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House Rejects Measure Approving "Limited" Military Intervention In Libya
Just out:
- HOUSE REJECTS MEASURE TO ALLOW ONLY SOME SUPPORT ACTIONS
- HOUSE VOTES NOT TO RESTRICT U.S. MILITARY ROLE IN LIBYA
The vote was 238 to 180. So does this mean the president is now implicitly violating the War Powers Act? It is getting impossible to follow all the strands of the 5 war fronts that America is successfully finding itself into. Also, does it mean America is now officially at war with Libya? Or does it mean simply that America has unlimited funding to continue its pursuit of "humanitarian" light sweet?
Inquiring minds want to know.
From Reuters:
War-fatigued lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives took a symbolic swipe at President Barack Obama's Libya policy on Friday, rejecting a resolution that would have authorized his limited military intervention against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi for a year.
The Republican-led House, upset over Obama's failure to seek congressional approval of U.S. military action in Libya, voted 123-295, largely along party lines, to reject the resolution endorsing U.S. involvement in the NATO-led mission.
Immediately after the vote, the House began debating a second Libya measure that would effectively prevent the U.S. military from participating in strike missions against Libya but allow it to continue to provide NATO forces with intelligence, refueling, planning and other support.
Since NATO took over the Libya operation on March 31, the United States has conducted 755 strike sorties, including 119 in which the planes actually fired at targets. Thirty-nine of the strikes involved the use of drone aircraft.
The congressional action was another warning to Obama about growing discontent among lawmakers after a decade of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that has cost more than a trillion dollars and has helped fuel a $1.4 trillion budget deficit.
Lawmakers who supported action authorizing U.S. participation in the NATO mission against Gaddafi warned that rejection of the measure and approval of curbs on U.S. military involvement could damage the U.N.-authorized operation.
The bottom line, the constitutional professor's attempt to trample the constitution is what has set everyone off:
"We probably would have had ... pretty broad
support here in the Congress for the action that was taken by the
president if there had been early authorization," said Representative
David Dreier, a Republican. "I think Democrats and Republicans alike
acknowledge that this has been very, very poorly handled."
That... and everything else in the last few years.
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We're in Libya to get the recipe for authentic berber couscous
I know someone somewhere truly believes that.
Ghadafi isn't bending over? huh NATO? hah
(see below)
The military-industrial complex must be fed.
As with the bailouts - the will of the people will be ignored.
Sons and Daughters will be brought home in coffins.
Wall Street and Washington will get bonuses and kickbacks.
the african union is trying to broker a deal. they think none of the sides has a heluva lotta choice, at this point.
NATO smoked another group of rebels and had another succesful strike against civilians. NATO lost a helicopter. they said it was a drone. NATO casualties = 0.
the moQ is firing rockets into misurata, and has been counter-attacking in the area. they are dancin'.
the brits had a fun week! there were some reports that the military might be overstretched if this continued much longer. then, the PM, cameron, tells the military to STFU and fight. on thursday, the Ministry of D. puts the upper limit @ 250 million pounds, just b4 the D-mini himself, Liam Fox, waltzed into the House of Commons and said it was 260 million. hahaha! (c. $415 mil)
yest, italy called for a truce; today, NATO is beating the war drum, calling for a military victory. morgan strong leads with this, today (Paste fr. The Tripoli Post):
(Reuters) - NATO's chief on Thursday dismissed a call from Italy for a suspension of hostilities in Libya and tried to reassure wavering members of the Western coalition that Libyan leader Muammar Al Qathafi can be beaten.
Italy's ceasefire call exposed the strain on the NATO alliance, nearly 14 weeks into a bombing campaign that has so far failed to dislodge Al Qathafi but is causing mounting concerns about its financial cost and about civilian casualties.
It would be hilarious and comical if we weren't talking about people's lives. We went into Libya supposedly under the auspice of protecting Libyan citizens from their leader, but we end up causing as much or more destruction than he would have...... oh, yeah, the rebels that we are supporting...hate America and are comprised of a lot of al-qaida. In some parallel and upside down world, this might make sense, but here its just fracked up.
Used to be we fought about "isms". Our ism was better than their ism. Now we're fighting over lube.
This is a sad day when our elected dictator cannot wage war at his own desire. Surely Libya would have invaded US soil should our Nobel Peace Prize champion had not acted with haste.
Bush = 2 wars (2 too many)
Obama = 5 wars (Iraq, Afghan, Yemen, Libya, Pakistan)
Where is the outrage from Code Pink and the Left?
Where are all the little ZH lefties here who service the Kenyan-Indonesian islamic?
Right here brother. Yeah, I voted for Obama because he would end the wars, close Guantanamo bay, reign in the Banksters, help the middle class, and a host of other broken promises. I agree he lied, is a war criminal, is arrogant, and is not fiscally responsible. In other words, he continued all of GW Bush's policies. I won't make that mistake again. In fact,I may never vote again since I am leaving this war mongering nation for greener pastures. The US I love is DOA. The flag waving makes me nauseous. We do have a murderer in the White house, and a fool as well.
America: land of the 'coulda shoulda woulda'.
Obama is the best president European and Chinese money could buy.
At least you can say he stays bought.
At this point I am rooting for Gaddafi.
LOL!
i've had $20 on him, since sarko went psycho!
so, if we are not at war, h can't be brought on war crime charges. Shakespeare had it correct, IMO.
I am just impressed that the House voted against the President on this issue. Do you realize this is a first? Obama might have gotten the authorization if he'd done if first, but that's not his way. He believes in the authority of the executive branch, at least with him in charge of it.
I think this is one very small but significant blow for liberty and the rule of the Constitution. I hope it continues and grows.
I smell a second Nobel Peace prize coming.
Pretty sure if he can start a 6th front in Iran, he will even beat Dick Cheney in this category.
Also pretty sure if he can get the SPR to dump another 30m/boe on the market before the voting closes he might also be a contender for the economics prize.
Change you CAN believe in.
And a 2nd Nobel Prize for Krugman, while they're at it...
...though Krugman, incredibly, spoke truth and reality today regarding Greece (he essentially said Greek Default would be tantamount to an Argentinian Default, and that Argentina has been better off, by far and wide, since it defaulted):
Krugman 'struck' by those who say Argentina 'is no longer considered serious'Krugman is a POS and the Peronists have run Argentina into the ground for the past 60 + years. They recently took all private pensions and retirement plans from the citizens. You sound like an Obama voter and fvkktard.
Do you always talk like this? You must be a real hit as parties. Let me guess you worsip at the altar of Austrian economics and secretely wish for a collapse, wll prob not even secretley, so whatver agenda you have can have a chance of being fulfilled. And if you voted for Obama you're a fucktard. What are you if you voted for McCain. In one sentence you cry for liberty and in the next you decry anone who exercises their right to political choice and shout them down in oorder to intimidate them.
We secretly wish for your collapse. I guess it is now overt.
I’ll walk you thru this.
BIS
http://www.bis.org/country/ly.htm
Proposed Timetable
Expressions of Interest should be sent by March 30, 2010. Pre-qualified banks will be provided with an Application Package by April 15, 2010 which will have to be completed and submitted to the Central Bank by June 15, 2010.
http://www.cbl.gov.ly/pdf/Final%20Press%20Release.pdf
Then Kaboom! AU development and lack of cooperation with jerry curls began.
It is so nice living in a place now where I don't have to put up with this sort of crap from politicians.
Hang in there, it'll happen.
Barack "days not weeks" O'Bomba
Next:
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pn/2011/pn1123.htm
The internal affairs of Libya were and are none of our concern. Most Middle East countries consist of tribes that have been warring with each other for hundreds of years...we can't and shouldn't try to fix it. Congress has given him entirely too much room and should revoke the War Powers Act..... rant to follow.
(1) Barack Obummer - renounced his citizenship so he could attend an Indonesian only school. He, therefore, is not a natural born citizen anymore period. But, at this point, that is water under the bridge.... it is, though, a complete flouting of U.S. Constitutional law.
(2) Obummer doesn't really care about the Constitution (see above) because his actions speak much louder than his telepromter words. He sees himself as a monarch and/or dictator and believes he can start any war he chooses regardless of the fact that the Constitution specifically reserves this power and authority with Congress.
(3) Obummer just had a $30,000+per plate fund raising dinner with the same crooks and shysters that have raped and pilaged this country and he has no qualms about doing this type of thing. His actions continue to speak volumes about his complete lack of principles.
(4) Obummer will continue to sell his soul to get re-elected without regard to the cost to this country. He needs 2012 so that he can do away with the Constitution and initiate Martial law under some false pretense (Yes, most of the population will be clamouring for him to do so.....no fake crisis shall be wasted).
(5) Both parties suck.....because in the end.....they are all run under the same concept of screw the American public and steal what you can while you can. With few exceptions, there are few elected representatives at any level of government that really care about how to truly allow freedom to reign.
(6) Yes, Bush sucked too.
(7) Repeal the Patriot Act, fire every TSA agent, breakup Homeland Security back into separate functions and reduce the size of the federal government to its Constitutional mandates only (balanced budget would be no problem).
And suddenly, I awake from a dream and realize that no one gives a crap and America will very soon be put into debtor's prison. Hey, but as long as the band continues to play on the deck, we must be safe.
+1
I see you got junked by a 2008 Hussein voter.
These lefties on ZH really likes to keep *****ng his ***.
This isn't a politcal site. I usually only read articles here related to economics, hence why I prob have never saw you before because you have no real interest in finance, the stock market and economics.
Politics has everything to do with finance, the stock market and economics. They are all woven together in a tight ball. The motivations of various politicians for the policies they take stands for or against give an indication of who paid them the most and where the ultimate law or regulation will culminate at its conclusion. Don't forget that government, as it stands right now, represents over 40% of the GDP of this country. Also, most of the articles Tyler posts have some sort of political lead in, aspect to, or derivative of somewhere in the content. Just another perspective on your statement.
Mr. Lack of Grammar is busting my chops for misspelling a name? Simpleton.
I know exactly what is going on (beyond oil). Is there anyone that actually does not know why Libya etc.. is in play?
Totally OT, but I'm far more interested in what's happening on the Syrian-Turkish border. This little upstart of a country (Syria) is giving the finger to a big, bad NATO power (Turkey) and NATO is powerless to do anything about it at all. And the Syrians wouldn't be doing it without full permission from their paymasters at the Kremlin, whose halls, I'm sure, are filled with laughter at the old enemy's impotence. Interesting times.
How cute, an attempt to portray we still live in democratic country that is bound by its founding principles-- almost made me nostaligic for the days when it was like this, but then I realized that dream died only 100years after the US earned its independence so I couldn't have been alive then.
This is all true but it’s not getting me any closer to finding that Kim K app SheepDog referenced above. Do you have a link by chance?
All I’m saying is living in the empire is not as bad as you make it out to be… when life give you lemons, make lemonade (or download a Kardashian ass app :-)
Also, does it mean America is now officially at war with Libya?
Libya? No, we're at war with Eastasia. Always have been, always will be.
Oops, sorry didnt mean to junk, agree with you. Was trying to see who did junk you.
Just hit junk again and it will undo the junking...unlike Kardasian - her junk has been junked so much it can never be um-junked. She is disgusting really.
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