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Interactive Japan Wind Map
You asked for it, and here it is - a fully interactive Japan wind map which includes forecasting up to 3 days forward. By the looks of things, the Jetstream is about to start glowing in the dark.
We urge readers open the map with Chrome to use the autotranslate functions, as the text is in Japanese.
And in case one map is not enough, here is another interactive map of wind formations:
h/t Jason
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Glad I live in Florida. California is expendable anyways.
What happens with the radiation once this shit hit the midwsetern fan?
The radiation will not hit the midwest, nor any other part of the lower 48. Not likely to reach Hawai'i. Now, if you're in Adak, Alaska...no, not likely even there.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/15/japan.nuclear/?hpt=T2
Situation nearing severity of Chernobyl.
Geez and the experts said that wasnt possible.
Only the smartest people in the world ever watch CNN.
"Situation nearing severity of Chernobyl."
More sensationalist MSM bullshit. The headline makes it sound as though, "Holy Shit! Hair is falling out everywhere.", but when you actually read it, "Well, it's worse than TMI, but not as bad as Chernobyl, aw Hell, let's make it a six. EVEN THOUGH IT'S PREMATURE TO SPECULATE" [quoted loosely]
The only newsworthy bit of info in the whole damn thing was them saying it's a little early in the game to classify.
Douches.
Less than a TSA screening and a lot less penetrating.
the solution to pollution is dilution
plus collusion and delusion
So says the resident scientific genius. Always plenty of experts commenting on ZH.
Once it mixes with that toxic brew you have under the sand from last years global disaster = it'll be 5 headed babies for you guys
I feel for you
5 headed babies are actually in demand for the lucrative circus-freak line of work.
Just for you.
http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl
OMG - Picture 6 of the "person" with monstrous extremities is a nightmare.
It doesn't hit home for us because we can't imagine what living through it is like.
911 was bad but looks like child's play compared to the lasting effects of something like this.
Got Wind Turbine Power?
you like that picture, take a look at some of the birth defects the Gulf war 1 veterans kids have from exposure to DU
and years later alot of gulf war vets are still having their kids die from the defects
a friend of ours' 8 year old died last month from terminal birth defects
radiation of any sort is an ugly thing
If you are interested in the social pathologies as well as biological consequences of the Chernobyl incident, read http://www.sas.upenn.edu/anthro/system/files/sarcophagus.pdf by one of my academic advisors. It is an anthropological account of social suffering in Ukraine following the disaster, complete with the U.S.S.R. and Ukrainian government attempt to limit/mitigate aid to victims of Chernobyl because no certain causal link could be established between their various cancers and maladies plausibly caused by radition (at least in the minds of the sufferers). The situation polarizes, with the government officials claiming that the victims are moochers, and the victims claiming that the government is negligent and uneffective. A sobering, yet elucidating read.
You are describing the effects on veteren's families 20 years after Gulf War 1.
They had left the location.
Imagine the impact on the citizens who lived there and still live where DU rounds were employed.
Sure is a great kind of freedom that the US brought to the people of Iraq.
Hiroshima. Ring any bells. Long term effect? Anyone?
It seems mass evacuations are taking place in northern Japan. Countries like China and Austria have ordered all citizens out now. But why? Everything is ok! Radiation levels are low according to the offi-shills! AND CNN reported that fallout could reach California!
http://fiatsfire.blogspot.com/2011/03/breaking-news-panic-breaks-out-in-...
AND some basturds are selling potassium iodine for over $1,000 on ebay!! WTF?!
According to the live ticker of the German magazine "Der Stern", Americans are buying potassium iodine so much that it is almost sold out. Some people have tears in their eyes, because they can't get any potassium iodine.
Supply and demand? Americans love doom and love to sell doom to others. I'm not saying we shouldn't have a supply for the family (WE DO) but it's not worth $1000!!!
No, it is not worth that much. And the people don't need to be too afraid. Most will end in the Pacific, I guess (which might give you a three-eyed springfield like fish).
And you're right about the doom part. But I like this mentality. Lately many Germans I know turned into overoptimistic and positive people (that's okay, of course) But I am more the pessimistic, melancholic German (more traditional). And in the current markets, I am one of the few permabears that are left here.
PY
Do you know Quendlinburg?
My ancestral home. They survived two world wars. Quiet proudly.
I can't believe what I'm seeing on Ebay. Those $7.00 packets of 14 tablets are going for as high as $250.00! Fucking sick bastards, playing on people's fears. I have a modest supply too but I wouldn't be able to sleep knowing that I made money like that. But, as many will say, I guess that's the "American Way". Buy low, sell high - right?
Funny, when I bought more than enough of it for my family (a while back), my thought was to have enough of it to give to friends who wouldn't have thought to buy it for themselves.
Guess I need to open an E-Bay Sellers account. I didn't realize how much money I was missing out on. </sarcasm>
That was my thought too. I even bought the liquid form for my neighbor's baby. We live pretty close to a couple of nuclear plants so I wanted to be prepared just in case. I've been researching the closed/sold listing of PI on Ebay today. One lot of 4 packages (48 pills) went for close to $1000. Of course the seller offered free overnight shipping so it was quite a deal.
1000 dollars for 60 pills?
16 dollars a pill.
Cheaper than some medicines we use every day.
Yeah but this shit was .70 cents a pill up until last Thursday. Even less than that if you bought it as a supplement rather than IOSAT.
Even less than that! I bought a bottle off Amazon in 2009, so I just pulled up the record. $28 for 200 capsules, or $0.14 per capsule. Insane. More so because we're not even remotely near enough environmental exposure, even in Tokyo, let alone the US, to justify taking it.
In fact, it pisses me off so much, if there is a ZHer here who lives on the west coast, Hawaii, AK, etc, or has loved ones that live there, and they can't get it, respond to this post. I'll figure a way to get your particulars, and will send some tomorrow, free of charge.
Trolls needn't apply.
Same here CC. I'll extend the same offer.
y'know Colonel Cooper.....the world needs more people like you .Two hours ago I would have taken you up on the offer. About 1 hour ago my ex - sister-in-law phoned to say she found some yesterday at her naturopath's and is shipping some to me here in Nanaimo, B.C. I "ve been looking since Sunday ( one day late ) and everybody is out. I just found a local health food store that is getting in a large order tomorrow which I will partake in as a back-up. So thank you for your generosity !!!
"y'know Colonel Cooper.....the world needs more people like you .
Careful what you wish for, cause in reality I'm a total prick. But hey, thanks.
Funny how the moonbats always seem to have "stuff" when TSHTF isn't it?
I wish Americans loved doom enough to do something other than just buy a product. You can use tincture of iodine, iodine proviodone solution, iodized salt, a diet high in seafood, or iodine based water purification tablets to achieve the same effect as potassium iodide pills in blocking the accumulation of radioactive iodine isotopes in the thyroid gland, the only physiological system in the human body that uses iodine. Creditcards are not an acceptable substitute for utilizing your brain, especially in emergency situations. "The more you know, the less you need" - Bushman proverb
I doubt anybody interested in protecting themselves is going to be eating gulf or pacific seafood anytime soon. Including kelp, the best natural iodine source out there.
Just went long on table salt,banana chips, kale and spinach. Idiots!
@PY-129-20
Just for you.
http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl
Every single person involved in the nuclear industry.. and the bozo pols who give them the green light - should have to watch that.
I know. I was in Ukraine several times. I have a friend in Kiew. He was at Chernobyl when it happened. He worked as a doctor there. The stories he told me are horrific, absolutely nightmarish. Unfortunately, he is very ill now. Like many that went through this nightmare.
And please, if you consider to use these PI pills, don't take too much. If you take too much pills it is like poison. Some people in Germany poisoned themselves (after Chernobyl) because they took too many pills at once.
If you take them without exposure, you can die. I have a 76 yo Mother who was part of the US Rad. tests in the 50's. Melanoma, Breast and ovarian cancers. Has survived them all. Still as cute as when she won "tulip girl" in '35.
Are you an idiot? You're living next to a Toilet Bowl / Pool of oil.
We'll check back in the June - October time frame and see how you're doing.
One small hurricane fires up the Oil Blender and all of that Toxic / Corexit sludge.
Just hope you don't see a Cat 3, 4, or God Help all, the CAT 5 moving through the Gulf.
You're the one living in harms way I'm afraid.
And even if you're a pauper and live inland,,,,, Hurricane force winds will pick up and blow that crap for 100's if not 1000s of miles.
A few things every investor, even American, should know about Japan http://bit.ly/dOWfho
Why would you say such a thing? Why wouldn't you post a link to you logic? This is a very serious problem that everyone should hear.
God? is that you? I'm sorry to hear you've decided to eliminate that place. I mean I don't actually know anyone there, but as your son taught us, we should at least act like we care.
I've actually been praying to get rid of Kentucky. I know that there are a few people there I disagree with. I think they are homos or heretics, In any case please consider my request.
"but as your son taught us, we should at least act like we care."
*snicker*
(junked...for humor? Looks like the holier-than-thou crowd isn't turning their other cheeks today. Forgive me; I dare ya')
Looks like there are at least 8 members from Kentucky...
There's a funny headline - EU to apply stress tests to their nuke plants. Better not be as good as their bank stress tests.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/EU-to-apply-stress-tests-on-apf-3300721118.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=5&asset=&ccode=
whats wrong with Kentucky btw ? atleast they are self sufficient in a lot of food and have their own means of transport (horses) :-)
Q: How can you tell the toothbrush was invented in Kentucky?
A: Anywhere else and it would have been called a teethbrush.
Please take a look at this map (taken from the Spiegel Website)
http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-191816-galleryV9-nhjp.gif
At this point I wouldn't use any information given by any Japanese authority. Wind is blowing directly (03/16/11) on Tokio - according to German meterologists also slow with a chance of rain. Germans are advised to leave the area around Tokyo. Media and embassy is evacuated to Osaka.
And at the moment - simply nobody seems to have a clue how to stop it. They are trying to put this out with helicopters, smashing water on it - they had 1000 workers on the site and they weren't able to fix this. I fear that Herr Faber will be right about this.
Take everything Germans are saying about radioactivity with a grain of salt... correction: with a container of salt.\
There were discussions if Bavaria, a German state in the southeast, should be evacuated after Chernobyl.
You're right about that. But Chernobyl wasn't that far away. Even in 2006, you could find the Caesium 137 in Bavaria, some products still have too high Caesium 137 dosages and cannot be traded.
It was a horrible experience. And if you look at what happened in Chernobyl, it could have been even worse. So you're right about saying that Germans might be in panic mode about this topic. But it isn't certainly without a reason. Although other areas in that region are much more contaminated.
Update: 6.2 Earthquake 3 hours ago directly under Mt. Fuji (9km deep). Volcanic action or secondary fault developing?
Secondary fault. Definately. Tomorrow Japan will be split in two. They'll be able to reposition hubble to take photos of the earth's core. DJIA will close green.
Disclosure: I'm drunk.
Kinda early aint it?
Disclosure: I'm drunk
i'm junking you because there is no "Like" button.
+1
Disclosure: I'm drunking you, cheers!
Robo might get a good dose when he is out one night with his windows down in the Robo sled, cruising North Hollywood......
So trading is by the wind blows now?
Stocks up on less fallout one day than the next.
Shit, is this how low it's sunk?
No... low is shorting disaster areas or associated resources.
Scroll down following link for best effort.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
"When the wind blows, when the mothers talk..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9cS7LaEAYY
Pump up the volume.
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Id fight G: i think tyler is getting at the idea that the wind is shifting---from NNE to pretty much NW (wind OUT of these vectors). as HChinaski notes, below, the jet stream is up 5 miles and the surface winds are the main concern in many respects until we start seeing increased radioactivity above about 20-25,000 ft. and/or a BIG upward explosion.
this is good news for Tokyo. YAY!!!
i'm not sure, but maybe tyler and slewie share the same fear that IF the surface winds align more completely w/ the jet stream there would be more danger to the W. Coast, and especially hawaii as well as "upward mixing" which would not seem so likely with the wind blowing across the jet stream, as it has been since the core problems after the tsunami till this change.
tyler is just doing his job. thanks , TD! the wind direction change leads to a possible risk increase for the outllying islands and mainland of the US. hence, he writes: "By the looks of things, the Jetstream is about to start glowing in the dark."
don't expect TD to get too happy or start hoping till we get past this crisis and into the clean-up. to many of us, the crisis is still building; hasn't peaked, yet; we are not "on the downside" yet. we now have FOUR reactor problems and two more which are heating up. all 6 as far as we know, have NUCLEAR WASTE FUEL literally "attached at the hip". since these cores and waste can not be properly cooled, they keep getting hotter.
now, i am smoking the best shit i can get my little paws on, and if there is any good news here, i fail to see it. i'm not predicting a mushroon cloud, and neither is tyler, but until we get some handle on how MUCH fuel and waste and the TYPES, which info does not seem to be forthcoming yet, for some reason. the ACCOUNTING relating to the cores and wastes, if you follow, is needed in order to determine what is entering the atmosphere and the volumes of the whatses.
friends, this is not oil, or coal, or chemicals. these are nuclear reactors and this is radioactive fallout. the info people need to get a sense of the size of this event is NOT forthcoming. does hawaii NEED to go into civil defense mode? Does the W. Coast?
this is not about coal v. atomic energy. not about the oil futures price. not about whether nat. gas might be a really good idea.
perhaps tyler, and others are hoping to prevent this scenario: it is two weeks from today, and people in hawaii and the W.Coast ar estarting to show signs of radiation poisoning. the people in tokyo are worse off than first "realized" by "the authorities". people begin to ask, almost like the economic disasters: "Why didn't you DO something?"
and the goobermints will answer: "We didn't realize it was this bad!"
good thing it can't happen here right?
now we've had Sat, Sun, Mon, Tues, but the operators of the plants and the goobermints are NOT forthcoming with the information about the Nuclear materials and wastes and the temperature(s) to which they are subject.
WHY THE FUK NOT???????
To get into the jetstream it needs to go up more than that. More like 50,000. That would be an humdinger of an explosion, which is unlikely. I do not think we can write off California or anything like that.
that is incorrect, as far as i know.
if you can not think thru this, go somewhere else and play.
what is tyler saying? what am i saying? if you can understand english, some of mine not being too good, above, but you blocked me while i was editing.
if you have the info about the fuel, waste, and temperature, please post it. if you don't think it is important, fine. i do. do you not understand that this heat is NOW increasing and spreading? not decreasing and being contained? if you don't get it, it is not b/c you weren't advised of the severity of the problem and the dangers, and you are either a moron, insane, or both, so
GO FUCK YERSELF IN YER FAT STYOOPID ASS!!!
i'm asking for the fuel in 1-6.
the spent fuel in 1-6.
the temperatures in 1-6.
then, the variables will center on the temperatures in 1-6, over time, the winds, and the ocean and air currents, and any changes that might increase or decrease the radiation entering the greater ecosystems.
18 "bits" of data, certainly well known to the operators and goobermint agencies involved.
PUBLISH IT!!! NOW!!!
As of Mar. 2010 there were 1,760 tons of spent Uranium fuel stored at the Daiichi facility. All the spent fuel Japan uses is stored at the power plants and 1 offsite facility. The offsite facility is close to if not already full. So expect these numbers to be higher yoday.
shown on page 4 of this pdf
http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/6-1_powerpoint.pdf
worst case.
no cooling, no power, unrelenting meltdown (not atomic explosion, this is impossible in a power plant).
each power plant = hundreds of tons of potentially melted down fuel --> times 4-6 --> many hundred to a thousand tonnes of radioatomized waste released --> upper limit ppm can be estimated with volume of atmosphere.
best case.
power on, cooling, containment. likely minimal toxic environmental fallout.
aside.
nuclear waste is toxic after a threshold. humans do not know this threshold. there may even be beneficial 'hormetic' effects of low dose radiation, as it induces biological overcompensation to guard against further stresses of this sort. think of why people lift weights, same thing.
see radioactive elements as trojan horses. the body sees them, likes them, and uses them (unless saturated with that specific element --> people take KI) for biological purposes. all the while these atoms are firing bullets until half live expiration. decades. bad.
human physiology utilizes iodine in thyroid tissue; it does not differentiate from radioactive iodine. strontium has a valence of +2 (like calcium) and therefore radiostrontium can accumulate in bone (blood cells proliferate and differentiate in bone from stem cells there -> think leukemia). to my knowledge other radioactive elements do not accumulate in human tissue. they will either be excreted if ingested or can be soap-and-watered off.
waiting game.
to my knowledge <other> radioactive elements blow human physiology, quite literally, to smithereens; even the alpha emitters given the (in)correctly administered dose.
You & I should sit down for a cup of tea together sometime
wheat -53
I am reminded of the end of the world scenarios just one short year ago on shores of the GOM
that damn loop current
Seriously. The jet stream? That's 4-6 miles high. Aren't the surface winds the concern? The jet stream might be a concern if there was a blast with a large mushroom cloud, but the reactor is at sea level (more or less depending on tsunami conditions).
I think the worry is the possibility of a full core meltdown, i.e. fuel rods melt through the bottom of the containment structure and reach groundwater. The resultant steam explosion would send contamination plenty high enough to involve the jet stream.
No...the material has already been heavily salted with boron. A "China Syndrome" scenario is not realistic. The biggest worry is fire in the spent fuel basin creating a heat plume that could carry plutonium from the MOX in reactor #3 high enough to escape the immediate vicinity of the plant site. If the wind is inland...worst case scenario. Please note that even then it's Japan that gets hit, not the USA or anyone else. Korea might be close enough to worry, but it's normally upwind.
Finally, a voice of reason. The fallout has next to zero chance of hitting any US territory. Maybe the farmost western Aleutians or Guam IF the worst-case scenario occurs and the winds are really strong...even then, very doubtful.
Then explain how sand from China's sandstorms ends up in the US if those sandstorms are also originated at "ground level".
Dust, not sand. The difference between very light and relatively heavy.
I'm not saying radiation won't be detected in the US, because our instruments are amazing sensitive. I'm saying the amount of radiation that might make it this far will be comparable to eating a bunch of bananas (which are surprisingly radioactive...seriously).
you're aware of the difference between silicon oxides and plutonium, right?
Chernobyl radiation went around the world and was detected in Canada, the northern USA, and much of Europe. People in the Pacific Northwest were advised to avoid eating certain foods grown in that year.
That true, but if we are concerned about health effects then it's the amount of radiation that matters, not whether it's detectable or not. As for advisories to not eat certain foods...that was silly. Same thing is happening again; mindless fear from people who did not pay attention in school.
What governmental babysitter taught you about the effects of radiation? We still had study hall/nap time in highschool where I went...
TeamAmerica is right. All you people worrying about meaningful amounts of radiation in America ought to chill the fuck out. Probably some of the same people who worry so much they go get a full body screening CT scan "to be sure everything's good."
Let's hope those guys get it under control, b/c Japan has suffered enough.
i was in the Pac NW then and recall no such admonition.
A lot of crazy people are scared of radiation "20x" normal. Yet they board airline flights all the time.
Has it occurred to a lot of the people around here that radiation hysteria is being FED? Perhaps this explains your apoplexy at those who tell you to stop the histrionics?
i was in the Pac NW then and recall no such admonition.
Perhaps that's why you kept your windows open when you shouldn't have, and your face turned yellow?
Or is that just a wicked case of jaundice you're sportin'?
I am not aware of it going that far, but it certainly can travel widely.For example, biological anthropologists have (since 1986) found high levels of thyroid and other cancers in the Chuckchi people of far eastern Russia (they live on the peninsula closest to Alaska)-a huge distance downwind from the Chernobyl incident. It was found that the radioactive isotopes from the fallout had accumulated in the lichens that the reindeer ate that the Chuckchi indigenous folks ate. Contaminants accumulate in apex predators (top of the food chain) such as Tuna, or even in grazers. My point with this comment is that exposure to radioactivity in the ambient environment is not the only problem. Another problem is contamination of water supplies. A greater problem is the gradual accumulation and sequestration of radioactive isotopes in food sources such as predatory fish, sharks, and livestock(produce, because of the food-chain rule state above, tends to have lesser levels).
Wrong... look up "Chernobyl".
A hard rain's gonna fall.
I found METARs for Japan which observe surface conditions at airports.
Current observations at Fukushima Airport are wind out of 010 at 11kt vis unlimited. At Utsonomiya airport wind is out of 030 doing 4kts with light rain(!fallout?). At Tokyo International the winds are 010 at 11kts.
Basically, the surface winds (and any fallout) are running right down the east coast towards Tokyo.
http://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/wx/
This is all HYPE. Here is a map of all the nuclear testing that went on the world over, in 60s. We are still alive and kicking.
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/images/tstmap1a.gif
And they helped produce the likes of the wild and wonderful Whites of West Virginia.
Or was that inbreeding???
They existed before any nuclear testing.
Love that Dancing Outlaw
Yeah, stupid crazy dead Russians. Don't they know that underground and underwater nuke detonations are exactly the same as nuclear meltdowns?
Mmmm, not quite hype. There were deaths from the fallout from the nuclear testing done back in the 50's and 60's. I think Scientific American had an article about it a long time ago, but my memory is very hazy as to the source. There is other evidence as well. So yes, it does appear that concerns about deaths from fallout are valid.
The question is how much of a risk is this? That is unknown, and it's the uncertainty which is causing the fear.
That said, your point that many survived without being affected is valid. I say this as someone who not only grew up downwind somewhat of the blasts, but who had relatives who actually went and saw some of the above ground tests for a lark. This was before the dangers of fallout were known. And all of them either lived to a very old age, or are still around. Of course, I do believe they must have been up wind, but still.
The points raised earlier about the Jet Stream being high, and thus of no concern, aren't valid. The SF Bay area gets a lot of soot particles from China. I believe it makes up a good percentage of the soot here. So yes, it is of concern. I'm not panicking though. Japan is a very long ways away.
Your memory is very hazy. Nuclear testing may have caused deaths, but not in any acute sense. We're talking a statistical increase in the incidence of cancer and cause-effect linkage is very difficult to prove.
This will clear up the haze... Link below.
After decades of asserting fallout levels were too low to cause cancer, the government position changed after the Cold War ended. Federal studies estimated that fallout caused 49,000 Americans to develop thyroid cancer, with few fatalities (10), and about 15,000 Americans died of cancer from fallout. (11) Some believed these figures to be gross underestimates; a blue-ribbon European panel estimated worldwide cancer cases from fallout to be 123,200,000, half of them fatal. (12) But U.S. health officials, not eager to consider mass carnage, stopped studies of fallout in 2002.
http://www.counterpunch.org/mangano12222010.html
John Wayne and half of the cast died after making the movie "The Conqueror in Utah.
"I'm horrified to have to report this, John, but your girlfriend's claim is only slightly exaggerated. Of the 220 persons who worked on The Conqueror on location in Utah in 1955, 91 had contracted cancer as of the early 1980s and 46 died of it, including stars John Wayne, Susan Hayward, and Agnes Moorehead, and director Dick Powell. Experts say under ordinary circumstances only 30 people out of a group of that size should have gotten cancer. The cause? No one can say for sure, but many attribute the cancers to radioactive fallout from U.S. atom bomb tests in nearby Nevada."
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/374/did-john-wayne-die-of-cancer-caused-by-a-radioactive-movie-set
Thank you, Rusty and Dan. Yes, that was the type of information I was thinking of.
The risk in the US from the Japanese events remains quite low.
Regarding general fallout dangers, they are definitely real as you mention:
In the 50s and 60s, the problem was much worse than the US led everyone to believe. One of the more interesting stories is about a John Wayne movie, The Conqueror. It was filmed on location in Utah, 100 miles downwind of a major nuclear test site, during the peak of nuclear testing in the 50s. By 1980 at least 90 of the people involved with the film had contracted cancer, 3X what would normally be seen, and a huge percentage had died.
Still, as bad as things are in Japan, thus far they're not sucking up tons and tons of dirt, irradiating it, and blasting it into the sky the way a single bomb does.
seek: i hope you are right when you say: "The risk in the US from the Japanese events remains quite low."
however, would that not depend, pretty much totally, on the amounts and types of core and waste being possibly "incinerated"?
what, exactly are the names and amounts of the materials in the 6 cores and waste pools? what are the temperatures?
this information is important and being withheld.
PUBLISH THE INFORMATION, JAPAN! NOW!!!
Spalding did have a link earlier this morning (I think) that inventoried the spent fuel rods. It was a shitload. You can backtrack him to find it.
And thanks to you, too, Seek. My, you are on a roll today. :)
Being an alpha geek is occasionally useful :)
You want more entertainment, look up the "plowshare" program. They used nukes to "frac" gas wells in New Mexico. Of course the natural gas that came out contained trace levels of radionuclides, which impacted its commercial value just a tad.
It's starting to bother me just how much they're whipping up fear here, we're looking at something akin to a 5,000-7000X difference in radiation release between Chernobyl and Japan right now, and this is being bandied about as being as bad or worse than Chernobyl; I really don't think how bad "bad" is, is being communicated, particularly for the distant populations.
My sympathies are with the plant workers; based on the last reports, they can work perhaps 2 hours before reaching acute radiation sickness levels, and if they work three days straight, are certain to reach lethal doses.
My guess is by the end of the week we'll be hearing about tens to hundreds of plant workers either dead or dying with mortal radiation sickness. These men are truly heroes, sacrificing themselves to minimize the damage to others.
All the people who stayed at the reactors working to do their best to minimize harm are heros.
above-ground nuke tests were common during the latter 40's thru the early 60's.
http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/rert/nuclearblast.html
how does the present radiation release compare to those events?
since we all survived the era of above-ground nuke testing, I have to conclude that this event too shall pass.This is all HYPE. Here is a map of all the nuclear testing that went on the world over, in 60s. We are still alive and kicking.
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John Wayne isn't.
As another reader posted, look at this http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl and tell me again that it is hype. Just because you have never traveled to Ukraine, Belarus, Bikini Atol, or the Chuckotka penninsula in Russia, I suppose everything is a fabricated nightmare scenario. Wake up to the nightmare of the real.
Can we get an internet map to see how Tyler's hysteria is spreading around the world?
Tyler stepped out for a few moments, GW is at the helm
Tyler stepped out for a few moments, GW is at the helm
bwahahaha
we're all doomed! doomed I tell you!
PANIC NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW
DIG UP THE SILVER AND RUNNNNNNNN
Where to?
to the bugout ranch!!!
Surely it isn't downwind too, is it?
just an attemt to end this fucking joke of a world ponzi scheme. I don't blame him, I would do the same.
Spitzer;
You s'pose the placement of the "cooling pond" atop the reactor was inadvertant?
what tha...
you think they have been planning and waiting for this tsunami for 3 decades as part of some PLAN?
Wow...the insanity around here is even worse than I thought, no wonder...
wasnt' that long ago that he pointed out a little squabble just beginning in Tunisia, and lots of folk right here made light of it as hysteria then, too.
well played, sir.
I have a brother working in papua new guinea...looks like he's going to be getting the tail end of it.
tail end of WHAT? the info that your bro needs in order to decide what is bet for him to do, if anything, is being withheld by the japanese.
RELEASE THE MATERIALS AND TEMPERATURE DATA, NOW, JAPAN!!!
why don't you use you voice to ask for the data too, sir? if it is just the same as a jet flight or a coupla xrays, what's the big secret?
why is our REALITY once again structured by THEM having a "secret", and US arguing about whether there might be a problem for us, or not, sooner or later?
many, perhaps all, of us live directly "downstream" from SIX nuclear reactors and SIX nuclear waste pools which are so close together that the heat from the one on the left is causing a problem in the one on the right, which (i believe) was not operating, producing electric, the problems are getting worse heat-wise, the authorities are not saying what materials, quantities, and temps are involved, and i, personally, would like to have the information.
apparently, the japanese don't care, or might be socially ostracised if they stepped outa line and asked what the data was AT THE REACTORS. but if americans, canadians, mexicans, aussies, and islanders like your bro are canaries in the coal mine, too, please allow me to express myself at not being provided the info: FUK THAT BULLSHIT!!!
dude...they can't hear you.
TEPCO is too busy trying to get this reactor cooled to deal with your hysteria right now.
The Pacific is pretty freakin wide; don't worry so much
They don't seem too busy at all.
Why didn't they get backup diesel generators on site the very first day?
Roads destroyed you say?
YOU CAN FLY A CHINOOK WITH THE GENERATORS TO THE SITE.
So now their genius idea is to piss onto the exposed rods in hopes of cooling them?
There is something very fishy about all of this going on.
Who owns TEPCO? The JPMorgan/Rockefeller/Rotschild mafia??
Has it occurred to you that they are withholding that information at the request of other governments?
We're getting messages on SMS here in India now to stay indoors if it rains.
purple, Sparkley rain, right here in Indyaa. Wow!
Hey, all non-smokers, I suggest you pick a pack and start puffing. Joe Viall's (bless his soul) thought it was a perfect foil to all things radiative/radioactive. he sure convinced me.
Don't need a whether this or whether that man to knwo which way this ill-wind blows.
It's coming, to all of us.
As I said yesterday, we are all Japanese now. Sooner or later anyways.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/fukushima-blessed-island-trinity-unleashed/
Joe! Ol' man Joe. He sure was onto something before he was off'd. I miss his writings for sure. The original man made tsunami man.
Yup jim, it was joe that made me go off the deep end. I really miss him and orlin Grabbe.
Fearless men, both dead mysteriously in their 60's.
I wonder what they would be sayign now.
ORI
"let me out of this coffin!", is my guess.
i had never heard of joe before these posts. i wiki ed him and it said he died of a heart attack while in hospital?
Uh, no it ISN'T "coming to all of us," you goddamned moonbat.
India is toxic anyway of its own accord.
As for smoking, among radiation miners, those who smoked 10 or less cigs a day had a lower incidence of cancer than nonsmokers. Above 10/day the rate went up.
so tha's another reason 11 is bad, for sure!
The following blog is informative and current: http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/west-coast-usa-danger-if-japan-nuc...
Does radiation dissipate according to the inverse square law? If so I don't think there is much to worry about US being affected.
I see it does.
http://www.ndt-ed.org/GeneralResources/Formula/RTFormula/InverseSquare/I...
Doesn't matter.
It could be raining plutonium rods and our government will tell us that we are fine.
...best laugh I've had all day... thanks!
Well, plutonium rods wouldn't be so bad. That'd be like someone dropping gold bricks on you, but radioactive. If you're not killed by the impacts, you're rich!
Just don't breath the dust.
Think of the money you'll save, not having to turn on your lamps at night!
...and just try and not cook all of your Hungry-Man dinners at the same time!!
meanwhile, the Japanese government has given pretty fair accountings of the situation at FD1 as they had information.
Geiger counters are still streaming, radiation levels are still reported from the plant.
And nobody, at any time, said shit was fine. They just didn't say "PANIC, RUN, TSHTF, TEOTWAWKI, DIG UP SILVER" so folks like you whose brains can't hold more than 2 outcomes, assumed it to mean that they were saying everything was ok.
I guess when they don't feed your misanthropy, you get bitchy or something.
...oh how exciting, it's trav7777
Mr Fuckin' know it all
What did you learn in school today you little shit?
ah, you noticed too eh, Trav knows everything.
This site is buggy today.
very buggy. trav seemed cogent to me. break time, eh?
lol
+10
They just didn't say "PANIC, RUN
You're to funny today.
What would you call removing 800 workers from the site and leaving a skelton crew of between 80 and 50 with all the shit going on at this site? No they didn't say "panic, run" they just told them "it's time to leave boys.... ".
No pictures or video available of post explosion of reactor #2 or fire at #4... this is telling in and of itself. If you do have a link of current photos please post it.
huh?
The effing cameras were rolling LIVE all night on NHK!
The fire at 4 was contained inside and the explosion at 2 was in the vessel at the bottom of the thing. It may have caused a CRACK in it, but in any event, the "explosion" was inside the containment vessel.
Jet stream? No. Radioactivity will be picked up by surface winds and pushed out to sea. Not sure how much, if any, would reach the West Coast.
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/radnowc/
Radar images of Japan's precip available here
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1764
Dr. Jeff Master's weatherblog has a post on this. (No relation to a certain Blythe M.)
A low pressure system is located over Japan near Tokyo today, and the counterclockwise flow of air around this low is bringing easterly winds over the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, which lies to the north-northeast of Tokyo. These easterly winds are blowing radioactivity inland over Japan. As the low tracks northeastward along the coast of Japan today, winds at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will gradually shift to northeast and then northwest, which will move radiation towards Tokyo for several hours, which may be long enough for some radiation to reach the city.
i think tyler is talking about the wind and weather just before he posted, don't you? here: 03/15/2011 14:51 -0400
now, why don't you, UMOP EPISDN, compare the time of the data YOU relate to: 03/15/2011 14:51 -0400, the time of tyler's data? not too hard for you, i hope!
also, why did you leave out this, from the very para you quote from, which is his conclusion?: Both (of Masters') models predict that by 18 GMT today (2pm EDT), the threat to Tokyo will be over, with more westerly winds blowing the radioactive cloud out to sea.
now, how does your guy's assessment for 2PM eastern time compare with tyler's which is not an actual report, not a "modelling"?
why! they are the SAME!!! tyler posted @ 2:51PM eastern and, sure enuf, they're in the same time frame and they have the same report and conconclusions, but by different methodologies.
now go back where you came from and don't come back until you can understand what i have just told you, OK? t.y.
peace. slewie.
Life's a beach, ain't it
assumptions are not science. We do not know all the facts, except the rad levels are rising , that some serious release is evident and the and that the wind blows east. The jetstream is the motion, and with it comes rain and smog that comes back to earth. ZH has only put out info and hypothetical possibilities. The scientific method prevails.