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A Higher Percentage of Americans Believed in King George During the Revolutionary War than Believe in Congress Today
Influential Harvard and Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig noted in a must-watch speech last week that polls show that only 11% of the American people have confidence in Congress.
He notes that more people believed in King George at the time of the Revolutionary War than believe in congress today.
He's right.
Historians have estimated that between 15 and 20% of the white population of the colonies were Loyalists
Watch:
Why do so few Americans today believe in our government? Because the government is serving the giant corporations and the ultra-wealthy, and not Main Street and the common American. And see this.
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I thought she was a virgin until she read Shake spear in the flesh.
God save the Queen.
that's because they had bigger problems (day to day struggles), and no interwebs.
Not too sure about any 18th century polling...
"He notes that more people believed in King George at the time of the Revolutionary War than believe in congress today."
Is there a point being made / inferred in this article somewhere?
Or is this another GW ill-informed pointless emotional rant?
TD, I'd really like to see nonsense articles like this kept off this site.
The POINT IS that Congressional approval is scraping bottom! Sound like a mandate to govern to you?
Yes, that's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.
So what? Who cares? What difference does it make?
What if Congress' approval rating went to ZERO? What difference would it make?
THEY DON'T FUCKING CARE. THEY DO WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT.
"mandate to govern "?
THEY DON'T FUCKING CARE. THEY LIED ENOUGH TO GET ELECTED. END OF STORY.
GW re-hashes shit everybody already knows, trying to boost hits on his pathetic blog full of this same irrelevant emotional bullshit.
GW plays people's emotions. That's his pathetic tactic. The very same pathetic tactic used by criminals in this fucking government. The very same pathetic tactic used to get Obummer elected. Playing people's emotions.
We don't want this irrelevant emotional bullshit on ZH. It belongs on Huffpost and similar emotional bullshit sites sheep love, not here on a site dedicated to RELEVANT FACTS, emphasis on RELEVANT.
GW is a FRAUD, plagiarizing ZH's popularity to promote his nonsense, even plagiarizing the name of one of America's Founders, a massive INSULT to that Founder GW claims to love so much.
"TD, I'd really like to see nonsense articles like this kept off this site."
Shhh...you should note my condenmation of "professors" garnered more junks than the outing of trolls & imbeciles...which should say something ;-)
I have every confidence that "the roll off the top of the page" will allow for more fun and frivolity should the need arise.
Trust is something earned, not given.
You should have told that to the Black Patriots. Or their descendents.
US, record holder in breaking treaties, this over a period of time of 225 years, compared to empires that last much longer.
Trust has to be earned, not given.
"Trust is something earned, not given."
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The lowest tactic for seeking to undermine any and every source trying to expose the nefarious actions of 9/11 is merely to drown-out such sources of information.
A very basic form of this tactic is to create your own, highly-visible persona, and then to broadcast, as loudly as possible, one utterly ridiculous rumor and conspiracy after another.
You bombard ZH with such crazy theories, trying to invent yourself as a “trusted poster” which other 9/11MORONs are fooled into treating as credible.
The tactic has been pathetically simple to see in other Propagandists/Liars like you.
Your method: ... arm yourself with some actual truth, to gain the trust, and continue to distribute a little truth to maintain your credibility.
Once accepted as an “insider” on ZH, duping both the hosts and viewers with your tactics, disinformation becomes as easy as taking the proverbial candy from a baby to continue, which is your fevered desire.
So please, do continue to try in your feeble minded way to earn trust on ZH .
I welcome every opportunity, you so willingly and often provide, to hammer home 9/11TRUTH and to use you, in your present incarnation as nmewn, as my Foolish Foil... My favorite...
9/11MORON ... BITCH!
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You will be back, under another pathetic guise... you're that fucking psychopathic.
Your current ID on ZH is toast.
"I welcome every opportunity, you so willingly and often provide, to hammer home 9/11TRUTH"
THIS SITE IS NOT THE PLACE FOR 9/11 TRUTH YOU MINDLESS MORON.
ZH is a FINANCIAL NEWS site, NOT a government conspiracy site. GOT IT?
ANY NUMBER of people here could spend ALL DAMN DAY talking about government LIES / FRAUD / CRIMINALITY / CONSPIRACIES / FALSE FLAG OPS / INSIDE JOBS / ETC.
But this ISN'T THE PLACE for all that stuff.
Go put that stuff on Alex Jones' site, Jeff Rense's site, Art Bell's site. There's PLENTY of 'em.
Why are you answering way down here on the thread...as if with one foot out the door in panic?
And even way down here, yours is a comment consisting of nothing, just like every one before it.
You hurl accusation's about as if merely accusing someone of anythingis fait accompli...well, it is not as I have already laid out before.
And I'll do it again.
Fallacy #1...You accuse me of being an acolyte of someone named Quinn, who you apparently have a raging hard on for. You throw his name about as if giving advertisement to it and his blog. You can't prove that I am, just as I can't prove that you are in fact not Quinn himself driving traffic to his blog. However, Tyler & staff knows what IP address I post from every time I comment just as they do yours. So the claim is baseless.
Fallacy #2...Indians killing indians, stealing their land and enslaving their captives...you will not touch a subject so near and dear to your heart with me...why would that be? Because it's not debate and the search for truth you really want, it's the promulgation of an agenda that drives you. The facts, of course, do great harm to your agenda and myth making, so you let it slide off the table.
Fallacy #3...911 trutherism. When I question ones credibility I don't do so lightly. And when I ask for some accountability for all the yellow journalism and crackpot theories that have come and gone I don't do so lightly.
Where are all those who supported these 911 moonbat theories now? They are not here to help you now are they?...it's just you and me...it's one thing to put forward a "theory" and call it a theory but when the evidence fails to support it a creditable and accountable author will say...ummm, about that, I was wrong.
They didn't...so I did.
I've proven my point, you're a paranoid, draft dodging nut case, sitting around smoking crack and typing away furiously inside some non-descript house in the suburbs of Vancouver still trying to wrap his head around reality as presented to him.
prob. this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIQLIx2Onw
ROTFL...you do realize his head will explode when he sees any mention of the name Quinn don't y...
Oh...LOL.
"In contrast, Britain, the evil colonial power, not only ultimately abolished slavery in its own possessions but fought slavery worldwide, maintaining costly naval blockades of the African coast year-round and pursuing slave ships on the high seas, freeing captured Africans."
Now, I'm no Anglophobe- I did root for Perfidious Albion during her glorious little adventure down to the Falklands a few years back- but to put them up on a pedestal of moral rectitude is just plain silly. Ask the Boers, the Indians. Well into the 20th century Britian had a robust Empire based on keeping the local wogs in their place.
It's in the history books, it's probably even on the web somewhere.
You dont even have to do that. US citizens simply scored lower on the freedom scale than Perfidious Albion.
Bring it down as lower as you wish, you'll find the US lower than King George.
Some claim that the British are the ones pulling Obamatron's strings...
"Why Steal Less when you can Steal More?"
Wall Street Mantra, 2011
If you kill their "Sacred cow" they will shshshshshshununnnnnnnnnnn...... the none believer.
I have to asked, what evidence could be presented that would change "their minds"? Theirs is, the very definition of a closed mind.
"Ordinary colonists were forced to join the Revolution by a campaign of systematic terror..."
What if a guy was just bored by idiots? Does that make open revolt okay? I sure hope so.
GW...one slight quibble...
"He notes that more people believed in King George at the time of the Revolutionary War than believe in congress today."
Help me out here GW, I don't know what the term "believe in" means when comparing people and institutions I guess.
Properly shouldn't it be "approve of" King George or congress and "believe in" this or that framework of freedom and governance for the people?
I'll admit I had the same reservation. Sorta like "believe in" Santa Claus.
"Sorta like "believe in" Santa Claus."
Plenty of ameriKlan adults, some of them avid bloggers on ZH, believe in Santa Osama and his Merry band of 19 Jihadist elves performed Magic on the special day 10 years ago.
New_Meat in Cpl Hicks:
Aw... Come on! Crack and all that CIA imported synthetic shit is mostly for USSA sluts and MORONS.
If U'Alls only had had some organic, mountain grown, hand picked BCBud instead of what you crank into yourselves you would be much better off mentally.
Since I cannot send you some of last years crop, here is something else to put into your dirty little pipes and smoke.
The Complete Idiot's Guide to the New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA&feature=fvwrel
No need to even read for comprehension... it is short and easy.
BC bud, my friend? You and me are probably close to being neighbors, what with me residing in the upper left corner of the Great American Left Coast. It's the thought that counts but, no thanks, the strongest stuff I use these days is Starbucks' Verona Bold.
I did watch the video and enjoyed it, really. The score was excellent, moody pianos and swooping strings. Anything that can bring Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Glenn Beck together to make an argument is worth watching. The Bilderberg Group and it's membership lists have been well covered and discussed over the past year at ZH and the whole concept of TPTB needs increased attention.
<soft voice> dude? dude. put ... down ... the ... crack ... pipe. Thats a good DP.
Sweeet!
I heard it, in my minds ear, I tell you, just like we were all in the same big room.
Hey Hicks & Meat .. We can see what Pierre's intellectual body looks like at the end as he follows David Lee into the abyss. No wonder his incoherent ramblings have no meat to them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYcdGhTqOUE
Pierre, I suggest if you were a real Ganja Babe you would focus on cooking some real chow in that pot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYzlQ4tVUXA
And stop concerning yourself with what you would like to see on TV, or being seen on TV with that syringe clasped firmly between your lipps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebWk9pBXSso
If you're gonna grow, try growing yourself, then concern yourself with the sage & sour (and try to remember, posting pics of your grow op on Facebook is dumber than most comments on the YaHoo boards ... which is where I suggest you go to get some seasoning) You are a waste of good peri peri at present dude.
Ya, General Chao just gave you the slip
As you can see I've been busy...squire nmewn's Babe Ruth baseball tryouts & practice's ;-)
Yeah...I put it more on the "college professor" than anyone else.
I'm weird about those who would claim some sort of higher societal stature or position because they can wave around a piece of paper (given for time of attendance apparently) that cites themselves as being one of the brightest bulbs in any room they happen to enter.
Prolly just me though...it's all working out just swimmingly listening to them so far eh? ;-)
it's also true that more Americans were in favor of invading Iraq in 2003 than were in favor of the US becoming involved in WWII. War is lot more interesting on television than CSPAN.
In 1995 I developed an elegant soluton that would effectively restore the dependency of the Congress on the people to greater degree than any legislature in any land before or since.
In a nutshell, when Congress votes, we all vote. The vote of our representative counts for only as many votes as those who chose to not vote. The rest of our votes would count however we actually voted. If there were a total of 200 million eligible to vote, then the a tally might be 110 million to 90 million.
I fully develop this concept in this article I wrote in 1995:
http://www.endofinnocence.com/2010/06/representation-amendment.html.
Umm, you do know what the Tyranny of the Majority means, correct?
Now that's novel. I'll have to take some more time to look at that.
The founding fathers might have taken that up had they known the country would become what it has: Fat, lazy, bought, and overpopulated.
I really don't see the point in argueing the fine points of who is a communist or a socialist or a fascist - they are all people who think they should be able to steal from you. Lump them in with all the other thieves.
There are probably more people who believe dinosaurs and people.coexisted peacefully when the world was magically created 6000 years ago.
More falacy of equivocation from the lunatic who sees no difference between the parties. How is that Mother Jones thang working for you, George? Any more Communist rags you would like to recommend?
What exactly is the difference you speak of?
"Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemy."
Hermann Goering
When I quote World Net Daily and other conservative sources (about 50% of the time), will you criticize me as being too right wing?
I will stop criticizing when you understand the difference between those who work for a living in the private/productive sector and those who get their revenue at the point of a gun. The essence of government is force, and we have far too much force and abuse of power at all levels of government.
There is no consent of the governed, the social contract is dead, but the urban elites are doing their best to hide the truth. That's why you are increasingly irrelevant to any serious discussion of where the country is, and where it's going.
+1 kaiserhoff:
We must form a new civilization with non-aggression as its unifying principle, instead of the initiation of force by a "legal" monopoly of "government service" providers (security/enforcement and adjudication/arbitration). A non-monopoly free market of these key services is the perfect way to express your preferences for those services. You always win your "election" that way. The service provider must earn your "vote", and every other customer's "vote" every day of the year, and if they do not they are out of a job much quicker than any politician would be. This way we the people always and forever keep the key "power of the purse" for all time. Any time you give a political system the "power to lay and collect taxes" you have already lost your freedom and are on the road to total slavery!
Voluntarism is a win - win situation for everyone. Statism is on its way out as a proven recipe for theft, fraud, and violence. It always has been, and always will be that because it is founded on a proposition contradictory to the the central principle of non-parasitic people: no initiation, or first use of force against those who justly posses life, liberty and property.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P772Eb63qIY&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rvMwSlAu0&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKyutB3u2bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IRbwpc2XV4&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLCEXtpTNYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux4.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNzxthcTJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBD6v8g1F4
http://www.libertarianstandard.com/articles/david-j-heinrich/justice-for...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzyogKiXhEA
http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm
http://mises.org/journals/jls/1_2/1_2_1.pdf
A new civilization started on what? On the loot amassed by state governments?
Thinking in the West has grown extremelly empty since the US has taken wings.
Friend:
Here is how you start. You surround yourself and associate with people who agree that the initiation of force is criminal and thus you understand the flaw with all "governments". You teach your children this way and keep them away from the state schools. You educate others.
The hatred (by the non-parasitic) and dissatisfaction with our present system is of such magnitude, that things must change and when people see how powerful they are as a group the way the middle east societies are now doing, this will be inevitable. How it changes will be up to us, the people. No we don't start from the loot stolen by government. I don't think you even tried to digest the links that were provide for your benefit above. Did you?
+1 for this and +1 for Voluntaryism
Initiation of force is criminal? How so?
Any human use force to meet their needs. Force...
No, I read nothing of the links because I suspect what they contain is drivel (based on previous experience)
It seems you want to play with words, so I will give you more simple words and see if you want to play with those.
The first use of force by one person against another is at issue here. Trying to build a civilization is what we are talking about. Did you mother teach you not to take what doesn't belong to you? Did she teach you to not start hitting people who rightfully have something you want? That this is a very bad way to get those things? Or are these concepts beyond your comprehension?
They are beyond comprehension. They mean nothing as property, rightfully is socially construed.
Bad way? Well, it made the US rich. How is this bad? Where do you start from? From the loot accumulated by your so called initiation of force?
All this is just drivel and a normal consequence of erosion of efficiency of a behaviour.
When you start low and rob your way up to the top, where you own 80pc of what it is possibly possessed, it is a normal behaviour to discredit theft as a way to achieve success.
All the thinkers you listed were extremelly duplicitous on this little aspect. Just con artists.
Hi again:
Since you are not willing to follow the links given there isn't much point in me putting much effort into this. Your assumptions as to what these links contain, are of course yours to live with, as are the consequences of such a strategy in the context of your currently held ideas and beliefs.
Are you arguing that might makes right?
I can agree with your sentence: "When you start low and rob your way up to the top, where you own 80pc of what it is possibly possessed, it is a normal behaviour to discredit theft as a way to achieve success."
I don't think you appreciate what a true free market in adjudication would entail. If you (and/or a group of people) can hire and show any adjudication service provider that you were robbed, you are entitled to attempt to receive adjudication through whatever ways that service provider offers and thus possibly gain restitution in such a system. Yes there has been much wealth stolen by some people of the United States in its history! You can expect as much since the system itself is founded on theft. So your position is that since some people who appear well off are in possession of criminal booty that needs to be returned to its rightful owners that there is no such thing as private property?
Assuming your mother loved you and wanted you to have a somewhat productive life she was able to convince you there is such a thing as right and wrong. Do you agree there is such a thing as right and wrong? If not, I will save myself a lot of time and just avoid coming in contact with you and also being prepared to defend myself should you decide to try to take from me what I think is mine. Does that make any sense to you?
Yes, property is a concept that exists in context of people and in that sense you might say "socially constructed" however:
Please tell me if you own your body? Is it your "private property"? If it is, then what is so hard about the idea of private property? Does this have no meaning to you? If you can't see there is such a thing then it seems to me you ought to remain silent. For how can you use your fingers to post a message if your fingers are not "yours" to use in the first place? Do you not contradict yourself by your very act of posting to this thread by apparently challenging the very idea of ownership? Are your fingers "yours" or aren't they? So do you say there is no private property? Am I just as entitled to the use of your fingers if I can force you (by whatever means) to do what I want you to do with them?
My assumptions are based on experience. I know the lines of thought that your thinkers convey. It is poor. I've chosen (for your examples) not to spend time (again as I did in the past) because it will be a waste of time.
Self ownership drivel: you know when self ownership drivel appeared? It appeared when a guy sitting in the back row raised his hand and asked 'but what about people starting with no capital?' Because all the thesis was biased in favour of people starting with a capital. To fill the gap, your dear thinkers simply invented the concept of owning yourself, of being your own capital. This way, everyone had a capital to start with. Stupid and simply to conceal one of their thesis' many flaws.
I dont own myself. I dont own my body. I am myself. I am my body. Always been the case. That is called identity. I am identitical to mysel and the only person in the world to fill the bill. My body is not property neither for me nor another person.
That's all.
There is nothing like a productive life, especially with the US driven world order. There are only consumptive lifes. Lifes that consume more or less of their environment.
That's all.
Etc...