With International Wealth Fund Sponsorship, Illinois Prices $3.7 Billion Pension Bond

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Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:01 | 989927 Ragnarok
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Gov'ts living bond auction to bond auction.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:24 | 990059 chet
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Borrowing money to pay retirees. 


"All we need is a little more time.  We'll figure something else out.  I swear!"

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:49 | 990195 Sean7k
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Let's see, you figure 8-9% investment income to support the plan. Now add 5% for the bond cost. Now, you need 13-14% return every year to STAY EVEN! They couldn't stay even before, so how do they stay even now? 

If Madoff had this kind of backing, he would have gone on forever. 

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:00 | 990245 Agent P
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The pension fund doesn't bear the cost of debt, the state does...your conclusion is still correct though.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 22:31 | 991335 Buck Johnson
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Your exactly right, the state does but guess what the state will do.  They will cut pension benefits and other things in order to restructure and to be able to go back into the muni market.  Yea the state is responsible, but they will pay it on the backsides of the retirees and the people of Illinios.

Thu, 02/24/2011 - 03:20 | 992095 StychoKiller
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Who are the yahoos passing out drinks to these lushes??

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:56 | 990181 Cleanclog
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I wonder if this is part of the explanation for why the 5 yr Treas auction was such a pile of crap today.  Maybe the word to the sov. wealth funds and others was . . . save a state from getting really bad in order to support the USA?  Or maybe they like the nearly 300bp greater yield.  Or maybe they "know" that state bonds will start being accepted for POMO (sarc/ on that last point . . . but then again?)

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:47 | 990183 Hard1
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It's the Lybians buying anything they can outside of their country....most of them stand to loose it all anyway, just a couple years later.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 18:32 | 990610 Head for the Hills
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It is the Fed behind a shell game. 

Nobody else is as generous as the money printers.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 22:33 | 991339 Buck Johnson
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And sooner or later it will be just the govt. will be the only buyer of the bonds.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:02 | 989928 Josh Randall
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Israel expects Hyman Roth..errr...Rahm Emanuel to deliver on these bonds

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:07 | 989958 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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Seriously. What else could it be?

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:23 | 990021 buzzsaw99
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Yep. Rahm's connections in the WH is what bondholders (and illinois voters) are banking on. Borrowing money to pay pensioners. Good grief!

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:05 | 989943 tekhneek
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Bonds, bitchez.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 18:24 | 990590 Rogerwilco
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Schuld macht uns frei!

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:09 | 989946 whatz that smell
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coordinated intervention, btchz!

magic green light ignites rabid synchronistic dip buying! truly impressive.

god bless the bernank! may he QuEase forever!

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:06 | 989948 John McCloy
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Here comes the push green. Markets continue along under the assumption that until Ben is deposed from power the corruption and lies will continue.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:07 | 989956 Oh regional Indian
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Rahm is in the house boyz and girlz. Rahm's in the house.
Chicago's (Ill noises) days of begging for fiat are over.
Look west. CA is where it will detonate.
California = Kali Poorne (End of Kali, literal sanskrit)

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:09 | 989969 dark pools of soros
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Can they sell the next 75 years of parking meter funds to cover this?



Wed, 02/23/2011 - 18:28 | 990601 AbandonShip
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No, we've already leased it out for like 99 years to Daley's cousin.  Seriously.  Look it up.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:10 | 989970 Panafrican Funk...
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Bazooka'ed pension funds by way o' stock market crash = outsized bond issuance and subsequent unsustainable debt load. 

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:14 | 989997 apberusdisvet
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suuuuccckkkkkeeers are reborn every minute in the marxist/union/mafia capitol of the mid west Ponzi America

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:16 | 990014 savagegoose
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so  state workers can rest assured their pensions are safe... for another 6 months!

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:18 | 990026 NotApplicable
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Glad I don't live in Illinois any more! Or should I say, the International Republic of Illinois?

Looks like somebody just bought 12,910,409 personal servants. Soros, is that you?

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:28 | 990080 dark pools of soros
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..the pool's warm.. come in for a dip

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:12 | 990296 Agent P
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12,910,458...you forgot to add our new guests from Wisconsin and Indiana.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:23 | 990046 dick cheneys ghost
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Union protests planned for all 50 states for saturday.



Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:45 | 990166 gwar5
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The commies are coordinating their revolution.

Looks like Glenn Beck was right after all. Crazy.

Looks a little more like the Latin Model to me.

Obama can always fix it right up with martial law.


Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:26 | 990067 Greater Fool
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Hm, nothing like levering up to throw money into this market. Good luck, Illinois!

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:27 | 990073 Seasmoke
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dont worry Rahm is on the way to save Illnoise

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:29 | 990083 SwingForce
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Repeat after me:



repeat, out loud.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:32 | 990099 Seasmoke
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and they borrow money for "retirees" who pack up and take their pension money elsewhere or if connect/corrupt get a 2nd public job

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:34 | 990112 PulauHantu29
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No problem. Any losses they incur will just be passed to the Middle Class taxpayers of Illinois...all profits will be given to bondholders.

More of the same.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:56 | 990227 Seasmoke
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Privatize the gains, socialize the losses.....the real cause of the anger

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 16:38 | 990136 gwar5
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Squid pro squid. Just recycled Bernanke bucks.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:03 | 990257 I am a Man I am...
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what idiot would chase a percentage point for that bottom tranche??????

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 19:37 | 990834 Gold 36000
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probably my brother in law.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:06 | 990272 Scottj88
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Great, and with Emanuel, Illinois is in for a real treat...

Dangerous times ahead for the economy...


Inflation coming...

150$, then 200$+ oil coming...

Prepare youself

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:13 | 990300 10kby2k
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I have a question: Why would a state sell taxable bonds that are not subsidized? Is it a legal question or are they suibsidized in some other way? 

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:30 | 990383 Gordon Freeman
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Remember what happened when the sovereign wealth funds were "investing" in the big banks?  That one didn't turn out so well...

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:36 | 990415 ZackAttack
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You know eventually some state's going to get the bright idea of using the pension money to buy the bonds. I mean, it's worked so well at the national level and all.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 20:07 | 990906 Greater Fool
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+several trillion

Social Security has been doing it for years.

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 17:39 | 990431 ivana
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International Wealth Funds???

Let's see ... sounds like coming from offshore ... invested by WS "utilities" ... oh now I see - it's FED money again! :-)

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 18:31 | 990605 AbandonShip
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"tranches"....I know I've heard that word before somewhere.  Something about correlations.  Oh well

Wed, 02/23/2011 - 21:45 | 991158 cranky-old-geezer
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State govt (and local govt) pensioners are screwed.   The Fed is the only real funder of fund shortfalls now, via proxies obviously.  Folks may get their checks but the dollars won't buy much.

Thu, 02/24/2011 - 00:29 | 991722 Wags
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So the Fed lends imaginary & basically free money to the Big Banks who loan it to Foreign Funds who then buy Illinois Bonds.Win-Win-Win. Lose US

Thu, 02/24/2011 - 06:19 | 992174 vxpatel
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The city and state still own title to the stadiums of some pretty big sports teams...ebay bitchez...

Sat, 05/21/2011 - 00:44 | 1297615 kummar
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