Hong Kong Real Estate Transactions Plunge

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:56 | 1241661 tmosley
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Just in time.  I wouldn't mind buying a flat in HK.  US is really starting to suck these days.

Zai jian, bitches.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:01 | 1241676 sheeple
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may I recommend you: repulse bay

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:27 | 1241756 tmosley
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Thanks for the recommendation.  It looks very nice.

If the market falls 90% I could afford a decent place there, lol (http://www.hongkongpropertyman.com/hkpropman/index.asp?action=resi_detai...).  $2500 per square foot in some places in 2006 according to the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repulse_Bay.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:54 | 1241940 Bringin It
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Sleep standing up.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:37 | 1242017 sheeple
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yeah I used to swim there when I was a kid; "swim" =D [and admire the lambos and bugati flying up and down on the repulse bay hair-pin turns]

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:57 | 1241663 max2205
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What happens when they start printing H$'s and mark to fantasy. It never ends

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:21 | 1241733 Harlequin001
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They pegged to the USD for years, this is what happens...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:59 | 1241669 sheeple
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Yeah $HKD9000/sqft in tsuen wan hong kong ... mad

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:59 | 1241671 trav7777
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china RE bubble starting to invert...perhaps run to hills time is getting near

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:01 | 1241672 Cognitive Dissonance
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Today, courtesy of the Hong Kong land registry service, we find that the drubbing has shifted from mainland China to Hong Kong.

I'll check with my man in Hong Hong and get right back to you.

Hey Banzai7. Could you talk a walk around the park, kick some tires and over turn some garbage cans and let us know what's happening on the ground in HK? Thanks.

Banzai7, our man in Hong Kong.

Yo, Vincent Vega, our man in Amsterdam. Jules Winnfield, our man in Inglewood. Get your asses on in here!


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:05 | 1241685 sheeple
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sigh I still remember the time beginning in 1997 the massive ~60% drop in real estate price in hk... the negative equity gangs drove up bbq coal price in hk due to the high demand in the popular charcoal burning suicide

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:52 | 1241826 williambanzai7
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I was turning over a can and found Bin Ladens wallet. Sid you know he has a Connecticutt social security number?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:03 | 1241847 apartofthings
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:11 | 1241709 Itsalie
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Well you can be sure that if ZH is following the HK Land Auth data then you are 3 months behind the curve.

The hot money is just shifting from one money laundering centre to the next; real estate agents in SE Asia are seeing foreigners selling in HK and shifting to the bigger bubbles of Singapore and KL in last 3 months.At same time kiwis and Ozzies are selling their own market and piling into SE Asia. Don't laugh but there is still hope for the Vietnamese Dong. And Bang Cock just got arm-twisted to call off the elections, the military need to a year more to attract hot money so their 1998-era half-built land bank can be sold to foreign carrot-headed suckers from La Suisse (actuall the swiss banks are just a front for Greek and german money trying to escape the other la-la land of europe).


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:27 | 1241744 Harlequin001
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That's all it ever did. Singapore went up by around 80% in a month according to my friends there. Funny old thing it was just as the auction rate securities markets were failing in the US. I wonder who might be behind that then...

Expect it to be cut in half very soon...

The problem with moving money from market to market is that you eventually run out of markets. Then it finds its way into gold...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:17 | 1241718 PulauHantu29
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The ratio of apartment price:income is unrealistic. HK (like China) is in for a massive Bust.

Then, Australia is next where the median house price is....better sit down...USD$630,000!!!

Buying a house now is buying a depreciating, money-losing asset.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:27 | 1241748 dogbreath
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the australian education system must be excellent

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:29 | 1241754 Harlequin001
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It's actually pretty good, or so I'm told. This idiocy is a global phenomenon...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:48 | 1241822 longorshort
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Anyone shorting the AUD long term yet? I was considering 1.10 but never pulled the trigger.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:11 | 1241859 apartofthings
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Pure fiat currencies are hard to predict. Bad fundamentals are one thing, but it's all relative to other countries who are also in the sh*t. And don't get me started on market interventions...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:14 | 1241871 chump666
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1.07 handle has been taken out...normally the aud the sells to the 50ma. its a very supported currency till aust housing market. implodes  there were shorts from 1.10 to the 10ma


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:50 | 1241823 williambanzai7
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There seem to be two real estate markets in HK. One for speculators and one for normal people.

Two things drive the market, the chronic shortage of units in an expanding population and the hot Mainland money.

The hot money causes the developable land to be allocated to hot projects instead of affordable housing. This causes the whole market to trend up. But the ridiculous numbers you read about are Mainland Tycoons and companies buying up penthouses in the sky palaces.

Not a good time to be in the sky palace space.

Another odd quirk is how street level retail rent is impacted by real estate brokers looking to open locations. Many a dim sum joint has closed because of this.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:06 | 1241846 chump666
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The China credit crunch should start in HK and spread to mainland Chinese banks - all from highly geared HK property, that traditionally can collapse to 60+% on a good day.

As far as the AUD, yeah it's a short of the century.  The AUst central bank will have to at least cut a repo rate to their banks on Asia bond/CDS/insurance markets widening.  Asia may be going into a very hard landing

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:06 | 1241849 chump666
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moron japan margin traders and japan funds are still bidding the aud...

1.07 handle got sold, hedge funds should pingpong sell gld and silver plus CAD and AUD.  may correction kicking in

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:42 | 1242024 longorshort
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How much are you short AUD if any?  If you do a very long term short 6 months to 2 years?  Which is a cheaper transaction, currency at 30x leverage or futures contracts?  Anyone have a way to calculate this?  That does allot of currency trading.  Maybee even option costs are cheaper way to trade this as a leveraged move.  Anyone have a tool or example based on current costs they can explain?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:52 | 1241944 Coldfire
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This is very good news, but my landlord apparently didn't get the memo. Yesterday, she served me with a proposed 60% (that's sixty percent) increase in rent, the greedy twat. A subsequent survey of the market reveals a doubling in rent in most buildings (not sky palaces) over the past year. Asking rent - today - for a 400 gross square foot (probably 300 net) flat in the neighborhood is HKD40,000 (USD5,200) per month. Granted, that's the high-end of lunacy and not generally representative (yet). But still, with every third shop in Mid-Levels being a real estate agency/money laundry, the continued busing in of Mainlanders on real estate buying tours and ZIRP with no end in sight, you can see how things got here. Time for one of Hong Kong's periodic property crashes? Too fucking right it is. This bubble is murder.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:45 | 1242033 longorshort
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Is there a better way than currencies to play a real estate crash in Hong Kong?  Also how big is the bubble in Singapore?  Anyone have some info on the bubble there?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 04:50 | 1242228 Coldfire
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The Hong Kong stock market is a proxy for its real estate market, correlation >0.90. If you want to bet on a property market crash, short the Hang Seng.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:01 | 1241956 freon guy
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The apartment I'm renting in Singapore sells for ~~ S$2000psf.  The landed properties throughout the island, particularly on Sentosa are even more ridiculously priced. 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:44 | 1242034 longorshort
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So what is the easiest way to short Singapore housing market crash, through curency or what market vehicles/trades?  Very very serious question here.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:00 | 1242052 chump666
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STI index, find prop shares.  You can short, or buy puts.  Asia is right in the middle of a inflation shitstorm.  Housing will pop.  Much rather short the AUST market, index and FX. 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:13 | 1241984 slewie the pi-rat
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prices are sticky.  in HK.  money is tighter.  ^margin^upskie^, BiCHeZ!^

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:25 | 1242090 freebo
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Having recently moved to Aus we rent a 2 bed appartment in Sydney 100m2 - not luxurious but cost its owner $1.2 (AUS),  (1.3 USD) - we pay $800pw rent, not a great yield! Ave salary is $65k...

RE Market is crazy here example in my suburb - http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/NSW/Pyrmont/?adid=2008971839


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:37 | 1242102 chump666
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Australia and China/HK/Singapore/Taiwan are the only housing markets that haven't corrected.  China and Australia on a tandem bubble - a housing 'tulip' bubble. 

Bring up their stock markets All Ords and Shanghai A/B...no explanation needed.

So a massive correctuion is due, timed for June/July/August. 

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 02:56 | 1246554 PulauHantu29
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The RE Idiocy infected Aus when the banks began jealously eyeing the States ZERO down/NINJA policies (and the fat commissions/bonuses of flipping lots of newly constructed boxes).

Even when the buying madness slowed somewhat (when house prices paused at median price of about $520,000) the Aus gubberment copied the States--Monkey See, Monkey Do Style-- and gave a tax credit. However, they handed out $16,000 in tax credits instead of the measley $8k here in the States.

Yes, an UberBubble pervades the Land Under and soon to become a MegaBust imo.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:04 | 1242296 Bubbles the cat (not verified)
Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:28 | 1242091 Jovil
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Exter's Inverted Pyramid of Assets is enlightning and shows the relationship of assets putting them in their proper order of importance.


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 04:41 | 1242226 edmondantes
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Roubini commenting on China ... forthcoming bust

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