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Here Comes The Push To Repeal Obamacare, As Goolsbee Starts The Mutual Asured Destruction Charade On Raising The Debt Ceiling

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The new year is finally here, which means the new composition of Congress and the Senate is now in play and tickets to another year of political theater are rapdily selling out. In the meantime,  republicans are not wasting a single minute. Michigan Rep Fred Upton, who will lead the House Energy and Commerce committee, said today that he expects "significant" bipartisan support for a proposed repeal of the health care overhaul -- a vote he said would be held before President Obama's State of the Union address, reports Fox News. Politico chimes in: "We have 242 Republicans. There will be a significant number of Democrats, I think, that will join us. You will remember when that vote passed in the House last March, it only passed by seven votes." Of course, this is just more of the same theatrical BS that has made all of America sick and tired with the charade that is "democratic" governance. "Republicans reason that the voters who gave them the House majority in November expect them to at least go on record against the health law in the next session, though congressional rules make it highly unlikely that they'll be able to overturn it while a Democratic president is in office." So more theater. But in the meantime, both parties will conveniently ignore the one thing that Americans really voted against: fiscal stupidity and endless printing of money. After all, without excess spending and ridiculous debt issuance now that the securitization spigot is (luckily still) slammed shut, just how will Wall Street award it corrupt servants in Congress and the Senate? In other words, look for a lot of pomp and circumstance ahead of the only vote that matters: the raising of the debt ceiling, which will stunningly end up passing with a near unanimous vote.

More from Fox News:

Though it would be a steep climb for Congress to override a presidential veto in any climate, House Republicans bent on unraveling the bill face a more immediate challenge in getting the repeal to the president's desk in the first place. To get the ball rolling, they would have to convince the Senate, where Democrats hold a narrow majority, to follow their lead.

Upton said on "Fox News Sunday" that he expects those Democrats who voted against the bill last year -- those who are still in office, anyway -- to help build a strong majority in favor of the repeal, which could help on the Senate side.

"If we pass this bill with a sizable vote, and I think that we will, it'll put enormous pressure on the Senate to do perhaps the same thing," he said.

But Upton seemed to acknowledge the obvious roadblocks and explained the Republican game plan should the repeal fall through. As other GOP lawmakers have promised, he said Congress will comb through the law "piece by piece" to try to challenge provisions with questionable merit -- such as the individual mandate that's already being challenged in the courts and a controversial provision that would require businesses to issue 1099 tax forms for purchases that exceed $600. Obama has said he's willing to give the latter provision a second look as well, though his administration is vigorously defending the requirement that Americans buy health insurance

Somehow the feedback loops will interpret this development as positive for stocks. We also expect Cramer to come out with a note that diamterically contradicts his previous one, when he said a bear market would commence as soon as Obamacare passed.

And just to confirm that America's banana republic status will be cemented in under three months, when Congress passes the debt ceiling to well over $15.5 trillion, Austan Goolsbee was heard advising America not to play chicken with the debt ceiling (i.e., to pass it to an arbitrary number with preferably one hundred zeroes). The alternative to not increasing the ceiling is per Goolsbee, in true kleptocrat fashion, untold misery and destruction. From the AP:

The top White House economic adviser is warning against what he calls "playing chicken" with the need to raise the nation's debt ceiling.

For some conservatives, refusing to raise the limit on the federal debt would be a tactic to force the government into cutting spending.

Last February, Congress raised the debt ceiling to $14.3 trillion. The debt is now at nearly $13.9 trillion and growing each day. A move to raise the ceiling again is expected this spring.

The chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, Austan Goolsbee, says that refusing to raise the debt ceiling would push the country into default - and a far greater economic crisis than Americans saw in 2008.

There is no news as to whether America is also not supposed to play chicken with the same bond vigilantes that have made a mockery out of the European sovereign debt market.

 

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Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Death panels reinstated?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Goolsbee scares me. He could easily be a vampire. How apropos,

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:50 | Link to Comment cossack55
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I think that would be Ghoulsbe

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:23 | Link to Comment Harbourcity
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I thought it was Gooseme - that seemed more apropo

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:34 | Link to Comment the rookie cynic
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In all my future correspondence I'm going with Autsan "chicken-shit" Goolsbee.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:21 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Failure to raise the debt ceiling limits expenditures to tax revenue, which is 2 Trillion / yr.  

Interest on the national debt is "only" $440 billion.  How does this equate to default?  All interest could be paid.  No default occurs.

What doesn't get paid is salaries to a lot of unionized Federal civil servants.  THAT is not default.  That is just layoffs.  What doesn't get paid is some already approved contracts and spending.  That is not default.  That is just contract cancellation.  The cancellation fees could be paid and done.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:23 | Link to Comment goodrich4bk
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Where do you get $440 B for annual interest?  Here is the budget number for 2010 --- $187B.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2010_US.html

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:54 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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http://treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm

You link looks legit, but it's hard to see anything wrong with mine, too.

2010 was 413B.  2011 will be about 440B with the added trillion.

Regardless, if you are right somehow, it strengthens my point that refusing a debt ceiling increase does not generate default.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 03:40 | Link to Comment The Navigator
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Generally I don't trust numbers coming from the government - www.USdebtClock.org may or may not be correct but I take their numbers more seriously.

An interesting side note - what will be the cost of interest on the debt when the Fed has to raise interest rates to defend the USD in the money markets or attract buyers at bond sales? Or, by that time, will it be too late (hyperInflation where no one wants to hold USD)?

Either way, PM's are our safety net - Ag, Au, Pb.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:31 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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barring alchemical breakthroughs, pb is still lead.  pt (platinum) or pd (palladium)?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:29 | Link to Comment theXman
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Normally Goolsbee has a dry sense of humor, but during today's appearance on Meet the Press, he looked to be in a very dark mood. I wonder what is going on inside WH.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:48 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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from his c.v. he doesn't seem a dummy.  perhaps what has occupied this blog for two years is beginning to wear on a.g. as well.  he may also have additional concerns. 

ron paul isn't going to make the ben mcbank's life any easier (nor should he) and getting further stimulus through the house doesn't promise to be as easy as last time (which was hard given b.o.'s proclivity for negotiating with himself and general gutless wimping out).

then there are all those investigations the republican controlled house will launch against obama, as were launched against clinton.  this time however there will likely not be an economy expanding vigorously and one of history's great equity bull markets a'roaring.  on the other hand obama may actually be faithful to his wife.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:30 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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"Goolsbee scares me."

He should...

http://www.rense.com/general80/web.htm

Article by Webster Tarpley

[snip]:

"Barack Obama's top economics adviser is a member of the super-secret Skull & Bones society of Yale University, of which George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and John Kerry are also members, reliable sources confirmed tonight. Goolsbee is widely reported to have told Obama not to back a compulsory freeze on home mortgage foreclosures to help the struggling middle class in the current depression crisis..."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austan_Goolsbee

[snip]:

"At Yale, Goolsbee was a member of the Yale Political Union, the improv comedy troupe Just Add Water, Skull and Bones, and the Yale Debate Association

 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:50 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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no, no, not the debate association!!!!!  

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Bob Sacamano
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Won't survive BHO veto, but probably worth trying to draw some lines in the sand on the limits of government take over.  Unfortunately, the regulatory morass that the left seems to embrace is sand in the economic gears and will prove very difficult to extract absent full repeal of the legislation.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:50 | Link to Comment knukles
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Somebody ought stick an ammendment on the Debt Ceiling bill to raise Congressional salaries by 5000%.  Watch that get voted on!  535 "Present".

Don'tcha just love it; "ought at least go on record being against" or some such rotten twiff stuff. 
And as soon as having gone on record with "T'is a bad day when we must do that which we might not otherwise in good conscience, laddie."....

"I'll take the envelope for $1,000,000, Alex."

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:08 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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seems to me the economic gears (credit default swap, securitized mortgage obligation, derivatives thereon...) could have used a little more regulatory sand from say 1999 (gramm leach) through the utterly cynical takedowns of bear stearns and morgan stanley to at least the current iteration of trashing the fed's balance sheet, refusing to require accurate financial sector financial statements and paying off bondholders of insolvent banks with taxpayer funds.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Cramer can stick his BOO-YAH up his arse.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:21 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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The NWO crowd are not going to like hearing this.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:41 | Link to Comment robobbob
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What? grid lock, empty gestures, dissapation and fragmenting of citizen discontent while hidden amendments advance unseen and undebated while the real problems go unsolved and deteriorating.

Sounds like the NWO planning is going perfect.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:19 | Link to Comment hound dog vigilante
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Debt limit vote(s) is the litmus test for 2012 (& possibly 2014).

 

Those who vote to raise the debt ceiling will face primary and GE challenges, and many will lose. Which means the debt ceiling vote(s) is also an intelligence test... a vote to raise the debt ceiling is both morally corrupt and politically stupid. 

Debt ceiling vote = tea party fuel.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:31 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Freaky. i was just reading this article via yahoo mail check and thinking, I've got to post this link somewhere on ZH.

The full court press is already on. Smart timing, in a couple of months, trillion will be common-phrase. After 760 Billion, 20 trillion does not sound so bad, if repeated enough.

It's just 20 of the latest illion.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/2011/

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:37 | Link to Comment alexwest
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yep, end is near.. and i guess so called elite knows that..

 

it's  just matter when this year or next... it's quite clear as soon as

DEBT hits some kind of round figure 16,18 20 trln $ that's  it

they gonna lose it.. all those scanners, etc etc point to clear

path ..

 

only way to survive leave country NOW,, SELL HOUSE ,,

MOVE  MONEY  TO stable country north europe/ germany/ swiz

we are fucked...  sad :((((((((

alx

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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[...only way to survive leave country NOW,, SELL HOUSE ,,MOVE  MONEY  TO stable country north europe/ germany/ swiz...]---alexwest

Not sure I read your post clearly. Sounds like you are saying: to survive, a US citizen should relocate to a presumably "stable" country, e.g. Germany, Switzerland. (Or, perhaps you mean only move one's assets to said countries.)

I hear and read of many people who share your sentiment to leave the U.S.

You and I are cut from different cloth. I could no more flee my country than could I abandon my family.

I understand many folks do not feel nationalism. They are foreigners to patriotism. Indifferent to history and cultures bound by colored lines on a map.

You are surely cut from different cloth than I. Nevertheless, I respect your apathy as a human condition. It would seem to be in your God-given nature. You may return my respect please by staying the hell out of the way when those of us who love this country are called to restore it.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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"when those of us who love this country are called to restore it" ?????

This has got to be one of the most idiotic insane comments I've ever seen on ZH. 

What are you waiting for Mr. (alledged) Patriot?  What call?

Do taxes have to reach 100% of income for that call to go out?

Do the Constitution and Bill of Rights have to be completely shredded and thrown in the trash can for that call to go out?

Does America have to morph into total police-state tyranny for that call to go out ...when it will be way too late to do anything about it?

Does Wall Street have to steal ALL the weath from the middle class, reducing Americans to homeless peasants rummaging through trash cans for something to eat for that call to go out?

People like you are the MOST DELUSIONAL of all, waiting for some "call" to go out to get off your lazy asses and set about "restoring" America.   What complete utter bullshit.

America is not going to be "restored". No nation in human history beset with this much top-level criminality and depravity has EVER been "restored".

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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Good post, but it would be a little more effective if you didn't beat around the bush.  Just come on out and tell us how you really feel.......

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 01:08 | Link to Comment Milestones
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Hahahaha--good post. Both.     Milestones

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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[People like you are the MOST DELUSIONAL of all, waiting for some "call" to go out to get off your lazy asses and set about "restoring" America.   What complete utter bullshit.

America is not going to be "restored". No nation in human history beset with this much top-level criminality and depravity has EVER been "restored".]---cranky-old-geezer

Hat tip to you, cranky-old-geezer.

When I read your post, and hear passion like yours, I am moved to tears.

I can't describe the sadness I feel for our beloved country---where we stand today so very far from our founding.

I cannot presume to know when and in what capacity God will call me. I am not reluctant to be called, I am reluctant only for patience. Timing is important, your years will tell you so.

The economic storm, now quietly gathering, will soon come crashing on our shores. The storm will lay bare important lies. Sides will be taken.  

The "calling" is coming for many of us. Perhaps for you too, kind sir. For the young, the old, men, women, poor, rich, the sick, the strong, some armed to the hilt, some armed with only a full heart, Patriots All.

 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 03:36 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Your response is quite confusing.  You hat-tip what I said about a "call" that will never come, then turn right around and fantasize about that "call" coming.  Sorry, I don't understand.

God will issue that call?  To do what?  Restore America?  God doesn't care about America.  He turned his back on Israel, his "chosen nation" at that time, due to rampant top-level criminality and depravity, allowing Israel to be conquered and occupied with many taken into foreign slavery, and he's going to prevent such a thing happening to America?  No way.

Patriots? 

Patriots I read about went into action when British taxation was less than 5%.  You self-styled "patriots" today haven't lifted a finger when taxes are 50%+ ...except to fill out your tax returns and write the checks.

Patrots I read about wouldn't have tolerated their wives and children being sexually groped at airports by power-crazed moronic minimum-wage government thugs.  I quite believe they would have refused to fly, boycotting the airlines as a minimum, when you self-styled "patriots" today stand there letting them have their way with you ...and your wives and children.

Patriots?  I don't think so.

Delusional?  Very much so.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:20 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i think it was more the taxation without representation (still a valid complaint in today's crony corporatist state) than the absolute level of taxes.  the ease with which the elites support and the masses tolerate the police state aborning is deeply sad.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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[Your response is quite confusing.  You hat-tip what I said about a "call" that will never come, then turn right around and fantasize about that "call" coming.  Sorry, I don't understand.]---cranky-old-geezer

Where I come from, a hat tip is a gesture of respect to women and elders.  (Even cranky ones.)

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment trav7777
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there will have to be some sort of compromise on bamacare; the tidal wave in 2010 was too large to ignore and there's another election in just a couple of years.

if the main street economy continues to be this bad, there will be some hell to pay even though the electorate hasn't yet figured out that they are just the jane in a gangbang.

That said, all this kvetching over the debt ceiling is laughable and only illustrates how pathetic the average cognitive ability is now that we're talking about chunks of trillions in raises.  It's a simple geometric growth pattern with actually a relatively linear log plot, mathematically unexceptional.  Yet we hear all this braying when the doubling is "4" instead of "2."  The ceiling needs to be doubled on the growth interval, whether that be 1, 2, 4, or 128T

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:47 | Link to Comment unwashedmass
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actually, i think the entire exercise is going to be chalked up as mission accomplished for Wellpoint. They rammed thru truly massive premium increases due to what they said would be increased costs to them under the  new health laws. Now, they get a repeal before they actually have to provide any services, so its all good.

The medical structure in my state in now collapsing with doctors being laid off and hospitals closing....which is the norm in banana republics. Thing is, our politicians are just too damn dumb to see how they got skinned alive.

So nothing is changing here.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:53 | Link to Comment uno
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politicians have their own health insurance, so their families will not be inconvenienced.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Corporations do not pay taxes, they are tax collectors for the State.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBt8xEWP7RU

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:26 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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some of the politicians are dumb, more are smart.  too many are corrupt.  it is the latter that is the problem.  they must be corrupt to survive.  the supreme court says so (political contributions from corporations cannot be restricted -- it's their constitutional right).

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:52 | Link to Comment Rick Masters
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"Just the Jane in a gangbang"...classic. We should compile a list of classic ZH sayings. Lists, bitchez!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:52 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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That said, all this kvetching over the debt ceiling is laughable and only illustrates how pathetic the average cognitive ability is now that we're talking about chunks of trillions in raises.  It's a simple geometric growth pattern with actually a relatively linear log plot, mathematically unexceptional.

With due respect, it's not linear; it's begun to reflect near exponential qualities, especially when taking into account the magic of compound interest.

America's debt, like some other 'advanced nations,' is now parabolic.

Look at a debt chart of the U.S. in the last decade, and compare it with any decade prior.

Better yet, compare the last decade of U.S. debt, on a chart, with the prior 5 decades.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:03 | Link to Comment digitalhermit
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With due respect he said "linear log plot". Of course you'd expect a linear log plot for exponential growth.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:22 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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I've forgot my logarithms.... does it stay linear if exponent is a 3 instead of a measley 2? I'm guess yes. Ergo...if we use that metric YEE-HAW, let's make it the 4th power, or the 5th, eh?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:38 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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Worse is better from where I stand.  I want this jewish and brown america to collapse.

The last 50 years has been fucking hell here.

Let's see it come to it's logical conclusion for once.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Mr. Majestic
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I see the Aryan Nation contingent is in the house.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:50 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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The silent majority is not going to be silent now that we have reached critical mass.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Mr. Majestic
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If you mean  listening to rich white assholes complain

about how bad they've got it, you can save it. Go on being silent

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:59 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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You're in for a world of hurt.

The facts are in and no one believes the Fifth Columnists on the electric synagogue or the jewspapers anymore.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:02 | Link to Comment Mr. Majestic
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Dude, you need to switch to decaf.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Mr. Majestic
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And what's with your obsession with anal anyway?

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:06 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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I've been inundated with scatological "humor" via jews like adam sandler for 30 years.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:15 | Link to Comment Mr. Majestic
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I'm going to fire a Christian at work tomorrow, just for you.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Eric The Red
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+1

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:21 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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I hope he shoots and kills your wife and daughter in retaliation.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:15 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Yep , its time to go postal, while we still can.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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I hope he shoots and kills your wife and daughter in retaliation.

Knowing when the pit you've dug is too deep to climb out of is the beginning of wisdom.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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wow - the sodomizer's really on a roll today, huh? I mean...the man is red hot

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Yits and the Yimrum
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it's funny how the zio's do notsee how they are being set-up for a German like experience again in this century due to their filth and war against Anglo America

I am not for this purge, but it is being set up by an even higher relm of fascists

your arrogance will destroy your future, no doubt

people who think the visable banksters will call the final shots are in for a big surprise

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Croesus
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Groups blindly condemning other groups is a sad statement of the human condition, but one which will exist for time eternal as long there are those who lust after power.

The lust for power transcends certain people in all races, creeds, religions and cultures, and it is the true manifestation of evil. 

When discovered by the masses, it is forced into the shadows only to return anew, as the memories of its presence fade in the minds of the good.

JMHO.

 

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Cow
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Let's all give thanks and sing the "Turkey Song"

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 02:08 | Link to Comment Andy Lewis
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Fuck off and die, Nazi filth.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:24 | Link to Comment NuckingFuts
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Why can't we all just get a bong?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:04 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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Nucking futs?

Fucking Nuts!

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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Holy Shit!!! Did you just somehow manage to leave a post without trolling some bullshit about Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck or Camaros? 

New Years resolutions are a pain in that ass aren't they, Repugnifuck.....

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 09:15 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Wow, no STFU at the end..  A new leaf.  Find the Bamsters college transcripts yet..  How about his golf scores, more golf than Bush in 2 years, new record.  Never anything about that socialist bammy..

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:28 | Link to Comment Harbourcity
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Dude, where's my czar?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 04:10 | Link to Comment The Navigator
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+2 Quadrillion - thanks for the smile it brought while reading the BS about skin color or religion.

The fight is not about Jews or brown/yellow/pink skin - it's about 'them' stealing our money and labour via fake money and inflation. Don't get side-tracked on this false flag BS about Jews or skin color - we the People (99.998%) are getting screwed by the money makers, the banksters, the Bilderbergers, and the morons in government.

BTW dude, your Czar(s) are all at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, WA DC - is it too late for that cash for clunkers deal?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:43 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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It makes me cough a lot when I do that.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:06 | Link to Comment hardmedicine
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Ah, fight club.  Where else can you still go and have all this entertainment, cursing, bigotry, rudeness and see it stand. Anyone else notice in the last year how you have to "sign -in" now for anything no matter what, WSJ, yahoo, you-tube, no matter.

 

Thanks HPD. for the laughs.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:29 | Link to Comment trav7777
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rich white people don't suffer from affirmative action.  The middle class and lower class whites do.

It isn't the children of legacies who don't get admissions.

Multiculturalism is a failure.  The more africans we have, the more we resemble africa.  The more mexicans, the more like mexico.  It's a simple matter of genetics.

Disingenuous white liberals in their whitopias, like you probably are, need to STFU

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:34 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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cultural marxist jews use brown people as cultural, political, economic, and biological weapons of mass destruction, while maintaining seperateness for themselves.

They are a congenitally sociopathic, nation-wrecking race cult of liars and swindlers masquerading as a religion.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:58 | Link to Comment merehuman
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It saddens me to say this liberal sodomy, but i agree with that statement having dug into history. Its been eye openinng. This white man has until now not had a racial conscience.

Realizing at last that me and mine are in danger from these folks is waking my ass up.

Thank god its all falling apart or i would never have known what a clueless fool i have been. I recognise the jews, many of them are as much a victim as we are.

This man is done being a debt slave.

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:15 | Link to Comment hardmedicine
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merehuman:

I'm 50 and in the last year after reading through countless hours of history I am also waking up to an unbelievable racist feeling to protect the white race.  Since I live in the southwest U.S. and see the massive onslaught of white becoming the minority here I have recently looked to other states to find where it might be possible to still "live among my kind".  I can't believe it really!  But it looks as though a person will have to move to the extreme Northeast into New Hampshire and Connecticut to still live among the white majority who are Christian and celebrate Christmas and heterosexuality.  I'm very conflicted over it but I'm also through being a slave of ANY KIND , debt or otherwise,  and I just have had to draw my own conclusions.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:45 | Link to Comment trav7777
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ok, here's your first step, both of you

NEVER EVER call another white person a racist.  If you see another white person doing it, chastise them in some way.  Never ever side with a nonwhite over some claim of racism and ostracize and isolate those who use this epithet.

The racist tag is empowered by disingenuous whites and is a total joke, but a joke that can currently ruin careers among other things.  Were the racial situation a level playing field, fine, but it isn't. 

If there are inadequate blacks in ANY organization because they fail at tests of aptitude compared to asians or whites or even hispanics, a racist organization is formed to promote their participation irrespective of merit.  This is not true for whites.  Nobody gives a shit about WASP underrepresentation at MIT or the disproportionate participation of asians.  There are groups like La Raza and NAACP who look out for their memberships along strictly racist lines.  Therefore, any claim of racism by whites should be viewed as null and void and should be ignored and even rejected by any other white.

Let brown people police their own racism before pointing fingers.  And let them stop committing crimes by the assload or else their race should pay REPARATIONS for this.

Yeah and NH and CONN?  Forget it.  Chock full of DWLs in their whitopias, trying to flee BRA at the same time as they condemn anything white.  Stay away from the marxist places.  The west is where you can find some like-kind.  As in Wyoming and places like that.

At some point, humans are going to have to make painful acknowledgement of facts which we all know to be true, but which people wish weren't.  AKA, 'hate facts' which tend to illustrate inequality.  Black 'culture' is a failure and there is nothing wrong with you for recognizing that.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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White folks, everywhere, are in for a rude awakening. At least the one's who are asleep at the wheel.

Cycles, no getting away from them. America/England (pretty much the same thing in my book) are going back to the mix. Cannot run away from it.

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/as-the-great-wheel-turns-rele...

ORI

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:14 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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no worries.  You're over 50.  Go ahead and dwell on this utter bullshit.   You and others of your age brackett will take it to the grave and it will be passe.  People under thirty are not worried about skin color or sexual affiliiation or religious beliefs as a means to measure being American.  go hide somewhere you feel safe so the rest of us can live together in tolerance and respect.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:21 | Link to Comment smeagol
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In Europe and Russia alone, the Jews have been banished 47 times in the last 1,000 years and over 109 times throughout history.

 

Seems your not the only one not that keen on them.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Some of the biggest insults we can throw to somebody are all synonyms of Jews.

I once asked one why they keep wearing those black jackets and have those curls in their hair because that is what makes them so noticeable. He answered that this is for their own people to see the difference between other people. They do think they are vastly superior to us.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:42 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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I can see how they would feel that way.  Look at these studs.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1604/42/29/577693897/n577693897_1143841_1580.jpg

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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When I saw that photo of Jack Abramoff being taken away to prison, I made a comment on the "conservative blog" I was on, at the time, that he was wearing a very nice cowboy hat. My meager attempts at humor were not taken well.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:18 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Liberal is somewhat crude in his approach, but I can't disagree with the unabashed , dirty, ugly truth.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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They are a congenitally sociopathic, nation-wrecking race cult of liars and swindlers masquerading as a religion.

And what about those godless Methodists, anyway?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:51 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Disingenuous white liberals in their whitopias, like you probably are, need to STFU"

+++++++++a trillion, give or take a 100 billion OMB rounding error.

Popcorns almost done...carry on ;-)

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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You should put "President" butter on it ;)

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I saw that one...LOL.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:01 | Link to Comment M.B. Drapier
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The more africans we have, the more we resemble africa. The more mexicans, the more like mexico. It's a simple matter of genetics.

While presumably all that Scottish DNA explains the US' history of banking failure. It all makes sense!

EDIT: Please note obvious sarcasm. I will admit that it's dangerous to try sarcasm in a followup to Mr. Sodomy, who is either a bravura troll or deadly serious.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:52 | Link to Comment trav7777
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largest white ethnic representation is german.  That's why the nation worked well for so long, along with a heavy amount of scandinavians.

There is a measurable qualitative difference in various attributes between what we call "races."  There is nothing you can do or say to make this not true.  We may argue about WHY it is, but not THAT it is.

No shit, people really are different, evolution really is real.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:02 | Link to Comment merehuman
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I prefer to live in a multicultural environment because of liveliness. The aliveness factor means something to me. We all fit in this zoo.

I wouldnt mind the jewish fellas running the country if the jewish fellas had not monopolized their hold on power up to and including the media.

They truly have us by the balls.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 02:58 | Link to Comment trav7777
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and it's YOUR prerogative to live around the "edge" or whatever.  But when they are cramming it down throats as in busing and forced quotas, then that is altogether something else.  I like the action too, but I would rather raise my kids in schools where the students aren't on the verge of Cat 5 chimpout at the drop of a hat.

I also don't much like being the victim of racially motivated violence or have to worry about being robbed on any given day.  And, who wants to eat an EEOC suit when you fire the wrong colored person for incompetence.

You're entitled to your diversity, but Diversity is altogether a different movement (the capitalized version).

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:57 | Link to Comment UninterestedObserver
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So what, when TSHTF EVRYONE will be a target - bullets are colorblind...

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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For a while, you are probably right. There is no organized opposition to speak of.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:21 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Yes the whites have been caused to seperate into left and right and independent and all of that jazz. It makes them easier to control and destroy. Multiculturalism and diversity were always meant to be a failure. we whites bought into it because we were told it would make our nation stronger. what fools we were to believe this jewish lie, while they remain separate and aloof and in control and through their religious leaders, being told that they are superior and to not mix with the cattle.....These cows now must do what cows have never done, and that is kill the plantation and the pasture owners before they do the same to us.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 03:08 | Link to Comment trav7777
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the height of irony is the idolization of blacks by jews...one of my black girlfriends is CONSTANTLY getting hit on by jewish guys in NYC trying to be her sugar daddy.  Some of these guys are major hitters; you'd know the names if I dropped them.  I know a jewish guy with mulatto kids, this type of Lenny Kravitz thing happens often enough to be oddly disproportionate.  It's seemingly so frequent that I have other black girls I know and they may recount stories and I am like "was he jewish?" and they say "how did you know?"

Don't understand it, to be honest, as I have heard the flipside from token gentiles in jew-dominated neighborhoods as far as their daughters' collective impression of the black kids in the highschools as "spearchuckers."  People are weird.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:07 | Link to Comment hardmedicine
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+40million

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Bearster
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You and liberal sodomy are both morons.  He is obviously a racist puke who, lacking any self-esteem or accomplishments in his life, wants to revel in being a member of a race.

And you think the opposite of hating blacks and jews is ... hating whites.

I sure hope neither of you get any traction with your murderous ideas.  This has already been tried in the 20th century, and so if it isn't obvious just from looking at the nature of your ideas, it should be from looking at what they actually accomplished when put into practice.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:30 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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What is a racist?  Who defines such words?   As I have stated before and I will say again, the final frontier is race and tribe, and I know this for a fact because until whites understand this, they will continue to tilt at windmills. You have to think as one and move as one. Such a thing, as I have stated before would change this land and change the world. In both world wars, we Americans in truth and in fact, fought our racial cousins in Europe .Why would we do such a thing?  What good is there in doing such things?  Yet we did. Many died for nothing as they do now. What good are all of these wars?  Who does the dying and why?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:46 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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What scares me the most are old white men sitting on golf carts in polo shirts with their ear plugged into a cell phone.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:55 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Go fuck yourself, DWL.  Have mulatto grandchildren.

Nobody suggested murdering anyone, but this is the CLASSIC cloture tactic, the Godwin's Law Hitler dig.

No, we don't need to exterminate jews, we need to exterminate DWLs.  You all loathe yourselves anyhow, and are suicidal.  We should help you find peace.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 02:13 | Link to Comment Andy Lewis
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You need to exterminate yourself, roachie. 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 03:11 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Naw, you first, bitch

The best thing about DWLs is that they are spineless and dislike guns.  Easy marks.  Plus they hate themselves and will be willing to die.  All that will be needed is for there to be a colored face to their exterminator.  They consider it the height of deserved virtue to be murdered by a black man.

They celebrate and revere the mulatto grandchildren from different fathers, well...at least until the 3rd strike anyway.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:49 | Link to Comment ViewfromUnderth...
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The "silent majority" are the dead of antiquity...Richard Nixon had a sense of humor, unlike your repulsive avatar and outlook.

I am sorry to see you here this year.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:27 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Yeah all people like you do is complain. When is this uprising? Pfft.

While many people agree with you, they do so silently and let everything fall apart in the first place. Why would anything change?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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Once the stores are empty and people realize they have and have had ZERO political power.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:20 | Link to Comment yabyum
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Hey Lib, Happy New Year to ya, Is the stormfront websight down?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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Thank you.  Which adl nest are you propogandizing from today?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment yabyum
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Mom's basement, and you?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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Your daughter's bedroom.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:25 | Link to Comment Vernon Wormer
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Damn, you are on fire!

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Cash_is_Trash
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Lib is right-on. Every race and person have different capacities according to genetics.

If you don't factor that into your thinking and subsequent actions we'd be even more fucked.

Sadly enough, the coming depression will eradicate good people and the bad alike.

This Marxist trash, multiculturalism and communism, have all been perpetrated by Jews.

Reality isn't racist.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:02 | Link to Comment knukles
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LOL

Allow me to be the first this New Year to call;

BULLSHIT!

Everyone of 'em talks about Unbridled, Altruistic, Good Old Fashioned, Down Home, Mom, Apple Pie American, One For the Gipper, Diversity, Love, Peace and.....

Bi-Partisanshit-ism.

And nothing whatsofuckingever has changed.  Hold on tight for another New Year of the Same Old Same Old Bullshit.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Everyman
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"I'd buy that for a dollar."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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Yeah, a PAPER dollar!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:03 | Link to Comment nmewn
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No doubt knukles.

But maybe...just maybe...them breaking out & brushing off the "something must be done" doo hickey this early might be an indication that someone heard a knife being sharpened behind a locked door somewhere...best get Goolsby out there stat(ist)...LOL.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:32 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I agree. Getting rid of Obama care is not in the cards. This is part of United Nations agenda 21, we must get rid of all useless eaters and unnecessary cows.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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[And nothing whatsofuckingever has changed.  Hold on tight for another New Year of the Same Old Same Old Bullshit.]---knukles

Agreed.

Too many of the same old politicians returning to their feathered beds in D.C.

The corruption is too systemic for a single election cycle to eradicate.

Too many congressmen ignorant and/or apathetic to our nation's founding principles, documents, and history.

Too many legislators unaware and/or unaccepting of the imminent economic catastrophe.  (But, it is too late anyway.)

 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:29 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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"And nothing whatsofuckingever has changed.'

You vying with Missy Palin for the word containing the most syllables for inclusion into Merrian-Webster?  My vote's with you k-nuckles.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Spaceman Spiff
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How crazy are our spending politicians that it takes a game of chicken with the debt ceiling to get them to tighten government's belt?

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 15:59 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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Thanx Goolsbee! Should make my Silver Bullion/Miners Stock worth a lot more. Keep up the good work. You should be considered for "Times Man of the Year" along with all the other Times "douche-bag" men-of-year award recipients.......Sad really. I wonder if the Chinese will make me eat raw fish.

 

Hoser

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:11 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Repeal everything. It would be very wise for a government that has proven it can't take care of itself to get out of everything it wants to control through central planning. Government should get out of:

my light bulb

my car

my refrigerator

my doctors office

my lunch box

my soda

my candy bars

my light switch

my salt shaker

my internet

my phone calls

my "junk" at the airport

my ATM transactions

my bank account

my e-mails

the stock market

and get out of Afghanistan, and get out of everything else... 

 

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:34 | Link to Comment mynhair
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+ 17,743 tax code pages

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:32 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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17,743 tax code pages

 

Those were the 'good ole days.

The tax code (IRC) is 67,204 long.

 

A Simpler Tax Code

I don't even know what the average American Business spends more on the time and staff to handle computation of taxes...the last figure I had heard was an incredibly obscene one.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 17:57 | Link to Comment Eric The Red
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Great list.  I would only add "out of my bedroom".

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Ben Fleeced
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...but they match my drapes.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:00 | Link to Comment knukles
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Please don't tell my wife that or it'll be redecoration time revisited over and over again once more clash guess what I saved it was on sale....

She spends my money just like the gubamint. 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Monkey Craig
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and what I don't give my wife, she borrows (credit card, car note, jewelry note).

just like the Feds.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Big Corked Boots
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I would like to add "off my land."

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:25 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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Don't forget:

Your travel history via toll payment records

Your food purchase history via unfettered warrantless access to your grocery card records.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Don Birnam
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+++++

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment robobbob
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In my state, gambling is illegal

Yet the State runs the most crooked of games that steals from the poor, the desperate, and the stupid,

so you could also add "get out of my fantasy football pool"

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 05:53 | Link to Comment SheHunter
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add to that list:

my property

my house

my bedroom

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:12 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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I think everyone conveniently overlooks that the debt will never be repaid; it's too obvious.  Just like 600 Trillion (or thereabouts) in derivatives or tewn friggin times world GDP!!!

Numbers that really have no logical context until, of course it all comes to an end.

We'll know the end is near when, under some made-up terrorist threat, the NG or the marines are positioned around Capitol Hill and the WH.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Ben Fleeced
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It wasn't that exciting in '68. Lots less crime in the nice neighborhoods though.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Rockfish
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1 health care plan will see some changes but remains law. Banks rise

2. 80% of the pop will be to busy after wakeing up Jan 6 when the cc bills start rolling in to worry about politics.suffering after the heavy binge spending of Jan and Feb pay checks. Banks rise.

3. Everything you NEED (energy,food,public utilies....) to live will cost alot more - but felt only by 80% crew. Bankes rise

4. Municipals really start to feel the pinch and answer with layoffs and cutting services and revenue enhancement. But felt only by 80% crew. Bankes rise Banks rise.

5. Housing stays bad with some worse sprinkeled in thanks in part to higher rates. Banks rise.

6. Prayers are answered and alliens arrive and decintegrate Banks.

Thats enough.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 20:02 | Link to Comment knukles
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At least the aliens'll start eating the Wall Street banksters first, bein's they's the ones been fed best.

Zorg, careful you don't choke on that Rolex...

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 02:15 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Hey, don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:17 | Link to Comment johnnymustardseed
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For everyone who hates Obamacare. Tell me what your answer to the problem with heathcare costs is??? I own a small business with 30 employees and Medica has raised our rates 35% the last two years and we have been told that they expect to increase our rate another 25% this year. We will likely end healthcare for our employees this year.  I have asthma, very managable but make me unable to shop. I am 55 and my wife is 52. We pay $25,000 a year. Go ahead and repeal it cause it didn't do enough to fix this mess, but the fucking Republican answer this is to not do a fucking thing.
Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:26 | Link to Comment IrishSamurai
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but the fucking Republican answer this is to not do a fucking thing.

On your next doctor's visit ... you might want to get your eyes and ears checked:

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=8516

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/#Healthsecurity

 

It's not perfect ... but it is way better than Obamacare for this reason alone:

Encourages the adoption of health information technology and assists states in establishing solutions to medical malpractice litigation.  == TORT REFORM

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Republicans wont change a damn thing. Just like democrats voted for extended tax breaks for the rich.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:38 | Link to Comment IrishSamurai
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[sarcasm]

Your command of syllogism is impressive ... you were a philosophy major, weren't you?

[/sarcasm]

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:47 | Link to Comment johnnymustardseed
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Tort reform would save maybe 2%, so my rates would go up only 23% big deal. Republicans care only about profits for their corporate buddies.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:29 | Link to Comment IrishSamurai
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If you really have a company with 30 employees ... (SARC) ...

You'd realize that the 2% savings you claim in tort reform (another made up statistic on the spot) ... wouldn't directly translate to a 23% increase in your personal premiums ...

Nice tell.  You're either the biggest small business owning moron (and should go out of business) since you have no concept of risk sessioning ... or you're a great troll (my money is on this one) ...

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:31 | Link to Comment trav7777
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how much would it cost you out of pocket to deal with this asthma and what is its cause?

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:45 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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Careful Trav,,, Don't open that old, "addressing the cause" can of worms again; a man wearing black coveralls has just been dispatched by Pfizer to file through your brake lines.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Everyman
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I don't think that either political party has the intelligence, balls, courage, or judgement to fix anything.

I also do not believe for one minute that YOU (JohnnymusTARDseed) own a business or have 30 employees.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:40 | Link to Comment IrishSamurai
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I don't think that either political party has the intelligence, balls, courage, or judgement to fix anything.

Damn right here.  Paul Ryan might propose some good ideas ... but the Republican party will never adopt them ... as it would kill their Golden Goose (corporations, lawyers, bankers, etc.)

 

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 21:50 | Link to Comment johnnymustardseed
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Well I do and obviously you don't  because you would understand the real burden health care for employees can be.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:35 | Link to Comment liberal sodomy
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buy a brown paper bag for a quarter.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Yup, why is that?  You and your 30 employees are in a kiddie pool together.  Do they smoke?  Are they fat asses?  Do they excercise?  Its not just you.  Funny how my auto insurance includes everyone that my carrier covers, not just my co-workers.

Also,  why do we pay for routine phsicals out of pocket?  We all think every last medical expense should be paid for by a 3rd party.

Finally,  the states all force insurance companies to cover everything under the sun.  I dont need toupe coverage, I won't be going bald anytime soon.  We pay for a myriad of things in healthcare that most of us would never dream of using. 

I'd like a catastophic coverage plan in the event I get something that truly is expensive like cancer.  Covering broken toe nails is over the top.

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Double.Eagle.Gold
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End all 'health insurance', do so immediately. We did just fine as a population until after WW2 and this 3rd party payer thing started.

Lots of Hospitals will go bankrupt if they have debt. The bond holders will get screwed, tough luck. Hospitals can continue operating, but will now have to drop fees and such to the level where folks can pay. It will be a tough shock to the system, but once the crying is done we will have a free market system.

Of course this won't happen until the rest of the FIRE system fails, can't happen fast enough as far as I'm concerned.

 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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WTF!!!!!

And in the process of system becoming "free market" what happens to the care of the sick, injured and dying people....  DO THEIR TEARS COUNT!!!!! ?  GET REAL!!!!!! 

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment DonnieD
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Eliminate the middle men (insurance and government payors). Give the poor and elderly a montly stipend for healthcare if they need it but make them shop for the best deal for their money. Prices of healthcare will collapse and we won't even be having this discussion. In the middle of every price bubble is either government or finance companies. ie. tuiton, healthcare, housing bubble, oil, etc....

Sun, 01/02/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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What is the answer , simple. Every traitor's head on pikes up and down Pennsylvania ave, the white house in flames, (after all precious artifacts have been removed to the Smithstonian) , the washington monument in rubble (pull down the high places)  and this is just a start. anymore questions?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 00:45 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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You don't believe you must have car mechanic insurance.  You take care of your damn car and keep it from breaking down.

Ditto for your health.

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