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I wonder if european eurozone central banks have the power to "print money"
Looks to me they have not. That the ECB power to "print money" is limited as they have to get recourse of others'facilities (the FED) when willing to pursue "money printing" activiting.
Well... correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're confusing 'responsible monetary expansion' with 'raw printing'.
In the former, yes the ECB would need to sell debt to counterparties.
In the latter I don't believe they need anyone but themselves.
I just wondered who has the power to "print money" in Eurozone.
It seemed to me that the Eurozone central banks surrendered that power to the ECB and that the ECB power in this area is limited.
And we all thought this couldnt happen. Shit, What were we smoking. Im going long. Even Longer than Long Dong Silver and Johnny Wadd. Google / 17,000 a share, Here we come!! I should of known anything is possible with a printer , a Dell and Uncle Benny Bernanke. Tyler, Im suprised you didnt see this coming. Dont worry, I still love ya.
We can do better than the Europeans - States now wanting to use taxpayer money to pay down mortgages. Sad..
This is it. Germany is out in the next 18 months from both EMU and EU. The ban on ECB monetization was put there only because Germany insisted heavily on it due to historic experience with the repercussions or inflation/hyperinflation. That is IF the swap facility is not fully operational and running 100%. This is a certain path to hyperinflation or at best; massive inflation.
Looking at the movement on these four charts during the night, my guess is the line is fully operational.
Cheeky, how were you able to embed these charts into your comment (and also into your contributor posts) in a way that allows them to update every time I revisit the page?
Are you using black magic? Is that why you were gone so long, getting training from Satan herself:>)
its the magic of the marketplace.
just kidding. actually finviz.com is the most awesome market data site ever. and their chart technology is awesome. once you copy the .jpg of the chart the .jpg becomes as screener. i just need to find a good derivatives site and bond site. everyone i have seen till now are POS.
When the central banks are the market there is no market. If you can fund your own "credit", the "credit" would never exist.
Not only is "credit" not hyperinflating, it's deflating. Central banks have no power to create "credit" exponentially to infinitiy.
Hyperdeflation of the non-performing liabilities. Expect huge swings in so call all asset classes.
Mako, don't always understand everything you say, but always fascinated.
Isn't there a point where hyperinflation and deflation pretty much have the same result?
For example, gold: when the (physical) gold price goes too high (hyperinflation), then the paper price will collapse to zero (deflation), and either way you wouldn't be able to use fiat to buy it? So you'd have very high inflation in some things, deflation in others, and in neither case would one's paper money be any good...you could use the paper to buy crap with, but not to buy anything very important. This is what looks to me to be happening with a lot of 'asset classes' (?) today, so I don't understand why 'inflationists' and 'deflationists' are always at odds.
Or am I completely misunderstanding one or both of these things?
I think most of the time people confuse definitions.
Inflation or hyperinflation to me is the increase or rapid increase of money, well, humans use "credit" as money. "Credit" is not inflating or hyperinflating, I would say this is a fact. See Federal Reserve Z1 report. It's actually been deflating for over 2 years and has been negative for a year.
What we are about to witness and experience will not be an expansion of "credit", central banks have no ability to infinitely expand "credit", if they do... well tell them to send me over 99 virgins, some pizza and a 6 pack of beer.
Most people believe their is a spoon, which is why the system is still some what working. I expect huge swings to continue and to get more violent.
Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. Neo: What truth? Spoon boy: There is no spoon. Neo: There is no spoon? Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
"when the (physical) gold price goes too high (hyperinflation), then the paper price will collapse to zero (deflation), and either way you wouldn't be able to use fiat to buy it?"
I expect huge swings like we have already experience to continue in both directions. Gold is not going up because of rise in the money supply though. This is just a fact. The reason gold is going up is because the underlying credit system is unable to expand and it's over. Still plenty of "credit" out there to buy gold. Even if a 1% of money moves into gold you see 100s of not 1000s of dollar moves in gold. Either way you probably will not get rich with gold, the world runs on "credit", once you remove that "credit"... the chaos begins.
"credit" is nothing more than a human emotion, a fiction of law, which humans give substance to by offer a contract or obligation. Humans are unable to produce "credit" exponentially infinitely any more than we are able to produce happiness or sad tears exponentially infinitely.
Humans continue to believe the lie, how do I know? The system would crease to exist this second if humans didn't believe they could get out of the inescapable. Humans continue to believe there is a spoon, eventually the Truth always comes out.
One of my favourite scenes in one of my favourite films!
OK, focusing on money supply not prices - something I often forget to do.
'Money' supply, of dollars, is going way up, hyperinflation. (Bailouts in the trillions, unlike the billions of last year, unlike the millions of the year before that.)
But credit 'money' is deflating for sure. Even governments in trouble now b/c they can't get enough credit, same with individual citizens, deflation. Got it, I think.
So I'd still say they're both going on at the same time, and from what you're saying, I'm seeing hyperinflation (supply of dollars) as a RESULT of deflation (shrinking credit). If money *represents* credit, that's why it's hyperinflation - a larger number of dollars to represent a smaller amount of credit. If money *is* credit rather than dollars, then this is deflation and the flood of dollars is just to hide that fact. It still looks to me like 'inflationists' and 'deflationists' should be in agreement. But maybe it just depends on whether we're talking about 'money' as dollars or 'money' as credit.
OK, I think I got it. Not to waste your time, I will ponder this over more. Will also have a look at the Z1 report. Thank you for your detail!
"...believe they could get out of the inescapable."
heh...I wish I could say I was above that.
"Money' supply, of dollars, is going way up, hyperinflation. (Bailouts in the trillions, unlike the billions of last year, unlike the millions of the year before that.)"
Money supplly is going down not up, see that is the lie. That is the lie everyone is running from. See Federal Reserve Z1 report under "total credit market debt"... figures peaked in 2007 and have been declining ever since, in 2009 it is now negative every quarter. The central banks can't create "credit" no more than they can create happiness infinitely.
Credit creation is negative which is the money supply. Without the federal government the system would have been toast 2 years ago. All the little lemmings think they can get out of this, they can't.
System start>System expands>System unable to expand>System peaks>System collapses>System liquidates>(up to this point rinse and repeat)
What money is being created is being handed to the banks. The banks are speculating with it in the markets. (Dow 36,000, anyone?) But getting that money into the hands of the public, via credit cards or traditional lending, is not happening, because the banks are nervous about being paid back, and the consumer doesn't want the money in the first place because they are tapped out (already in too much debt).
On balance, due to the destruction of money by defaults and crashing real-estate values, the net amount of money (credit and cash) is dropping.
Mako is correct.
What he said was: There are two opposing forces in the capitalistic system. We have a contracting private sector, behaving rationally. And we have a bloating public sector, throwing fiat money at the system, behaving unrationally.
Hence, the two forces result in a dynamic situation called volatility.
There you go. Elmo language.
+1 ... Very nicely succinct.
CD, it looks like the key is in the link to the image:
It's not a static .jpg. Post the .jpg image as a link. I do this with images in my emails. Just use the image itself (.jpg) and insert a link as you would do for any text.
Don't these private banker fools realise the government is just handing their worthless bonds back to them in the form of worthless non-interest bearing paper?
The ECB creates Euros by monetising bonds, it's the same damn thing...the Euro & the bond, they are the same thing!
Does it really matter?? Look at the bright side.. Dow/ 56,000, Google/ 18,000 a share..
But you're just pricing the Dow in worthless bonds, what are you going to buy with your sovereign debt?
Im being sarcastic. I hope this Ponzi operation fails with a passion.
It is the same thing unless one extracts some from the loop and buys gold with it, isn't it?
"what are you going to buy with your sovereign debt?"
Are you crazy? Why I can sell my Google for $18,000 per share and either buy two shares of Apple for $9,000 a piece, or better yet 30 shares of Citibank for $600 a piece. Heck, if I play my cards right, I might even be able to afford my own Congressman.
I asked for a congressman for Xmas, but all I got was this stupid sock puppet.
Same thing ;-)
Dammit. Now you tell me - after I sent off a NASTY letter to jolly old Saint Nick about it, too!
sigh...Back on the naughty list again...
Who said you were ever off the naughty list? :>)
Hmph!!! No Christmas cake for YOU this year...
awww...you have to be good for a whole 364 days just to have fun for one day at Xmas. What kind of ROI is that? Sucks.
Better plan is be really, really, REALLY sorry at Xmas and see what cajoling + bargaining can get you. Lucky for me my Santa is very forgiving! ;-)
Sounds like you're taking lessons from some Wall Street banksters. They most certainly understand how to game the system, only their Santa Claus is in Washington, DC. And they just need to threaten Santa with a nuclear winter and Santa drops presents from a helicopter. None of this "nice" crap for them.
364 for 1...
but the MSM spends 200+ days pumping that 1 day... so it must be worth it.
jeez. we've been had.
but this year will be different. you wait and see.
Not to worry. What goes up will come down.
As long as our loser governments collect taxes, price goods & services in fiat, and reward banksters who short the world or sell shit they don't own and which doesn't exist - markets will go down. They have to, b/c if the government quits pretending then the people can quit pretending. Then the government morons would have to find real work, and the rest of us could keep (or dispense ourselves) the fruit of our labour.
So. This short squeeze will come down too. Perhaps as soon as when New York opens and the banksters who shorted the eurine and pound get tired of being squeezed. If not then, within a day or two, with the first sign of:
a) citizen unrest
b) government inability to make debt payments/disguise inflation/impose austerity
c) bankster losses on the short side
d) price of oil rises over $85
In the meantime, may all of us citizens enjoy the inflation.
I reckon this rise was nothing but London/Frankfurt using the excuse of Britain's new government 'coalition' to employ a squeeze they've been desperate to make for some time now. They needed any excuse...but the whole world would need to sign on to it (you know, even those unimportant non-Western countries) and stay signed on, to make it last.
ETA: EUR and GPB already selling briskly. My theory: They took it too high too fast...bet they're trying to allow room for New York to take it higher. I doubt they will, but if they do, I very much doubt Asia will keep it going...
Isn't the Central bank able to manipulate GLD / SLV also? Or will the price run beyond their control....Lets hope so.
unfuckingbelievable ... EUR/DXY turning into mimic not percentage moves but fucking 1 minute ticks .... mind boggling ... invert the DXY chart and place it over the EUR. Almost perfect matching.
Do you ever sleep!
not while im in my ZH mode. then im mike tyson with a roid rage and 46 cans of redbulls in him sans the raping urger.
gold $1242 and silver $1950 though lol
This reminds me of the time we tried putting the cat in a box to drive it to the vet.
The box didn't last long.
Hehehe.. Perfect analogy, I believe..
As a cat-owner, I loved that comparison!
Austerity. Sometimes it's just like failing to take a cat to the vet.
DOW 36k ? That's so yesterday. DOW 3.6E36 is more like it :-) To infinity and beyond
Gold is giving the lie to all the bailout shenanigans and propaganda. EUR goes down, Gold goes up. EUR goes up, Gold goes up. It doesn't matter anymore which fiat currency is imploding against which other fiat toilet paper. They are ALL CRASHING against G.O.L.D.
Got GOLD, Bitches?
Ah man just when I was going to try putting 50 yen inbetween two dollars and mail it to the power company. Just when I learn a trick they take the trick away.
don't fight the fed (until its broken).. 1 trn bucks is a hefty sum to manipulate fiat currencies and virtual equity indices..
the path seems clear.. currency debasement - stagflation - CBs gone broke - deflation
Ultimately, it will be revealed that the simplest strategy is also the best and most profitable one - holding 100% physical Gold ONLY. Many people will blow themselves up trading paper tickets instead of just sitting back, chilling and watching the fiat world around them implode.
I trade paper tickets, but only to buy gold with! (I get more paper tickets doing this than when I worked at a real job, with real labour - sooooo, when in Rome you know)
We have a tiny trading account, which has paid for itself a couple times now in terms of gold, but our balance left in it stays tiny. (Of course we never put more than that little balance at risk...) We withdraw a lot and trade the paper for beautiful, real, lustrous & seductive metal.
What haunts me is the day the metal runs out. I get fearful about that b/c we don't have anywhere near enough yet, with my husband's small wage and my little trading work...
Ren - The thing is that there is never enough. Think on the other hand that if you divide all the gold by the number of people in the world and then subtract the number who don't buy, 30 grams is oh let's see, 30 grams more than about 5 billion people have. So don't worry about it so much!
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