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Marc Faber is the man.
I so dearly wish you could keep the anti-semitism buried inside your twisted selves. It's totally freaky. World War II and the Holocaust grew out of Germany's financial destitution. Given that zerohedge readers are smarter than the average bear, I don't know why we aren't recognizing this more often, instead of repeating our past mistakes. All I can do is point out that the masters of our financial demise are also largely white. And male. In fact there's a far higher correlation between their gender and skin color than their religious affiliation. You might as well become a lesbian feminist and bash the white guys as "the jews." Merry Christmas everyone. Save your cash and gold for a prosperous New Year!
So, will the reparations Ireland has to pay (without even fighting let alone losing a war) lead to financial destitution and WWIII?
The Patriot App:
http://fedupmontrealer.blogspot.com/2010/12/patriot-app.html
iPhone users meet Stasi, Stasi iPhone users
disgusting.
The Sinn Fein version:
One big red button...
The bankers (not all) just come from Jewish families and pretend to be Jewish. The Jewish mentality of having "the entire world against us" serves them well, because then they can claim that well, the entire world is against them, but not because of their actions... No, no... Of course not because of their actions... But because of racial hatred... Right! That must be it! Not because of their actions... Not because of their actions! LOL
Check out our latest PsychoNews story: "Psy-Ops, Disinformation & Bold Faced Liars"
http://psychonews.site90.net
"We have central bankers in charge of national economies, and their actual goals are not congruent with their stated goals.
The truth is, the power to issue fiat currency is in a few hands, and above everything, those 'few hands' intend to keep it that way! Power's highest priority is always to first and foremost maintain power. Think of any revolution, which is naturally followed by extensive purges. The goal of price stability has been replaced with the illusion of price stability.
Rather than aiming to maintain the value of fiat currency by maintaining a steady supply central bankers have decided they want their cake and to eat it, too! Bubbles, bailouts, quantitative easing, 0% interest rates, budget deficits totalling $1 trillion! And yet, precious metals have only risen modestly. OK, OK, 64% in two years for gold, and another 60% for silver (from its early 2008 peak) may not seem modest, but what is missing is a reference point..."
How easily you forget history: the biggest bubble of the last 100 years, the roaring twenties, the big crash in 1929 and the Great Depression that followed was preceded by free market deregulation in the 20s, spreadheaded by a republican president, coupled with the gold standard.
And as a counter-argument I expect the universal "it was not really a free market" argument. It usually goes like this:
Libertarian:
The free markets are the solution to any economic problem! The more you deregulate, the better off you are!
Random dude:
Um, but then why, all the times we tried to deregulate, it became worse? *points out specific cases*
Libertarian:
That's because those still weren't free markets - you haven't deregulated enough!
Random dude:
So can you give some examples of real free markets then?
Libertarian:
No, the evil government backed by jealous socialist mob always cracks down on us. But you just trust me, when we actually get one, it'll be totally awesome for everybody.
Libertarians are the guys who, if you ask them how to get out of a pit, tell you to dig down. If you dig for a while, and ask them how come the exit is farther than it were, they'll tell you that you haven't dug deep enough.
governments have a monopoly on currency, competing currencies should be allowed
Correction: The Banking Cartel (e.g. "Federal Reserve") has a monopoly on all fiat currencies. Haven't you learned from the bears?
They are. You can print your own money with your picture on it, a picture of your dog on the reverse, if you like. If you can get someone to take it for goods and services, congratulations. You can't, however, counterfeit another currency.
Sure you can, no problem. Just ask Bernard Nothaus whio created the Liberty dollar. He explains explained it on this site:
http://www.libertydollar.org/
Site removed removed due to court order...
Google on libertydollar for the story if you are interested.
Article I, Section VIII of the U.S. Constitution states that:
Counterfeiting, in this case, does not mean duplicating. It means creating money on your own - taking onto yourself a task reserved solely for Congress.
They are. You can print your own money with your picture on it, a picture of your dog on the reverse, if you like. If you can get someone to take it for goods and services, congratulations. You can't, however, counterfeit another currency.
Sorry for the double. FOB just took some. Do they know it's Christmas?
As-Salamu Alaykum, civilians.
Look, I have studied the "libertarian" party and Austrian economics and I will have to say that I tell people now that I am a Constitutionalist. I believe everyone wants justics here. No one wants an UNREGULATED mob running the money system. If they would just go back to the rule of law then all of this CDO, MBS, etc. alphabet soups that AIG was running would be against the law since they are nothing more than gambling. In my state Texas Gambling is illegal. ANd insurance is (supposedly) regulated, although lawlessness and corruption again rules. No one here is really a Libertarian.... excuse me for stepping on the toes of any true Libertarians.
A Constitutionalist, ha? How lofty!
Have you read A People's History of The United States (PHUS) by Howard Zinn? If not, please read it. Another good read for a constitutionalist is An Economic Interpretation of The Constitution by Charles Beard. And if you are truly curious, take a look at other tittles cited in the bibliography of the PHUS.
That is a truly great book and a must read for all.
No doubt there needs to be some regulation but what we have today is the worst of both worlds. We have the appearance of regulation without the actual enforcement. The abusers of deregulation haven't had to pay for their sins, natural selection hasn't been able to take course. The current system is designed to create a non-competitive environment which favors big business. This is anything but a free market.
If we removed the regulations that were created to stifle competition, enforced the law, and allowed abusers to fail we'd be in a much better place.
good point, it would seem. the weathermen didn't seem to help the cause but this time could be different. now nearly everyone can feel the draft.
regarding the jews, it is so tricky: clearly some are so on the angels' side. emma goldman? a more ambiguous case: she may have helped assassinate a president and gotten away with it.
however it is hard to get around the concentration of those even less on the angels' side clustered around the levers of money power in the u.s.a. and their publicists. what do we make of this? what part do the holocaust and israel play?
And I'm the one considered "anti-Semitic". Sheesh.
Anyway, this whole discussion is stupid. It is basically "racist", if you accept that Jews are a "race" (which I don't); certainly bigoted. Then again, as has been pointed out, it is what it is. You can't get around the fact that most of the guilty in this affair are among "God's chosen". And indeed: what part do the Holocaust and Israel play? Dig a little deeper and you'll find out. Jim Willie has spoken of the nexus often in past newsletters of his.
And anyway, it is not "Jews". That's the problem with saying it because it's incorrect, and it slanders the vast majority of Jews who are like you and I, good People. And so therefore, it is bigoted if you insist on using it as a blanket pejorative.
So what is the unifying theme amongst these dregs? It is a certain racist ideology, that ideology being zionism (I never capitalize it because the concept is so revolting that I'd rather not elevate it to proper noun status even). This is how you can explain douchebags like Joe Biden and George Bush, two obvious examples of people who are very not Jewish yet believe that Palestine is the homeland of the Jewish "people", which itself is a racist, bigoted idea because it totally abrogates the Arabs (of all religions) who have existed in that place since time immemorial. So let's be perfectly clear: we are not talking about Jews, we are talking about zionists, which as a group includes both Jews and non-Jews. zionism is a pernicious ideology that is rooted in the same origins as Nazism and any other similarly racist ideology in our more modern times. It is one and the same.
The zionist Jews who emmigrated to Palestine to begin rebuilding Yretz Israel were almost entirely European Ashkenazi Jews (I speak here specifically of the founders of the zionist movement, and not the refugees of the Holocaust, who were merely pawns of zionist machinations). In other words, they were Western colonizers, harboring the typical White Man's Burden complex and seeing the indigenous Arabs of Palestine as backward heathens. It's interesting how White Man is so wrapped up with his own self-elevated status in God's Universe that he confuses abject poverty with backward heatheness. Take any area deprived of resources or riches and see how heathenistic and backwards it becomes in a brief period of time. Israel succeeded and succeeds today only because, yeah, it's really easy to succeed on free money.
The only time Sephardic (i.e. Arab) Jews are welcomed into Israel is when they need numbers to keep the population figures within Israel at a level of Jewish majority, lest any (accurate) claims of Apartheid be bandied about recklessly (notwithstanding that Israel is the very embodiment of Apartheid). And even then, they're still treated as second class citizens, not quite the niggers that the Palestinians are but they're certainly not on equal footing in society with the Ashkenazis.
I certainly tangentialized, and nothing I say here is new. Is it relevant to the Jew bashing that preceded it? Yeah, maybe sort of, in a peripheral way. I hope it is at least minimally informative. Open Thread, bitches. If you want to debate my facts then go for it, but don't bother with any lame attempts at insult, because that will only be read as your admission of defeat.
I am Chumbawamba.
Actually it's more physics than sociology at this level. As in a economic and social vortex swirling across the landscape, sucking up ever more of the world's resources, with ever fewer people at the epicenter. Eventually to run into some immoveable object and vent its energy on it. Until then, the more it does pick up, the more energy it has and the more destruction that ensues.
Merry Christmas!
Good post Chumba.. Ration thought like that will get you nowhere.. It's bad for business.. ;)
I have always found the "jew bashing" suspect. I actually think a majority of it is zionists trying to reduce the conversation to hate filled slander that can easily be ignored or rejected..
Thanks Chumba, I find it ironic that the first biblical mention of the "Jews" or "Judah" the father of the "Jews", they were at war with the House of Israel.
"When Rehoboam came to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, and the tribe of Benjamin, a hundred and eighty thousand chosen warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to restore the kingdom to Rehoboam the son of Solomon." (1 Kings 12:21 RSV)
Actually, the term jew was used to describe a person who was of the lineage of the tribe of Judah, one of the 12 sons of Jacob. For someone to say they are a jew these days, is a stretch. Most of them are converts to judaism. Almost none of them can trace their ancestry back to the land they call Israel. It would be more correct for today's jews to say they are judaics , instead of jews. The term jew as it is used today is a catchall for anyone who worships according to the judaic belief system. Today's judaism is not the same as it was during the days of Jesus either. Rabbinical judaism is a outgrowth from Phariseeism. Today's Israel is not the same as the ancient Kingdom of Israel, yet they want it to be so. They use the Bible to buttress their viewpoints and take advantage of the misplaced "God's chosen people" verse that was included in the book of Genesis, that was not in the least talking about any judaics of today, of course. This small fact is somehow lost somewhere and the constant bloviating by certain Christian zionist idiots does not help the matters either. Today's Israel is a nation at war, and always will be, for this is the only way it can survive as it is now. We are the same way. We are a nation at war and this is the only way this government can survive as it is. It is a strong fact, that many of the indigenous people in the middle east , in Palestine etc, have more jewish blood in them than the European Ashkenazim do. On these issues, I study a lot because they are the heart of the entire situation we have facing us now. To know your enemy, you must know him as he knows himself.
PS. By the way Rusty Shorts, do we really know who wrote the Old Testament and when? Do we know that everything in there actually happened as stated and that there was no , shall we say, stretching of the truth? Is it possible for someone to make up the whole thing from whole cloth? Take for instance the verses ,you are talking about. 180,000 man armies are huge even for today's standards. When we look at this area, and think how it must have been long ago, surely it was not the best place to live and /or raise crops etc. I think the numbers used , for instance , are really blown way out of proportion. 180,000 man armies require lots of food and water and horses etc. Where would this come from? Did you know that even till this day, even though searching for artifacts has gone on, incessantly for a very long time, that no one , no not one searcher has ever been able to find one artifact, having to do with the Davidic or Solomonic kingdoms, yet we are told of their greatness and the size of their armies and the great wealth they supposedly had, yet not one artifact can be found in all of Israel. Now why is that may I ask? When you look at the Old Testament and the New Testament , one glaring fact stands out. The New Testament had many writers who were on site and were witnesses and it was written not long after it happened. This is all I am saying. For instance, it is a foregone conclusion that Josephus , the Roman jewish historian during those days, lied about a lot of things, while he was writing his histories mostly to make his fellow coreligionist, look good etc.
Then there's Joseph's children Ephraim and Manasseh, wonder what ever happened to them?
Twelve tribes. King Rehoboam behaved badly. His behavior caused the 10 northern tribes to split of from 2 southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin and some of Levi). The 10 northern tribes were conquered by Assyria and carried off about 200 years before the two southern tribes were carried off to Babylon. The 10 northern tribes have been lost to history.
Avraham Biran has unearthed an artifact bearing the inscription House of David.
As a man of Christian faith, I submit that we were all "Jews" in the beginning. I think we cannot deny the merits of an ambitious culture - one which, like many of the Hindu, Muslim and Buddhist nations - who expect, if not demand, the achievement or excellence in their youths. With such a culturally-ingrained mindset, it is difficult not to become disproportionally more "successful", more "powerful", and therefore more frequently a target of resentment by those of a more mundane upbringing. I think it is unfortunate that there is a preponderance of Ashkenazis in the banker cartels. The hatred of the banker scum is justified, not the hatred of the of a culture most likely to be overrepresented. It's all about integrity of individuals.
Merry Christmas and Peace to All.
That's when I knew the comment would be foolish.. Lost me.
Sorry, you cannot be a man of Christian faith and also say that hatred of your brother is justified. Oxymoron! Jesus loves even the vilest of sinners. Hate their actions, hate thier beliefs, but do not hate your brethren. And he is not a Jew which is one outwardly, he is a Jew which is one inwardly. Anyone who is faithful is a son of Abraham (the father of the faithful) and therefore a Jew.
Thanks for missing my point entirely. That said, you are correct, I am a shameful example of a Christian. Proof, I suppose, that mere "belief", being a work, is not enough. "Let he who is without sin..."
Razor, go and order yourself a Stone Chumash off of Amazon, and read it for yourself,paying close attention to the commentary notes of the great Rabbinical sages of the middle ages, Rambam and Rashi and make up your own mind on it. Like George Carlin said one time, its a big club and you and I aren't in it........
I misinterpreted your post. My deepest apologies. I am a shameful example of a Christian. Next time I will read more carefully before post. Happy new year!
Well the father of the "jews" was an Iraqi , was he not? Abram walked out of the land of his father Ur , which was located in Iraq. What exactly is a jew? As gentile Christians we had better get all of our ducks in a row before it is too late , believe me. You won't hear this kind of talk in church. The churches have been bought off and are silent. Chrisitan zionism comes from that scumbag Scofield and his foolish mentor, Darby. Most Christians don't even know anything about what zionism really means and just who it is that called themselves neocons. It is a war for the minds of the American people. Right now it is a war of words here , except even though our armies are fighting these jewish wars for Israel, nevertheless it is a war of words here but one day it will be much more than that. That day is coming soon. These people will never let go and will never give up. They have too much at stake now. They are close, closer than any generation of these misfits have ever been and they taste victory for it is so close now for them. They rolled for all the money on 911 and they put all of the chips on red. There is no turning back now. As the former head of the US Army war college , Alan Sobrosky, a jew himself , has stated, they went for broke and if the American people ever find out who actually did 911, there will be hell to pay and since he said some very bad things, I am not going to go there right now. But you get the picture, I hope.
Thanks for the summary. Unfortunately, 99% of the people don't know this.
Thank you Chumbawamba,
By the tone and breadth of most conversations (flame wars) on ZH concerning so-called Jews and Zionism, it is evident that most here are carried along by the consensus myth. Your summary is timely and should provoke a few (i'll be realistic) to look at Douglas Reed's The Controversy of Zion, or listen to Benjamin Freedman, or to pursue other scholarly efforts in order to determine the historic fact and to dispel the myth.
As you have said the originally Turko-Mongol Khazar Empire which was converted from phallic worship to Judiaism in about 800AD makes up more than 95% of what are called "Jews" today. And these folks have ZERO "right of return" to a homeland in Palestine as they are not Sephardim (native Israelites), but Ashke(nazi)m, Turko-Mongol, of asiatic origin.
As one can see if one is "Jewish" but believes the myth of "right to return" to "a homeland," that being Israel, then one is being lead about by the myth, a lie.
But as we well know there is such a fabric of lies, The Matrix, that finding one's way out becomes a full time "hobby." As this hobby matures it becomes easier and easier to detect, define, unravel, and study each functional society piece for the myth it is.
"It is not what you don't know that hurts you, it's what you know that ain't so." - Mark Twain
UJ, since even Neo is a non-believer, we are doomed, for the sixth time.
Thanks for sharing.
chumba, lebalance, you guys are refreshing my faith. there are other thoughtful, intelligent, investigators of truth out there. thanks for the xmas present hpd too
I was told that the Sehphardim were the non-European Jews and the local Israelis were called Sabras. !!
the entire talmud crowd needs to be taken out with the trash.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/jewish_ritual_murder.htm
Great to have you back, Chumbawamba.
Look chumba. You gotta understand how it works. Millions of Jews died for one reason and one reason only. The ability and right to rabidly defend them. They died for no OTHER purpose. Than to create the energy to rabidly defend them and "Not let that happen again". This is used by the Jew leaders and the jew leaders only. They will put 90 percent of their people into another jew slaughter house just to keep up the "jew shield". Hoping people misidentify any attack on these jew leaders as "racism".
Since people don't know what something was about they don't know how to deal with it "correctly". So you will bring all kinds of force and enforcement if you can't approach this "problem" without full understanding of it's dynamics.
The greatest story never told is how a small group of rabid jewish political zionist, before, during and after ww2, sacrificed their own brethern to achieve their overall goals , the establishment of a jewish homeland in Palestine, which was lived in mostly by Arabs. I will take exception to the millions figures. I simply do not believe that many died there and I can tell you for a fact, there was no gassing going on, there was no mass murdering going on, there was no jewish people killed and made into lampshades etc. However, I digress. To prove my points on the holocaust , one only has to view the film produced by a jew, named David Cole, who in 1992, went to Auschwitz and made a documentary on his findings and ever since that day he has been hounded by the JDL goons and among other things , (of course) called a self hating jew, merely for putting out the truth on the matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM
Let us now, examine the viewpoints of prominent zionist during the period
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm
Statement by the Lehi organization.
"The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East ... The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side ... The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be in line with one of the recent speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler stressed that any combination and any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it."
Statement by Yitzchak Greenbaum, a famous Zionist.
One cow in Palestine was worth more than all the Jews in Poland.
Statement by David Ben-Gurion
"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel." After the war, a Zionist religious leader, Rabbi Klaussner, who was in charge of displaced persons presented a report before the Jewish American Conference on May 2nd, 1948 : "I am convinced people must be forced to go to Palestine...For them, an American dollar appears as the highest of goals. By the word "force", I am suggesting a programme. It served for the evacuation of the Jews in Poland, and in the history of the 'Exodus'... To apply this programme we must, instead of providing 'displaced persons' with comfort, create the greatest possible discomfort for them...At a second stage, a procedure calling upon the Haganah to harass the Jews."
Then we have the tranfer agreement where jews were transported to Palestine aboard German ships during WW2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX62OpLggA
We got sold a bill of goods on world history and it appears so have many jews but getting them as well as anyone else to admit or at least look at it, is a bit of a problem. I leave you with a discussion by Gilad Atzmon, on the mentally disturbed notion of modern day Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fKYAkKIKFk
I simply cannot let some of this stand without comment. Earlier today, I read again my late father's account of his time in WW2. He landed in France, fought his way into Germany, and was a part of the first infantry battalion to reach Dachau. His personal account of freeing the prisoners is all I need for confirmation of the atrocities that occurred there. He describes opening boxcars filled with rotting bodies by the gas chambers. He tells of having to chase down and round up released prisoners after they started looting and destroying the town. He was a 19 year old from rural South GA, and knew nothing of zionism, but he did understand genocide. He made a career of the military, and found himself re-assigned to the Dachau post in 1948. I started school there in 1951. To deny the holacost is to exhibit extreme ignorance or tell a willfull lie. Independent Contractor
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Chumba,
I worked in Israel in the late 70's in a IDF project and even though I am Christian, I was given a very high security clearance. Being adventurous in local foods, my expat mates and I used to go into the Yemenite Jewish area of Tel Aviv to experience their food. We were told by our Israeli co-workers that we should not be hanging arround the black areas.
We were stunned to hear that the Yemenite Jews, will be called black and that Israeli Jews will be racist having suffered so much racism themselves.
I had a great time there otherwise but this was something I did not expect.
It sounds from your post that you have a problem with the concept of existence of a God, and one which 'chooses' a certain group of people over others. Did I detect that correctly?
I am God... and I am my kind of people.
What kind of god would choose one people over another? Would this be a 'good god'?
I have a dream, that one day, there will be no holy land. There will be only the people's land. For that land is the land of the earth.
Interesting how the Jews were "chosen".. Even more interesting is how they can have invented the story themselves and have 1 Billion people believe it... Watch "Ancient Alliens" on History Int Channel.. Esp next week.. Looks like it's going to be a good one.
I'm not real big on the UFO thing.. But ancient aliens.. no doubt in my mind..
Download it and stuff that bitch with Bernank, Timmay, and the whole crew. Goldman reporting earnings? report that terrorist organization.
Your Congressman selling you out? report him as an enemy of the state.
So, will the reparations Ireland has to pay (without even fighting let alone losing a war) lead to financial destitution and WWIII?
+100000000
So, will the reparations Ireland has to pay (without even fighting let alone losing a war) lead to financial destitution and WWIII?
War declared on Ireland? not unless it sets up a labour based currency
Ireland's biggest mistake was getting mixed up with the Rothschilds. A bit like inviting pirates, looters, and assorted marauders into a very big bank, and handing over the keys and combinations, and assuming they will behave honorably. The second biggest mistake was agreeing to permanent indentured servitude by paying back a carefully planned scam years in the making. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who writes its laws." AMRothschild.
A quick look at who's who on the Federal Reserve board should bolster your intellectual ill-liquidity.
Study who created Germany's financial destitution and you will find the same group of Jews behind the scenes. Those who accelerated prosperity for some only to create calamity for many.
So sayeth he who was raised by apes.
Jebus....a jewish carpenter, sunshine.
a carpenter who never built a single church. ...i wonder why not.
+ 1 million dead iraqis
There you go. Thank you chopper read. I was sitting here thinking of my dear departed grandmother and wondering what she would have me do this evening... probably go to a nice methodist church service. Then I just get furious, depressed, anxious, indignant and every other repulsion toward the thought of going to church and praying for love and peace when my own church is OWNED by the federal government.... cannot even speak out against the loss of the rule of law, won't speak against the illegal wars.... I just can't MAKE myself go. I will pray to God right here that he will convict the hypocrites at the church as badly as I've been convicted in the last 8 or 9 years.... and that's about it!!!
I wish ZH would lose the "junk" system and put in its place a "thumbs up"/"thumbs down" system. This is a "thumbs up" Until then, +1.
excellent, excellent point. as my faux granddaughter (8) says, "why can't they just vote?".
-1 Baby Jesus.
I much prefer the creative "thumbs up" system of "+1 random/funny/relevant/ item" ZH posters come up with over the generic/lame/sheeple-like "thumbs up" icon one can simply push. Also, not having the thumbs up feature often gets users to contribute for the fact that they CAN'T thumbs up. Tyler/ZH are freaking geniuses that way.
+1 Barrel of TNT planted under Parliament by an ancient alien.
Yep the nation is dying and they are not saying one word about it, as if they think somehow that all of this is just one big bad dream but its not. 200 years ago, the churches would be alive with seething anger about what is going on, but now, they are quiet about the economy. This will be their undoing.
of course in 1810 (to a good 1870) (some of) the churches were the backbone of abolition and most of them seethed with intellectual ferment over what religion really was and should be. i think the times have passed them by. neitzsche, marx, etc. and the wars, etc. since have had their impact.
It was illegal to observe Christmas in the USA until 1870.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2646531/posts
The churches are worried about getting taxed.
Throw some mroe atheists and/or Darwin or Calculator worshippers in the population and the churches could be in trouble.
After all, Uncle Sam is the charity now. If the churches make a bunch of noise about the death of morals, ethics, and the rule of law they will be TAXED (or have their land confiscated a la' KELO).
+1000000 when these statist ministers stop praying for the US war machine, it may be safe to enter a church again, until then, let these 501C whatevers rot in you know where
"a carpenter who never built a single church. ...i wonder why not."
Maybe busy doing something more tangible? ;-)
do you mean it has nothing to do with a patch of real estate on a sunday morning? ;)
...i suppose Jesus was too busy whipping money changers and pissing off hypocrite Roman bureaucrats.
I think He was too busy teaching people how to fish, instead of giving them fish day after day until they became used to asking for fish.
As far as the real estate issue...it was a Quit Claim Deed issued by the senior holder of same.
I don't see a problem with it's validity ;-)
Wait, wasn't he the same guy who fed the multitude of people by miraculoulsy multiplying bread and fish? And didn't he also make water into wine when the wine was running low? And didn't his followers hold all of their belongings in common?
"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts." (Acts 2:44-46 NIV)
"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need." (Acts 4:32-35 NIV)
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Nah, must be some other guy.
Z
http://www.anncoulter.com/
...I'm not even religious, but you got my heckles up with that socialist dribble. It was already tried by my distant Grandfather, William Brewster, upon arriving at Plymouth Rock; it DOES NOT WORK (see: Europe collapsing for more details).
http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2010/11/24/happy_starvation_d...
I agree - hideous socialist drivel! It is vile and corrupting and without value! I spit in the general direction of such folly!
Why it is almost as bad as:
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
Oh, and I'm not religious either. And there is no place in my post where I said I agree with the quoted text. I just think that trying to justify laissez faire capitalism through the Bible is laughable. But trying to justify any particular economic or political system through the Bible is equally laughable.
Z
Please stop. Your reply to the poster pointing out that conservatives "out give" liberals is to replay the story of the rich man going to hell for not giving to the poor. WTF?
Ahhh...the lovely State Mind Control document:
Sit back and take it peasants,
And reap your reward "later." (sounds inflationary to me)
While we con you yet again out of your life.
How many more times are you going to listen to this crap?
+1 Exactly. A religion for slaves, that's what it's always been.
True, that was the only time Jesus got angry was wth with money changers.
Sorry, incorrect. He often "burned with anger" at the religious ruling elite. Even called them names on occasion....snakes, vipers, brood of vipers, etc.
But he did teach in synagogues and also cleared the money changers off the temple grounds.
But he did teach in synagogues and also cleared the money changers off the temple grounds.
Duh, there WERE no churches then, only synagogues and pagan temples. The church came later.
... a carpenter who never built a single church.
The carpenter did build ... a single church. There are not many; there is only one. By common definition, the church is a body of people, not a building. But there is the visible church and the invisible church. (search church visible on Wikipedia)
... upon this rock I will build my church; (the carpenter speaking - Matthew 16:18)
Correct.
Your body is the Temple and He built millions of them ;-)
Your body is foreign and not completely under your control. You spend more time and effort just learning how to use your hands than you did learning to talk and read. Even having "imprinting" identification from your body or image of self is wrong and could be dangerous to you.
I knew I shouldn't have gotten that CCW. ;-)
He had a no-bid contract for crosses though; busy, busy, busy.
A) He was busy tossing the money changers out of the church.
B) Must you have a church to worship God?
C) Churches and temples would be made of stone.
D) Jebus was notoriously anti-establishment.
By definition, the church is the body of believers - past, present, and future. If that church, that body of believers, did not exist - who or what would worship God? A person's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19). God has never required that you go to a particular building before you can worship him. Or even just talk to him.
god bless sweet baby cheeses.
Mary exmiss bitchez.
(Or something like that.)
LOL! yes, I can go along with that. god bless sweet baby cheeses.!
jesus=judahite
jews=edomites
christ called em sons of satan, look it up.
So Tarzan, do the names Morgan and Rockefeller sound Jewish to you?
Asshole.
Now hold on one second, both are known to have been Rothschild agents. Why do you think JP Morgan's inheritance was like $8 dollars??? Same as Khodorkovsky, who was 'richest man in Russia', until he was caught, and then suddenly all his wealth reverted back to the Rothschilds.
Any way, the bankers just use religion as a cover. If anything, they are best described as Satanic or maybe even Demonic.
http://psychonews.site90.net
Herd
I didn't know Putin was Jewish.
Thanks for the solid information....
And didn't your pal Adolf have a little jew in him, and during his days as a painter he certainly had a little jew in him.
Slam these criminal bankers, but don't defile all the Jewish people; you are starting to sound a little stale now...
sigh....
Your use of logical fallacies is quite detrimental to your appeal.
I didn't mention Putin, or Hitler, OR 'defile all the Jewish people'... All I said is that while Morgan and Rockefeller are not Jewish names, there are strong links to a prominent financier with a Jewish name!
We are looking for justice, not scapegoats, it makes no sense to blame the innocent. BUT... Jewish people need to realize that there are people out there calling themselves Jewish, and giving Jews a bad name. That does not make the entire world anti-semitic.
Christian people need to be aware that there are people out there calling themselves Christian, and giving Christians a bad name.
Muslim people need to be aware that there are people out there calling themselves Muslim, and giving Muslims a bad name.
The American people need to be aware that there are people out there calling themselves Americans and giving Americans a bad name.
Bankers need to be aware that there are people out there calling themselves bankers, and giving bankers a bad name.
I could go on... what the fuck is the point in singling out one religion, race or nationality? I'm getting sick of reading this bullshit. Anybody who thinks that one group has the lock on fucking everything up is an idiot.
I don't think you get it. The Oligarchy uses race and religion to divide and conquer. But at the same time by the very nature of being secretive you tend to select those you consider trustworthy, friends, friends of friends, colleagues, family. There is a group 'fucking everything up', and its members variously claim to be Christians, Jews, Muslims. But lets get it straight, the media and finance arms of the Oligarchy are largely dominated by people claiming to be Jewish.
You sir, are correct.
There are some good Jewish people out there. They even hate the ones that give them a bad name.
It's best to ignore them all.
do you mean j. p. morgan's inheritance (control of his father's bank) or his estate (what he left his heirs)? if the latter, depending on one's adjustment (cpi or percent of gdp) his estate was between one and 25 billion current dollars after having given away most of an art collection valued about the same.
I think you missed the essence of the post, which links Morgan and the Rothschild family.
"On several occasions, JP Morgan also helped the government in its finances. In 1877, together with August Belmont and the Rothschilds, they floated $260 million in US government bonds."
Let me ask you this, do you think this was common knowledge in the 19th and early 20th century?
Neither the Harrimans nor the Bush that financed the Nazis were jewish.
And yet they were Anglophiles and Zionists.
Fucking shit, are you seriously fucking serious right now? I come in here to post some nice Holiday wishes and read some of the same comments like that, and i get your pathetic attempt at derailing this thread into a 'YOU OFFENDED TEH JEWZ!!1' comment.
Not everything revolves around antisemitism - i cant remember the last time i saw 'jew' posted somewhere without having some get offended.
Now, with that said, Merry Christmas to all.
it is blatant anti-semitism when you say something like "jew inspired derivatives"
rage against AIPAC, Israel, Lieberman, Bernanke, the Federal Reserve.
thats all fine, but the "jew" comments reverts to blatant racism.
did Einstein or Bob Dylan have anything to do with derivatives?
get a life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0sS6a9RW2E
True, when one attempts to rationalize BAD behavior based on societal norms, it usually fails.
Then again, placing one's religion/race/creed/color above ALL others often leads to cultural pathology...
In the New Age of Policitical Correctness it is amoral to consider such traits as affecting human nature, but one would have to be truly moronic to think they don't exist.
TBTF didn't happen in a vacuum, and the perp skool traitors would NEVER have come into existance under the Sons of Liberty...
i think that's a stretch.
you helped me answer my own question above: they are achievers and overachievers and they help each other. the jews took over u.s. finance after ww2, unambiguously, because they wanted to and they could. wouldn't you?
I've given up making that point here. The random posters who drop those messages are not going to have their minds changed. Furthermore, some non-random posters, like Trav7777, actually have some good points on the topic, but the internet turns out to be a pretty bad medium to discuss it with them.
Merry Christmas Everyone.
And yes, Jesus was a Jew.
Regroup, refresh, renew.
Inspire action, not hatred.
Peace on Earth.
Why worry about criminal elite and their thugs when you can accept Jesus as your "personal savior" and get Pie-In-The-Sky in the sweet by-and-by?!?
Seriously dudes and dudettes, if you follow him your "Kingdom is not of this World"...
Hey, I'm just sayin', life of poverty and all that;
Merry Christmas Mr. Pliskin.
Snake knew poverty and suffering.
No where in the Bible do I remember reading you must be poor to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Well my brother, all I can say is that you missed a wee bit...
Before I decided not to base my life's view/opinion on what men have written, because I can't even believe 99.99% of the pablum that passes for "Freedom of the Press" these days, I studied the scriptures in-depth, leaving no stone unturned until I decided the whole thing could be some sad & twisted bit of propaganda:
Now, you may say one of those snappy cult believer lines you heard an ordained con artist preach from the pulpit, but brother if you're serious about being a "Christian", I seriously think you should study the manual, both Part 1 & 2.
As for me, I'm still believe that everything we are, see, feel, and touch was created, and can be scientifically proven as such, but because of the greed, avarice and guile of mankind, I have -0- faith in religiousities, although I am willing to be persuaded by a REAL display of what is beyond this life - Guess I'm gonna have to wait on that one...
I still think you should have a Merry Christmas.
well, all's I can say on the foregoing topic is I have a sense, not just seen by my eyeballs, that the present-day "church" in USA (note the "in USA") is so similar to the state of the Jewish "nation" when Jesus showed up that it's really uncanny
Best I can do is fake for #5
Ugh...
har har dylan and einstein = jew plagiarists, how surprising.
Well, yes, I'm sure many jews are indeed "offended" when they hear references to things like a "jewish conspiracy" as the cause of our fiscal woes. Sorta like the jews were offended when they heard those accusations in 1935 onward. I'm neither jewish nor "offended." I'm freakin' terrified by the neo-fascist comments I read on this forum. Strangely, I was just arguing not so long ago that there was no such thing as "anti-semitism" in America anymore, and that we should really be focusing on the bigotry more relevant to 21st Century America. I am embarrassed how truly stupid I was (my Christmas gift to MeTarzanUjane). I had no idea.
There is a rural township near where I live that is run by a family / christian sect. They only hire their own, they choose a family contractor first for any work that needs to be done, etc.
Over the course of 50 years they were able to dominate the politcs in this small town.
Is there something wrong with that? How would you feel if you lived in that area longer than them, yet you were unable to aquire permits etc because you didn't have polictial influence while similar permits for family members were easily aquired?
If you can appreciate this, then you can appreciate the very real situation that we live in.
Oh yeah - and happy holidays.
Ever seen High Plains Drifter?
Got red paint?
If so, have at it...
I don't think we can send Eastwood after the Jews.
Right. It's definitely a job for Gibson.
I am Chumbawamba.
how about mel gibson?
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Ditto your comment ZP, and more to the point, Merry Christmas.......and thanks also. I picked up your comment on the USD/CHF the other day on Nic's article (I think), looked at the chart and took the long trade just over 0.95 (0.9515 to be exact).
Best regards.
Merry Christmas to you RoRo
And Happy Hannukah!
I am Chumbawamba.
I love all Chumbawumbas. Except when they eat with their mouth open. Why do you guys do that?! It's gross.
I am glad you are not in gitmo!
Merry Christmas!
No prison, no matter how remote nor savage, can hold me, for I...
I am Chumbawamba
Epic, and welcome back.You were sorely missed.
Dude, where have you been ??? Merry Christmas
savage.
you are amongst the baddest of the bad asses. merry christmas.
I will NOT welcome back one who once said, on this forum, that he wished to "jerk off to the sight of Jews being massacred," or something very similar to those ends. Chumba, crawl back under. Never come back.
And congratulations to all who allowed a trailer trash skinhead like Tarzan to completely derail what I had assummed would be a rather lighthearted and positive thread. Shit.
I don't need this on my Christmas Eve. Over and out.
No, I never said that, and no, I never asked for you to welcome me back, and ohbytheway fuck you.
I'm back.
I am Chumbawamba.
I recall from your some of your first postings around here that your were delighted at how nice other comments were on the particular thread.
Then, later, I saw you spewing bile. Hmm.
-1
I got some Chumba on the bottom of my shoe.. Sorry. I'll try to be better. By the way, C.W. DID say what I have attested. It is what caused Marla to call him "What is wrong with the internet."
But you are definately right, W.W.
Two wrongs DON'T make a right.
happy hannukah chumba
Welcome back chumbawamba!
You have been sorely missed here at ZH. Great to have you back.
Tyler you have tremendous business acumen and a lot of heart too. Merry Christmas! Welcome back chumbawamba and to ZH readers- platino putas!
I theen chew mean "platino perras" mang.
the jewish protect team on full alert like always.. and only the germans hated the jews. How about all the jews that slaughtered russians under the Bolsheviks?? it dwarfs their holocaust but nothing is ever mentioned
and with jews you never know if they are pulling out the religion or race shields - anti-semitism even if you dislike their bagels