HY ETF Flash Crash Prevented In Last Minute By 3 PM Market Ramp

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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:01 | 1375652 Coxxy
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There has been an arb here for 3 days, can't believe it took this long to pick it up.  HCDX16 was extremely cheap spread to HYG/JNK for the last three days. 

All it takes is a lack of liquids for these to come out.  When you only have 5-6 trades on the cash side and 300 on the synethic side something has to give.  Full disclosure I did clean this out and these aren't the greatest shorting vehicles because of the carrying costs. 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:02 | 1375657 RobotTrader
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Not much ramping in EUR or AUD.

Probably just some Algos that had to puke up some blood for a few hours.

CRB Index still weak, dollar still strong.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:09 | 1375679 Tyler Durden
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Actually, wrong.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:43 | 1375768 SwingForce
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No such thing as Quad witching, futures expire at close today, settled w/ open in cash tomw.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:58 | 1375815 SheepDog-One
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Robo youre the most ridiculous poster ever.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:06 | 1375663 The Axe
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market feels washed out for the time being....got to ramp it up for expiration

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:10 | 1375682 RobotTrader
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I agree.

Bandwagoning puts and the inverse funds has been a no-brainer for days on end.

I say we rally hard soon, probably back up to the declining 50-day EMA, then that will be the place to look at more shorts.

Bears have done great the last 30 days, but now they are pressing their bets too hard.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:17 | 1375700 Josh Randall
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RIOT DOG pisses on your Uncle Gorilla

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 17:13 | 1375855 SwingForce
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Wha? Magilla?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:27 | 1375715 Highrev
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Beautiful ping off the 200dma on the SPX and the RUT. (Also at very important horizontal pivot support, but momo is telling me that whatever bounce we get should be short lived and we should get a retest.)

It's the S&P that still rules the roost.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:23 | 1375716 Dr. No
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But we will get oil down to $85. USO broke support that $38 support.  Went long ERY to see how low it goes.  Hard rally?  will need some serious good news to drive a rally, dont know where it will come from.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:52 | 1375789 SwingForce
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Yes RT yes, experiment over. Time to rewind the coils. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YnPJNgrunc&playnext=1&list=PLE18C6B7985FAD71F

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:59 | 1375820 SheepDog-One
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The only no brainer around here is you Robo.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:03 | 1375664 Robslob
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And Robo still junkposting...all is well and normal for yet another day!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 17:11 | 1375860 SwingForce
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Why, becuz he/she/it is the only one here who doesn't drink the PM Kool-Aid? 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:14 | 1375680 Franken_Stein
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Time to drink more Kool-Aid

at the tinfoil hat brigade.


Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:16 | 1375697 Big Mac
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Look at the history for HYG. Actually a worse candle on 5/06/2010 and a worse tail on 11/24/2010. Looks like the algos love to gun the stops on the uninitiated. Double digit % total returns in up trends if you kept out of the volatility downdrafts.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:20 | 1375699 Franken_Stein
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We see a flash crash with "milk III" at the CME.

Down by 8.86 %.


Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:44 | 1375701 Highrev
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Tough job that one of manipulating FX. It takes a CB to be sure, and what's the half-life?

Nasty daily shaping up on the USD though. Let's see how it closes.


Add: Wow, the EUR/USD just keeps going.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 17:15 | 1375862 slewie the pi-rat
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it is really moo-ving? 

here is a gata piece re:  PPT Law of...

...1934?   The ESF: Headquarters of gold rigging -- and all U.S. covert operations too? | Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee


Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:18 | 1375704 buzzsaw99
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I assumed the smallness of the junk (heh) spread was due to the bernanke put. Bennie will buy them if it all goes to pot sez I. Nobody (read everyone) loses on Bennie's watch.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:19 | 1375705 The Axe
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going watch Phil screw-up another US open...kind of like my trading..long 100 CAT 92.50 calls June...looking for a big up day friday  baby....short-covering   and greed should do the trick.....Miller-Time.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:27 | 1375714 The Axe
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Look that's like a double-boogie

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:33 | 1375724 chump666
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asian central banks were buying eur on asia's close.  obliviously that contiued on europe and us opens, then traders hedge on US markets. desperate.  it's a bull trap that should sell into asia's open 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 16:32 | 1375732 chump666
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most crosses are weak... just a market hedge ala US 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 17:00 | 1375823 SheepDog-One
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Well it seems theyre having to go all out daily to prevent a crash...gee lets see how long they can do that for. Masters of denial.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 19:15 | 1376133 The Fonz
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I am a bit worried that they are only thinking they need to hold on until the FOMC meeting... if that FOMC meeting doesn't give the market some crack, then the market will either go down or reveal itself to be unable to react to reality even without publicly admited stimulous.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 19:01 | 1376095 oogs66
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ugh, i was too busy celebrating spx down that i missed this and then too busy crying that i missed the spy ramp.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 19:08 | 1376096 chump666
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Investors went short the Nasdaq and bought positions on the Dow, confusing trade

Oh yeah the history of CBs manipulating FX is awful, good for like a few days - max, then the hedge funds regain control again.

As ZH is correctly pointing out liquidity is on the rise in bearish conditions, what does that mean...major short selling.


Thu, 06/16/2011 - 19:12 | 1376125 oogs66
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ZH was way ahead of the weakness in HY bonds.  It is not done yet.  How many hedge funds can really experience a 2% down month when all they were trying to do was make 7%.  Oops, wait, they were leveraged so they could make 10% after their 2 and 20.   So probably 3 times levered.  Down 6% mtd when goal was 10% net to investors.  this only ends badly.

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