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Nice call. Looked like it was only going to get wider last night.
And any minute chart momentum traders probably closed it prematurely. At least their broker will buy them dinner/consolation entertainment.
The less i obsess the better i trade. It has been hard not to obsess thru this insanity.
what about the 3 tick momo floaters?
oh, "an expert bond trader now" are we? while i would VERY much like to see Fed Chairman "Tyler Durden" not even I venture into this dark place.
over my pay grade....Jesus
I still have no idea what this trade was. It was complete gibberish to me.
Can anyone explain at least what the mechanics were for those of us that want to learn?
The 10 year Treasury, The S&P 500 futures, oil and the Euro (vs.$US) had been highly correlated as evidenced by the left side of the chart - they go up/down very much together.
Suddenly, The 10yr. (yellow line) breaks away from the pack - off yesterday's S&P news probably. The trade here was a bet that they (or the 10yr and the S&P futures at least) would return to their previous correlation and intersect (or come very close) again.
This bet was placed via a "butterfly" trade (look it up) which arranges things so that getting the direction right isn't required to profit, just the convergence of the securities in question.
That + brass balls = victory.
+10 Thanks a lot, this was a much clearer explaination than the original post.
Is there a reason or benefit in making the position using a butterfly trade instead of simplying going long one and short the other? The simple long/short will also remove direction as a factor...
If both securities/indicies move in the same direction but at different rates they could still converge but a long/short trade might not be as profitable. So some arb/butterfly/convergence strategies try to neutralize that risk.
Now that I look at this thing again I'm not really sure why the 2s and 30s are being dragged into this trade (and it's been a while for me with some of this shit) but I think I have the gist of it here. Don't call your broker just yet though!
Merc, you're slightly off on interpretation of the "butterfly" portion.
In this case, the "butterfly" is a nickname for the treasury spread incorporating the 2y-10y-30y maturities. You are thinking of the direction-neutral "butterfly" option combination which uses either 4 calls or puts with different strike prices but same expirations to profit from the volatility of the underlying.
I see, the treasury butterfly trade can be used as a bet that the spread between the middle (10yr) bond vs. it's "wings" will revert back to it's previous, "normal" spread.
Or it's just a clever way to generate six commissions!
He was basically saying that E minis [the S/P basically] and the ten year treasury have a negative correlation but yesterday they traded together [both down in price due to neg outlook for treasuries etc].
His bet was that they would reverse to the mean, ie - both up today.
It's a simple concept, one that did not need as many securities loaded as he had, nor the lingo he used.
Treasuries and equities usually do not fall in price together, so if they do, bet that they will rise in price together shortly, reverting back to the original correlation.
We are glad you made money on the trade.
This is the most I have seen TD interact on the message board. I like it, please continue to do so.
I wonder if the comments last night.got to you.
Thin skinned, or just bragging now, or what?
What.comments? If an arb trade does as expected. It is.closed.
A couple of guys noted it started widening after you posted it.
Nothing wrong with bragging by the way. You handed me an easy score in cyh recently. Thanks.
Jeez you even get criticized for correct calls? Well the trolls are beside themselves with silver and gold busting out like crazy, their anguish and anger is understandable.
VMW skying 9% AH
what kind of healthy pullback could silver do.. 30%?
easily. people forget it's not a pure anti-dollar play.
IBM lurching higher, up 2%
If the squid showed us anything today....Buy the rumor sell the news this earnings season
is that a squid washing ashore? don't see that everyday.
anyone hearing this guy on bloomberg.. Piper Intel Analyst is a moron
ok! my hair may grow back. can we buy some Morgan silver dollars now? pullleeeease?
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