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If The Mountain Will Not Come To The Muhammad, The Revolution Will Come To Saudi Arabia On March 20
With the facebook revolutions having claimed virtually every other country in the region, the time may be coming for that most important one of all. And if Facebook is to be relied on for its revolutionary calendar, a job it has so far done without reproach, the revolutionary wave will come to Saudi Arabia on March 20.That will also the day crude passes $200.
Also, instead of just announcing their rallying call, future protestors have listed their 12 demands:
1 – a constitutional monarchy between the king and government.
2 – a written constitution approved by the people in which governing powers will be determined.
3 – transparency, accountability in fighting corruption
4 – the Government in the service of the people
5 – legislative elections.
6 – public freedoms and respect for human rights
7 – allowing civil society institutions
8 – full citizenship and the abolition of all forms of discrimination.
9 – Adoption of the rights of women and non-discrimination against them.
10 – an independent and fair judiciary.
11 – impartial development and equitable distribution of wealth.
12 – to seriously address the problem of unemployment
Since none of these have a chance of going through in an absolute monarchy, things are about to get really hot.
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Things getting hot in a dessert...good one!
Cherries Jubilee?
If the petrodollar collapses, I'd assume China would also take that opportunity to dump its dollar reserves.
Jubilee all the debt preemptively. Why not? The chaos of a US default can't be any worse than a dollar collapse. Oil disruptions are likely either way. At least this way we could try to manage it ourselves instead of having it dictated to us.
In a Debt as Money system, Jubilee = Default = Dollar collapse.
Unless you've actually seen B52 Ben loading paper script onto dipenser wings, digital dumplings don't do it.
Debt default is different than hyperinflation (dollar collapse). Defaulting would cause asset price collapses, but the dollar would be more likely to retain value. Inflating props up asset prices, but makes it more likely the dollar collapses to valueless.
Correct. If debt=money, extinguishing debt=deflation.
For those still scratching their heads, watch the excellent video "Money as Debt" by Paul Grignon.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Modern_Money_Mechanics.pdf
Sorry I'm confused, what really is the value of dollar?
the dollar is worth about one federal reserve note.
You mean paper+ink or something else I don't know of?
A pound of pubic hair would cover it.
Barely.
Get it? Barely?
;)
I am Chumbawamba.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N8nWexJ2pY -- it's five minutes, but it's worth it if you haven't seen it.
In a Debt as Money system, Jubilee = Default = Dollar collapse.
Those so called "assets", bankers assets, become worthless. The banks become even more insolvent and less able to lend. So you assert Ben's digital presses crank up even harder to take onto his balance sheet discredited (pun intended) debt?
How is it you maintain that the dollar would be more likely to retain value? Printed currency might.
If it were a pure fiat, yes, there might be some chance of value being retained. But when "asset" prices collapse beginning with the "fixed income" side, tilting "balanced portfolios" out of balance, equities are sold to rebalance, driving down equities, leading to the spiral witnessed in '08. Leverage is a bitch.
Moreover, defaulted loans assure the transperancy of bankster insolvency, no accounting gimmicks cover that up.
Under that situation Ben cannot buy the trash he bougt last time, because 1) he already has it and it is worthless, and 2) the curtain has been pulled back revealing for all the emperor has no clothes, there are no "assets" on Ben's balance sheet. If this would not be the ultimate confidence evaporator, I don't know what would be.
Ultimately, the value of the dollar collapses, welcome to Weimar. so again, how is it "but the dollar would be more likely to retain value"?
First must analyze underlying assets v. stock of monetary scrip. Then perhaps some tweaking from the 'powers that be'. But ultimately the value is the value, and the amount of scrip needs to be assessed against the value of underlying assets. Which is why measuring v. gold or loaves of bread or barrels of oil can be illuminating.
Central banks and their allied banks will fail if their objective is fraud. The market will out.
So take a simpler example first: I have a loan against a $100 toy house. You hold the loan/collateral rights. Too many toy houses get made so the house goes to $50 in value. I default. In the first instance, you are hosed and the currency's value changes not one iota. The asset has reverted to its intrinsic value and everyone acted rationally. You do, by the way, own a $50 toy house now.
You panic and ask Daddy Bernankbux for another $50 to 'make you whole' and a $10 bonus because you are bunk buddies. He falls over himself to oblige you.
Now it turns out that you are the only bank in the playroom. I already spent the $100 you gave me to begin with, so it's circulating with that nasty Sally girl. With the bailout, there's now $160 in the playroom. In principal everything now inflates, so the toy house itself is now worth $80. Which is nice because you still have the whole $60 Daddy gave you. But then you go to buy a lollipop.....or a plastic gold coin from the pirate chest....
Meanwhile, more toy houses are coming on the market as more kids default....
This is why socializing losses destroys the economy. Now get out of my sight and stay out of trouble!
Because under default, with the insolvent banks going under, stock prices collapsing, and all those things you describe, the quantity of dollars notional will drastically plummet. The money supply will be much smaller, ceteris paribus, debt-deflation will mean dollars buy more. This is the primary argument the deflationists are giving- that Bernanke will be unable to paper over the completely insolvent system. Generally opposite from this is the hyperinflationist view that Bernanke is trapped and/or has already printed so much money that hyperinflation is assured.
I will agree with you to a certain sense that you could actually get both if, for example people completely lose all confidence and refuse to trade in dollars any more. But sovereign default makes hyperinflation much less likely than continuing to print to finance the economy.
If the petrodollar collapses, I'd assume China would also take that opportunity to dump its dollar reserves.
We might look back on that fruit vendor in Tunisia as the black swan that everyone anticipated, no one could have possibly specifically identified. Most interesting.
sunny
crepes Suzette, for preference.
conveniently a day after option expiration....
Maybe we could get a few of those items in the US?
meet you at the barricades near the Federal Reserve building
You misspelled "Guantanamo." ;-)
I revolted, protested, got shot at and rioted in the streets and all I got was this blood-soaked t-shirt.
Don't forget, American police would shoot their own citizens on command. My brother-in-law who is a Green Beret told me, they were trained to kill on demand and in one proposed scenario, to kill an entire town. They would all do it in an instant because they were trained.
Skinner would have called it 'conditioning'....ultraviolent movies and games, etc. all pointing the same direction. But massive nonviolent action can stop any war machine...if certain conditions are met.
The U.S. trained a significant portion of the Egyptian military. Sure they would not balk at wiping out an Afghani village, but any old town in the U.S.? I'm going to go with... no.
You mean all of those police the MSM grovel over and remind you how esteemed they are? Those heroes of traffic enforcement and fat pensions? Naw, say it isn't so...
"meet you at the barricades near the Federal Reserve building"
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Is it just me, or do you know this document is non-Saudi based on bullets 8 & 9?
With an emphasis on 9
It does make you say "hmmm."
Just saw that King Abdullah (age 86?) just returned from Europe/hospital to SA.
Then announced USD10 billion in low income mortgages and business handouts.
How do the Wahhabists feel about Facebook?
So is Sandhurst trained Prince Mutaib the next heir?
Any action over at Vinnell Arabia?
I can't see the bulk of the Saudi population supporting a revolution that promises:
9 – Adoption of the rights of women and non-discrimination against them
Okay anyone with options plays here? Let me know please...
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Buy a put and a call at the same strike price for oil
Volatility, bitchez.
Oh shit. MAJOR oil shock coming!!!
Fucking Goldman Facebook shills. It's getting this easy to manipulate markets with a website page?
GREAT! YOU FIGURED OUT WHERE THE CAPSLOCK IS LOCATED!
Is it just me, or does it seem as if the world's leaders have pushed the "self destruct" button and are preparing to head for the hills?
Something is spiraling out of control; even Llyod is gone on vacation...
No, it's not just you. We're fucked.
Never let a good crisis go to waste...
"Even distribution of wealth."
Anyone with knowledge about chemistry, please post the temperature at which sand turns to glass and fiat money combusts...
Quartz (SiO2), the main mineral in silica sand, has a melting temperature of 4,200 degrees Farenheit, or 2,300 degrees C.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/At_what_temperature_does_sand_turn_into_glass#ixzz1EncZMSCk Fiat, about 450F.Thank you but I'd assume fiat burns at a much higher temp given the properties inherent in a product made to last in hell...
Any chance this could qualify for a QE 3 trigger?
Rahm may have difficulty capitalizing on this one in Chicago, methinks.
What even after the King opened the sweetie tin
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-23/king-abdullah-pours-money-into-...
Ungrateful gits
I'm sure it's purely coincidental how Abdullah only this week found his magnanimous side.
180K fabulously wealthy princes and 25 million slaves - hoocoodanode that social dynamic would be a problem?
How ya' gonna keep 'em down on the pipeline?
It's a desert. Blow up the water supplies. Import new workers to bury the old ones and get things back in production.
DIG it!
maybe one day we here in the states will also have
3 – transparency, accountability in fighting corruption
4 – the Government in the service of the people
6 – public freedoms and respect for human rights
10 – an independent and fair judiciary
11 – impartial development and equitable distribution of wealth.
12 – to seriously address the problem of unemployment
you sir, might be a statist.
Just build a fence around the country. To keep people out --or in; I don't really care. Zero taxes, zero gov't and as many anti-personnel devices as I can store in my bunker. I have a trebuchet as my waste disposer, so you don't want to be down wind.
Silly fools tell me I live in a fantasy world and I can't eat my guns. Idoits! see how easily I can eat the barrel of this gun? mmmmghgh, pop...........
One can only hope!
If this happens the US economy is toast. Gas guzzlers abandoned everywhere and total chaos.
Hehehe
Time to get.your shorts on boyz. However keep in mind i have been a.contrary indicator since january.
...human sacrifices, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
No, seriously, it will create a huge problem. $147 oil was the straw that broke the camel's back on our debt-crazy economy in 2008, and all that Bernanke and Obama did was to step on the accelerator. It worked, not so well, for a couple of years but here we are again with equally high oil prices on the horizon and MORE debt, LOTS more debt.
Our economy is, indeed, toast. Toast like you'd get from the center of the Sun.
Women drivers = $300 oil.
Man, Facebook was the best investment CIA ever made.
Da truth.
Created by the DoD. Technology as a Trojan Horse! Internet for EVERYBODY! (Let the iPhone users pay more cause they're snots in general).
You think the CIA wants more democracy in the Middle East? How does that serve the MIC or the zionists on the Hill?
this has nothing to do with creating democracy, they want to equalize things 'enough' for centralized management. you know, the whole NWO crappy thing
LMGTFY
Violence flarin', bullets loadin'
You're old enough to kill, but not for votin'
You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin'
And even the Jordan River has bodies floatin'
That was 1965, and we're still alive.
Not sure we'll make another 45 years, though.
My only question is whether the House of Saud's plan involves US boots on the ground.
Magic 8-ball says 'Yes'.
Nothing like announcing your demands ahead of schedule to allow for preparations.
Please don't misunderstand - I'm all for gov't feeling the heat and people marching in the streets. And if $200 crude will get the message across, so be it.
I fear changing/improving an existing gov't will achieve nothing. The entire philosophical approach needs to be altered from one that requires forced appropriation/violence to one that is founded upon voluntary cooperation and individual freedom.
How can you petition an organization that thrives upon oppression for human rights? I don't get it.
Nor I. A voluntary society would indeed be the golden age. However, what we have now are groups that are asking for the government to FIX things. This is, quite truly, the antithesis of freedom.
Nor I for that matter. Announcing a revolution in a place like Saudi Arabia strikes me as comical. The whole point of these uprisings is that they are random, unexpected and take the regimes for surprise. This just looks like a joke.
+1 hand chopping.
The Saudis have watched Egypt, Bahrain, Libya, etc.. The slightest hint of an uprising and it will be squashed brutally and quickly.
Let's hope so.
Nice!
What happens if folks suddenly realize the Central Banks can't prop up markets with these rapidly deteriorating world economic and political conditions?
All the big boys have been "nice" and played ball with the Fed and others to levitate the stock market up. But what if animal instincts tell them they better get their money out?
What if BTFD can no longer be supported. What if suddenly STFR takes its place?
I think STFD is coming.soon! However dont expect more than a ten percent drop.
if you're right, you're going to have to change your name to bottomcallingtroll
(sounds sexier anyway)
lol, bottomfondlingtroll sounds much better, im going off to register it right now.
lol
STFD now.
do Saudi-Arabians assume that other nations have what they demand?
If I were to bet on Sauds vs THE WORLD, I'd pick THE WORLD.
Woohoo! Load up on the short sells or buy the.double short etf's!
Be.sure and max out your credit cards and any savings you might have. If your wife asks.why tell her an anonymous troll told you to do it.
Is it any worse advise than you get.from a sell side analyst?
our economy will suffer, but in the long run it will be the best thing to happen. read about saudi's society. what freaks.
http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/
Damn. Tempted to go long oil here. Silver has a pretty strong correlation.
Decisions, decisions.
Maybe I'll compromise and buy more solar panels instead.
damn, has nobody recently reminded you that 'you can't eat solar panels' ?
yes....but who can take the sunshine and dip it in a dream?
Gene Wilder
-- "The CandyMan", Grateful Dead
Different song, better CandyMan!
Whoever said that has never heard of spinach.
You can't eat MAN MADE solar panels. That's true. They are good enough fro running grow lights, however.
Seems like king Abdulla's best offer is social aid. Should be a sitdown strike on the airport runway.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41734196
The decapitated bodies under their photo section of their facebook page is a nice touch.
Well fuck me.
No.
What Julian Assange shoulda said! :>D
Ask nicely and your request will be given serious consideration. What size tip are you offering?
Are you that desperade?
Wait wait wait the wikileaks release hasn't occurred yet but should be coming on schedule. The libya one on the other hand was right on schedule.
Looks like Victor Hugo had a bead on 2011 - "All the armies in the world
cannot stop an idea whose time has come." However, what becomes of the
idea is another issue...
What idea is it whose time has come?
Old, senile dictators must retire! Forcibly, if necessary. I recommend a steno-pad or a voice recorder to ya...
just read an AP article that referred to a Facebook page calling for a "March 11 Revolution of Longing", very similar to above. . .simmer breaks to boil pretty fast these days.
Don't underestimate that rapidity and enormity of these Mid-east upheavals. We all know the markets have been levitated up by central banks, banks and corps doing their bidding. But it's clear, they have been able to do this with relatively small amounts of fiat, because there has not been any strong selling.
We all know the central banks are not all powerful. Just like Mother Nature, there are events and situations that even they cannot control.
Black Swan anyone? I think if things deteriorate further, many "buyers" are going to turn tail and sell to preserve their wealth. The central banks simply couldn't stem this level of selling.
Not going to happen. Saudi King offers additional benefits to citizens.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12550326
King "Asshole" better strap up...hummm - $10 a gallon gas...
better get a skateboard....
Exclusive to WMR:
The Arab revolt has spread to Arabia [we're dropping the descriptor "Saudi" since that will, in the near future, no longer be the name of the country currently known as "Saudi Arabia."] 22 Feb 2011 -- Some 100 youth took to the streets of Hafar Al Batin, calling for the end of the Saudi regime. Hafar Al Batin is a city in northeast Arabia.
The Saudi regime, through media propaganda, has devoted attention to the return of King Abdullah II after his recent surgery in Morocco. Arabians are infuriated about the lack of government response to the floods in Jeddah and the fact that Abdullah did not do anything about the damage caused by the floods. On the eve of Abdullah's return, Arabians took to the streets calling on Abdullah not to return, chanting "we don't need you."
No news agency has covered the Arabian protests, except Islah TV, which has confirmed the news. People in Arabia now say "Enough is Enough." We are told there will be a big uprising in the coming days in Arabia.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
Just a thought here so indulge me. What if the Sunni/Shia religious leaders happen to align with the oppressive gov't in the mode of Iran? Something like; Mullahs call for the execution of all zionists and infidels not aligned with the monarchy.
Think about that. Oppressive gov'ts with the religion aligned with the oppressors. Some twenty something wakes up one day and lights himself on fire on video. A female doing it would be even more powerful. All of a sudden, the whole control structure of Islam has lost the next generation. Just a thought.
A female death in one of these countries is a big yawneroo for the locals. The Saudi religious police once forced a bunch of school girls back in to a burning building because they were not properly covered. They all perished, and this was deemed proper action by the police because it is what (islamic) law calls for.
So no, a female death would not be "even more powerful."
It is to a Western viewer. Kind of why I like the West better.
Sounds like what Americans have with "money" for religion.
Well the good news is the Obama is importing the muzzies here so hopefully all those trouble makers in the ME will be gone soon!
"
President Barack Hussein Obama, in a determination letter to Congress, has announced that he will allow an additional 80,000 immigrants – - mostly from Islamic countries – - to resettle in the United States during fiscal year 2011.
Mr. Obama says that the increase in Muslim immigrants “is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest.”
The following “goals” for new immigrants has been set as follows:
Africa . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15,000
East Asia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19,000
Europe and Central Asia . . . . . . . . . . 2,000
Latin America/Caribbean. . . . . . . . . . . 5,500
Near East/South Asia. . . . . . . . . . . 35,500
Unallocated Reserve . . . . . . . . . . . . 3,000
Refugee Resettlement Watch and other organizations have expressed grave concern that Mr. Obama is allowing so many immigrants into the country while so many Americans remain out of work and living in poverty.
According to the US Department of Labor, 14.8 million Americans remain unemployed. 6.1 million have been out of work for 27 weeks or over.
This figure has been challenged by the Union of the Unemployed who provide statistics that the actual number of unemployed Americans is 31 million.
The U. S. Census Bureau shows that the median household income for Americans has fallen to $49,777 – - a decline of 0.7% in the past year.
One in seven Americans no longer can feed themselves.
According to The Wall Street Journal, 14.3% of the American people live in abject poverty.
A refugee is defined by The US Department of Immigration and Naturalization as someone who has left one’s country due to persecution or a fear of persecution.
This accounts for the sharp rise of Somali communities throughout the country.
However, the definition of refugee is ‘fudged’ in several cases. “Refugees” who have not left their country due to persecution, according to Mr. Obama’s determination letter, can still be called “refugees” if they are from Iraq, one of the Islamic countries of the former Soviet Union, or Cuba.
According to Section 413 (a) of the Immigration and Nationalities Act, the Office of Refugee Resettlement is required to submit an annual report to Congress on the activities of the refugees.
The report is supposed to include the number who are on public welfare programs.
But no report has forthcoming from the Office of Refugee Resettlement since 2007"
Dinesh D'Sousa's theme in The Roots of Obama's Rage is very unfortunately panning out.
Hell, our government is already refusing to stop the invasion from the south. What's one more direction matter?
Man, if Saud goes, the oil market will bukkake itself
Oil is dark, and too runny for your optics to work. Keep working on it.
Better keep your gas tank full.
There is no way The United States (aka oligarchs) will allow this to happen.
It's been well over 20 years since being in that region, but to give credence to this, The Royals would move all their families out of the country, have we seen that? When I was there, they sent family members to Egypt, not sure that's a prudent place this time around. So until that happens, I smell BS.
Don't they all have nice condos in Houston? Little spring break action.
Riyadh Facebook Club.... LOOOOL. Man, you guys need to stop. We only do demonstrations in other countries to jack up oil prices, but the Kingdom is off limits to democracy. If you don't know, you better ask somebody in DC...
Interesting Date --> 20 March is New Year's Day In Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia to shut down the internet in 3,2,1...........
Funny curby...
Coming to a former 1st world nation near you ... 3,2,1...
<INTERNET><KILL><SWITCH>
There's no point detailing their plans for the SAMA, which is a notable omission
Truth is, these desert cultures don't want democracy. They prefer to pursue their ideal fair leader with a strong hand - except they seem to continually forget everybody's got a different idea of what fair and strong will mean. Token gestures aside, their tribal culture will never allow democracy to gain a foothold, making it very easy for the US to set up a revolving door of initially friendly/later asshole dictator.
Said culture is defined at least as much by "Islam", a highly codified totalitarian system that many mistake for a mere religion. The word itself means "submission". Freedom isn't part of the deal.
Desert cultures....like Arizona....? Sounds about right.
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After reading their list of demands, it seems they need a lot of Hope and Change.
And, we've got just the man that can give it to them.
Maybe by March 20th, we'll hear that Odumbass is vacationing in Saudia Arabia.
"Maybe by March 20th, we'll hear that Odumbass is vacationing in Saudia Arabia."
And they can keep him, I'll take the walking misstatement any day. However, I don't think that the Saudis are that stupid.
It isn't clear how Rahm can take advantage of this crisis as mere Mayor of Chicago.
He must be, "on a mission from Saud!"
A joke decades in the making; I salute you, sir. It's just a shame the whole world had to go to Hell so that joke would work....
Lady Liberty vs. A Central Banker:
Lady Liberty: You miserable slug! You think you can talk your way out of this? You betrayed me.
Central Banker: No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.
Only in this version the ending is different.
Their revolution is strong on demands but short on structure, and without structure you've got nothing. Because once the Revolution is a success you'd better damn well have something more than vagely outlined demands, you'd better have structure to make them a reality or your going to slide into a large bucket of shit and blood that leaves no one untouched. This is the vacuum that the United States should be filling this very second, but we can't because we aren't the answer. We used to be, but we're not anymore. The only way we can lead, is by example. America must change. If America changes, the rest of the world is forced to change, they have no choice in the matter because we will always win if we lead with the Peace of Freedom. Nothing can stand before it, it is omnipotent.
Never has such a reckless plan been used with 'QE'.. time to pay the piper with 200 dolr oil.
You don't believe the bernank actually knows what he is doing do you? He's just a talking academic beard.
This kinda reminds of my days of wasted efforts in Nicaragua in the early 80's. People in Nicaragua had trouble seeing the difference between democracy and maxism and most thought they were the same thing - one being pushed by the U.S. and the other by the Soviets and they supported whoever would give them the most (usually measured in guns and food). We see how that worked out and but now the Sandanistas own the land and Daniel Ortega is the largest land owner in Nicaragua. Now that I think about it, the Latin America uprisings of the 80's and 90's were a suprising forerunner of what is happening in the middle east now.
rocket launcher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjHior0RfU
Do they really want the mirage of mass democracy flourishing in the middle east? Is there really anyone left who thinks "they" have the power to determine who rules them by tossing a worthless piece of paper into a ballot (or pulling a lever/pushing a button)? Do the saudi people want to grow "wealthy" on debt?
While mass democracy has been comatose in the rest of the world waiting for the next political system to replace it, it is being sold to the Arabs with better results than the 72 virgins in heaven.
Expect TBTF banks making fortunes in the Arab nations for the next hundred years.
The local governments are not stupid, and are on guard by now. Some of these things are going to be ruses to flush out malcontents early.
The revolution will be advertized!
Twittered ablaze!
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/23/ihumor-for-un-funny-days/
No Flight, No Risk, period. This is a Red Herring all day long.
So what is it we are not supposed to be looking at, then?
You can look at this all day long if you want. I've seen this before, and unless the royal families start chartering flights (they will do this quietly of course) to wherever, this is just sensationalized noise. If the royal families start showing up en-masse in the U.A.E. or England before this date, then I'll give this story more credence.
Problem, Action, Solution
The day arab world buys into the Turkish vision of Islam, more alike western vision of christian faith in society, run on secular principled institutions, ordained by Mustafa Kemal in Turkey after Ottoman demise, this will become the blueprint for the future where women's rights become guaranteed. It is more and more accepted amongst the new generation of North Africa. Hopefully it will spread to Arabia and then to that last bastion of Sunni regression : pakistan/afghanistan. Shia Iran should tilt over in the next five years under its own internal impetus. Just let it cook and help the transition in arab lands is the best bet for the west. Hope you guys are not too dumb not to hear it in Sarah Palin land. But then the economic agenda as it worsens will dictate the choices in the land of the not so free. Keep our fingers crossed you don't take the wrong fork as the whole world depends on the USA managing their inevitable downturn in a reasonable though internally very painful way.
I'm sorry, I believe the US government would kill its own citizens down to the last child rather than voluntarily give up one iota of power, and I think they will drag the rest of the world down in flames with us if it can. It suffers from the sin of Lucifer and it is better to reign in Hell.
seems like the Saudis & the USA have almost the exact same governmental issues
I'll believe it when I get the e-vite.
If the house of Saud falls you can forget about the "New Government" taking Greenbacks for their oil.
Fagetaboutit.
When can we have this deal in Amerika?
I will pick out my favorites:
12 – to seriously address the problem of unemployment
No. BAHAHhahahaha-ah-ah-ha...
Well we lie with statisitics about the unemployment problem...
11 – impartial development and equitable distribution of wealth.
Yes. Wealth is always looted upwards...
10 – an independent and fair judiciary.
No Wall Street prosecutions for MBS fraud, bailout fraud, fraudclosures, etc. etc.....
7 – allowing civil society institutions
You mean Domestic Terrorist Nests under TSA,NSA,FBI,CIA, Homeland Insecurity Doctrines?
6 – public freedoms and respect for human rights
That is what the TSA,NSA,FBI,CIA, Homeland Insecurity are all about Charlie Brown...
5 – legislative elections.
Nope. We have Bribe Fest 2010,2012 ... or Wall Street/Corporate "Buy Your Bitch" Night...
Wow. Facebook is giving those green flag guys a way better deal than we are getting over a few bread riots... Imagine that.
++
I think it's past the prosecution stage.. moving towards the execution stage. Hard to believe what has happened to this once great Land..remember the scene in Godfather 2 when Cuba fell to the revolutionaries and the mobsters and politicians fled by Boat? I could see that happening here.
Holy Shit - the fuse is lit.
Now here's a long shot... if the monarchy immediately addresses these issues in a positive, collaberative way they may survive in much the way the British royalty have.
And the rest of the world may avoid oil spiking to $200+.
If things go sideways in Saudi we're all going to feel the pain.
Is there a relation to Iraq changing government and the current middle east changes?
Sure, BushDoctrine backfire. Happened everywhere else.