lagging pig Italy is one tough nut to crack.

Special dark forces needed

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 16:13 | Link to Comment rayban
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If I read the screen correctly we are talking about combined volumes of about 1 million euros for the three Italian banks combined...

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Herbert_guthrie
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Ireland to Greece to Italy, over to Spain.

I feel like I'm on a debt-ride European vacation!

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment GlenD
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ipig has a nice ring to it

Mon, 06/27/2011 - 20:48 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Italy is about to be hit and hit hard. 

Tue, 06/28/2011 - 11:40 | Link to Comment AldoHux_IV
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Front run illusions-- wreaks of central criminal cartel work.

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