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Is The Human Race Doomed? Deutsche Bank On "One The Most Important (Future) Turning Points In History"
Discussing population dynamics in elite (or is that elitist, let's just call it Wall Street) circles has always had an aura of taboo about it, due to the inevitable degeneration of any conversation into Malthusian rhetoric, especially if one of the speakers had had a little too much to drink. And for better or worse, name-dropping Malthus does not garner brownie points, nor will it lead to another horrendous straight to HBO faux morality tale about this or that. That stigma, however (and luckily) has not prevented Deutsche Bank's Sanjeev Sanyal (yes, there are people at DB who do think originally and whose day is not taken up by trips to and fro Englewood Cliffs) from penning a must read macro analysis titled "The End of Population Growth" which we will discuss more in depth shortly, but wanted to bring readers' attention to one particular chart: namely that comparing world fertility rates in 1950-1955 and 2010-2015. The surprising implication of the below chart leads Sanyal to declare that the period set to begin in just 10 years "will be one of the most important turning points in history" simply because: "the human race will no longer be replacing itself by the early 2020s. Population growth will continue for a few more decades because of momentum from the age structure and people living longer but, reproductively speaking, our species will no longer be growing." And since global reproduction will not be net additive, it will be net subtractive... and on a long-enough timeline the world's population will drop to zero...
From Deutsche Bank:
Some fascinating clarification:
A theme that is common to the latest census data for almost all countries is that population growth is slowing for almost all countries. The population growth rate of the United States during the decade of 2000-2010 was 0.9% per annum, down from 1.2% during the nineties. In comparison, Japan and Germany saw almost zero population growth during the last decade. Nonetheless, it is the emerging economies that have seen the most dramatic deceleration in population growth. China saw its population growth rate fall to 0.56% per annum over the last decade compared to a rate of around 1% in the nineties and over 2% in the sixties and early seventies. Similarly, India’s population growth rate fell to 1.6% from a peak of 2.3% in the seventies. The growth rate for the last decade in Brazil was 1.1% and for Russia minus 0.4%. Note that these are averages for the last decade and the current pace is significantly lower in almost all cases.
At its simplest, demographic dynamics is about the relative relationship between birth rates and death rates. Typically, death rates fall first as people live longer due to improvements in nutrition, public health, medicine and so on. Birth rates fall more slowly when social attitudes gradually change, especially for women. The chronological gap between the two rates causes a population boom. Over time, however, the birth rate catches up and, in most developed countries, keeps falling past the level required to stabilize population. As being witnessed now in Japan, the population then ages rapidly and shrinks in size.
Let us look at how this cycle played itself out over the last two hundred years. For most of history, the years of life expected at birth were around 24-28years. This began to change in Europe from the late eighteenth century. By 1820, life expectation in the United States and many Western European countries has drifted up to 37-40 years range. It then drifted up to the 47-50 years range by 1900 and further to 65-70 years range by 1950. In contrast, the life expectancy in India and China barely budged from the pre-industrial equilibrium till well into the twentieth century. In 1950, China had a life expectation of 41 years and it may have been as low as 38 years in India. They now stand at around 74 and 65 years respectively. Both have some more scope for improvement as life expectancy is now in the late seventies or early eighties in most developed countries.
The decline in birth rates also began in Western Europe at the time of the Industrial Revolution. Many interrelated changes affected this – urbanization, attitudes, aspirations, literacy, female work participation and so on. France was the first place where this change took place. The number of births per 100 population dropped from 3.2 in 1820 to 2.2 in 1900. Other Western Europeans followed soon. Today, the birth rate per 100 stands at around 1 for most Western European countries. The United States had a much higher starting point and, despite sharp declines, still has a level higher than for most developed countries. In contrast, Japan had a relatively high birth rate of 3.24 in 1900 but now is at a mere 0.75 – one of the lowest in the world.
One useful way to think about trends in birth rates is to look at what is called the Total Fertility Rate (TFR). This is the average number of live births per woman over her lifetime. It is usually estimated by sampling women of child bearing age (usually defined as 15-44 years). In the long run, a population is said to be stable if the TFR is at the “replacement rate”. This is usually said to be 2.1 births per woman but in reality only developed countries can hope to keep their population stable with such a level. For developing countries, the required replacement rate is much higher because factors such as infant mortality and maternal deaths at childbirth. Thus, the replacement level of TFR is a little above 2.3 for the world as a whole.
The TFR for most developed countries now stands well below replacement levels. The OECD average is at around 1.74 but there are countries like Germany and Japan that produce less than 1.4 children per woman 5. According to the OECD’s latest estimates, South Korea has a TFR of barely 1.15 – a level that foretells rapid aging and a sharp decline in population from the 2020s. However, the biggest TFR declines in recent years have been in emerging economies. According to the UN’s population division, the TFR in China and India were 6.1 and 5.9 respectively in 1950. The ratio has now fallen to 1.8 in China due to the aggressive one-child policy and to 2.6 in India due to a steady change in social attitudes. Similarly, Brazil’s TFR has fallen to 1.7 from 6.2 in 1950. These are large declines but there is reason to believe that the underlying dynamics are driving actual birth rates down even faster than suggested by the headline TFR.
China and, to lesser extent, India have skewed gender ratios. The Chinese census suggests that there are 118.6 boys being born for every 100 girls, worsening from 116.9 in 2000. Similarly, India has a gender ratio at birth of around 110 boys for every 100 girls with large regional variations. Compare this with the “natural” ratio of 105 boys per 100 girls (notice that even the natural ratio is not exactly 1:1). A cultural preference for boys is usually held responsible for the deviation. Since it is women who give birth and not men, the future scarcity of women implies that the effective reproductive capacity for both countries is below what is suggested by the unadjusted TFR reading. After making the adjustment for the gender imbalance, China’s Effective Fertility Rate (EFR) is around 1.5 while that for India is around 2.45 – both below what is widely discussed. In other words, the Chinese are already far from replacing themselves while the Indians are only slightly above the replacement rate.
If we make the same adjustment for the world’s fertility rate, we now have an EFR of around 2.4 which is almost at the replacement rate. In our view, the human race will no longer be replacing itself by the early 2020s. Population growth will continue for a few more decades because of momentum from the age structure and people living longer but, reproductively speaking, our species will no longer be growing. This will be one of the most important turning points in history.
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Even better would be that the population of a certain tribe of very evil of beanie wearing, hooked nosed parasites drops to zero!
AzzinMouth, lead by example, please.
"the human race will no longer be replacing itself by the early 2020s"
The peak oilers are not going to like this.
On a long enough timeline, everything drops to Zero - Viagra and fake tits are the only solution.
So the global debt will fall upon a declining population that will increase the overall debt per capita. It just keeps getting worse...
The gender imbalance isw very worrisome. A lack of females has historically led to war.
While a lack of males has led to bitchy cat fights, stalled cars, and maxed-out credit cards. If you're looking for a peek at the Planet of the Amazons, look no further than the typical U.S. white-collar office.
Look at this peice of shit Wagner
dissing ZH, and his cohort the loser AP.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/problem-banks-grow-in-the-first-quarter...
Couple of Douche bags at their finest. Now I can see why their
membership has collapsed.
Ya think, Sheila? Really?
LMFAO. The understatement of the year, if not decade.
PARIS (AFP) – Sex selection of foetuses in India has led to 7.1 million fewer girls than boys up to age six, a gender gap that has widened by more than a million in a decade, according to a study released Tuesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110524/wl_sthasia_afp/healthindiachildrengirlsabortiondemography
The Human Race will continue onward. People are just tapping the brakes on the 100 MPH Camaro that is human population growth since 1945. Malian goat herders having 6.7 kids instead of 9.8 kids, Bangladeshi rag-pickers having 4.5 kids instead of 7.2 kids, etc. It's all good.
exactly, and by the way never trust statistics..
Save the elephants, kill the people.
A new refreshing take on something the TPTB tried to scare people into believing: scaricity.
We are most certainly doomed, but it isn't because of this. Try Fukushima.
I seem to recall this Fukushima that you speak of, but it must be of little consequence, as the main stream media, which I rely on for the information by which I chart my life, has not mentioned it in the past few days or even possibly a week.
/sarc
Meantime, Germany growth has probably peaked...
http://www.entendance.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=783&p=17186#p17186
Asimov predicted the apparent outcome here in his Foundation series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaria
In essence, you wind up with four or so people, a gajillion robots, and permanent trade wars that sometimes heat up into real wars.
This is when the robots are tasked with fighting the wars, and basically say, due to what will be the ability to synthethize information and learn, 'screw these fragile humans.'
That's so 1957...
Instead, what we'll end up with is one Manchurian Candidate, a small group of financial backers, and a bunch of RobotTraders calling LULU stock to 36,000...
Coming along as planned:
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
A question to ponder is the ideal size and replacement rate of the human population. You could start with a certain standard of living with reference to resource consumption, calculate the size that could be sustained by the planet in a reasonably replenishable manner, calculate the ideal replacement rate taking into account the ability to overcome population shocks such as new diseases, large scale wars, etc. I guess you could avoid getting to zero until if the planet blows up.
Also this one:
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
Puh-lease!
The millenials' addiction to technology will lead them to a house of cards precipice from which they cannot recover and there will be a mass extinction event caused by the collapse of modern civilization, not its continuance.
Fornication comes right after surviving the night and eating, and there will be real humans (natives, tribes, aboriginals) in pockets of the world who remain tethered to the Earth and reality who will do all three and repopulate the world; as long as the idiot iPud humans turned off the nukes before they gasped their last.
Have a cold beer. We'll do okay.
Okay, cracking one open for you, thanks.
We certainly face a mass extinction if we dont embrace increasing complexity.
Unless we learn to take control of geology and the universe our extinction is inevitable.
Embracing complexity and technology might lead to our extinction, but failure to achieve even greater levels of complexity guarantees our eventual demise from forces currently beyond our control.
Are we making a kamikazi run, or will we break on through to the other side we dont even know exists yet?
A caveman could not have imagined this future. I remain an optimist that what yet we cannot see may save us.
" This will be one of the most important turning points in history."
But not because the human race stopped replacing itself.
It will be because mankind and capitalism ran out of oil.
Welcome to Neofeudalism. Coming to your neighborhood in 2020.
It seems that the complete program is working -
- changing social attitudes about children and population through the media
- making abortion an acceptable choice
- severing the link between sex and child birth with birth control products
- additives in water systems to decrease sex drive (I was told that the government used to and may still put salt peter in the Singaporean water supply)
- vaccines that decrease fertility (thank you Bill Gates)
Soon there will be no workers and only parasites... what a bummer for them.
General Jack D. Ripper was probably not that paranoid about water purity:
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/repro/
"A review of fluoride toxicity showed decreased fertility in most animal species studied. The current study was to see whether fluoride would also affect human birth rates. A U.S. database of drinking water systems was used to identify index counties with water systems reporting fluoride levels of at least 3 ppm. These and adjacent counties were grouped in 30 regions spread over 9 states... Most regions showed an association of decreasing TFR [Total Fertility Rate] with increasing fluoride levels...”
http://www.fluoridation.com/sperm.htm
I can't think of a single more positive development for the Earth than if the birth rate drops down to 2. The birth rate picture that came with the post is very encouraging.
Think about it: the thinkers, the planners, the educated, the "civilized" are the ones on birth control and family planning.
The less educated, the less intelligent, the impoverished, the illiterate, the slothful, the thuggish; are breeding unencumbered by such utopian notions.
Yeah you need to look at which subpopulations are growing.
In arkansas it is the drug addicts, welfare whores, and the idiocracy. Others limit their productive capacity.
All going according to plan.
Even retards can pick cotton.
And so the Malthusian elites tend their toxic garden of atavism, its retrograde blooms a flagrant affirmation of crazed eugenic obsession.
Here's some reading material to enlighten the Huffpo junktard floating around these threads.
[Qualifier: Not a Fox News fan]
http://www.infowars.com/obama-science-czars-plan-to-sterilize-population...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obamas-science-czar-considere...
Yeah, but not because the "intelligent" are stopped from having children, but instead a cultural divide:
1. More educated and selfautonomous citizens: Prefer autonomy and lack of "dependencies", so that they can focus on their wishes and careers.
2. Less educated and MSM-intoxinated citizens: Shitty life, nothing better to do than fuck, plus the media overloads them with "SEX! SEX! SEX!".
Not really anything new. All across the globe you have this pattern, that the poor tend to have more children. There is no "conspiracy" here.... besides of a widening class gap..... it's just people who can afford it living a more "maverick" life, while the poor are stuck with "work, eat, watch tv, fuck, sleep".
One funny consequence of this is, that if you would get your "enlightment of the masses", the charts in the article would be peanuts.... you'd get one heck of a birthrate drop. So, to those who think that humans should multiply for no reason but for the sake of multiplication.... careful what you wish for, lol.
TBH, this is one of the methods how i'd fight overpopulation (besides of cash incentives). Let people live a better life and do stuff besides of the current zombiedom, and birthrates will go down.
Well, I am sure that in Americans' arrogance they believe that if this country were wiped off the earth then DOOMSDAY!! However, life would go on, probably much better than if we were here: this ignorant Spartan oriented country, with its devastating Imperialism is beyond all measure: we attack country after country without hesitation or viable reason. We murder families redundant with no honest concern, and with blithe nonchalance--and convince people here in America that in so doing it is for the American dream, to protect our shores, and to contain our freedoms and liberties.
Total bullshit. America, in its greedy quest has destroyed this world. Hopefully, but not unfortunately, it will destroy itself. Pity us. But, I will give everything to see and share this destruction to the benefit of places I love: Barcelona, Sydney, Mexico City, Stockholm, and many many others.
There are only 300million of us. Are you saying we are that awesome?
Damn. We're number one!
Idiot.
Rodent and DosZap, I invite you both to email me at my name at gmail if you want to visit my new blog! Because I am using my real name at my blog, please convince that you are who you say. My first real article is already up: TEOTWAWKI.
Love ya, DoChen, but I need to stay anonymous for when I raise my mutant armies to launch them against the zombies, come the apocalypse.
Governments hate that for some reason.
If you want to verify that someone actually is whom he claims, the only thing you need to ask him, is to make a specific post in a specific thread. At that point, you have verified that the person emailing you is the same person (or in a worst case "persons") who use that ZH-account.
And I'm sure the grateful masses will build many statues and offer prayers to your noble sacrifice in such lovely places like Mexico City and CowShitHuts, Djibouti.
Do us all a favor, get the blind cords down and pull a Carradeine, idiot.
Incredibly stupid comment. "destroyed the world." "Imperialism beyond all measure?" Sensational much?
What about the British empire that literally spanned nearly the entire globe? I'd say thats a bit LARGER. I'm not necessarily defending the bullshit that has been done by america in the past but give some fucking credit where credit is due.
Nazi fucking Germany cross your mind at all?
For the Blame America First crowd, no, nothing else does cross their mind.
QED.
While I'm only slightly arguing your statement, I generally hate this "blame america first" generalization statement. It is the kind of statement that shuts down debate and arguments.
I've spent decades listening to that crap spouted by the hypocrites of Europe, and the rest of the America hating world. I don't have any patience left.
Now the home grown socialists, and useful idiots are on the bandwagon.
Fuck them all. 99.9% will be slaves under the socialist NWO. I try hard to keep caring, but I almost look forward to the horror they will one day feel.
Ignoring that american nazi RF, the thing with "blame america first" is that in recent history, the USA indeed had the most significant influence on the planet. That however shouldn't be treated as "blame the USA and we're done", because this wouldn't be true. While the USA may have the biggest share, it definatelly isn't the only one, if only because it takes two (or a few more) to tango.
Or shorter version: Yes USA had biggest impact, but others matter too, especially when it comes to discussions how others should respond to the USA.
I'm no "flag waving patriot" but your post is a "tad over the top".... to make sweeping implications that all Americans' are arrogant demonstrates "your hubris", hence the junk.
Boy, reading an article on ZH about the fact that there are more dudes born that girls is bad enough. However I just realized how even more depressing it is while listening to '80s goth rock ('Sisters of Mercy' for those even remotely interested).
I need a drink - damn not late enough yet. ;)
Was just listening to it on the iPod, Truth. Rockin' song. I've missed the video however, it's been a long time since I've seen it..thanks!
Just reading this listening to The Cult and playing with my delivery of new Maples. God they look good amongst all those cute Pandas and Eagles and little shiny bars....
World population decreasing! Let me off this island and I will soon get it going again.
I've shagged everything here, it's about the only thing I would consider trading silver for.
I think it's all pish really, another gerry agenda to confuse the sheep.
Trillax, no prob.
Ag1761m here's a shout out to you:
The Cult - Wild FlowerBut they are mostly Chinese dudes, so they probably won't be swimming here to take your bitches away from you anytime soon.
Give up the bitchez, as long as they bring Pandas
Well, dude, you need to read further. More boys, big deal. They can't reproduce: rocks numb.
breeding pens bitches
Soylent Green, bitchez!
Is The Human Race Doomed? And if so how can you profit from it?
fixed
Mexico City and Barcelona, and Stockholm and Copenhagen are awesome cities. I have not seen their like in America. Nor will I. Strip malls prevail. In the meantime, you all need to get some education, which, obviously you lack, due to our system here.
Welcome, trolls, to what we have created for you.
Personally i like the open, uncrowded urban milieu we have created in the usa.
I dont like old, dirty, polluted cities that are crowded. I will take our malls and open spaces thank you. Nor do I like their less polluted less dirty scandinavian versions.
Your arrogance causes you to misperceive a difference in values as a lack of education.
Sorry, TmFreak. You must have gone to school in America after 1960: your problem, obviously. You need to settle down, get focused, and think about things (this, if you are responding). Put you little penis back in its sheath, refer to your brain, if it is there, and listen to what people are saying, rather than living in your little, ignorant, small world.
Sorry, TmFreak. You must have gone to school in America after 1960: your problem, obviously. You need to settle down, get focused, and think about things (this, if you are responding). Put you little penis back in its sheath, refer to your brain, if it is there, and listen to what people are saying, rather than living in your little, ignorant, small world.
Birth rates are down? Not as many goddamn people in the future?
This is the best news I've read all month!
Bunch of Death Worshippers.
Know who your friends really are:
Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.
The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?
These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy,
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
Interesting stuff - is the original study available on line ?
Very Flawed Argument:
1. Prior to the 1940's the Child mortality rate was very high. Only 1 out of 4 children survived to adulthood. Parents simple had more children because they often died.
2. The world is grossly over populated. The World can only sustain about 1 Billion people with access to modern living standards. We need to have much fewer children, unfortunately we are past the point of no return and will undoubtly experience a massive die off. I won't worry about declining fertiality, I would worry about the next global war, the next spanish flu epidemic, or the pending energy\food crunch.
3. People are simply choosing to have few children. It doesn't have anything to due with fertiality of humans.
I hardly think there is any cause for concern. 7 billion people is a lot, it would be better for the world if there was say, 4 billion. It would be better for the entire universe if there was 0 billion, a reachable goal.
OK this is a must see.
You know the world is in the shits when the OECD rates the United States #7 for Better Life Index and starts rating countries by "Percent of people without indoor flushing toilets"
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/oecd-better-life-index-2011-5#7-united-states-5#ixzz1NItEGZp6Stick to Banking, Assholes
Because you don't know dick about population biology...
This is the kind of fallacy and logically invalid analysis a world full of "experts" gets you...
The anlysis leaves out Islamic populations! they continue to breed
And most strongly in western welfare states.
Heh.
I like this, but for very different reasons. I understand the sentiment, but I don't subscribe to the Malthusian crap that gave birth to eugenics and Nazism, nor the wholesale sterilization to start over.
I regard myself as a humanist - I like people generally - and therefore this article is the best news I've read in awhile. As the pressure of population growth eases, humanity has a chance to concentrate on the quality, rather than the quantity of life.
If you don't like Margaret Sanger or Nazi Eugenicists, you are certainly no Liberal Progressive Democrat.
No worries... the turning point will come because your childs will be your future pension... I recommend to all US Gov. employees to take ASAP action. For those who need some assistance, fell free to contact DSK.
Is it even possible that the population growth rate could be decreasing because increased prosperity in the developing world? Maybe as farming and agricultural communities move from hut to house, they no longer need 12-15 children to maintain a farm? Just a guess. Greater prosperity always comes with increased efficiency. If the world is more efficient at producing food, a lot of you think that human beings will just continue reproducing at the same rate like modeling some single-cell organism. Maybe they free themselves up into doing something besides producing food to sustain themselves.
The greatest correlation with lower birth rates is increasing levels of female education regardless of availability of birth control.
We must spend aggressively to give third world females an education.
well, I guess there is ZERO HEDGE to avoid this.
"Scuse me, I belched.
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions. -- A. Hitler
Interesting comments over resource constraints and i agree we sometimes have different.definitions which makes argument.difficult but
All life exists in a dynamic "semi stable" disequilibria. Resource constraints are real, but also dynamic and flexible.
The problem is we dont know when we might bump into a resource constraint to population growth that, while in theory is dynamic and.moveable, becomes a hard constraint long enough to cause a collapse of population and collapse of complexity. Some constraints may not giveway as fast as necessary.
I dont see how cornucopians and collapsaholics have such firm convictions because their beliefs are not evidence based, but faith based.
Would be interesting to see the fluctuations in the rate of growth both in population and per capita energy consumption through say the last 5000 years, but doubt that the thin data and extrapolation can have a greater legitimacy than the DB study.
Still, would make a nice graph / map or two.
I have seen that somewhere, but it is confounded by efficiency so that we have had periods of high growth with stable energy consumption. However we need a construct such as "energy expenditure efficiency units" to strip out the effects of either total energy or productivity improvements and try to view each in isolation as well as together
Somehow everything comes down to Fucking, Fire and Fiat.
edit btw in Ian Morris' "why the west rules for now" there is a similar "graph" on energy consumption, not sure if it's per capita.
Hum.... a new kind of propaganda, this will entertain us from the last boring one.
Elite want to reduce human population, they are only posing some poles before you get the full show. Stay tune.
What would Devo do?
Easy... You run in circles, till you drop dead...
Use your FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVoroHx3IU
"A victim of collision on the open sea
Nobody ever said life was free
Sink, Swim, Go down with the ship
Use your FREEDOM OF CHOICE"
Freedom FROM choice... Is what you want...
& before you go to bed... remember to say your prayers and keep reminding yourself that...
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WORLD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56u6g0POvo0&feature=related
no junk here
(Devo is the only thing that makes this crap bearable to me.)
oh yeah....my little stack of silver and gold too...
my precious
Maybe if we had a different economic structure we could support 12 billion people. But we don't so some people need to put that thing back in their pants.
Interesting juxtaposition, this article with Netanyahu's speech talking about how the Israeli's have a 3.0 fertility rate (i.e. greatly increasing population).
You have to watch out for people who think they will be living in an underground shelter with 15 fertile women per male.
That was Dr Strangelove's hope at the end of the film by the same name, mein Fuhrer.
DUMP ISRAEL before it's too late!
Dump Europe before it is too late.
I think you're out of luck, isahole. Netanyahu's speech this afternoon was very well received. Some said it was the best speech by a foreign leader on U.S. soil in decades -- and laid the basis for a whole new generation of U.S.-Israeli cooperation.
He's also giving interviews today - was neat to hear Benjamin talk about his time growing up in Philly (high school), and memories of his brother who was a commando on the team that executed the Entebbe raid. Very cool stuff.
Hmmmm
I think this says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcMM_uyFHM
The Islamification of the world.
Ozzie Scott
"In other words, the Chinese are already far from replacing themselves while the Indians are only slightly above the replacement rate."
This doesn't haver to do with replacing oursselves, Dude. This has to do with replacing crude oil.
Duh.
DosZap, email me at my name at gmail if you would like to visit my new blog. It is in my real name, that is why I do not post it here. Tell me enough so I know it is you. My first article is up: TEOTWAWKI.
Gotta love that creepy Bill Gates. IMO none surpass him in the creep factor. This guy LOVES vaccines and is ferverent that all African children should be vaccinated. He is also the founder of the Good Club which has it's number one priority as population control.
A good reason NOT to vaccinate your children is simply that Bill Gates wants you to.
even MORE that Saint Warren is "in" on the idea...
Interesting. We've had four, three are living. We'll start trying for our fifth in about a year.
At Mass on Sunday, I sat in a pew with a family of 9 children, from teens down to a newborn.
I guess it will just be us Catholics and the Muslims left to fight it out.
Catholics are gonna lose.
That social liberalism is gonna get you.
10 years ago, I would agree with you. There is a growing undercurrent of orthodoxy among those 40 and under, though. A battle is brewing within the Church between those who hold to doctrine and those who see Catholicism as a means to the "social justice" end.
There is an Eastern Orthodox priest that damn near converted me. After all the horror the Church caused in Central America with its Liberation Theology, I am gun shy.
I'm not a fan of organized religion, trending closer to Thoreau, but WTF, you're buying into the religious war divide that the globalists are counting on to occupy the time, focus and energy of the masses while they run their program.
Do a lot more independent thinking and try to see beyond the scam. It's not even a new or novel scam. It's the one they always resort to, whether Catholics vs Protestants, Muslims vs Jews, Republicans vs Democrats, Socialists vs [Insert non-Socialist group dependent on nation-state here], etc.
Tongue meet cheek. Relax!
Breeding bitches!
This is actually good news, IMHO. It illustrates a soft-landing scenario for population growth. Endless exponential growth must eventually end. The only questions are when, why, and how much? Malthusian cleansing is great fun to talk about on the Internet but I'd hate to face it in real-life. If human beans can control themselves enough to simply back off on their breeding tendencies, and let the population naturally fall, Malthus can be correct _and_ we can have a soft landing.
It also illustrates pricing for scarcity working its way through the market. Despite ez credit and the fantasies of the endless-growth people, scarcity in so many dimensions is crowding in on us. At best you will find this manifested as rat-race, which happens to be most prevalent in the developed world. As population declines, and the world begins to open up again, it will be a better place to spread out and have more kids again. No way p drops to zero just because people get bored with bangin'.
Amen - this natural decline has been baked into the cake for some # of years, and almost nobody talks about it. We don't need global elites or their lackeys shooing us into the death chambers, and any attempts to do so will be dealt with as the venal undertakings they are, not as some noble sacrifice to 'save humanity' (or, even more ludicrous, to 'save the planet').
On a long enough life span the need to use condoms drops to zero...
Under a welfare state, the need to use a condom is equal to zero.
Be an alpha. Let the proles pay to raise your bastard.
Or falls off when put on. (ask Durden about that)
Mark Steyn wrote a book "America Alone" discussing this issue. For those that don't know, Steyn is brilliant and VERY funny. Great read
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A global population target of 8 billion by 2050 is realistic. Current global GDP is approx. $60 Trillion in real terms. At a 5% compound interest growth rate this would equate to $383 Trillion by 2050. If 5% sounds high think Africa and South America. The collective GDP of Israel, Gaza, The West Bank/Judea and Samaria, Jordan, Lebanon. Egypt and Saudi Arabia is only $1.6. Trillion.
By 2050 the avergae GDP per capita would be $47,875. If violence had well and truly been eradicated and there were no nuclear weapons hanging over the world then you could almost call it Ganeden.
So World Peace by 2050 is not just an esoteric idea.
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> Human Race Doomed?
A lot of animal life will be thinking 'Good riddance!'
planet earth too
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