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Highway To The Fukushima Zone: First Person Trek Through A Radioactive Wasteland

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An intrepid Japanese duo has decided to do the reverse Fukushima commute and in a stunning filmed expose, drives through cracked roads, herds of animals in city streets and ghost towns to measure the radiation from 30 km out to 1.5 km away from Fukushima, where it hits 112 microsieverts, or roughly 350 times normal radiation. But don't worry. Everything is still under the recently updgraded (twice) legal limit.... for those clad in lead armor.

 

h/t Sudden Debt

 

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Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:52 | 1149603 AN0NYM0US
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Highway to hell

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:15 | 1149628 Ident 7777 economy
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Hmmm ... 112 microS/hr 1.5 km from the plant ...

 

If one were good, one could interpolate that back to the levels on the ground at Daiichi (using, perhaps, the 'inverse sqare law') ...

 

With a little bit of scratching, I found:

Flying at 35,000 feet typically exposes you to about 6 microSieverts (that's 6 millionths of a Sievert) per hour  - http://www.solarstorms.org/FAAAirlines.html

 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:17 | 1149686 Jim in MN
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Sorry bud, no calcs above 1,000 allowed. 

But this goes to 11,000--

Zip it!  Zip!  Zzzt!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:29 | 1149712 Ident 7777 economy
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LOL ...

 

Side note: Calcs - or measurements?

 

Calcs can be made without limits (well, limited by the exponential limits of one's calculator or floating point library in FORTRAN or C unless one uses pencil and paper or the blackboard), measurements, of course, not so much ...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:32 | 1149739 Agent P
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Or the three digits in CAPTCHA (which sometimes means two).

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:40 | 1150070 Harlequin001
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yes but you have to admit, it's still very bullish...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:29 | 1150313 jus_lite_reading
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WARNING!! CESIUM 137 FOUND IN CALIFORNIA STRAWBERRIES AND MUSHROOMS!!!

http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/2011/04/ding-dong-ding-silver-tops-40-oil....

TIME TO BUY A GREENHOUSE AND GROW YOUR OWN SHIT!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:16 | 1150499 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Building a Faraday Cage would be a better idea .

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:32 | 1150535 Ident 7777 economy
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So, you only want to shield Faradays?

Seriously, the much-hyped 'Faraday shield' or cage is an E-field (Electric field) only shield; the 'M' (magnetic) portion may still propagate ...

Faraday shield as used in electronics

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:38 | 1150569 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Ok-lead venetian blinds and 2 hours of sunshine per day or else grow mushrooms.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 16:57 | 1151441 1fortheroad
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But the faraday cage is for my laptop, O fuk me there wont be any internet

or power. Nevermind back to the greenhouse.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 17:49 | 1151714 indio007
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I floated this idea on PhysicsForum. According to them it won't work.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 17:31 | 1151644 chumbawamba
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OMG.  Ergo, it must have come from Japan!

This is conclusion jumping.  We're only now seeing radiation in the food supply because we're looking.  I'll bet you a silver Eagle the readings would be like that in produce across California, probably shocking amounts in some cases.  Who knows how many dirty contractors were employed over the years to make hot soil disappear.  I'm sure it happens less than it used to, but I would bet that kind of practice still goes on today.

Did it come from Japan?  Who knows.  It could have.  But it's more likely to have come from any number of sources.

Get a hold of yourself.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:17 | 1149959 TuffsNotEnuff
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The IAEA limit is 5,700 nanoSieverts/hour. ( = 35,000,000 nanoSieverts/year = 5 REM/year.)

If they came in from Niigata, to the west, the max out there is running 41 nanoSieverts/hour background radiation. From the north it's 28. From the south, about 400 (which is falling from about 1100 two weeks ago.)

112 microSieverts/hour = 112,000 nanoSieverts/hour.

And finally, the "Normal" background rad range peaks at 100 nanoSieverts/hour. Away from ports and electronic manufacturing, an average background rad level at 20 nanoSieverts/hour wouldn't surprise anyone.

Tokyo is showing 50-to-93 nanoSieverts/hour background rad readings.

The 7.3 earthquake is Japan's top story. That's one helluvan earthquake. Stronger than what leveled Haiti. One talking-head guess is that these after-shocks will delay reconstruction for a year. Not sure anybody over there wants to rebuild that coastal area -- ever.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:21 | 1149981 Ident 7777 economy
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With that in mind, here's a map Jim in Mn posted below with readings from around Japan:

http://japan.failedrobot.com/

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:51 | 1150620 Kobe Beef
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Thank You Jim in Mn & Ident.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:41 | 1150071 TuffsNotEnuff
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I think these guys get the 112 microSievert/hour reading at the edge of the debris field from the tsunami.

Helluva bath tub ring...................

We can hope it's mostly iodine. Short half-life and all. The Japanese need a break.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:03 | 1150172 Ident 7777 economy
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That would be my question - what species is doing the 'emitting' ... throughout the area that video toured ...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:31 | 1150316 Thorny Xi
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At the source, about 150,000uS/hour, 0.1 S/h, maybe, using IS law, some algebra and a pencil. Never trust math posts done with a pencil, though.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:41 | 1150573 Triggernometry
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Not inverse square, use power law just like sound emanating from a source; still just an approximation, but using an exponent of 2 is inherently off in a 3D system.

Try chalk instead of pencil, it commands respect.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:29 | 1150754 Ident 7777 economy
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but using an exponent of 2 is inherently off in a 3D system.

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If affectation were to be the volume of that 3D system .. yes.

The affectation here is to an X by Y surface (defining an area), ostensibly the meter's test aperture/opening where the 'rays' under consideration make entry to whatever sensor is used ... the meter observes an X by Y area so many feet back from a source, which, incidentally, is not a point source, but many sources ... the IS law would only work as a crude approximation, falling off in usefulness as one approaches the plant and the many 'point' sources ...

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:01 | 1154618 Deliverator
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The assumption that the field measured is emanating from a point source is false.

Radioactive debris was scattered all over the area, most likely from the Tsunami, explosions, and pressure releases. The field is likely to be much more uniform, increasing as one approaches the plant, but there is simply not enough information available to make anything like an informed guess as to what the field would be in the 500 or so metres surrounding the plant.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:11 | 1150667 goldfish1
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Sun, 04/10/2011 - 05:55 | 1154615 Deliverator
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I used to work in an accelerator facility producing medical radioisotopes. We weren't too concerned working in fields of 112uSv/hr (11.2 mR for you old-schoolers), but then we wouldn't be a field like that for anything like 24/7, either.

If it's that hot, that far from the plant, I'm thinking that's one serious, serious mess they have going on there.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:34 | 1149748 Eternal Student
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And on that highway to hell, a Japanese tourist with a camera is doing a heck of a better job than an American Corporate "Journalist".

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:20 | 1150246 TruthInSunshine
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I posted this way down on this thread, but for those interested, here is a link to the Areva 33 page report that Gundersen based much of his analysis on:

http://www.fairewinds.com/sites/default/files/AREVA%20Fukushima.pdf

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:54 | 1150638 WTFisThat
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Surplice, 33 pages long ...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:39 | 1150072 johnQpublic
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no way i could keep driving throught that with the detectors going off like that

 

small peni, but gigantic balls

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:22 | 1150262 Antarctico
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Giant balls, indeed.  I was on the edge of my office chair watching this thinking what it would take to get me to do this.  It wasn't a long list, but it included using a rental car, wearing one of those goofy disposable Tyvek suits, and using a respirator.  These guys really manned up doing this in a Prius and street clothes.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 11:47 | 1153241 TuffsNotEnuff
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For most of the trip they're between 800 to 3,000 nanoSieverts/hour. (nanoGrays/hour is the SPEEDI unit, so translating to nano- makes sense. Most normal background rads go 20-to-100 nanoGrays/hour so it is convenient for public information. Gray and Sievert are interchangeable for this application.)

5,700 nanoSieverts/hour totals to the 5 REM annual limit if you're outside 24/7/365.

However... not wearing a N99 or N100 mask wasn't "balls." It was crazy stupid. Getting cesium into your lungs, not a good idea.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:48 | 1150111 Manthong
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Like scenes out of Omega Man, just missing Charlton Heston and the zombies.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:11 | 1150205 Antarctico
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Like scenes out of Omega Man, just missing Charlton Heston and the zombies.

Hell yea, but don't forget his "free" convertible cars and his submachine gun.  Omega Man was one of my favorite movies when I was little.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:14 | 1150213 Ricky Bobby
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If it was the US, you would see the zombies. I find it amazing that their citizens have the freedom to do this. Here it would be martial law, looting, police gone wild, robbery, violence, and mahem. Just think Katrina on steroids.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:22 | 1150270 patb
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Give it a month.  Mutated Bird Flu could easily cause the "Dead" to walk.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:55 | 1149611 Seasmoke
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end of the world type stuff......amazing, sad, scary, angry

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:33 | 1150044 Paul Bogdanich
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"end of the world type stuff"

 

Really.  Pretty bad.  All damaged nobody working on it or cleaning it up.  Just empty.  That place will be a real tourist attraction in 20 or 30 years after it gets some age on it and the packs of dogs are nice and feral.      

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:58 | 1149617 trav7777
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KidofSpeed Part 2

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:23 | 1149710 SteveNYC
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KidofSpeed was fascinating, highly recommended to all those who have not yet seen the pictures/read the story.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:40 | 1149783 whatsinaname
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A better link to kidofspeed is www.elenafilatova.org (or.com)

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:32 | 1150034 antisoshal
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Kid Of Speed was also a hoax. I thought that was pretty common knowledge now. She admitted it after a while, then removed the admission. The photos were taken during a tour and the story was made up. Interesting facts about the area, but otherwise just the usual internet hoax...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:03 | 1150451 TerraHertz
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WRONG. For starters, spend some time on her site. She has taken multiple, long roadbike tours through the zone over the years, with many photos and commentaries. Her photostudies of small farming communities, houses etc decaying away are very haunting.

Then there's her other pursuits, in other parts of her site. Serpent's Wall, and exploring old WWII bunkers. Trailbiking around historic WWII battlefields and digging up relics. Details of her dad - retired nuclear ..hmm I forget that detail, think it was nuclear bio-safety studies or something like that.

When you actually read her exploits, it's clear as day that she is exactly the kind of person who *would* do solo bike tours of the Dead Zone.

Also, I've emailed with her on related topics - she's the real deal.

And her DVD sets of Chernobyl photos and videos (hers and historic ones she has collected) are well worth the burn & post price she charges.

The stuff about her being fake, is itself a fake rumor that was put out by State sources, attempting to discredit her. She's talked about that too in the past, not sure if it's still somewhere on her extensive web site.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:17 | 1150503 WaterWings
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Nice post.

The "usual internet hoax" - as if. In the Age of Google the guy doesn't even post a link. FAIL.

Around May 16, 2004, Filatova posted to her website that she was "being accused that it was more poetry in this story then [sic] reality. I partly accept this accusation, it still was more reality then [sic] poetry"; by May 24 she had removed the note.[4] On the first page of her KiddofSpeed website there is a dialog embedded by the owner of her host server pointing out that regardless of whether or not "poetic license" was taken, the site serves to "remember a forgotten region".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Filatova

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There is "big money" promised to be made in the atomic energy industry. Just 1 kg (2.2 pounds) of refined uranium would produce about the same amount of energy as 50 freight cars fully loaded with coal (3,000 tons). Refined uranium, therefore, has nearly a 3 million to one advantage in shipping weight compared to coal. This naturally attracts powerful, big-money political and business interests who do not give a damn about the safety of reactors and health of people. Their only concern is driving profit with milking a cow, so they put it into harness, urge it with the whip and milk it without limit, .. the outcome is always the same - instead of milk they are squeezing out blood.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:54 | 1150591 Ident 7777 economy
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Kid Of Speed hoax  <----Getting a lot of hits on a Google search for

 

Example:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2004/05/fraud-exposed-and-true-thing.asp

Excerpt:

I am based in Kyiv and writing a book about Chornobyl for the Joseph Henry Press. Several sources have sent me links to the "Ghost Town" photo essay included in the last e-POSHTA mailing. Though it was full of factual errors, I did find the notion of lone young woman riding her motorcycle through the evacuated Zone of Alienation to be intriguing and asked about it when I visited there two days ago.

I am sorry to report that much of Elena's story is not true. She did not travel around the zone by herself on a motorcycle. Motorcycles are banned in the zone, as is wandering around alone, without an escort from the zone administration. She made one trip there with her husband and a friend. They traveled in a Chornobyl car that picked them up in Kyiv.

She did, however, bring a motorcycle helmet. They organized their trip through a Kyiv travel agency and the administration of the Chornobyl zone (and not her father). They were given the same standard excursion that most Chernobyl tourists receive. When the Web site appeared, Zone Administration personnel were in an uproar over who approved a motorcycle trip in the zone. When it turned out that the motorcycle story was an invention, they were even less pleased about this fantasy Web site.

 

 

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Filatova

The photos are arranged in the form of a story presented as an account of a trip by a biker who travelled alone in the radiation zone. However, Chernobyl tour guide Yuri Tatarchuk claimed that Filatova "booked a tour, wore a leather biker jacket and posed for pictures."

Around May 16, 2004, Filatova posted to her website that she was "being accused that it was more poetry in this story then [sic] reality. I partly accept this accusation, it still was more reality then [sic] poetry"; by May 24 she had removed the note. On the first page of her KiddofSpeed website there is a dialog embedded by the owner of her host server pointing out that regardless of whether or not "poetic license" was taken, the site serves to "remember a forgotten region".

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:22 | 1150739 WaterWings
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Hi, Mr. Sockpuppet!

He said, she said. Some writer for the NY Times reports,

billed as a tale ''where one can ride with no stoplights, no police, no danger to hit some cage or some dog,'' was a sensation, duping uncountable viewers before being discredited. 

Like Krugman we're supposed to take his word for it rather than getting more details. Does going on a tour change the 1,000 words we get from each of her photos? Did she ride her motorcycle to the tour; wearing her jacket. Ooooooh, then she posed for photos! Hoax! Do hoaxes regularly include radiated landscapes were humans refuse to live to avoid long-term effects?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:33 | 1150789 Ident 7777 economy
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I cited sources ... there is a name to go with one of those sources, to wit, the Chernobyl tour guide who spilled the beans on 'the kid of speed'.

What's your beef with cited sources and eye witnesses?

You don't like the truth?

Truth interfering with a business model involving fear, and EOTW 'planning' for Berekey water filters, canned 10-year lifetime ham and assorted veggies -

- or water wings?

 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:49 | 1150847 WaterWings
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Is that all you've got? LOL. You forgot to mention gunz and ammoes.

You call this a credible source?

If you had actually taken the time to look at the photos you would see much evidence of motocycle riding and geiger readings. And how do "authorities" block off that entire zone anyway? Do they have guards posted on every road to protect people from wandering in? It's huge! Calling it a hoax is lazy and dishonest in itself.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 19:49 | 1152018 Ident 7777 economy
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Is that all you've got?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

All  it took was one Einstein to prove the theory of Relativity ... against a much larger group who said he was wrong - who won that fight?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:39 | 1152549 msamour
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At the risk of seeming to take sides here i'd like to offer this little bit of reflection. While it is possible that she did lie, it is also possible that other people are compelled, or coerced into "debunking" her story because of the implications it has. After all, technically, no one is allowed to go in that area, so the authorities would have a hard time explaining why she was there.

 

Another thing to note, It is easy to go places when you are driving a motorcycle because obstacles can easily be gone around, and some road that may be impassibe to cars, may not present the sam problem to motorbikes, which are more manouvreable. My last point would be, unless you interview the party that is countering her version of the story yourself, as in you have the person skin and bone and fron of you, and that you are able to determine this person's vested interest as to why he is telling you what he is. His version of the story is just as much of a lie than hers might be. The reality is that you do not hold agency on the thruth no more than a proponant of this girl that claims to have ridden the forbidden zone.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 16:13 | 1151192 Lord Koos
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Her first trip into the area, her photos show some photoshopping where she insterts herself into the image... which she admits... however, she was there.  After that, she did take more trips. both solo and with her dad, and she properly documented them.  It is not a hoax.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 02:30 | 1152908 TerraHertz
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Motorcycles are banned in the zone, as is wandering around alone, without an escort from the zone administration.

Ha ha ha! .... Ha aha...oh god this is funny. And you are quoting this shit as if it's meaningful! Hellooooooo?

Hey, I have photos of myself in places where 'no one is allowed to go' too. Does that mean the photos are faked? No, it means I didn't ask permission, and didn't check in at the gatehouse or wherever. It's a hobby that is quite common worldwide, known as Urbex.

It's true that none of the places I've 'visited' were radioactive, but that's mostly because I 'm lucky enough to live where there are none.

The very best irony of your post, is that it's in a thread started with a video of some Japanese dudes driving around freely in another 'dead zone' where they are very likely not supposed to be. Did you miss the obvious proof that it's easy to visit such places, by their very nature? (Almost no one there.)

Next you quote from Chernobyl official tour guides, as if they'd never lie about someone who routinely gives herself unofficial, unguided, FREE tours of the huge area the officials would rather no one but paying customers saw, and only the bits they want seen at that.

Also, you've clearly never actually browsed through Elena's site, since you don't seem to realise that all this talk about 'one official tour, with her husband' falls flat on its face when confronted with the wealth of photos of obscure, long forgotten sites through the zone, that are definitely not on any offical tour.

You completely neglect the #1 reason why officialdom and their legions of nay-saying sock puppets would be running a character assasination program against her - because she's strongly anti-nuclear, writes captivatingly, and has a huge pile of photo material to illustrate her talks on the heartbreak and tragedy of the Chernobyl disaster. She's a voice of Truth, and we all KNOW how they get treated by The State Profit Machine.

Yet it doesn't occur to you that your position just makes you look silly?

 

It's a strange feeling to see the Japanese video. Very reminiscent in mood of places in the Zone, but with two differences: there hasn't been 30 years of weathering and decay, but there IS a huge amount of immediate damage in places from the earthquake and tsunami. The torn-up places are going to be incredibly haunting after a few decades of regrowth and erosion have been overlaid on the wreckage. Those places won't be cleaned up for centuries. Possibly ever, if the question of how our impending complexity/energy collapse is answered in an unpleasant way.

 

Slightly related: I highly recommend seeing the movie 'Stalker'. (Russian: ???????) is a 1979 science fiction film directed by Andrei Tarkovsky, with a screenplay written by Boris and Arkady Strugatsky, loosely based on their novel Roadside Picnic.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:35 | 1150798 SteveNYC
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Haunting yet beautiful. Watching nature simply reclaim what is hers, watching everything simply transform, morph, boast its impermanence, can be quite peaceful and yield real depths of joy.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:43 | 1152704 slewie the pi-rat
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hey THz @ #1150451:  for an old luddite hangin out in a pirate cove, this is a great read.  all you folks!  i recall your hobby of walking and exploring places, yourself, THz, and i can imagine how you enjoyed whatever you REALly encountered, online.  you.  as in subject. 

in a web of disinfo and diabolical motivations, and in the light of the tragedy aound Fuk_u, in human terms, us included, unfortunately, a bit or more, this is a truly heartwarming string of peeps and their bytes.  no bad guy(s)!  internet artists, including the object of your attentions, and honesty all around, from what i see. 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 15:39 | 1151027 samsara
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Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:22 | 1149711 samsara
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That's what I was thinking.

In Case someone doesn't know the reference.

Here's a similar Trek on a bike ride thru Chernobyl

<< note at bottom of each page, is a link to next page>>

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-land-of-the-wolves

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:53 | 1149830 ReeferMac
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Thanks for sharing the links.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:00 | 1149619 Arch Duke Ferdinand
Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:01 | 1149634 Ident 7777 economy
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Fukushima Radioactivity Dwarfs Chernoybl...

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At 112 uS/hr 1.5 km from the plant?

Does that compare to Chernoybl?

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:48 | 1149812 tmosley
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Direction matters.  I'd like to see the numbers for someone trying this on a ship.  That is, if it didn't kill them before they got to where they could see it over the horizon.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:55 | 1149831 Ident 7777 economy
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True ... but I'm thinking contamination that is line-of-sight to their meter should show the gamma being radiated ...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:11 | 1150475 tmosley
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The gamma is off and on, from what I understand, and is only coming out of holes in the reactor, so it appears as a beam.  God help anyone hit by one. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:03 | 1152748 slewie the pi-rat
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7777 @ 1149634:  worse than chernobyl?  yes,  according to the Areva spokesperson who presented their paper to the vetted group of nuclear engineers.  he calls it the the worst disaster of modern day, or something.  arnie's got it,  admittedly as "hearsay" on his april 6th vimeo.  here's his homepage: Fairewinds Associates, Inc | Leveling the Playing Field

this is 4-6 reactors, 4-6 problematic spent fuel pools in the reactors, and another huge  full of spent fuel on site.  4 of the reacots are now known to have reached temperatures quite easily high enuf to cause rampamt de-cladding and volitization of cores and spent fuel.  the ocean, the jet stream, Jim in MN's ideas about the cesium, the closeness to tokyo, and the ongoing total site uncontrolability, yep.  actually, it was almost certainly past chernobyl on the first day or certainly throughthe first explosions (due to hydrogen from decladding?) of the 4, given the lack of coolant to the cores and spent pools.  multiples of the amount of stuff that went bloooie in chernobyl.  same vaporization process, only slower, maybe. 

i know you are a student of chernobyl, but please consider the facts, here, ok?  thank you.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:02 | 1150164 Manthong
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I didn't notice any bention of those nice La Nina trades that bring warm east Asia air.. or is that a hot Fukushima breeze?  :)

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:00 | 1149620 bingaling
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when the geiger counter starts going nuts thats scary - wish I spoke japanese to understand what they are saying

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:05 | 1149642 Cone of Uncertainty
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I think I'm radiated.

I think I'm radiated.

I think I'm radiated.

I really think so.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:23 | 1149706 fuu
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I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning japanese, I've started glowing.

I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, a third arm is growing.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:41 | 1149773 Mercury
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Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:58 | 1149623 kjj
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per hour.  112 microsieverts per hour.

 

If you read a story about a car and the author doesn't understand the difference between the speedometer and the odometer, you'd ridicule him.  But for some reason, when the story is about radiation, no one notices the difference between the accumulated dose and the dose rate.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:14 | 1149662 Tyler Durden
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Actually the measurement metric is pretty obvious to pretty much all.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:36 | 1149759 kjj
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If it is so obvious, why does no one take the extra second to make sure they get it right?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:18 | 1149793 Mercury
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Using 250 millisieverts as the very lower bound of the threshold where humans start to get sick/damaged from radiation, my back-of-the envelope calculations say at an exposure rate of112 microsieverts/hour it would take approx. 93 days to absorb 250 millisieverts of radiation.

So, certainly not bullish for local RE values.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:46 | 1150834 UrbanBard
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Much depends on whether the radiation will be decreasing. If the majority of the radiation is from Xenon, then there will be a major decrease in less than a month because Xenon’s half life is 8 days and 5 half lives returns to normal background radiation.. If the radiation is from Cesium then it will take 150 years to decay. 

 

One thing to remember is how rapidly the radiation increased after you got within 2 kilometers.

At 2.5 Km the indicator showed   7.85 microSv/hr -- This means .188 MilliSv per day or 1827 days before you show signs of radiation

At 1.8 Km the indicator showed   11.1 microSv/hr -- This means .266 MilliSv per day or 938 days before you show signs of radiation.

At 1.7 Km the indicator showed  94.2 microSv/hr -- This means 2.26 MilliSv per day or 110 days before you show signs of radiation

At 1.6 Km the indicator showed 106  microSv/hr -- This means 2.54 MilliSv per day or 96 days before you show signs of radiation

At 1.5 Km the indicator showed 112  microSv/hr -- This means 2.69 MilliSv per day or 92.9 days before you show signs of radiation

 

Some rational person could buy up local houses at bargain basement prices and wait a few years to move in.

 

 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 19:53 | 1152065 Ident 7777 economy
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At 2.5 Km the indicator showed 7.85 microSv/hr -- This means .188 MilliSv per day or 1827 days before you show signs of radiation

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That value is on the order of that seen while flying at the higher altitudes; of course, one doesn't fly continuously nor should one be in the evac zone continuously either ...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:14 | 1152766 slewie the pi-rat
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look, 7777:  you've been around pretty much the whole time.  if you don't yet have a sense for the madnitude of this disaster, yet, i guess that just hasta be ok.  but we're not overreacting, you are under-reacting.  you don't GET the "measure" of fuk_u.

that's about all yer posts do, man.  give yerself a rest, ok?  check it out, again, please.  you need to stop, if you are able, ok? 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 23:58 | 1160472 UrbanBard
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Part of my point is that these radiation levels are temporary as the Xenon decays..

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:16 | 1149956 Singularity
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Because Tyler is too busy trying to frantically find more seemingly bearish/the-sky-is-falling news for his sour grapes website.  He can't be bothered with details. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:21 | 1149995 Ignatius J Reilly
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I'm sure some of you can do better than this but here's my attempt:

 

The 5 Stages of ZeroHedge

A guide (warning) for newbies or how I came to love the bomb

 

1)     

Denial- “What a bunch of BS.  People are talking their books.  This is all propaganda to get mouse clicks”, or other such nonsense.

2)     

Anger – Warning:  It is best not to listen to The Who, Muse, The Sex Pistols, Metallica or any other driving angry rock and roll while in this stage.  You will break stuff.  Most likely it will be your stuff, and you will regret it.  Also, do not threaten yourself, Marla, TD or anyone else with “I am never coming back to ZH again!”  ZH is heroine truth.  You will not stay away.  The rest of us who have been there will chuckle at you and the memories.

3)     

Bargaining – “If only I can make money off some trade with this information...  It’s all good.  As long as I can make money, I won’t be able to focus on underlying unfathomable turtle-headed truth.”

4)     

Depression – “Christ, I don’t have nearly enough potable water, freeze-dried food, ammunition or silver in my basement.”

5)     

Acceptance – “BTFD!”

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:46 | 1150390 tj3
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5a)    I've found another piece of the puzzle.

5b)    I've found another key to unlock a door of ignorance.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:06 | 1152474 MSimon
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5)      Acceptance – “BTFD!”

LULZ!!11!!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:55 | 1152587 msamour
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plus 1 gazillion on this post.!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 02:30 | 1152912 Hot Piece of Bass
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BTFD!!!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:19 | 1149685 InconvenientCou...
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most folks understand the difference between visiting a place and living there.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:20 | 1149703 Jim in MN
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...but I wouldn't want to marry her.

(8,760 hours per year)

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:25 | 1149724 Ident 7777 economy
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Or her -

"The" Radioactive Chick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj0HDN82Pfo

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:07 | 1149899 duo
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If I read the subtitles correctly, they gave up on getting to Dai-ichi (with the 6 reactors) where the road washed out, and went to Dai-Ni instead, and still found lots of radiation.  Of course, southerly winds could have blown fallout from Dai-ichi up to Dai-Ni.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:59 | 1149627 Ruffcut
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Radiation exposure can't be good for you. It makes these guys drive on the wrong side of the road.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:09 | 1149647 Wyndtunnel
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Think the Japanese military will install a perimeter after this "breach"?  Surprised those dudes could just mosie on in.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:11 | 1149656 NotAllowed
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Government wont send the military in because it's a death trap and they know it.  They need the forces else where. (and non-radiated)

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:42 | 1149794 whatsinaname
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I am disspointed the Japanese have not learnt a thing or two from the Soviet experience at Cherny. Cherny is pretty much fenced away from rest of the world and once the .. hit the fan, the Soviets did a decent job of making quick decisions (not all good) but atleast they reacted !!!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:11 | 1149924 flattrader
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There was another nuclear disaster beyond the Urals in 1957.  I believe it was a weapons facility.  It created a huge dead zone.  Survivors accounts of that accident are bad, bad, bad.

The Soviets tricked non-Russian ethnic children and minority population into the clean-up effort (at least initially) and forced them to continue.

Some survivors who were small children at the time first told their story and filed claims just a few years ago.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:47 | 1150100 Ident 7777 economy
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 Cherny is pretty much fenced away from rest of the world and ...

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I'm thinking those fences might be for the dogs and livestock that would otherwise wander in and out ...

 

/only partly sarc

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:35 | 1150343 Antarctico
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No sarcasm needed.  Radioactive particles cling to fur, you just can't shampoo it off.  One of the first things they did in the clean up of Pripyat was to shoot all the free roaming animals including the pets people abandoned thinking they would only be gone a day or two.  They did not want the critters carrying radiation out of the zone.

BTW, was I the only guy sappy enough to feel sorry for the abandoned dogs they came across? :(

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:45 | 1150387 Ident 7777 economy
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I felt sorry for those dogs too ... breaks my heart to see that.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:18 | 1150501 tmosley
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Yup, I wanted to take some of them.  They seem so sweet and well mannered.  They are obviously well socialized.  

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:29 | 1150531 jplotinus
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I did a word search on the word "dog" to see who else might have been touched by their presence. I got 8 hits.

The pitbull at the 9+min. mark is extremely compelling.  I hope the companion animals and the livestock are rescued.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 14:36 | 1150803 strenue
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Stark reminder of what happens in chaotic evacuations. I too, was surprised about the animals running around. If I were Tepco, I'd start there. It is obvious they have given up on containment at this point.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 17:30 | 1151648 Winterfreak
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The dogs don't look very poorly. I wonder what they are eating.....oh. wish i hadn't wondered that.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:58 | 1149857 Global Hunter
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They're not organized enough to do that, its a bureaucratic gongshow.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:01 | 1149860 Global Hunter
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dupe

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:02 | 1149862 Global Hunter
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triple post

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:01 | 1149863 Vlad Tepid
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In Japan, they have this cultural thing about not preventing people from killing themselves.  Kind of libertarian that way...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:08 | 1149649 Ieetseelmeet
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The only thing missing from the video was the opening credits for MAD MAX.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:14 | 1149661 jomama
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been looking all over for on-the-ground clips like these...

thanks for posting!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:12 | 1149665 Ancona
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That's fucking scary. The scariest thing is that this is not over by a long shot. We're talking months and months before they cool these monsters off.

That presumes of course, that the core isn't sitting in a molten blob beneath the reactor, having melted through the steel containment.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:17 | 1149976 TruthInSunshine
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Years, and that's assuming they're able to do some form of Sarcophagus, as was done at Chernobyl.

I'll leave it for the experts to determine how long that will take, assuming it's possible, given the response we've seen so far from the Japanese Government and TEPCO.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:51 | 1150127 johnQpublic
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not to mention the immense size of the sarcophagus needed to cover 4 reactors....and the still staphing other reactors inside of the exclusion zone....monitoring and maintaining the facility for just a measly 25,000 years

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:14 | 1149666 DoChenRollingBearing
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Indeed, Tyler, H/T to you and Sudden Debt.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:13 | 1149667 Gold Dog
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There must be another, guarded way in to bring in the meat robots that have to clean up the "little problem".

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:15 | 1149668 Agent P
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At what point does someone making a film like this come to the realization of "I probably shouldn't be here"?

At what point will others in Japan have the same epiphany?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:40 | 1150066 Piranhanoia
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watch the film develop itself. They might use video, but the operator and the camera might be exposed to to a jolt that makes the tape dangerous to even edit.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:16 | 1149670 Oquities
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dear dad, 

the kids and i visited one of those quaint japanese radioactive villages today.  it was their anniversary.  you should have seen the preserved wreckage! they have done a good job of keeping it just the way it was after the fukushima daiichi disaster.  maybe you can bring mom here sometime - i know she loves sushi.

love,

mohammed

march., 2111

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:16 | 1149671 Jim in MN
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TEPCO's now posting their plant boundary readings.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/monitoring/index-e.html

They have some comparable readings at the fence lines.  Some lower.  Never seen a map of the exact locations of these monitors.

These are probably minimally influenced by 'fallout' per se as they don't vary from hour to hour (there has been a slow, steady decrease over days).  I think this is just raw exposure from the reactor buildings and the dispersed fuel on site.  The document refers to is as 'spacial' dose. 

The air or water plumes are a different story.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:17 | 1149689 bingaling
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Depending which way the wind blows is where those readings are probably from . Seriously why trust someone who hasn't earned it ?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:27 | 1149722 Jim in MN
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No, those readings have been invariant in relative terms for many days despite wind shifts (the wind speed and direction is actually helpfully included in the West Gate data on a later page).  These are proximity readings. 

Through rain, sleet, snow and wind, thy gamma shineth true.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:43 | 1149795 Byte Me
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thy gamma shineth true.

 

Yah.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:15 | 1150484 TerraHertz
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These are proximity readings.

Or lies. Readings near a plant spewing high levels of radioactive gasses, but the readings don't vary with wind direction? I'd bet on lies. You should know by now they are going to be consistent in their habits.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 13:36 | 1150551 Jim in MN
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Bear with me.  The story keeps going.  If this isn't measuring the plume, what is?  Are any of these geiger readings measuring fallout exposure?

You know there are several types of radiation and different instruments for different situations.  Geiger counters are cheap...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:15 | 1149676 Smiley
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Welcome to the Wasteland

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:18 | 1149681 zaknick
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http://www.mrc.org/bmi/commentary/2011/Unreported_Soros_Event_Aims_to_Re...

 

Bretton Woods 3 is coming for you gold and silver bugs! All crazy for PMs yet not one word on the biggest threat to them:

 

Two years ago, George Soros said he wanted to reorganize the entire global economic system. In two short weeks, he is going to start - and no one seems to have noticed.

On April 8, a group he's funded with $50 million is holding a major economic conference and Soros's goal for such an event is to "establish new international rules" and "reform the currency system." It's all according to a plan laid out in a Nov. 4, 2009, Soros op-ed calling for "a grand bargain that rearranges the entire financial order."

The event is bringing together "more than 200 academic, business and government policy thought leaders' to repeat the famed 1944 Bretton Woods gathering that helped create the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. Soros wants a new 'multilateral system," or an economic system where America isn't so dominant.

More than two-thirds of the slated speakers have direct ties to Soros. The billionaire who thinks "the main enemy of the open society, I believe, is no longer the communist but the capitalist threat" is taking no chances.

Thus far, this global gathering has generated less publicity than a spelling bee. And that's with at least four journalists on the speakers list, including a managing editor for the Financial Times and editors for both Reuters and The Times. Given Soros's warnings of what might happen without an agreement, this should be a big deal. But it's not.

What is a big deal is that Soros is doing exactly what he wanted to do. His 2009 commentary pushed for "a new Bretton Woods conference, like the one that established the post-WWII international financial architecture." And he had already set the wheels in motion.

 

.....


This is all easy to do when you have the reach of George Soros who funds more than 1,200 organizations. Except, any one of those 1,200 would shout such an event from the highest mountain. Groups like MoveOn.org or the Center for American Progress didn't make their names being quiet. The same holds true globally, where Soros has given more than $7 billion to Open Society Foundations - including many media-savvy organizations just a phone call away. Why hasn't the Soros network spread the word?

Especially since Soros warns, all this needs to happen because "the alternative is frightening." The Bush-hating billionaire says America is scary "because a declining superpower losing both political and economic dominance but still preserving military supremacy is a dangerous mix."

The Soros empire is silent about this new Bretton Woods conference because it isn't just designed to change global economic rules. It also is designed to put America in its place - part of a multilateral world the way Soros wants it. He wrote that the U.S. "could lead a cooperative effort to involve both the developed and the developing world, thereby reestablishing American leadership in an acceptable form."

 

http://www.mrc.org/bmi/commentary/2011/Unreported_Soros_Event_Aims_to_Re...

 

Anybody catch Glenn Beck yesterday squealing like a stuck pig about Soros? I think Beck represents the drug warrior redneck mooching off humanity, trying to dress and act like civilized folks and failing miserably due to all that inbred inferiority complex which expresses itself as racism.

 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:36 | 1149760 Ident 7777 economy
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Soros?

The same one that wants re-make (make-over) the press and the financial system -

- that Soros?

 

And just WAIT until the conspiracy theorists latch onto this "Bretton Woods 3" thing ...

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:29 | 1150309 Harlequin001
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They will simply shut him down and that will be the end of it.

This thing doesn't end until it has to, which means complete and total market driven collapse, and we are not there yet by a significant margin.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:38 | 1149767 Bitchin Bear
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Funny how you trash Beck but you spout the same cant he does.  Watch who you call a redneck - WTSHTF we will all have "red necks" - from farming if we're lucky.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:42 | 1149791 Drag Racer
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Beck is leaving Fox so I doubt he will have much to say in the near future.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:50 | 1150120 Cursive
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@Drag Racer

If he picks the right medium/distribution channel, he could do what Oprah can't wirh her OWN fail. Beck has got some legit options, but he's going to have to execute.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:42 | 1149792 chunga
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"thought leaders".

That phrase send shivers down my spine. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:08 | 1149901 Global Hunter
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Beck obviously needs a rest and has gone right over the top, but I give him credit for at least trying to do some digging and hold TPTB's feet to the fire unlike most everybody else on the "news".

Will Soros be establishing the headquarters for the global currency and central bank in either:

A: Argentina

B: Paraguay

C: Uruguay

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:18 | 1149695 TruthInSunshine
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Gotta love how a few Sock Puppet Trolls were junking me for posting an article from The New York Times (of all places) where an unwilling to be identified Japanese official informed a Times reporter that the radiation meter equipment was being "cooked" and that they were using bulldozers to bury plutonium that had been ejected miles from Fukushima Daiichi in order to prevent it from "cooking" people who came anywhere near it.

And then you have some people attacking Gundersen now on the basis that he works for a private company, or attacking the report from Areva that was inadvertently leaked, wherein Areva officials basically call Fukushima among the worst catastophes of modern times unfolding in real time.

So, I'm exactly unclear why any intelligent person would doubt that the Japanese have lost all control at Fukushima, and their attempts regarding it have been little more than a massive disinformation campaign for the last 7 weeks or so.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:24 | 1149714 Jim in MN
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Wasn't the unauthorized statement about the vertical crack in one reactor vessel deleted from the NYTimes too?  Their reporters are clearly at the margin of editorial comfort--but still doing work.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:35 | 1149735 TruthInSunshine
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No - that was based on Areva's report, which Gundersen of Fairewind Energy spoke of.

See G Washington's article. Or watch Gundersen update here: http://vimeo.com/22062314

Reactor 4 has a crack underneath the spent fuel pool, that was caused by the earthquake, which caused the water to drain.

Here's the Link to the NYT article (the last sentence was altered - it originally stated "They're running bulldozers around to bury the stuff so it doesn't cook people going by," he said. -but that last sentence was taken out yesterday even though it still shows up Google's cache search results if you use it as a search term. Everything else is the same).


Powerful Aftershock Complicates Japan's Nuclear Efforts

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:35 | 1149761 Jim in MN
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I was thinking of a different article, about a week ago.  I get the point you are making now.  Just looking for a pattern :^)

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:49 | 1149815 TruthInSunshine
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No problem, Jim.

There are few documents Gundersen highlights in his presentation that pretty much prove there's a deep crack under the SFP in Number 4.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:46 | 1150092 bingaling
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found this picture today - It is the reported "vertical crack".

 

http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/the-crack-at-fuku-2-and-the-sh...

 

I think they are going to try and fill the vertical crack with a giant butt plug this was discussed right after operation extension cord and operation enema(they injected sawdust glue and kitchen sinks to stop a leak).

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 12:31 | 1150325 majia
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Tried to find links for the cracked fuel pool in #4. I plan to write on this ongoing catastrophe and am collecting sources:

"Mr. Jaczko's most startling assertion was that there was now little or no water in the pool storing spent nuclear fuel at the No. 4 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, leaving fuel rods stored there exposed and bleeding radiation into the atmosphere.

As a result, he said, ''We believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE6DC113EF934A25750C0A9679D8B63&pagewanted=all

also

"The situation at Japan's stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex may be even more dire than realized, according to American nuclear experts. Authorities at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission suspect that a crack or hole has developed in the floor or wall of a spent fuel pool at the complex, which will thwart efforts to refill the pool with water and prevent dangerous levels of radiation from escaping...

http://www.newser.com/story/114409/experts-suspect-alarming-crack-in-reactor-pool.html

 

And I think reactor 4 containment vessel believed to be cracked, unless this 3/25 dated article from the Guardian was later proven wrong...

Japanese nuclear officials fear crack in reactor core

Possible damage at Fukushima nuclear power plant could cause leak of high levels of radiation

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/25/japanese-nuclear-fear-crack-reactor-core

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:23 | 1149719 Byte Me
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I read your comment and the links and certainly did not junk you and don't understand why you were junked.

On a lighter note, the last 3-1/2 weeks feel like 7 weeks...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:35 | 1149765 TruthInSunshine
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Yes, the last 3 or 4 weeks seem bizarre and lengthy.

I lose track of time now.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:48 | 1149806 Ident 7777 economy
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by TruthInSunshine , on Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:18 #1149695

an article from The New York Times (of all places) where an unwilling to be identified Japanese official informed a Times reporter that

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This is how rumors start; some middle-management person overhears a conversation from or between 'ground personnel' and blows it out of proportion to the member of the naive, non-technical scare-mongering press; it may have been a few meters proved unsuitable for use  in close proximity to materials exhibiting high-rate readings, but there exist instruments with far higher measurement capabilities ...

The job of the 'newspapers' is to make news, the truth or accuracy is not a factor in that venture ...

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:49 | 1149824 TruthInSunshine
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There is more than one source, and if you do basic research, TEPCO is one of those sources itself, that have admitted/said/divulged that radiation levels are higher than can be measured by the on-site equipment.

And you're one of those who has downplayed this and assumed the best, even when evidence has contradicted you, from the beginning, every step of the way.

You have no credibility whatsoever.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 10:59 | 1149844 Ident 7777 economy
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You have no credibility whatsoever.

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Internet warrior: I stand in good stead with you then ...

 

So, what's your 'industry experience', in any field - zero?

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:01 | 1149856 TruthInSunshine
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As for the trend of the slowly confirmed facts, I'm batting magnitudes higher than what must be something close to .001 for you.

I have enough experience in the bullshit detection industry.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:03 | 1149883 Ident 7777 economy
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Pls, get out of mum's basement and get some vitamin D; it'll do you good ...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:04 | 1149889 TruthInSunshine
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Good comeback.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:08 | 1149916 Ident 7777 economy
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I was going to add to it - but you are watching this thread like an obsessed industry watch dog -

Here's what I was going to add:

 

"Ahhh ... Alex Jones / Infowars / and Jeff Rense rated no doubt ... good luck with that."

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:22 | 1149987 TruthInSunshine
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I don't watch/read any of the above.

Now fuck off, because you're polluting the thread for everyone else that doesn't care to witness your incessant whining and you rubbing your hurt vagina.

Thanks.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 11:27 | 1150007 Ident 7777 economy
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Funny ... you've arrived at the same result as AJ and JR.

I guess that's the difference between us - me: education in the hard sciences, actual field (industry) experience working on actual, real-life 'projects', contracts and systems ... vs only internet-based Tom Foolery (not that there is anything wrong with that) ...honey ...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 22:48 | 1152579 MSimon
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After a stint as an RO in the US Navy I mustanged my way up to aerospace engineer - electronics harware and software. I have code in the SR-71 and quite a few others.

So I know some about nukes and industry. And it is my estimation that you have seriously underestimated the situation for some time now.

But a lot of folks are doing that and I don't hold it against them. A lot of them are my friends. All it means since you get honest when confronted withfacts is that you aree behind the curve. Which don't mean nothin since there is nothing my howling in the wind or your silence can do about it.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 23:46 | 1152694 Ident 7777 economy
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And it is my estimation that you have seriously underestimated the situation for some time now.

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Funny, I don't ever recall issuing a 'size up' -

Care to cite a link?

(Added: I think you're suffering from a bad case of 'stimulus generalization' on this point.)

P.S. I've got 'code' in a few systems out there too, some telecom (what was the Japanese Handi-phone system, the VMC - Voice Mail Center to be precise performed while with Alcatel ... who had bought Digital Switch), and HW/SW in/on the 'flying platform' known as the Panavia Tornado ... TI was the prime for the dual RADAR (TFR - Terrain Following  and GM - Ground Mapper) development and initial production run on that one ... and that's for starters ... so there.

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 00:25 | 1152775 slewie the pi-rat
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t.y. MSimon @ 1152579.  you are most kind.  our 7777 is now showing signs of the near-hopeless bias of "scientific pride"...  hopefully, he'll fight his way outa the wet paper bag, but, realistically, like you say, what canya do?

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