Inequality In America Is Worse Than In Egypt, Tunisia Or Yemen

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:19 | 1241725 tp123
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Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:17 | 916426 No-1-U-Know
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You claim that Egyptians are rioting to clamor for wealth equality and ask, in light of the fact that the US shows greater wealth inequality, why Americans are not doing the same. As reasons for their inaction, you then state that most Americans have sufficient means but also emphasize that they underestimate the level of inequality in their country.

Is inequality the source of the rioters’ discontentment?

The GINI map also shows many countries, including Brazil, Chile and South Africa, where income inequality is greater than in the US. And yet, there is no rioting in any of the three. Furthermore, income inequality was lower in the Soviet Union and its satellites. The Soviets were equal. Were they wrong in revolting against their overseers?

Civil unrest actually appears to show greater correlation to low per capita income than income inequality ( The US, Brazil, Chile and South Africa rank 9th, 55th, 49th, 70th in GDP per capita, whereas Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen rank 116th, 97th and 136th.

So, absolute income appears to count, not relative income. This also makes sense intuitively, as a person might be willing to take his grievances to the streets if he can’t gain sufficient income to feed his family, but not because his neighbor drives a Mercedes when he can only afford a Hyundai.


As such, your first reason explaining lack of civil unrest in the US, sufficient means for most, appears valid. The second, ignorance of inequality, is unproven and dubious. Evidence suggests that income equality per se does not prevent civil unrest.


Might there be another, more fundamental reason explaining the unrest?


The three countries you bring up are rated as not free by Freedom House ( The US, Brazil, Chile and South Africa, which all have greater income inequality than Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen, are all rated as free.


An indivdual must have freedom to productively acquire wealth. In the US, the Hyundai owner may be less wealthy than the Mercedes driver but he has the opportunity to use his talents to surpass him. Egyptians, Tunisians and Yemenis don’t have that liberty.


But let’s suppose that wealth inequality is a problem. How can it be fixed? The only way is for the government to steal and redistribute the wealth of the most productive to the less or un- productive. The productive, whose hard work, ingenuity and/or entrepreneurialism benefit all, would then have no incentive to acquire wealth. The result would be more equality but lower wealth. Everyone would be worse off. I’m much less wealthy than Steve Jobs but I’ve also benefited greatly from his ingenuity. He hasn’t stolen anything. He has reaped the just rewards from enhancing peoples’ lives. He has billions, while most Americans have tens of thousands. Mubarak and his cronies have billions stolen from Egyptians who are struggling to put food on the table. In both cases, there's unequal wealth. See the difference? It's earned in one case, stolen in the other.


The drive for equality leads to mediocrity and reduced wealth for all. The liberty to pursue one’s ambitions and the freedom to enjoy the fruit of one’s labor is what must be aimed for. A rising tide lifts all boats, big and small. Egyptians are not fighting for income equality, they’re fighting for civil liberties, for freedom.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:27 | 916023 kalum
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I am a middle class person rapidly becoming poorer due to policies of my govt and the Federal Reserve.  I am fed up with a corrupt government stealing from its citizens.

I imagine there are plenty more of you out there.



Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:25 | 916018 Whalers
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Its a map of socialist countries.  Of course it will be more "equal".  That's the very goal of socialism.  TAKE from one that "has" to give to those who "have not". The thought process is backwards, immoral and repugnant but that's how socialist's think. 

On the other hand one thing that is not up for debate is the fact that if the scumbags in Washington let the companies fail who should have failed during this crisis there would have been a NATURAL economic move to greater equality.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:00 | 916098 AnAnonymous
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TAKE from one that "has" to give to those who "have not".


You've just depicted the Homestead Act. Welcome to the US.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:10 | 915979 apberusdisvet
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Remember the deck of cards targeting Saddam's henchmen at the start of the Iraq War?  We need to have a similar deck here at ZH.  We can make Lloyd the Ace of Spades, and Blythe the Queen of Hearts, just for starters.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 17:52 | 916747 Amish Hacker
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Queen of diamonds, please.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:34 | 915905 hardcleareye
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GW I am so glad you wrote on this subject.  Your information matches the research I did yesterday, I was thinking of emailing Tyer to suggest the reasons for the collapse of the middle class in America as a subject matter.

I came across an excellent lecture done in 2005 by Elizabeth Warren presenting her research at UC Berkley, regarding the reasons (supported by best available data, it is cited) for the demise of the middle class in the US.  It is a bit long but very insightful.  Breaks down the factual cost centers so you can follow the money.


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:31 | 915900 gold mining ceo...
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Inequality is not the issue. It is the rule of law. If the rich build a moat around their wealth

and in doing so, break the law then society is doomed. Therefore, the USA is doomed.

The joke of it is that people will call the end of this society as the collapse of capitalism

when it is nothing of the sort.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:22 | 915888 kaiten
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Just rename it to Estados Unidos de América, and the problem is solved. US will be like most of its neighbors.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:12 | 915879 afriend2u
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Scott Adams the creator of Dilbert says it best in his Wall Street Journal opinion piece today. Here is an excerpt:

"In reality, fairness is not so much about the actual distribution of loot as it is about the psychology of how you feel about it. That's important to understand because the rich won't give up their cash unless they feel they are getting something in return. And so far, saving the country doesn't seem to be enough of a payoff."

All of the best humor is found in truth.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:14 | 915870 Mercury
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Harvard has a lot more money than any other school.  Like, by far.

Do we get to redistribute their wealth too - or do these guys just have other people's money in mind?

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:59 | 915855 stev3e
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From Harvard and Duke - this is supposed to scholarly?  Its hard to even begin to dissect this flimsy load of trash.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 12:52 | 916073 brandy night rocks
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Word.  I guess I should know by now not to be surprised at the intellectual laziness that weighs down the higher education system, but it's still discouraging every time I see bullshit like this.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:54 | 915846 anvILL
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>Americans consistently underestimate the amount of inequality in our nation.

Uh...I think the use of gini coefficient itself underestimates America's inequality.
That thing is probably the best indicator of inequality we have today, but it has its own flaws and I think we seriously need some better way of measuring inequality mathematically, instead of reading 13pages of paper to get a better picture of WTF is going on.   (Lots of disadvantages and general problems)

By the way, I found this to be quite interesting.

CN, NY=amazing how much financials can help
AK=Equality in Pailin land
OH=The most average state happens to be in pretty much in the middle as expected.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:51 | 915843 Salinger
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GW you're not a closet NWO/Globalization type are you?

The World Bank makes extensive use if gini and other indicies in support of its various agendas.,,cont...



Sat, 01/29/2011 - 15:10 | 916413 George Washington
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No, I'm not.  Sometimes I used the massa's language so that everyone can understand what I'm saying...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:50 | 915841 Missing_Link
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George, you fail yet again.

Egypt: 99.99% poor people, 0.01% Hosni Mubarak

USA: 30% poor people, 50% middle class, 20% rich people


Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:57 | 915853 Brother can you...
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Missing link appears to be the correct description of you post, perhaps you could provide us all a link to the orifice in which you got those numbers. My guess is that you need to look behind you.


The peasants are revolting and their angry too...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 13:04 | 916105 AnAnonymous
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The link is missing...

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:55 | 915784 wackyquacker
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dude, you need to get a life.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 10:48 | 915837 Brother can you...
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This is what you chose to take a few minutes out of your life to post. Really? Was it GW's facts that so annoyed you, or maybe his supporting links?


Thanks again GW, I always look forward to your posts.


The peasants are revolting, and their angry too....

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 09:02 | 915758 cheesewizz
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

Sat, 01/29/2011 - 11:30 | 915898 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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Fri, 01/28/2011 - 23:05 | 915326 Convolved Man
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In the limited data set comprised of family and friends, I see more "middle-class" becoming poorer and the poorer relying on more government programs.  If this is a localized phenomena, then I am in need of better family and friends.

Fri, 01/28/2011 - 22:24 | 915260 Convolved Man
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Shush, don't tell the bottom 40% of society that they should be malcontents.

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