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India Halts All Food Imports From Japan After Fukushima Fish Found With Excess Radioactivity

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After dumping thousands of tons of radioactive water in the sea, Japan appears to have been stunned to find that the radioactive content of various fish has surged and is now above just imposed radiation safety thresholds. From Kyodo: "Japan hastily set a legal limit Tuesday for the permitted level of
radioactive iodine in seafood as safety concerns spread overseas in the
wake of continuing leaks contaminated water into the Pacific Ocean from
the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. The limit of 2,000 bequerels per kilogram set by the Ministry of Health,
Labor and Welfare for radioactive iodine in marine products such as
fish and shellfish is the same as that already adopted for vegetables,
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano told a press conference. The imposition of the limit followed the detection by Japanese
authorities 4,080 bequerels per kilogram of radioactive iodine in young
sand lance caught Friday off Kitaibaraki in Ibaraki Prefecture, which
prompted the health ministry to consider setting a limit for fish and
clams. Different young sand lance, also caught near Kitaibaraki, were found to
be contaminated with 526 bequerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium,
exceeding the legal limit of 500 bequerels already set by Japan." And now that Japan has another crisis scenario fall out to deal with, other countries no longer have faith that Japan has any control over the situation and are imposing complete bans on Japanese food imports: first India, and soon everyone else. Expect sushi prices to surge momentarily.

From Kyodo:

India said Tuesday it will suspend food imports from Japan for about three months to prevent food contaminated with radioactive substances leaked from the crisis-hit Fukushima nuclear power plant from entering the country, Press Trust of India news agency reported.

Specific food items subject to the suspension were not immediately disclosed, but marine products and fresh fruits are expected to be among them.

India's health ministry said the import suspension will last until it can obtain reliable data proving that the levels of leaked radioactive substances are safe, according to PTI.

Not to be outdone, Japan once again has proven it is completely clueless, and is dealing with the catastrophe in the only way it knows - denial:

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano dismissed the need for an immediate ban on shipments of marine products from the affected areas, but he pledged to toughen inspections to ensure that contaminated products do not reach markets.

The government will make further efforts to provide sufficient information to other countries through diplomatic channels regarding its efforts to contain the leak of radioactive substances from the plant, the top government spokesman added.

Given that radioactive substances exceeding safety limits have only been found in a small number of samples so far, Edano said, ''We want to proceed by monitoring (contamination) closely and grasping the broader situation rather than immediately regulating'' shipments.

And while the diplomatic wrangling over who is right and who is wrong is about to spike in earnest, Japan can kiss its fishing industry goodbye, as well as scrap food exports for the indefinite future.

 

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Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:38 | 1138676 TruthInSunshine
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The pollies will show up screaming that BRIC & POMO will save the world 'o equities, and that Japan will have Fukushima cleaned up and like brand new in a few weeks.

Step right up to The Bernank's Funhouse, and be exhilarated just like you were in 2008, folks, because you'll never be wrong being long with The Bernank Put under yo ass.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:38 | 1138684 Thorlyx
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"brand new"  or glowing new ?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:24 | 1139385 nkktwotwozero
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Beaming.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:51 | 1140288 espirit
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Worse, much worse. Report from on site and on the ground in NuKuFuKu although dated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?_r=3&ref=global-home

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 09:28 | 1140391 Sweet Chicken
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The article doesn't speak of the SFP until two thirds into the second page. They report that the danger posed by them is greater than the cores yet there is little or no reporting on them.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:05 | 1139482 Homey Da Clown
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Radiation too high? No problem. Simply raise the "safe" level!

 

Japan’s government announced on Tuesday its first radiation safety standards for fish, hours after the operator of a crippled nuclear power plant said that seawater collected near the facility contained radiation several million times the legal limit.

The new standards were announced after a sample of kounago fish, or sand lance, that was caught last Friday off the coast halfway between the plant and Tokyo was found to have high levels of radioactive iodine 131.

The small fish had 4,080 becquerels of iodine 131 per kilogram (2.2 pounds). The new standard allows up to 2,000 becquerels of iodine 131 per kilogram…

 

Too bad other countries are not buying the BS.

 

Food Contaminants, Hong Kong Centre for Food Safety, April 1, 2011:

[Emphasis Added]

What are the criteria adopted at present in testing the level of radioactive contamination in Japanese food products, and the measures to be adopted when some food products are found to have a level of radioactive contamination exceeding the normal standard?

CFS currently adopts the standards laid down by the Codex Alimentarius Commission, which are international standards, in the Guidelines Levels for Radionuclides in Food following Accidental Nuclear Contamination in testing the radiation levels of food. Relevant radionuclides include iodine-131 (100 Bq/kg), caesium-134 and caesium-137 (1,000 Bq/kg), etc, which are most closely associated with health risks.

If a consignment of food is tested to have exceeded the contamination standard, the Food and Environmental Hygiene Department will immediately detain that consignment and arrange for disposal.

 

And like clockwork, the Obama Administration keeps telling people to disregard the BIG RED WARNING signs...

 

U.S. public-health officials sought Tuesday to reassure consumers about the safety of food in the U.S., including seafood, amid news that fish contaminated with unusually high levels of radioactive materials had been caught in waters 50 miles from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan.

No contaminated fish have turned up in the U.S., or in U.S. waters, according to experts from the Food and Drug Administration, Environmental Protection Agency and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They expressed confidence that even a single fish sufficiently contaminated to pose a risk to human health would be detected by the U.S. monitoring system.

They also dismissed concerns that eating fish contaminated at the levels seen so far in Japan would pose such a risk.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:45 | 1139561 Flounder
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Nothing is fucked here Dude. Nothing is fucked. They're a bunch of fucking amateurs!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?_r=2&hp

Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director-general of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), said Japan was trying to adhere to its obligations under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea to avoid contamination of the ocean.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/05/us-japan-idUSTRE72A0SS20110405...

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 23:32 | 1139672 Al Gorerhythm
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Japan dumping radioactive waste into the sea for scientific purposes. Next they'll tell us that the purpose is to spread the risk thereby reducing systemic risk. Sounds all too familiar. AAA contamination rating by raising the contamination safety levels.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:47 | 1140110 jus_lite_reading
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THIS is definitely bullshi... I mean bullish for the Japanese fishing industry. And whats bullish for their fishing industry is bullish for the whole auto industry and whats bullish for the suto industry is bullish for home builders here in the US of A...... YEE HAW!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 00:35 | 1139785 nkktwotwozero
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Teh Bernank did himself a TEPCO.

NOT 2% inflation, 200,000%!

Sorwee...

--

Brawndo! It's got what Nuclear Plants Crave!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:40 | 1140260 Commander Cody
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How much ya wanna bet that most countries will raise "acceptable" levels of radioactive contamination in food and water in order to avoid a systemic financial breakdown?  Black swans to the left of me, black swans to the right, stuck in the middle again.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 14:32 | 1142041 pyite
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Please keep in mind the incredibly short half life of radio-iodine.  Yes this is a problem, but not a permanent one.  If they find fish with excessive levels of Plutonium, on the other hand, we are fucked.

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:02 | 1138733 anonnn
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OT...NHK reports Reactors 5 and 6 flooding to threaten EmergDieselGens in turbine bldgs.that power coolant pumps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7uGvW8xvY

Also see youtube today by "leakspinner" in Tokyo [he refers to 4 and 5, then corrects to 5 and 6.]:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocxdP3GphbM&NR=1

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:05 | 1138799 Thorlyx
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Don't worry, Tepco is in charge.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:30 | 1139513 Zero Govt
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...yep, here comes the Japanese Govt, an even bigger collection of clowns, to take over: "All is well, the fish will stop glowing, the Yen will stop rocketing, the stock market will hold and we'll even find tenants for Tokyo!"

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 07:48 | 1140104 i-dog
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Good grief! ... if a few gallons of radioactive groundwater running into the turbine building could bring down the emergency diesel generators, what the fuck did they expect even a small tsunami would do? What kind of "emergencies" did they plan for ... running out of rice in the canteen? Blowing a lightbulb in the carpark?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:58 | 1138766 Cdad
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But...but...brother Truth, the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street has been telling everyone that the tsunami was uber bullish, and the syndicate has been funneling the sheeple into the EWJ...which is supposed to be the value of the century.  

Isn't it the case that radioactive fish [and other things] are positive to GDP revisions?  Wait...now where are the unicorns again?

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:14 | 1138838 Jim in MN
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All right, all right, here's the damn video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTpUVAcvWfU

"Fish Heads"  1979

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 20:00 | 1139170 mt paul
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dude

have you been filling your bong 

with fukushima pit water 

or what ...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:27 | 1138884 EvlTheCat
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Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Karn Evil 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeQsZOQqO6I

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:37 | 1138678 Lord Welligton
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So. Instead of an International response to this disaster we will have unilateral action.

Not only are TEPCO a bunch of selfinterested fuckers.

The UN is way way ahead of TEPCO.

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:06 | 1138991 strenue
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/amid-nuclear-crisis-japans-tepco-planned-new-reactors/2011/04/05/AFtBbfkC_story.html?hpid=z2

This should come as no surprise to readers of this blog. Except IQ 1.45 and his other aliases.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:28 | 1139057 Lord Welligton
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"This should come as no surprise to readers of this blog. Except IQ 1.45 and his other aliases."

That would account for the junks then ......... (:

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:36 | 1138680 sundarb
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Extremely sad. As a collective human species, we've made some poor decisions. We have blatantly disregarded the delicate balance of life, the complex interconnected nature of all living existence.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:44 | 1138711 cossack55
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But we have some really cool cars...and trucks....and ipads....and flatscreen TVs. Nature is way over-rated anyway.

:)

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:51 | 1138731 sundarb
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For that I quote Dimitry Orlov:

Here's a particularly nice quote from the Beatitudes: “Blessed are the poor in spirit.” Never has a truer phrase been written. It is rather difficult to embrace such basic tenets while remaining within a culture that has elevated avariciousness and rapaciousness to the status of virtues. But here is a key insight: being poor on purpose is much easier than being poor as a result of suddenly having less than you are accustomed to having. Voluntary poverty is a hell of a lot easier than involuntary poverty.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 05:19 | 1140009 StychoKiller
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Poor in spirit != poverty,  WTF??

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:11 | 1138817 VegasBD
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Not to mention wars! Those time life videos are amazing. So glad we fought all those wars so i can watch videos of brown people dying while i drink beer and order (insert random enthic group weve destroyed here) food for delivery.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:15 | 1138843 cossack55
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Agreed.  No.....(oops. dropped my pizza) Now they are making a new set with the way cool camera in the nose bomb and missiles. can't wait for the dvd.  Far out, they are whacking black folks now too. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:23 | 1139041 andybev01
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Nature looks much, much better in 3D-HD anyway.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:39 | 1138682 Thorlyx
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Eat more steaks.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:40 | 1138692 weyes1
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But not Kobe steaks.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:14 | 1138830 sabra1
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Tube steaks?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 20:44 | 1139291 kinetik
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You got slapped down for talking about wieners? Come on, even a hotdog can taste good enough with enough mustard (and alcohol).

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:27 | 1139390 cbxer55
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Don't forget the Sauerkraut! ;-)

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:42 | 1138700 Pool Shark
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The Japanese enjoy playing Russian Roulette eating Fugu (the poisonous blowfish). Why not expand the game to potential nuclear death from sushi?

I sense a great marketing opportunity here for Indians with serious thrill issues...

I also sense a great marketing opportunity in India for chicken imports. With nuclear fish and beef off-the-menu for hindi, I think the Colonel should make an entrance...

 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 00:17 | 1139744 Oh regional Indian
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PS, the Colonel is already here and growing like a cancerous chicken, dotting the landscape in competition with McD's and Papa Johns and.... you get the drift.

The fast forrible food invasion in India is well underway.

ORI

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:54 | 1138754 LeBalance
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And what do the "steaks" eat, eh?  Can you say accumoooooolation?

Revenge!  Revenge!  hahahahahahahahaha!

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:43 | 1140266 Note to self
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Maybe now they'll leave the freakin' whales alone.  Gotta think the blubber is gonna collect a fair amount of the hot stuff.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:43 | 1138685 vast-dom
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3 month ban? R u kidding? In 6 months it will only get worse! And after that? What exactly are the 1/2 lives of Chlorine-37 and other ungodly unnatural unseen molecules? 

How 'bout an xtra thick slice of Fuck-u-Shima toro sashimi? 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:46 | 1138710 sundarb
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Chlorine-37 half life I believe is less than an hour. Chlorine-36 is 300,000 years. Plutionum-239 is 24,000 years. 

Ridiculous.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:53 | 1138737 Thorlyx
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on a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:12 | 1138824 VegasBD
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on a short enough timeline the survival rate for the fuku 50 seems like forever!

 

too soon?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:51 | 1138739 vast-dom
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I'll take that toro rolled up on some Chlorine-36 sushi then.

Yes. Beyond ridiculous. And don't you just love "acceptable" "within" limits of radiation more at "acceptable" "within" ranges of cancer probability. Un-fucka-believable! 

 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 15:43 | 1142398 primalplasma
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People always forget about the Cesium-137 with a whopping half-life of 30 years. That crap is water soluble and it's all over the planet and increasing in volume as we speak.

Cesium-137 is what caused all of the Chernobyl birth defects, so if the world gets hit with high levels of Cesium-137 espect a lot of ugly mutant humans in your future.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:39 | 1138687 max2205
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BOJ in the market buying fish to prop that market. Storage will be a problem. Hummm fill reactor 4 with frozen fish. Wala

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:42 | 1138693 Thorlyx
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This sounds fishy

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:45 | 1138705 Pool Shark
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Hmmm... poison, poison, tasty fish...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:54 | 1138743 johnQpublic
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i sense a new version of that show "dangerous catch" coming out

the real danger being if you eat the fuckers

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:55 | 1138764 gall batter
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I see a new Survivor.  And we're all contestants. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:13 | 1138827 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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yes gall, unfortunately that appears to be true!

i wonder how many looks i would get bringing a geiger counter with me to check food products in the store.

then again, that may just be a way to wake more sheeple.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:19 | 1138848 cossack55
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oooo! I love that idea. Thanks, fiat.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:13 | 1139009 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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you are welcome.  occaisionally my brain fires a few snapses into a good idea.  lol.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:29 | 1139398 cbxer55
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It would be good for a laugh, if nothing else. Walking around the grocery store with a geiger counter. LOL  ;-)

 

Does your brain require the assistance of ethanol to fire them synapses?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:29 | 1139536 Yen Cross
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Like that sarc/ New world (global) order and all.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:45 | 1138707 Lord Welligton
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"Wala"?

Not Voila?

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:52 | 1138732 cossack55
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Went to the store today to stock up on some tuna. Only one case of the store brand left @ 60 cents a can. Packed 02/11  Shelf life till 02/15.  Bought the whole case. Another store tonite.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:26 | 1138883 gall batter
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bought cans of wild salmon and tuna in olive oil.  shelf: 09/06.  happened to think that the tuna may be from the Gulf and packed in petroleum and Corexit.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:01 | 1138981 yabyum
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Hit Costco today for the salmon and tuna, stayed for the polish sausage!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:15 | 1139013 nasa
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buying every bottle of quality Sake I can find.   

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:40 | 1139099 gall batter
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and this may not be a good next few years for California wines.  

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:31 | 1139543 Yen Cross
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Store it 55-73 f. in semi darkness on it's side. Keep the corks hydrated and you will do just fine. Love Sake!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:02 | 1138795 raya123
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You mean "ouala".

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 23:06 | 1139624 Yen Cross
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Yes good catch.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 01:44 | 1139874 WaterWings
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It's French. "Voila!"

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:54 | 1138955 Reptil
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bullish idea. I see two growth markets.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:42 | 1138699 alien-IQ
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But radiation is good for you...Ann Coulter said so....

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:57 | 1138763 Carl Spackler-t...
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But you can't eat radiation.  So I guess high precious metal prices and radiation should not be worried about!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:59 | 1138781 Seymour Butt
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Tran has bigger adam's apple than most dudes. Maybe she ate too much radiation and got stuck in "her" throat.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:07 | 1139355 homersimpson
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What's radiation?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 23:10 | 1139631 Yen Cross
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Ann is just skin and bones. I like her, but she may want to merge with Chelsie Lately?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:44 | 1138701 usefuloutput
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This is another blow for the fishing industry & Ocean life in general. What a shame.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:45 | 1138703 Rainman
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Dammit now I have to shitcan the fresh red snapper I bought today. I knew it was too cheap.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:00 | 1138979 Reptil
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Nah.. right now it's still fairly localised (sea currents near the shore etc.)

Wait a month or two (when all the young fish and scallops etc. hatch), then it'll be EVERYWHERE. And this, like the oil&corexit&dioxines will not be limited to the northern hemisphere.

The japanese obviously have the possibillity to move and store that (they said lightly) radioactive water onland, don't they? They have chemical storage tanks, transport is possible with barges. Or a giant pipeline through the contaminated area. But that'd be admitting "defeat against the nuclear genie".

Please note it's all cumulative. Once that DNA is damaged.....

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:45 | 1138704 Sutton
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If India finds your food dirty, that's as low as you can go.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:48 | 1138715 Thorlyx
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+1

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:36 | 1139088 Manny
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And yet we haven't done it. What does it say about us ?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:46 | 1138708 tallen
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What a great success nuclear power is. Basically nuclear power is like having 50 serial killers running in hamster wheels in your house. No one notices when times are good, but if they break out, unimaginable hell breaks loose.

Nuclear needs just as much funding as solar. It's a ridiculous joke this many nuclear power plants are being built rather than solar. Nuclear power plants take decades to come online, so need huge loans over massive time periods. Solar is up straight away and costs have been decreasing quickly. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:47 | 1138713 vast-dom
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please compare nuclear output to solar output over physical space. 

 

solar conversion rates per panel too low, softening prices notwithstanding. Need a few leaps of tech to get solar viable on largescale. Sorry Beale.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:52 | 1138742 cossack55
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To the best of my knowledge, solar does not have the ability to wipe out the planet.  Throw away the hair dryer? OK.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:56 | 1138752 tallen
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I reccomend you read this from a guy who gave me a lecture earlier in the year

http://www.r-e-a.net/document-library/events/rea-events-2009/re-tariffs-...

 

There's lots of preconcieved notions about solar power and it's inability to provide enough power. (If all roofs in the UK were covered with solar panel we'd have over 110% of the power needed for the whole country, that's only one renewable resource) The price of PV is decreasing rapidly and it's almost at the point where it makes sense financially to install them on your home. It's NOT financially viable to build nuclear plants, which prices are increasing dramatically, new safety measures and massive concrete containment vessels. Plus factor the discount rate into a 25yr period.

 

If oil continues to skyrocket, consumers will buy solar panels for their house. Maybe solar loans, it makes sense. Nuclear makes no sense, decomissioning costs etc. How can companies like EDF afford to build massive new power plants, their primary objective is profit, not safety.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:12 | 1138829 Abitdodgie
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This would amount to letting everyone have free energy, (not reliant on utility's). As everyone knows you cannot control the masses when they have free energy,so solar will not happen .

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:21 | 1138857 cossack55
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He's got a good point folks.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:46 | 1138924 Rusty Shorts
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They will start metering the Sunshine

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:05 | 1138990 Mentaliusanything
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They have through Carbon tax/trading.

Its a tax on life.

The radiation issue is just taxing lifespans

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 20:59 | 1139338 Things that go bump
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First they will rent us the panels, then they will meter the sunshine.   

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:36 | 1139419 cbxer55
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How do them thar solar panels hold up i areas that get hail storms yearly? Golf ball sized. Base ball sized. Soft ball sized. Don't think I'll be investing in solar power anytime soon, as that is where I live.

And yeah, my vehicles show the scars of hail encounters. I don't bother to fix them because it will just happen again next week, next month, next year.

So no, I would not want to have to hassle with the dicks at the insurance company everytime my solar panels got smashed to bits.

Bad idea.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:51 | 1139594 goldfish1
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Much easier fukking with poisoned fish and air and water and soil.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 03:20 | 1139924 uno2well
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How about before you make dumbass comments that show your IQ is that of an inbred monkey, you do some research about thin-film solar panels... or perhaps you could read the post I put up 3 hours before you about my neighbour's place.

Thin film solar panels don't have any glass to smash smart guy. A Major League pitcher could throw a fastball at the fucking thing and it wouldn't be an issue.

Sorry, perhaps I'm being a bit rough on you... But it's these kinds of asinine comments that make people think alternatives to fossil fuels and nuclear power are non-existent. 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:48 | 1140278 Note to self
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Lots of moveable tracker-type panels in my neighborhood.  The are on a single pedastal and and have a motor that moves them to follow the sun for max efficiency.  We had a 100 year windstorm back in December.  Lots of them got mangled and bent, pedastals broke.  I'm gonn wait just a little longer for a more robust design.

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 11:38 | 1141142 uno2well
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But at least when the 100 year storm hit, it didn't cause them to meltdown and put the entire world's population at risk of developing cancer. 

If they had have used a better design for the pedestal, then perhaps the panels would have survived. We get hurricane force winds every fall, sometimes up to 150Kph and the panels on all the roofs in my neck of the woods laugh at them and beg for more!

Money and political will (and the nerve to tell the ruling elites for fuck-off) are what's holding down solar power.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:55 | 1138762 Global Hunter
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Hey looks like the global economy is blowing up so we won't need nearly as much energy for a while.  Give us a few years to come up with some more efficient ways to do things.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:25 | 1138879 samsara
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The real enticement for Nuclear is that it is Centrally Controlled,  Centrally Managed, Individually Metered.  

Notice how there is NEVER any Supportive talk or Goverment Money about Individuals producing their OWN energy?

Notice no real MSM pushed Memes about people generating their OWN power(PV, MicroHydro, Wind, etc).

Centrally OWNED and Controlled are the important parameters. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:33 | 1138901 uno2well
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Yes, lets. Solar panels can be put on your roof and provide power to your home without the need for transmission lines, Nukes? NO! Loads-o-empty roofs out there. 

And while we're at it, why don't we use solar shingles instead of the oil-based ones now? This is but one example and I have no stake in this company (not yet at least) : http://www.uni-solar.com/products/residential-products/powershingle/

That said, my neighbour installed some thin film panels, a solar water heater, has a geothermal system providing ambient heat/cooling and a small wind turbine pumping power into a 5KW VRB battery http://www.pdenergy.com/index.html (purchased when it was a Vancouver-based company, not a Chinese one) that's tied to the grid. He gets paid by the utility company and says when the Tesla Model S hits the streets he's going to be one of the first customers. Freedom, true freedom.

If we factored in the cost of obtaining the things that give us power, the true cost (like fighting wars in various shitholes around the world or of the pollution from burning coal etc. etc. blah blah blah, and subsequent healthcare costs, then alternatives like solar, wind and geothermal are equal to, or cheaper than, anything out there.

Unfortunately, that would give too much power to the little people and TPTB can't have that now can they. Power to the people is just that, power BY the people.

Sorry Vast, but I'd rather see 50,000 wind turbines than 1 nuke plant.

 

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:59 | 1139583 vast-dom
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you misinterpreted my post and/or I was unclear: I am not supporting and in no way justifying nuclear energy; in fact, I abhor it. Re: solar: I'm all for it but the economies of scale are not there just yet (and that in no way endorses dangerous nuclear by any means and solar is certainly much cheaper now if you factor in nuclear disaster clean-ups and such.)

 

also as other posters have mentioned the powers that be will lose their control over the masses if solar takes off (you could fast-charge your car for free off of it -- there is new 3D battery tech coming to market that allows for rapid-charging cars in a few mins as per:

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-structure-allows-li... ).

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear.html?hp

 

 

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 03:41 | 1139954 uno2well
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And what I'm saying is that they most certainly could be if we weren't slaves to the Military Industrial Complex / Fossil Fuel Cartel. 

By you saying "please compare nuclear output to solar output over physical space." it creates an impression that having a nuclear power plant is better because it takes up less space... total and utter nonsense. Epic Fail!

Like I said, I couldn't give a rat's ass if we installed a wind turbine in the backyard and put solar panels on every house in my city. However, I don't want to live within 200Km of a nuclear power plant.

I wonder how those poor bastards within 100 clicks of Fukushima feel about their choice of real estate purchases now. Do you think they'll be able to sell their homes?

Having solar panels on your house INCREASES the value of your home because they produce power for over 25 years and require very little maintenance. 

I appreciate you clarifying your position, but it's like I said to the numpty who thinks anyone who lives in an area that gets frequent thunderstorms with hail will stop them from benefiting from using solar power. It undermines the technology by spouting that sort of crap.

We need to say FUCK YOU to TPTB and give ourselves true energy independence. When the panels get installed on my roof, I'm taking a photocopy of my ass and faxing it to my utility. When I buy my electric vehicle, I'm doing the same to the head offices of all the major Canadian oil companies. They can all kiss my ass, not on the left side, not on the right, but right in the middle!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:47 | 1138712 Thorlyx
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Who in his right mind would eat "young sand lance" anyway ?

Don't eat it, problem solved.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:43 | 1138920 akak
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A sexually deviant older sand lance?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:51 | 1138936 akak
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(Another fucking double post due to ZH e-hiccup)

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:11 | 1139010 Mentaliusanything
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Oh yes you do eat them as part of a food chain baby.

Wikipedia C&P - Larval forms of this fish are perhaps the most abundant of all fish larvae in areas such as the northwest Atlantic, serving as a major food item for codsalmon, and other commercially important species

We are all interconnected, one living organism - now not so much

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49 | 1138718 magpie
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Nothing that a ministerial photo op with actor-fishermen and a mouthful of "recently caught" sushi can't solve.

Seriously catch everything fast, 2 of each species Tuna, sea cucumbers and a ton of seaweed etc.before those species get irradiated completely.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:47 | 1138719 DoChenRollingBearing
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Poor Japan.  They look doomed.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49 | 1138726 Thorlyx
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Poor us. We look fucked.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:22 | 1139033 Matte_Black
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So it's a tossup between doomed and fucked then?

Just keeps getting worse.....

not better...

worse...

*facepalm* time for a beer.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:49 | 1139140 psychologicalmess
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with radium enemas.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:24 | 1139043 Mentaliusanything
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No, not doomed, just a little bit confused in the lateral thinking department.

That of course will lead to insurmountable problems which will lead to complete paralysis and social dystopia.

It is, my ball bearing man, very 'Double plus Good.'

Japan has not had a social conscious for many decades

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:50 | 1138720 EscapeKey
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Also on BI. I personally am looking fw to 3-eyes Simpsons fish. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-radioactive-fish-2011-4

A fish was caught on Friday midway between Fukushima and Tokyo that contained dangerously high levels of radioactive iodine and high levels of cesium.

 

This catch has prompted Japan to announce its first legal limits for radiation in fish, according to the AP. Previously Japan had said it was enough to ban fishing in the near proximity of the nuclear plant.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:57 | 1138753 LostWages
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The UN is scheduled to meet in an emergency session to implement a no-swim zone for the fish located near the troubled reactor in Japan.

An unnamed source stated bombing the fish was one option being considered.

Details to follow.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:37 | 1139086 mt paul
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breaking news

 

"boots in the water option being considered"

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49 | 1138721 joshbot
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I was listening to NPR this morning talking about how the issue was overblown.  Out of nowhere the host said "boy the price on their fish will skyrocket back up as soon as people realize the fish is safe to eat."  She said it like it was a done deal.  Thanks NPR for setting the record straight.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:47 | 1138927 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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i always thought npr stood for "never possible reality".  seems to be correct.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 22:47 | 1139576 geekgrrl
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Yea, NPR has been particularly sycophantic lately. Their hosts are so thoroughly conditioned from propagating USG lies about the economy that they probably believe that nature is going to go along with the fantasy thinking like the sheeple have.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49 | 1138722 Sad Sufi
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Hate that "excess radiation." 

Comfortable with normal radiation in fish.

Flashback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_6nLp7C-U

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:51 | 1138730 Theta_Burn
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Could there be some blessing here?

the tuna fishery was under incredible overfishing strain, maybe a reprieve for the species?

....unless they all end up sterile.

Disclosure was long the out-of-control roll and Sapporo last night. P

Wed, 04/06/2011 - 08:53 | 1140290 Note to self
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Yeah - maybe the whales can come out of hiding too.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:56 | 1138757 bbq on whitehou...
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Insane more then 20 bequerels per kilogram can lead to cancer. If my fishmoger passes on to me 2,000 ill burn his house to the ground.

But then Iceland is so far the place to get your fish. Any west coast or pacific fish is for now and ever off limits.

These people who set these standards better stay far away from me. Polite society has its limits and cancer is that limit.

For the next six mouths its alantic only. After that it might be none.

 

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:22 | 1138865 cossack55
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Iceland is a great place for fish and the best place for how to treat banksters.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:50 | 1138937 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 55 volcanos.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 23:12 | 1139636 Yen Cross
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You guys are worse than me. 55 Volcanoes? The ultimate wheenie(sp) roast!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:51 | 1138947 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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correct on both counts cossack.  you move up a rank!  just don't expect a pay increase!

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:56 | 1138765 Thorlyx
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Isn't it afterall a fair revenge that the fish is now able to kill the fishermen ?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:54 | 1138954 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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in a strange twist of events that appears to be true.  however the fish may not be able to reproduce.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:59 | 1138773 Sudden Debt
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Japanese Sushi... MELTS ON YOUR TONGUE!

or is your tongue that melts...

I always mix that one up...

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:01 | 1138778 bebopgun
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This should allow for Japan's fisheries to repopulate.   

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:01 | 1138780 Veekay23
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Indians don´t appreciate Japanese anyway.... 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:01 | 1138790 raya123
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I would actually expect sushi prices to plummit due to lack of demand.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:05 | 1138804 Jim in MN
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The government will make further efforts to provide sufficient information to other countries through diplomatic channels regarding its efforts to contain the leak of radioactive substances from the plant, the top government spokesman added.

Great!  That means we can get it from wikileaks in...oh wait aren't they Guantanamo'ed?  Shit.  Guess the public can piss off again.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:12 | 1138831 magpie
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Sure, right after every daily scheduled dump of cooling liquids in Fukushima the "all clear" is sounded.

100 % credibility restored.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:06 | 1138808 falak pema
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I wonder if we will soon see king size whales flying like zeppelins with eight eyes and twenty five fins. Like a 747 cruising on transatlantic atomic fueled propulsion. No lights required the skin sparkles in the sky like a thousand light bulbs. We would have inadvertently stepped changed into a new age of flying fishy mutant hybrids where we would be the two legged dinosaurs of old....heading towards... the exit.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:13 | 1138832 InconvenientCou...
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you're hired!

Please report for work with your dosimeter as soon as the LSD wears off.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:21 | 1139040 Reptil
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ppppfff you made me just spill coffee on my keyboard.

lucky me put a biological barrier on top of it before so the spill is contained.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 20:21 | 1139231 Meatier Shower
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Well, at least someone knows how to contain a spill.

 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 20:39 | 1139281 takinthehighway
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Soundtrack to that movie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdOpLbK_RhU

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:09 | 1138811 Biggvs
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Off topic: Tut tut, banker boyz - your MSM lackeys are getting a little sloppy with their headlines. Wouldn't want any dear readers to get the impression of market manipulation, no no.

"US stocks finish fixed after poor ISM report"

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/130914/20110406/us-stocks-finish-fixed-a...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:10 | 1138818 InconvenientCou...
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Based on the wind forecast, South Korea is going to get dosed in the next few days.

http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/component/content/article/46/7597-atomwol...

Yea, it's a small world.  --and getting smaller by the day. Funny how that happens when your neighbor shits on your doorstep. How long before you get pissed and kick your neighbor's door down?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:16 | 1138845 Jim in MN
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Don't forget Best Korea....too quiet....

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:19 | 1138854 Thorlyx
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"Yea, it's a small world"

This is a fine form of globalization.

How do you say "Laissez faire, laissez passer" in japanese ?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:20 | 1138856 Bastiat
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The Koreans are a little more excitable than the Japanese. 

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:54 | 1138953 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is not good for our business, as some 65% of our bearings are Korean...

Thanks for sharing the link.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:12 | 1138819 AldoHux_IV
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Aren't these pricks worried about sending tainted food to countries rather than losing potential business-- I mean really?  If they feel no guilt sending radioactive fish just to earn another worthless piece of yen then fuck 'em.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:06 | 1138992 defn8Dog
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No one expects to pay for radioactive fish. Yen is in a major selloff.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:14 | 1138839 sabra1
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THE OMEGA 3 SYNDROME

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 21:39 | 1139431 cbxer55
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Omega Man soon to follow.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:16 | 1138840 _Alekhine_
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Am going to miss dining at Wasabi now.

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:17 | 1138842 Road_Scholar
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Poor Hawaii.  Damn, the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor, now the Japanese radiate the fish.  What's next is Washington going sell Hawaii to China?

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:21 | 1138853 samsara
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Ah,  The Germans were mostly in Europe I think...

Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:20 | 1138861 Bastiat
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LOL!

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