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Implied Correlation Breaking Out

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Could it be that after several months, the "sophisticated" investors are betting on a high-correlated event? One thing to keep in mind as one follows the meanderings of the VIX.




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Thu, 08/27/2009 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:28 | Link to Comment mgarrett84
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I think a premium on the index options makes sense since recent history proved you to be a fool if shorting single names.   Lending desks have been having a lot of fun with that.  

 

So short index or short AIG, FNM, C  hmmmmm .  While neither is optimal I will take a short squeeze in SPX over one of the above mentioned stocks.  

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:51 | Link to Comment mgarrett84
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I think a premium on the index options makes sense since recent history proved you to be a fool if shorting single names.   Lending desks have been having a lot of fun with that.  

 

So short index or short AIG, FNM, C  hmmmmm .  While neither is optimal I will take a short squeeze in SPX over one of the above mentioned stocks.  

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Mazarin
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Per:

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/216469-romeo-fayette/22759-fed-balance...

"Aug 14, 2009  

Foreign holdings of US Securities decreased for the first time in 5 months by $299 million sequentially (weekly) to $2,809.9 billion from $2,810.2 billion in the prior month. Keep in mind in the same time period the Fed purchased over $16.6 billion of Treasuries, indicating that in the last week the Fed was the only purchaser of Treasuries.

Implied Correlation is higher than it was post Lehman, but VIX is relatively normal. This kind of spread with the VIX could only mean that the big money has forgone single name protection for whole Index protection,pushing Implied Correlation to market crash heights right now"

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Sancho Ponzi
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OT: Since we own 80% of AIG, how about a Proxy effort to oust that arrogant SOB Benmosche

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:02 | Link to Comment HEHEHE
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Seriously who is that guy?  It's like they walked up to the most sh*tfaced loudmouth in some bar and said congratulations you are now CEO of AIG!

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:20 | Link to Comment percolator
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Now that's funny!

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Oso
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Does anyone else get the feeling this is a POMO day?? DXY getting crushed again, SPX turning positive.  WTF is going on..........

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Peter North
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We're in bizarro-world. If you know what you are doing, you're getting killed or just waiting. Fucking brutal.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Sancho Ponzi
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Citigroup says the same consumers that are either jobless or hanging on for their dear lives have tons of pent up demand and cannot wait to start spending again. Natch

You can't make this shite up. Wait, yes you can.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aFKj.8C.uteo

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Oso
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the ridiculous drop in DXY just now would have needed 500mm-1 bl USD to sell, prob the lower end due to thinned summer trading. 

there is no profit minded trader on earth who would ever trade like this.  and only BD's who have just been handed a whole bunch of dollars would sell en masse knowing that all the other BD's were going to sell at the same time.

 

idiots on CNBC fiddle the SPX while DXY burns.  we do NOT want a currency crisis. 

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:37 | Link to Comment greenbacks (not verified)
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Marshal Ney
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Don't even try. No matter how cynical you get, you'll never keep up.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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There is no understanding insanity. How do you understand illogical positions taken by supposedly logical people? This points to one thing. Inside knowledge or unlimited funds with no fear of losses.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Marshal Ney
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You're being unfair to the insane. We had a paranoid schizophrenic living in the neighborhood, and there was a very consistent pattern to his delusions. I've yet to find the pattern for this market.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Dollar PLUNGING.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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Prechter buying at 78.10...let's see if it holds.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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I sadly report that Bobby just lost another thick wad trying to defend the dollar. Unfortunately, this is what you get when you go against a printing press.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:54 | Link to Comment crzyhun
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Yup, somebody dumped $$ big. WHO? About the time the auction finished.

 

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:19 | Link to Comment jm
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Any hedge funds still doing dispersion trades?  This may be a gigantic unwind. 

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:41 | Link to Comment convexity
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TD, Do you think there is any correlation (no pun intended) between ICJ (a measure of intrinsic vs. index option vol) with the skew in CDX or ITRAX (the measure of intrinsic default protection spreads vs index default protection spreads).  Not sure if this is your bailywick, but figured I'd ask.  

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Green Sharts
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As Bob Rodriguez of First Pacific Advisors, has said, "It's all one trade."

On one side of the trade are oil, industrial metals, global equities and corporate bonds (both investment grade and junk). On the other side of the trade are the U.S. dollar and treasury bonds.

Thu, 08/27/2009 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 08/28/2009 - 08:00 | Link to Comment convexity
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only problem is, if that is what they want, that is what they will get.  we can be right all day, but what good would it do?  As Mohamad El-Arian said so very well, the referee now also has on a players jersey.  Moral?  Don't fight the Fed....

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