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Here It Comes: Shi'ite Iran Sends "Solidarity" Flotilla To Sunni-Controlled Bahrain

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Those seeking the spark that will set off the next middle east conflagration can finally rest easy. Reuters reports that Shi'ite-ruled Iran sent a flotilla to Bahrain on Monday to show solidarity with mainly Shi'ite Muslim protesters, escalating tensions with the island kingdom that is home to the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet. As a reminder, Barhain is the nation that imposed a total and complete media blackout, going so far as to expel a Reuters correspondent, while most likely continuing its atrocities against protesting Shi'ites, which has raised the specter of a possible war erupting on the tiny island home, so critical to the US navy, and situated only 60 miles away from the world's largest Gwahar oil field. If Iran is serious about this latest escalation between Shi'ites and Sunnis, and it certainly appears to be, all hell may break loose as this could be the straw that not only breaks the proverbial camel's back but launches a full out Gulf States war (and woe to those short CL in a worst case scenario that sees the involvement of Israel, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, not to mention all of the the middle eastern countries).

From Reuters:

It was not clear when the convoy might reach Bahrain, which has a majority Shi'ite population but is ruled by a Sunni king.

Bahrain, which has cracked down on pro-democracy protesters in recent weeks, has criticised the decision to send the flotilla and accused non-Arab Iran of interfering its affairs.

Iran's English-language Press TV said 120 activists, including professors, students and clerics, were aboard the convoy, sent to condemn the killing of Bahraini protesters.

"The convoy will seek to get permission to get inside Bahraini waters. However, it is very unlikely that at this point in time the Bahraini government would allow this," it said.

In an interview with Al Arabiya television, the head of Bahrain's Information Affairs Authority, Sheikh Fawaz bin Mohammed al-Khalifa, said the move was unacceptable.

"This is a blatant interference in Bahrain's internal affairs, especially since Bahrain does not ask for humanitarian aid from ... Iran," he said.

In a sign that the flotilla could heighten sectarian tensions in the Gulf, one newspaper reported that Kuwait would protect its neighbour from any Iranian threat.

 Kuwait has sent navy units to Bahrain as part of a regional force deployed in Bahrain in March to help end weeks of unrest inspired by the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt.

"Kuwait will not hesitate to defend the Kingdom of Bahrain against any danger that may threaten its security," the al-Watan daily quoted an unnamed senior Kuwaiti source as saying.

"Bahrain's waters are a red line, and Kuwait naval forces deployed there ... will not allow any Iranian ship to approach the kingdom's shores."

It may be time to go long crude all over again...

 

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Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:38 | 1279335 Bob
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Okay, hold my OIL.  Arab $pring?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:53 | 1279403 JW n FL
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Maybe a Margin Hike will save the prices of Oil and PM's again?

 

Shoulda...

 

Coulda...

 

Woulda...

 

Bought the FUCKING! Dipps / Dripps!!!

 

Buy Low... Sell High!

 

Tangibles are worth more than paper futures!

 

any of this getting thru? a 3 fronted war? lol

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:20 | 1279496 Ahmeexnal
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Major earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, droughts coming. Courtesy of Comrade Putin:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/secret-weather-weapons-can-kill-millions-war...

Comrade Zhirinovsky should stay away from hotel maids.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:25 | 1279529 Green Leader
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Russia is quietly watching and taking note of what USA is doing, look at the counterclockwise hurricane spinning:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-wv.html

that's made from the US Caribbean, take note too.

In the end, Russia will win with its most advanced longitudinal interferometry guns.

 

 

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:57 | 1279689 JW n FL
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The state news agency announced last Tuesday that Saudi Arabia was printing 1.5 million copies of an edict by religious scholars outlawing protests in the kingdom as un-Islamic.  I got my copy yesterday. Eleven reasons were given on why protesting is "Haram" or forbidden in Islam. Here's a summary:
  1. The two Holy Mosque are in Saudi Arabia therefore we have to protect them from anything that would cause instability
  2. Demonstrations (whether peaceful or violent) are incitements to disobeying the ruler, which is forbidden according to Imam Nawawi
  3. Hardship and poverty require patience, they're easier than lack of security!
  4. The prophet (pbuh) said "listen & obey" even if the ruler is unjust because he knows better
  5. The deviant 'West' does not want Sharia in Muslim countries and their influence on our neighbors (meaning Tunisia & Egypt) is the reason why their protesters did not ask to implement Sharia
  6. Protests ignite sectarianism & tribalism
  7. Instability in Saudi Arabia is instability to ALL Muslims following the Sunnah
  8. Security personnel would be obligated to intervene if different factions in society clash, which would mean Muslims fighting each other
  9. Protesting is not a tool for change, advising the ruler is what brings change
  10. The 'West' is waiting for instability to "absorb" our (natural) resources
  11. If you have food on the table and a place to live, it's forbidden to cause chaos!

 

http://happyarabnewsservice.blogspot.com/2011/04/15-million-copies-of-fatwa-prohibiting.html?spref=tw

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:07 | 1279727 TheTmfreak
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To me this says that we better look out for protests. This is definitely a precursor. Having to explain to the population that their grievances, regardless of what they are and their righteousness, would be wrong to act on.

Once I saw that there was some protests in Saudi Arabia (what two months ago, even though they were small) I said that is the starting spark that is going to throw the whole middle east oil cartel under, and globalism as we know it. We'll see......

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:17 | 1279774 JR
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These details fall under the heading of an excuse to protect the “special” relationship with the superpower depending on the royal family and its oil deliveries.  They never want to get into the position where they're dealing with "protesters."

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:03 | 1280176 Confuchius
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All Northern Hemisphere lows (incl 'urricanes) spin counterclockwise. You would benefit from a private pilot's course (available on the internet) which would include how to interpret weather maps and satellite loops.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:36 | 1280284 Green Leader
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I took meteorology in college.

You should have seen the square edges and the 'ladder' in the water vapor loop. It's not hurricane season yet-and the thing is man made.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:55 | 1279404 Mercury
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Yes, I think I can hear the music swelling...

And it's SPRINGTIME for Shi'ites and Su-ooo-nis!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:05 | 1279452 High Plains Drifter
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its muslim against muslim and the arabs never can figure out why their lot never seems to improve, in their own lands,  which are rich in natural resources. Yet for many they live in a state of grinding poverty....fools they are , and like us all, fools they have always been. pawns in the game. useful idiots playing their parts.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:40 | 1279619 blunderdog
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Black vs. white, citizen vs. immigrant, affluent vs. poor, urban vs. rural, young vs. old...

Seems to me the whole species is pretty fuckin' stupid.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:02 | 1279718 High Plains Drifter
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remember what zardoz said. 

the gun is good and the penis is evil ............go forth and kill.......

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:47 | 1279659 ElvisDog
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Well, they're rich in oil and natural gas and that's about it. They are decidedly un-rich in things like arable land, agricultural production, fresh water, trees, good looking women, and so on.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:15 | 1279762 lincolnsteffens
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How would anyone know if they have good looking woman? They keep them covered from head to toe.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:41 | 1279854 Alienated Serf
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actually Iran has some pretty good chicks.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:11 | 1280202 BigJim
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Indeed. They do tend to run to fat as they get older, though.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 22:36 | 1281660 gall batter
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"A couple of neuroscientists looked through a billion publicly available Web searches from about a million people and told Salon, 'There are almost three times as many searches for fat women as there are for skinny women' and 'men search for penises almost as often as they search for vaginas.”'



http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/research_finds_straight_men_like_looking_at_fat_women_penises_20110515/

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:47 | 1279867 Weisbrot
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so many disasters man made & others

so much turmoil all over the globe

conspiracy or happenstance it almost doesnt matter

I am convinced that the powers that be, believe something much worse will happen

various theories and reasons abound, based on strings or piles of truth

things will never be what they were

may what ever it is or the series of events that lead to it

be quick, be concise, and have the best possible outcome for the worse of all possible situations

 

until then enjoy all the side shows

and remember that everything is temporary

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:38 | 1279336 TheTmfreak
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This ought to be interesting...

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:53 | 1279388 Muir
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I'm sure I speak for robo when I say this is very bullish for stocks.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:02 | 1279444 TheTmfreak
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Everything seems to become bullish for stocks nowadays...

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:42 | 1279339 Broomer
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And here we go.

Dammit, I needed more time to buy more PMs...

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:58 | 1279410 achmachat
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today is still a perfect day for that.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:42 | 1279349 zeek
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Run up the market early to position for the frontrun drop...?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:42 | 1279353 TradingJoe
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OIL Calls! Leaps preferably! At the money! Lots of them :))!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:47 | 1279363 Cleanclog
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Are US troops/navy part of the Kuwait navy too?  I know we have a US naval base in Bahrain.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:46 | 1279367 writingsonthewall
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Why do I find myself cheering for Iran?

This is so complicated - the goodies are the baddies and the baddies are the gooddies now?

It's not helped by these sorts of things...

http://vodpod.com/watch/7895778-video-the-big-obama-osama-mistake-the-root

This is worse than the plot of Total recall when I thought Arnie was a good guy...then a bad guy...then a good guy again!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:03 | 1279449 TheTmfreak
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I'd rather stay on the side lines. Sure as hell not my fight, and I don't live in either one of their shoes.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:32 | 1279566 legal eagle
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You should never, ever, cheer for Iran.  95% of the mess in the Middle East is caused by these Shiates working toward their goal of world domination.  Without their religious beliefs, that the Ayatolla is devine (Jesus was not) and that they are called per the Quaran to conquer the world for their deity, there would be little struggle in the middle east.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:56 | 1279697 TheTmfreak
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I disagree with the statement about "little struggle in the middle east." While it is a very very large component of it, radical fundamental islam is almost primarily (if not completely) sunni. Would Saddam have been "so bad" without the Shias and Iran? Nonsense. What about the Kurds in Northern Iraq? How about the Palestinians who are/have been hated by pretty much every Sunni country in the area?

I think it is simple to point out the bad guy and say if they weren't there then it wouldn't be bad, but its just not the way it works. There are pissed off peoples with a hardon for power in every ethnicity and corner of the globe.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:10 | 1279738 Jim in MN
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And let us not forget the determined effort to abort national self-determination for just about anybody in the Middle East by the oil-addicted elites over the past century.

Hell, in the 1890s Egypt was full of robust debate about the role of Islam in democratic republics.  And the rest of the Ottoman provinces were watching Egypt. 

Churchill and his ilk considered the Arabs (and Persians) to be subhuman.

Illiteracy and external interference have much to do with the rise of extremism anywhere. 

Little girls with books and pencils would do a lot to move the world forward.  No matter their color or faith. 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:21 | 1279788 legal eagle
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Saddam was a nationalist who controlled the tribes.  Mubarrak was a nationalist that controlled the tribes.  Gaddafi was [is, for now] a nationalist who controlled the tribes.  These folks were all dictators looking out for themselves.  They were not trying to instigate anything on behalf of the sunni reglion.  Look it up, read about it, you will find that Sunni people chose their church leaders by democracy - because they, unlike Shiates, believe that their leaders are not devine.  And, as an aside, GW Bush is a greater war criminal than any of the above mentioned folks.  He caused more death and horror than any of them.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:44 | 1279852 TheTmfreak
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Where do I start...

Your first 3 statements prove my point. You said roughly "If Iran and its religious views were removed you wouldn't have as much struggle in the Middle East." I said bullshit, and named numerous other agitating factors to the middle east. You just named two more than what I did. So you proved yourself wrong, right out of the gate.

I didn't say those three leaders were doing anything for "sunni reasons." Why are you arguing things I didn't say? You can't even assume I meant that from what I wrote. So read what I wrote.

I guess the president of Iran isn't a leader there because he isn't a religious one? If thats not what you meant, use more specific language, because what you wrote is self defeating and contradictory.

 

What the hell does GW Bush have to do with anything? Why you had to drag him into this debate is beyond my understanding, but it is pretty typical and also extremely lame.  (It also helps my argument. Remember you said if it wasn't for Iran the middle east would have no problems. What about America?) You're facts are so blantantly wrong its ridiculous. You clearly have no understanding about Saddam or anything he has done in the past. I recommend looking it up. From 1979 - 2003, without counting the Iraq-Iran war (which is about 500,000 to 1 mil deaths in the area), Saddam was attributed to about 300,000 deaths, mostly Kurds and executions. But you know I guess according to you, thats Iran's fault.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:25 | 1282840 Use of Weapons
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++Mouse Army.

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Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1279897 lincolnsteffens
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Whoa, Nellie Bell! What was all the skin-head chatter on ZH over the weekend about the Jooz taking over the world? Now its only one sect of Muslims that out number the world wide Jewish population 5 to 1 trying to dominate the world? Can't you guys decide? Oh, that's right there are Christian sects that want to convert every one and send their devious agents (missionaries) to poor countries!

Interesting that of the three main religious groups the only one not trying to spread their religion is the Jews. The Muslims would make you convert or off with your head. Christians did the torture trick centuries ago and sent out Crusaders to kill their religious foes. The Jews on the other hand do not have missionaries, do not send armies to convert or slaughter do not proselytize but everyone wants to annihilate them. Is there something wrong with this picture?

Try handing out bibles in an Arab country and see what happens if you dare. Try handing out Korans in Israel for comparison. Better yet, visit Gaza or the West bank and proclaim your Christian Faith out loud. Yup, those Jews are just blood thirsty and want to kill all that reject their faith.

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:15 | 1279996 TheTmfreak
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Muslims no questions asked believe the Jews have forsaken their religion. I wouldn't be surprised that the "lack of spreading it" would be one argument they would have. (In other words, jews don't believe in what "jews" used to)

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:51 | 1280125 Holodomor2012
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Twas hofjuden behind the crusades.  Twas hofjuden behind the Muslim invasion of Europe as well.  Both then and now.

Then:  http://www.jstor.org/pss/4466922

Now:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlic_KYTdx0

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:21 | 1280262 BigJim
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Well, if we're going to condemn Christianity for the Crusades, which happened 7 centuries ago, why are we giving the Jews a free pass? The Torah is full of stories of bloodthirsty acts by the Jews, all sanctified (supposedly) by God.

And as for not wanting to spread their religion - no, they don't feel any great urge, because Jewishness gets spread via interbreeding. Anyone with a 'Jewish' mother is considered ethnically Jewish, even if that mother was descended from a long line of women who only bred with goyim. Which is why so many 'Jews' are clearly more ethnically European than Semitic.... and are entitled by zionist law to consider Israel 'home', unlike the genuinely Semitic Palestinians, who had their land stolen from under their feet.

Jews aren't interested in spreading their religion... but zionists are very keen to get all the 'Jews' into Israel to help support taking the land from the real Semites: the Palestinians.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:23 | 1280270 BigJim
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Whoa, Nellie Bell! What was all the skin-head chatter on ZH over the weekend about the Jooz taking over the world? Now its only one sect of Muslims that out number the world wide Jewish population 5 to 1 trying to dominate the world? Can't you guys decide?

 

So if different people say different things, but on the same site, they must all be wrong? Nice try.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:25 | 1280281 BigJim
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Try handing out bibles in an Arab country and see what happens if you dare.

Try getting your stolen land back from the zionists and see what happens if you dare. Frankly, I'd rather have my house back than the 'right' to distribute tomes of religious horeshit in some foreigner's country.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:52 | 1279394 NotAllowed
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Age of Empires!!  I'll play the Goths

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:50 | 1279374 Urban Redneck
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"The convoy will seek to get permission to get inside Bahraini waters. However, UNLESS HELL FREEZES OVER the Bahraini government WILL NOT allow this,"

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:48 | 1279378 Muir
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Sooo.... buy silver right?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:02 | 1279445 tmosley
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No, NO SILVER FOR YOU!

ONE YEAR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2lfZg-apSA

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:10 | 1279483 TheTmfreak
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In following this analogy, if one waited that long to get silver they'd be shit out of luck... just like if they waited to try and get soup a year later!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:51 | 1279379 Oh regional Indian
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See? It's all man-I-pull-ated. They have every variable by the short hair.

need some socio-political tension? Easy, start a hindu-muslim riot in india. Need to crash the markets? Do a false-flag (too many to mention). Need to steer the herd? Slaughter a few without mercy. 

Program, every day, mindlessly, mind-numbingly....

Interesting to be facing backwards in a stampede, on a little hillock in the middle.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/the-times-they-are-a-changinggggg/

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:49 | 1279655 Green Leader
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How about this for a manipulation?

Strauss-Kahn, IMF Scam Fails, the Debt Crisis Crescendo

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article28147.html

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:50 | 1279389 writingsonthewall
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I have to admire the oil market.

As the oil producing nations fall one by one into disarray the oil price continues to drop!

To say it's detached from reality is an understatement.

Even the nations not in political trouble (well current....well newsworthy!) - i.e. Iraq should be having a major impact on the oil price.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a7b1b332-7f14-11e0-b239-00144feabdc0.html#axzz...

Quite the proof (if needed) that markets are now being run by the money supply and not by the reality they should reflect.

I bet Friedman is crowing about being 'right' - although his 'right' is our 'wrong' and we have inadvertently allowed a fascist state to form as a result.

 

BTFD!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:52 | 1279396 samsara
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And HERE WE GO.....

 

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:56 | 1279401 TheEmperor
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Shi'ite happens!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:54 | 1279406 PulauHantu29
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"Very Bullish for the markets," says Wall Street.

BOOYAAH!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:57 | 1279408 jkruffin
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IRAN is all talk!!!! They are just like North Korea.  They just want some sanctions lifted or they make empty threats on little countries that only the U.S. cares about.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:06 | 1279446 I Told YOU So
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you don't get it, do you. It's because the US is there that most of this shit happens, we should get the fuck out and let them sort it out. no matter what they will still sell the crude as the markets demand.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:25 | 1279794 legal eagle
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Of course they will sell their oil, how else will they feed themselves, selling camel moccassins?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:14 | 1279486 zaknick
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Actually, this is payback for CIA/Soros' meddling in Syria. They're standing up for democracy and human rights in Bahrain, no

The KKK empire knows no shame.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:23 | 1279533 Oh regional Indian
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I think the way the world sees the word "cares" and the way the US sees it might be...poles apart.

ORI

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:47 | 1279633 JR
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All talk? There’s a lot of talk, there’s a lot of politics, there’re threats, superpower fleets on hand, flotillas, puppet governments (Kuwait and Bahrain), and Shi’ite Sunni friction.

But something else is present that is causing the disturbance – it’s the thirst for freedom. 

This was the lesson in Tunisia and in Egypt, and all the rest; and significantly, this was the lesson to be learned from the Israeli border clashes over the weekend; here the significant development occurred on Israel’s northern border where the plight of the Palestinians is now becoming the cause for Arab spring.

The people of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, more than ever before, appear to be making the plight of the Palestinians an important cause for their future as well. Whatever happens in the Middle East from now on, even in the waters off Bahrain, the subject becomes the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Pakistan talk! Iran talk! It is time that the U.S. stops looking for new enemies so that Israel can expand into new territory.

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:38 | 1279846 MrSteve
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Would that be the thirst for freedom to kill Jews and infidels, as the freedom-fighters in Egypt so neatly display their "freedom-loving" demonstrations including burning Coptics churches?

Why would Israel ever recognize their wanna-be executioners as a "state"? Your rhetoric is sick logic. The US is looking for new enemies in Pakistan? When it is hiding our old ones, like OBL??? The dreck from your keyboard junks your own post, so we don't have to.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:10 | 1279965 JR
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Actually, MrSteve, it would not be the freedom-fighters in Egypt who “thirst for freedom to kill Jews and infidels.”  In the case of the Palestinians, it is a thirst for freedom to stop being killed by the Israeli military; it is the hope to have a future other than raising one’s family in a fenced concentration camp, of being able to have a business or private property that you can call your own, or a country that you can support with your ambitions.

Israel is the aggressor and a million words and a million lies and a million cases of blackmail will never change that fact.

Here is the truth of what the Palestinians are up against described by Jonathan Cook, a journalist based in Nazareth, Israel :

It is called Spot and Shoot - played by women serving in the Israeli army. Operators sit in front of a TV monitor from which they can control the action with a PlayStation-style joystick.

The aim: to kill Palestinians in Gaza with the press of a button on the joystick. The female soldiers, located far away in an operations room, aim and fire remote-controlled machine-guns mounted on watch-towers every few hundred meters along an electronic fence that surrounds Gaza.

Audio sensors on the towers mean that the women hear the shot as it kills the target.

Giora Katz, Rafael’s vice-president of Rafael’s remote-controlled military hardware, says Spot and Shoot is the face of the future and expects that within a decade at least a third of the “machines” used by the Israeli army to control land, air and sea will be unmanned.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:08 | 1279956 Canucklehead
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Are you saying that Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon & Jordan will now allow Palestineans to emigrate to their respective countries; be full fledged members of their respective societies and yet maintain their Palestinean identity?

If these Arab countries do not welcome Palestineans with open arms, are they racist?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1280012 JR
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NO!  I’m saying that the Palestinians have a right to have a country of their own and not be imprisoned by the heavily armed protégé of a superpower, the occupying Israelis.

The horror stories committed by the Israelis in Palestine are 60 years long.

As Paul Craig Roberts said: “It was the distinguished Zionist Jewish Judge, Goldstone, who produced the UN report indicating that Israel committed war crimes when it attacked the civilian population and civilian infrastructure of Gaza. For his efforts, Israel declared the Zionist Goldstone to be 'a self-hating Jew,' and the US Congress, on instruction from the Israel Lobby, voted to disregard the Goldstone Report to the UN.”

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:32 | 1280534 Rodent Freikorps
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April 3, 2011

A top international jurist has retracted part of a controversial report on Israel's military operation into the Gaza Strip in 2008 and 2009.

South African judge Richard Goldstone says he no longer believes Gazan civilians were deliberately targeted as a matter of Israeli policy during the war which left up to 1,400 Palestinians dead.

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/03/135093832/goldstone-retracts-part-of-u-n-report-on-gaza

 

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 17:19 | 1280721 Holodomor2012
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Yes. well.  Being a moser can get you put in cherim.  Jew Goldstone was went against his tribe until they applied pressure.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:30 | 1280300 BigJim
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Why should they? The Palestinians were kicked off their land by the zionists; why is it up to other Arabs to look after them?

Is it your obligation to look after some neighbour you don't know who got forced out of his house by squatters, or is it the obligation of the squatters to leave?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:58 | 1280651 Canucklehead
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People emigrate.  Developed nations welcome immigrants other than those who don't adapt to their societies.

What's wrong with the Arab nations offering citizenship to those Palestineans who want to live in an Islamic society in another Islamic country?  It seems like a no-brainer.  Give your brother a hand.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 20:08 | 1281148 AurorusBorealus
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Save your Woodrow Wilsonesque naive idealism about some great yearn for freedom for MSM chatrooms and George W. Bush memorial sites.  The presence of the U.S. military in Bharain is the reason that Iran is promoting revolt there.  A Shi'ite pro-Iranian government in Bharain could expel the U.S. from a key military base, making support for continued operations in Iraq difficult logistically.  Pro-Iranian governments in Lebanon and Syria would have a similiar effect, driving a wedge between the American Middle East bases and Israel, all the while isolating Saudi Arabia so that the House of Saud would have to curry favor with Persian princes.  This has been the Iranian design since the fall of the Shaw, to support select Arab groups (Shi'ites in particular, but any group will do) in an effort to dislodge America from the Middle East.

Both the U.S. and Russia have been and continue to be interlopers in the region.  China has maintained respectful distance.  Expect much closer Iranian and China ties to develop in short order, with Pakistan as an intermediary.  A need for commodities and markets for Chinese goods will pull the Chinese ever closer to a tripartite pact with Pakistan and Iran with the goal of bringing the Arabs and their oil east.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:55 | 1279409 TheEmperor
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Shi'ite happens!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:59 | 1279413 monkeys.pick.bottoms
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I know how it sounds but the American Fifth Fleet is probably the only thing that prevents a big ugly war in the region. So, folks, voting for Mr. Paul is voting for a war among believers in the religion of peace, so...

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:07 | 1279455 I Told YOU So
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finish your sentence so we can reply as deserved, (you know what's coming do you not?)

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 22:15 | 1281590 monkeys.pick.bottoms
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As you wish:...so please vote for Ron Paul (I thought that was fairly obvious).

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:32 | 1279565 High Plains Drifter
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ron paul like so many is controlled opposition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHojj8KfP_c

i am sorry. the system and its tennacles are deeply intertwined within any "truth" activities and always was from the start.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:07 | 1279739 JR
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The last thing Ron Paul needs now is total debate over who it was who conducted the inside attack on 9/11 and “where is your evidence?”  And, ever after, at every debate each questioner would use that as the first question to derail Paul’s message.  The media’s been doing this to him with the birth certificate.  And on Planned Parenthood.  They want to create a way to identify him with one of their controversies.  Paul sidestepped the trap and used the derailing question to talk about the bad policy that created 9/11 and hastened the "war on terror."

He’s running for president; he doesn’t need this. The media is against him, the bankers are against him, the people who are promoting the other candidates so they can get cushy  jobs are against him. They would love to identify him in their terms.  Example:

“Dr Paul, what is your position on the recent FBI report showing that there might have been an alien landing in Roswell, New Mexico?” 

And from then on: “Haha, it’s flying saucer Paul and his looney campaign.”

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1279925 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=633

ron paul has been inside the beltway for 20 years and he never had done one damn thing......you paulistas need to smell the coffee. you are being lead down the primrose path and it leads to nowhere.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:39 | 1280077 JR
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Not one thing?  This is a charge that can’t be proven in that Representative Ron Paul has done one thing a thousand times: he has told the truth when the truth counted; he has told the truth courageously in the face of the most diabolical dangers ever to approach our beloved country.  He has faced down the bankers when it counted; he has sought the presidency when to have been elected would have started the process of unraveling the tyranny that has grasped America.

He has had his district gerrymandered several times in an attempt to have him unseated; Democrat candidates have switched to Republican to try and stop in the primaries; national Republican leaders have gone to his district to oppose him in the primaries; national Democrat figures have been brought into Texas to oppose him in the general election; both parties have gathered national campaign chests to defeat him.  And, still, the people re-elect him… because of the “things” he does.

I have liked some of the thoughts you have provided in our discussions and I hope that you don’t really mean to dismiss Ron Paul at this tragic moment in our history.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:23 | 1280489 High Plains Drifter
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let me ask you a question , there JR.

have you ever known anyone in your life that went around making hand signs like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x6inINzThw

what does it mean?

i can tell you one thing. i have never known anyone that did this, ever. yet in these days we see many people in power and in politics that do this stuff in public. one can only guess what it means. face it brother. he is captured. there can be no other answer at this time. one thing is for sure. long before i woke up there was a nascent truth movement in this country. i have heard old people talk about the days long gone by and some of the things that went on back then. one thing is for sure. the "movement" if you want to call it that, was always infiltrated from the start. one of the groups that was used as a infiltration scheme was the john birch society. many of your popular talk show host on alternative media today are john birchers....no doubt about it. and........so is ron paul.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:26 | 1280500 High Plains Drifter
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let me ask you a question , there JR.

have you ever known anyone in your life that went around making hand signs like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x6inINzThw

what does it mean?

i can tell you one thing. i have never known anyone that did this, ever. yet in these days we see many people in power and in politics that do this stuff in public. one can only guess what it means. face it brother. he is captured. there can be no other answer at this time. one thing is for sure. long before i woke up there was a nascent truth movement in this country. i have heard old people talk about the days long gone by and some of the things that went on back then. one thing is for sure. the "movement" if you want to call it that, was always infiltrated from the start. one of the groups that was used as a infiltration scheme was the john birch society. many of your popular talk show host on alternative media today are john birchers....no doubt about it. and........so is ron paul.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 20:10 | 1281146 JR
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Thanks for the video link, High Plains.  What does it mean? you ask.  

Answer: Nothing.

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:57 | 1280150 Green Leader
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A few months ago I got like 37 junks for saying he was not a true leader and had done nothing.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:31 | 1280043 GreenSideUp
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Yes indeed!  Soooooooooooo glad we're spending bazillions of FRNs in the ME so our presence will keep a big ugly war from happenin'!!!  What a swell job we're doing!!!

</sarc>

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 20:14 | 1281168 AurorusBorealus
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Um... 3 full blown Arab-Israeli wars, Iran-Iraq war, Iraq invasion of Kuwait, Desert Storm, 2nd U.S. war in Iraq.  I would say the the track record for peace in the region with the U.S. 5th fleet harbored at Bahrain has not been great.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:00 | 1279415 TheEmperor
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Shi'ite happens!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 11:57 | 1279416 jkruffin
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IRAN is all talk!!!! They are just like North Korea.  They just want some sanctions lifted or they make empty threats on little countries that only the U.S. cares about.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:32 | 1279575 legal eagle
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Big difference, Iran supports Hamas, Hezbollah, the Palastinian radicals, and has put Shiate instigators in every country where there is now an uprising.  The North Koreans, not so much.  They cant even feed their own population.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:17 | 1279500 Foul Ole Ron
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There will be no "Gulf States War" from this. This is just Iran having itself some fun by poking an Arab rival.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:59 | 1279708 High Plains Drifter
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actually the president of iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is jewish.

http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2009/10/mahmoud-ahmadinejads-jewis...

the man that started talking about this, Mehdi Khazali, is the son of a hard line cleric. needless to say, it would appear that he is not acting according to the script and his life has been hell ever since he put this info on his blog........seems he keeps getting arrested and thrown in the klink, and his father has disowned him....

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gZh5nA-UqSrrFj6etSWGb...

this is what happens when you get off of the reservation. you get punished. it is a warning to him perhaps, to stop talking about this subject and be a good little slave....

there is a small but strong jewish presense in iran that has been there since the days of the ancient persian kingdoms of old....

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.html

perhaps many jews converted to islam for one reason or another. who knows just how many are in the arab countries. probably a lot more than anyone will ever know.

i say all of this to say this. things are not always as they appear.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2318.cfm

among other things, it is quite apparent that the president of iran is also a freemason. this explains a lot of things. this man is not doing things that are in the best interest of the persian people. some of them are starting to catch on to the game too.....

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:43 | 1279864 MrSteve
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Do they have a pyramid with an eye at its apex on their currency?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:06 | 1279948 High Plains Drifter
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read the book of esther in the Biblical text. You will then understand what happened to the persians then and then you will also know their future in this time as well. esther is a warning to all who choose to see it and to all who choose to understand it. how that book got into the Biblical cannon is anyone's guess. But for those who are in touch with the realities of the truths inherent therein, then there is no guessing about what will happen to the persians, again.......

"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it"

winston churchill

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:31 | 1279558 Agent P
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Colgate?

/sarc

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:33 | 1279567 DonutBoy
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Thought experiment: Who will stop Iran visting all of it's oil-shipping neighbors with Shiite populations once they have a nuclear weapon? 

An interesting word coined by Charles Krauthammer - hyperproliferation.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1176995-2,00.html

I sympathize with the desire to pull-down the flag and come home, but it abandons the future to wild proliferation of WMD's by people inclined to use them.  Once we leave and Iran goes nuclear - are we going back?  Or do we cede Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt?

It's like the debt.  The problem doesn't go away because we pretend it's not there, it gets worse.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:47 | 1279657 blunderdog
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It's not clear what "problem" you're referring to.

Is the problem that the Arab states might want to control their own oil supplies for the benefit of the local population, and not leave the US in charge?

Or is it something like fear that Iran is going to conquer the region?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:47 | 1279879 I Told YOU So
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"Or do we cede Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt?"

 

Are you fucking nuts????? when were these countries annexed into the US.

 


Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:11 | 1280197 earnyermoney
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Your tax dollars provide the military umbrella for these countries. In exchange we get access to cheap oil with devalued dollars. Remove the umbrella we provide and you'll experience a new reality.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:56 | 1280133 notsomuch
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"Or do we cede Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt?"

 

Saudi Arabia sent 3,500 troops into Bahrain with all intentions to annex Bahrain into Saudi Arabia. Now, if SA really has nuclear-capable missiles courtesy of China, then it doesn't really matter whether our Fifth Fleet is in Bahrain. Gates was told by Saudi King Abdullah they were to part ways after KA watched the US throw Mubarak under the bus. Think about it.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:12 | 1279757 monkeys.pick.bottoms
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I know how it sounds but the American Fifth Fleet is probably the only thing that prevents a big ugly war in the region. So, folks, voting for Mr. Paul is voting for a war among believers in the religion of peace, so...

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:51 | 1279887 I Told YOU So
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again????????????????////

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1279911 Franken_Stein
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The U.S. has no right to deploy its army all over the world, especially when the country is bankrupt.

 

Imagine if China operated bases all over the planet.

If the U.S. has the right to do this, so have the Chinese.

It is nowhere written that the U.S. can do what others can't.

 

Tell me, who is more entitled to be the world leader, a nation of 300 million, or a nation of 1.3 billion ?

A nation of "American Idol" watchers, or a nation with a 4000 year history ?

 

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:41 | 1280073 RichardP
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In any group, the leader is the one who can convince others to help implement the ideas he is pushing.  China has a ways to go before they can convince othes to pay attention to their ideas over the ideas of the West.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:03 | 1279939 Laddie
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Very dangerous situation. The US never does what is in its own best interest, always does what the most powerful lobbies want, and in this case that is the WRONG SIDE.

“What would serve the Jew-hating world better as repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a nuclear winter? Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?”
–Professor David Perlmutter, writing in the Los Angeles Times, April 7, 2002

“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…We have the capability to take the world down with us, and I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”
–Martin Van Creveld, Israeli Historian

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1279963 Jim in MN
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Now ask yourself the question that no one ever, ever asks:

If you were in their shoes, why WOULDN'T you place suitcase nukes throughout the US and other key nations' cities?

Maybe that is the real briefing each incoming Prez gets......

People so often fail to even think of the obvious.  Note that I am not saying it's true, but once you think of it there is a certain compelling logic.

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:40 | 1280330 BigJim
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I wonder... such an action would directly kill many Jews, also.

And once the news leaked, and everyone knew who had nuked them, it would be open-season on Jews the world over. The race/religion would probably not survive... I doubt even the most crazed zionist would risk it.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:15 | 1279990 I Told YOU So
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and to think we've allowed these people to run OUR country (into the ground)

hopefully the 1 billion arabs that surround isra-hell can over run them and eat them all, wait they don't eat pig.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:48 | 1280607 Old Poor Richard
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Definitely bullish for Margin Hikes.

 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 18:51 | 1280956 KingdomKum
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Waiter,  more bacon please   .   .   .   

 

 

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