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IAEA Says "There Might Be Re-Criticality At Fukushima"

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Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:35 | 1117107 Racer
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More great news for the Sh!t & P[ss

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:37 | 1117133 Ident 7777 economy
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Report form yesterday -

http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1301489625P.pdf

Of course, without an engineering degree those numbers and the units they're in are just going to look like more Japanese script to the average layman ...

Extract of the above document showing just the 'pressures':

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2v7ukgi.jpg

Summarizing : The only reactor showing any positive 'pressure' (and not presumably leaking) are #1 Reactor vessel and #1 Containment vessel ...

#2 and #3 both show close to atmospheric pressure for their Reactor and Containment vessels ...

Reactor pressure excerpt, bigger image:

http://oi54.tinypic.com/358o3yr.jpg

 

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:49 | 1117163 PhattyBuoy
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Like the Negative (-) water levels. Bone dry core pools.

Is that a negative pressure on #2?

Negative pressure on part of #3 also ...

Ya, like those eggs aren't busted ...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:48 | 1117207 Ident 7777 economy
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They report, we decide - could be bad reading, could be within the tolerance of whatever back-up instrument they are using ... also note they are showing both 'Guage' (relative to atmoshphere at .101 MPaAbs) and 'Absolute' readings ...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:02 | 1117299 PhattyBuoy
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The water levels should be positive numbers, at least 1000+.

Look at the pressure for #1.

#2 & #3 pressure should be comparable.

Some people still think the #2 &#3 pressures are normal ...  absolute BS !

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:09 | 1117358 Ident 7777 economy
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#2 and 3 have been screwed for weeks now, judging by the numbers in the reports that these guys have been posting:

http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/index.php

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:19 | 1117402 PhattyBuoy
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Yes you are correct.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:07 | 1117661 divide_by_zero
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This flyover video got yanked from most websites right after posting(Yomiori Daily copyright), check out especially at 3:00 and on of #3, these things are toast. Very high quality stabilized video.

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ac_1301263689

 

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:20 | 1117744 Don Birnam
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Excellent footage. There still exists a considerably steady flow of steam emanating from these reactors.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:49 | 1117943 divide_by_zero
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At 3:05 what appears to be the RPV cockedup against the wall(bottom half maybe) at least from the building schematics that are online.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1118341 Commander Cody
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Unit 4 reactor head.  Unit 4 was defueled for maintenance at the time of the earthquake/tsunami.  The reactor head sits on a stand on the refueling floor when removed.  Not a significant aspect.

What is significant is that it appears that the containment dome blew out of the Unit 3 reactor and little appears to be left of the refueling floor, its equipment and the spent fuel pool.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:54 | 1119076 whoopsing
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Look closer,that blown out dome and head are in the same building-#3,also notice a lapse of 1 minute in the footage that was cut out.Other that that you are right CC

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1118203 Antarctico
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Good find -- this is one of the clearest videos I have seen.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 15:32 | 1118437 CD
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Minor & not unexpected detail, in the grand scheme of things -- but unusual for IAEA to admit to problems:

 

IAEA worried about radiation in Japan village

VIENNA — Radiation levels recorded at a village outside the evacuation zone around the quake-striken Fukushima nuclear plant are above safe levels, the UN atomic watchdog said Wednesday.

The International Atomic Energy Agency said safe limits had been exceeded at Iitate village, 40 kilometres (25 miles) northwest of Fukushima, well outside the government-imposed 20 kilometre exclusion zone and the 30-kilometre "stay indoors" zone.

[...]

 

According to Elena Buglova, head of the IAEA's Incident and Emergency Centre, the reading in Iitate village was 2 megabecquerels per square metre. 

That was a "ratio about two times higher than levels" at which the agency recommends evacuations, she explained.

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ggEDd3a7F7myZHkDkvyogDMF3Jcg?docId=CNG.05699daf45628fa5b4755fac509ba9e5.2e1

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 15:51 | 1118526 Lapri
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Thanks for the link! Yomiuri apparently asserted copyright, but that video was taken directly from the Self Defense Force's Youtube channel.

My guess: Yomiuri did it for TEPCO. Why? TEPCO is their big advert customer.

Check out my post on Japan's Advertising Council and how many utility companies sit on the board.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/7-electric-power-companies-sit-on-boa...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:04 | 1117310 Hard1
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Dunno for sure what re-criticality is, but sounds bullish for Netflix to me

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:38 | 1117519 stormsailor
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absolutely bullish,  all those new people signing up with netflix to rent the china syndrome and silkwood.

 

i believe we knew of re-criticality last thursday when neutron beams were reported on site.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:41 | 1117521 stormsailor
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.  friggin captcha,  ask what 64 plus 65 is, and then says it cannot be 3 digits? wtf

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:54 | 1117968 mick_richfield
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81 hexadecimal ?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:13 | 1118457 1fortheroad
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Stocks Gain as Radiation rises Less Than Feared- AB

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:18 | 1117361 CD
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For anyone able to make sense of complicated calculations, there is an interesting perspective from researcher whom I gather to be a physicist - supporting the criticality thesis. Based on comments in article about obsessing with the Fukushima crisis, possibly a fellow ZH-er.

Linked from TIME blog:

http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/03/30/has-fukushimas-reactor-no-1-gone-critical/

Original article:

http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/files/2011/03/Cause_of_the_high_Cl38_Radioactivity.pdf

 

 

 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:35 | 1117428 Ident 7777 economy
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From the blog posting:

On March 23 ... report by Kyodo news agency .... observed a neutron beam about 1.5 km away from the plant. Bursts of neutrons in large quantities can only come from fission

To nuclear workers, there are few events more fearful than a criticality accident.

In such a scenario, the fissile material in a reactor core--be it enriched uranium or plutonium--undergoes a spontaneous chain reaction, releasing a flash of aurora-blue light and a surge of neutron radiation; the gamma rays, neutrons and radioactive fission products emitted during criticality are highly dangerous to humans.

Criticality occurs so rapidly--within a few fractions of a second--and so unpredictably that it can suddenly kill workers without warning. There have been 60 criticality incidents worldwide since 1945. The most recent occurred in Japan in 1999, at an experimental reactor in Tokai, when a beam of neutrons killed two workers, hospitalized dozens of emergency workers and nearby residents, and forced hundreds of thousands to remain indoors for 24 hours.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:48 | 1117927 trav7777
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was unaware of any Cl38 in the seawater...but the point remains.

Neutrons only come from fission and there isn't enough Pu240 to do this.  Pellets + water = critical.

they are going to need a lot more borax.

random fission inside the reactor would be like normal operation of it; that portion of the article is erroneous.  If the reactor vessel is breached and pellets are outside of containment (SFPs hint), then you will see neutrons.

I have to wonder if they were borating the water being sprayed onto the fuel ponds.  These would seem to be the most likely source of stray neutrons.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:55 | 1117972 Reptil
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Good find!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:06 | 1117193 TomJoad
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Numbers coming out of Fukushima are more massaged than a prize (slightly radioactive) Kobe steer. More bullish too, since this means the power shortages are solved as well, either via re-criticality or depopulation.

 

Jump! You Bankster Fuckers!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:37 | 1117123 Cdad
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Oh man...and I've been doing my due diligence on companies that make blown up nuclear reactor hats.  Tyler, you really messed me up on this one...right when I found one company that used tin foil instead of wool.

Shit!  I simply cannot get a break!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:38 | 1117126 Just Observing
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"If indeed the reactor has gone critical again, the whole concrete dome idea may have to be promptly scrapped."

 

And do WHAT ?? Just haul ass out of there ?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:57 | 1117263 knukles
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Damn.  I missed when it got uncritical. 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:15 | 1117383 Mad Max
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And do WHAT ?? Just haul ass out of there ?

Pull out and nuke it from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.

No, I never heard of collateral damage.  Is that when your lien isn't filed properly?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:37 | 1117128 malikai
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Tyler, what's the source for that?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:39 | 1117131 Tyler Durden
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Bloomberg

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:47 | 1117185 malikai
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IAEA hasn't updated their own news since yesterday.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:48 | 1117201 bob_dabolina
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money talks

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:49 | 1117194 SignsAndWonders
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Protip, bullet point list in all caps = Bloomberg.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:57 | 1117608 malikai
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I know. I was trying to find the 'source', not the repeater. But it doesn't matter. When it's substantiated, I'll know.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:36 | 1117129 SheepDog-One
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This goes from 'reactor melted out of the containment' to 'all is well, we got this' hour to hour.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:01 | 1117287 Stormdancer
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They told us of radiation levels "10 million times normal.." and indicated massive amounts of Iodine 134 were the cause just a couple days ago.

That was very quickly "corrected" to a mere "100,000" times normal and "must have been some other isotope..." (without bothering to name it).

Something has been fissioning at least intermittently for days.  Since so much of the extreme radiation seems to emanate from reactor 2, and reactor 2 is now rumoured to have dumped it's load into the drywell...I reckon we're forced to consider the possibility that there is a molten pile of core contents sitting there spitting out fission by products.

 

TEPCO NEWS RELEASE - For Widest Dissemination

 

"We regret to inform you that an unanticipated transient event in our Public Relations Unit control room has resulted in an uncontrolled release of the truth.  Please ignore this one time event and remain confident that nothing that has happened since March 11th represents any kind of threat to human health.  Thank You.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:10 | 1117693 SheepDog-One
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They run out to 'correct' the data, all the while saying 'So sorry, mistake, theres no problem here, please keep buying our food exports'. NAH theyre not lying or anything!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:11 | 1117694 MayIMommaDogFac...
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This goes from 'reactor melted out of the containment' to 'all is well, we got this' hour to hour.

rock-a-bye-baby, on the treetop...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:37 | 1117132 Oh regional Indian
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Good grief. So much song and dance when reality is staring us in the face.

I think lies and radioactivity are spewing at the same rate from in and around Fukushima. And both have loooong half lifes and tiney amounts can and will kill you.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/sex-unnatural-oxymoron-and-comment-streams-of-consciousness/

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 13:09 | 1117689 SheepDog-One
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Screw the haters ORI, I totaly agree! I laugh at those who run to the lying spinners in govt and media for solace. 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:38 | 1117139 assumptionblindness
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Fuk-u-shima seems most appropriate.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:40 | 1117141 williambanzai7
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Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:42 | 1117148 malikai
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I shouldn't have, but I did lol.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:47 | 1117198 rosiescenario
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....I now have 3 balls and have opened a pawn shop....all is well with me...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:58 | 1117266 yabyum
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Do you have a guy in a chicken oufit w/sign "we  buy gold and silver" or did he already die of some rare cancer?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:55 | 1117214 Jay Gould Esq.
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Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:51 | 1117220 DoChenRollingBearing
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THAT would be a great t-shirt, wb7!

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Wed, 03/30/2011 - 11:55 | 1117254 Jay Gould Esq.
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