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Intraday Market Observations - All Dollar Hope Abandon Ye Who Enter

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The carry trade in full force as the dollar keeps hitting new lows (DXY at 75.31), the VIX breaking below 21 and the S&P moving over 1,100 as limit orders are engaged on yet another low volume day. The USD has moved from purgatory and is about to enter the first circle of Bernanke hell.

 

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Mon, 10/19/2009 - 13:55 | 103529 Gilgamesh
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To be fair, DXY hit 75.21 last Thursday.  But, is there any point on not riding this down to 71-72ish?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 13:58 | 103533 QevolveQ
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Just another "buy every asset class" day for US markets.

All of these are within about .1% of their respective highs of the day at the same time:

Stocks

Long Bonds

Gold

Oil

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:06 | 103547 ghostfaceinvestah
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In other words, if you are a deflationist who believes in holding dollars, you are getting poorer day after day.

Bernanke made it so simple even a child could understand.

(Note too the hidden message on gold in this speech)

http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021121/default.htm

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The conclusion that deflation is always reversible under a fiat money system follows from basic economic reasoning. A little parable may prove useful: Today an ounce of gold sells for $300, more or less. Now suppose that a modern alchemist solves his subject's oldest problem by finding a way to produce unlimited amounts of new gold at essentially no cost. Moreover, his invention is widely publicized and scientifically verified, and he announces his intention to begin massive production of gold within days. What would happen to the price of gold? Presumably, the potentially unlimited supply of cheap gold would cause the market price of gold to plummet. Indeed, if the market for gold is to any degree efficient, the price of gold would collapse immediately after the announcement of the invention, before the alchemist had produced and marketed a single ounce of yellow metal.

What has this got to do with monetary policy? Like gold, U.S. dollars have value only to the extent that they are strictly limited in supply. But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation."

 

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:12 | 103559 Hephasteus
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Don't make me start a liquidation up in here to keep the deflation myth alive. Cause I will!!! LOL

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:23 | 103572 tip e. canoe
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watch the debt ceiling...that may be the turn?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:35 | 103584 Cheeky Bastard
Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:12 | 103624 tip e. canoe
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hey cheeky, article that elaborates on the headline you linked to:

http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/oct2009/pi20091012_141907.htm

not yet set in stone.  could be an opp for certain congresscritters to feign concern for the "financial health" of the US, while getting tiny tim worked up in a tizzy.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:22 | 103632 Cheeky Bastard
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thank you tip e. canoe, and could you please tell me where is the exact location of that ziggurat you have as your avatar.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:41 | 103653 ZerOhead
Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:48 | 103664 Cheeky Bastard
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my bad, the continent is good, the purpose of the structure on the picture does not qualify it as a ziggurat ....

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 18:18 | 103830 Cognitive Dissonance
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Fatwah on Cheeky. Everyone else, you should have seen Cheeky on #radioZH chat Sunday morning. Hilarious.

Tue, 10/20/2009 - 00:21 | 104126 tip e. canoe
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0head wins the golden trinket.

to be exact, temple of jaguar, tikal.

but speaking of ziggurats, follow the yellow brick road...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FortKnoxGoldVault2.jpg

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:31 | 103578 Gilgamesh
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Yes, actually Ben being appointed is the reason I greatly increased my gold holdings back then.  I had read about his history, and how his lesson from the Great Depression is to avoid deflation at all costs.

While I believe we are still due for an event shock (and my hedges in place for that are evaporating daily), there has been no mystery as to Ben Anti-Franklin's trend/endgame.  I do have to thank WND for being so early in calling this out and exposing me to the real Fed - basically offering the red pill to a naive investor.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:39 | 103593 Steak
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My personal favorite theory is that we're in a practice run for the inflation to come.  Where 08 was practice without pads or hitting, and this go round will be a full scrimmage.  Chinese overproduciton allows this to be something of a self sustaining cycle.  Note in M.Pettis' latest missive the Chinese govt and big 4 have pulled back on lending and increasing stockpiles, but smaller players are more than picking up the slack.  But ultimately Chinese overproduction is deflationary.

So IMHO this round of dollar sell-off and asset inflation is going to look and feel like the real deal, but will ultimately be short circuited before a full blown collapse in the dollar (or Treasuries for that matter).

http://mpettis.com/2009/10/china%e2%80%99s-september-data-suggest-that-the-long-term-overcapacity-problem-is-only-intensifying/

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 19:23 | 103873 jm
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Educate me.  The Fed buys $x trillion of MBS from banks.  Banks have excess reserves.  Good credits don't want loans, bad credits desperate for them.  Banks don't loan and sit on excess reserves.  Sure, there will be inflation if credit growth kicked in, but we have credit destruction.

The dollar is in the toilet not because of inflation, but because the marginal buyers in free markets don't like the Fed felching rotten paper out of banks.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:50 | 103607 Anonymous
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No f'ing kidding. With all this money printing the price of sea water rising!

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:05 | 103543 Sancho Ponzi
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There's an interesting development at the Fed as the latest Term Auction Facility offering amount has increased for the first time this year. Is the end of QE1 affecting liquidity, or do the banks just want another $25 billion to pump equities?  

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:17 | 103564 ghostfaceinvestah
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Interesting observation, thanks.

Further proof that the end of UST buying is a non-event.  Bernanke has plenty ways to print dollars, and can find more if needed.

Oh, but I know, the "dollar is going to bounce back" because shorting it is a "crowded trade".  Keep believing that BS.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:21 | 103569 Sancho Ponzi
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This was not expected.

Fox Business 09/24/09

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/finance/fed-cuts-taf-tslf-loan-amounts/

'The Federal Reserve Bank of New York said Thursday it would again reduce the amounts of credit offered under its Term Auction Facility and Term Securities Lending Facility, citing continued improvements in financial market conditions. The amount of some TAF loans will be reduced as low as $25 billion, down from $75 billion in the most recent operations and $150 billion offered during worse periods in the credit crisis. The 28-day operations scheduled through January will continue to be for $75 billion to account for possible year-end pressures. TSLF offerings will be reduced to $50 billion in October and $25 billion in the subsequent three months, after already reducing the frequency of operations and the type of securities accepted for exchange'.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:33 | 103576 mdtrader
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Lessons coming the way off the dollar bears soon I feel. These type of people always show up close to market turning points. It's a one way bet you cannot lose, sell dollars, you cannot lose honest! And then bam something happens and everybody is the wrong way and scrambling.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:44 | 103600 Steak
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If the MAX PAIN theme continues then we'd see a breakdown to 74 then a reversal up to almost 80 before heading back down.  Lately I've been very well served looking at these "key technical levels" through the lens of both sides getting hosed.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:32 | 103581 Gubbmint Cheese
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Ghost.. always appreciate your thoughts and comments. would be interested in hearing more about where you are seeing things six months out. Im in the deflationist camp but am always open to other theories.. and I respect your comments greatly. Just heading back from Las Vegas.. more people there compared to March but its still a million miles away from 'normal'.
cheers
GC

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:39 | 103591 ghostfaceinvestah
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I can only tell you what I am doing.

Watch what Bernanke does, not what he says.  Here are numbers he cannot lie about, because the market would call him out pretty quickly:

http://www.ny.frb.org/markets/mbs/

the longer these continue, the lower the dollar goes, and the higher everything priced in dollars.

Most on this board won't get it, because they don't understand the MBS market.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:10 | 103621 Mark Beck
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The total I have is around 1.45T for the MBS (agency) paper FED purchase, and we know that the Long T 300B purchase is about to end.

Do you know under what legislative authority the FED can purchase MBSs?

I know TARP had a provision to purchase, I think up to 700B of MBSs, but the FED seems to be at least 2X beyond this.

Will the FED MBS buy program end with TARP expiration? TARP could end at the end of this calender year.

Thanks 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:19 | 103629 ghostfaceinvestah
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Fed MBS buying is not related to TARP.  The Treasury is buying some MBS, I think the authority came from TARP (or from the Fannie/Freddie bailout - you know, when Paulson said if you have a bazooka in your pocket?).

Fed MBS buying is unauthorized and unrestricted.  It is scheduled for now at 1.25T, but it will not end there.  Not the minutes of the last Fed meeting, several members talked about upping the amount.

It will be increased, they have no choice.  There are no other buyers for Fannie/Freddie MBS.

The dollar will continue to fall as a result.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:28 | 103636 Sancho Ponzi
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Let's throw some more taxpayer money at Fannie and Freddie. Bernanke cannot drive mortgage rates down below 4%, so Geithner will backstop him. Denninger's going to have a coronary.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59I47Y20091019

 

U.S. launches aid for state, local housing agencies

'The program, described as temporary by the Treasury, the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Federal Housing Finance Agency, will use government-sponsored mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to provide temporary financing for housing finance agencies hurt by gridlock in the credit markets'

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:33 | 103648 docj
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Awesome - another band-aid for a sucking chest wound.

What was that about "having to cut the deficit" again Ben?  Timmay?  Bueller?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:42 | 103657 ghostfaceinvestah
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1.25T in Fed MBS buying.

300B in Fed agency debt buying.

400B in equity to Fannie/Freddie.

$8K FTHB tax credit (soon to be raised to 15K any home buyer tax credit).

Untold future losses being written today by the FHA.

9 month foreclosure moratoriums.

Etc, etc.

And yet, delinquencies continue to spike, and house prices have barely stabilized.

The govt has no choice but to continue deficit spending, and the Fed printing money, to support housing.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 23:37 | 104095 Anonymous
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Be reminded that we are about to open another war front in Iran. The demographic overload as boomers retire; unsupportable Medicaid, Medicare. Interest on past federal debt, state and municipal debt loads and the decimation of most industries, including demand satiation created by past two decades of rampant consumption.

Equation tally shows that monstrous debt load still must be assumed, monetary unit must be debauched, taxes must be raised.

Money must drain from equities. Interest must ramp up on Treasuries. Dollar must fall and then stabilize in order to entice investment with $ denomination.

Or, and this is the worry, there must be some social upheaval, revolution, war of scale, complete restructure globally of money system issuance. World CB and one unifying currency.

The refusal to reform, or to prosecute wrongdoers, or to allow the truth to be fully available leads me to believe it is desirable to TPTB that stress loads we built to intolerable levels in order to bring about that agenda.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 17:58 | 103809 Anonymous
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[quote="SP"]Denninger's going to have a coronary.[/quote]
OMG! LMAO!!

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:29 | 103642 Gubbmint Cheese
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thx ghost.. will add more when Im not on a pda

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:21 | 103709 Mark Beck
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Thanks for the info ghost.

My research suggests that the GSEs are the primary MBS loss conduit for the big banks to the FED balance sheet. 

If true, how much debt does the FED think it can absorb? how much will it have to absorb to keep the economy afloat? and, what will become of the securities?

GSEs are shake and bake, and the tax payer is left holding the bag.

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 18:09 | 103819 ghostfaceinvestah
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How much more can the Fed absorb?

There is about 5T of GSE MBS outstanding.  My guess is the Fed will own 2.5 - 3T by mid 2011.  After that it is hard to tell, because the GSEs might not exist much longer than that.  But while they do, the Fed has no choice but to continue buying.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:02 | 103678 dark pools of soros
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not to sound simple, but deflation happened last time since gold was still somewhat a part of the realm of our dollar..  none of the restrictions are in place now so why would the powers allow a deflation on the global scale on the dollar?  Most countries are tired of it anyway

forget watching gold, gas, oil, etc  -  just look at the price of bread at your grocery store to see where the dollar is going

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:10 | 103554 Hephasteus
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Another day another dollar decline?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:22 | 103570 AN0NYM0US
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Breaking: Oct 19, 1:24 PM EDT

Bernanke urges US to cut budget deficit

 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BERNANKE?SITE=NEYOR&SECTION=HO...

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:27 | 103577 Cheeky Bastard
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Breaking: Oct 19, 1:27 PM EDT

Bernanke says he was only kidding. The slow and painful death of the $ continues.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:33 | 103582 docj
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Didn't TurboTax Timmy say the same thing just a couple days ago?

Sounds like the White House has their new talking points - all the while cleverly failing to display anything remotely resembling a plan to accomplish this minor miracle.  Quite the opposite in fact, given their almost fettish-like insistence on nationalizing healthcare financing and the latest trial balloons regarding Spendulus II.

In other words, it's words.  Nothing more.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:39 | 103594 Bearish Spirits
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Notice he says "deficit," not "debt." 

We can absorb interest payments on an annual $1 trillion deficit, but $1.5 trillion?  Well, that's just too much.

How about we don't run deficits, period?  Too difficult, I suppose.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:05 | 103688 Mark Beck
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Ben should have voiced his opion before FY2010 budget release. At this time his opinion is moot and unactionable and he knows it.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Message/

From the ap article, quoting Ben,

"Congress and the White House must find ways to boost confidence in the U.S. economy and the dollar."

The deficits for FY2009 are in large part due to illhealth in the Banking system that Ben help perpetuate, and on the international front, falling USD confidence is largely his doing. The world knows the FED controls the currency, and of late, Treasury auctions. Who is he trying to fool?

Boost confidence in the US economy, well what about the economic stimulus program that passed this year. Ben what more do you want?

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx

Also from Ben,

"In large part, such action should focus on boosting consumption,"

Well Ben once you destroy the last remnants of our economic base, not to mention the currency, who exactly will consume in the US?

I find the misdirection rhetoric form the FED play book, is really getting hard to stomach.

Ben's public spiel reminds me of the music from the string quartet onboard the sinking Titanic. The music stoped only after the players were in the icy grip of death.

 

Tue, 10/20/2009 - 00:30 | 104133 tip e. canoe
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BB <---> CYA <---> TTT

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:23 | 103571 Ivanovich
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Stocks AND Bonds (Dec T-bond) up today.  Dogs and cats, living together...mass hysteria.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:46 | 103603 Steak
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If they follow eachother on the way up you can bet your bottom US Peso they'll follow eachother on the way down.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 20:04 | 103904 peterr (not verified)
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lol that's Kudlow's term..US peso

Goldman and Bank of Amerika run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism. good articles; good articles 4 slow news day ..http://www..
hat tip: finance news

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:25 | 103575 Anonymous
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Bernanke hell.
I like the sound of that.

BB

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:31 | 103580 Anonymous
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Wanted to point out that when stocks crashed in 1987, the USD, although was already falling, like today, it kept crashing along with the market. Will history repeat?

http://stopinvesting.blogspot.com/2009/10/follow-up-to-my-1987-vs-2009-r...

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:37 | 103586 AN0NYM0US
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Breaking

Pimpco to move into equity space

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Leading bond-fund manager Pimco plans to expand its investment products into active equity management as well as some other asset classes.

http://news.google.ca/news/url?sa=t&ct2=ca%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNEcdj_...

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:36 | 103587 Josey Wales
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Important safety tip, thanks ivanovich ;)

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:36 | 103588 Anonymous
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You mean the dollar is getting crushed on a day that the stock market goes up like Superman? Who could have seen that coming?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:38 | 103589 BobPaulson
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I'd say DX grinds to 72 and looks for direction then. Looks like that will happen in November. If anybody is going to launch a black swan and save the buck it would be to stop it dropping below all support levels. No?

Of course, it could just continue sliding down its current razor blade semilog graph to asymptotic nothingness, but isn't it likely some external force will slow down the devaluation?

(my skill testing question is blank times eight equals eight, maybe I can send to some genius at the Fed to get an answer)

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:41 | 103595 Bearish Spirits
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I get the feeling they will try to hold onto the current 0-floating interest rate until that occurs.  Then we get the rate increases as a last stand.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 18:11 | 103820 Anonymous
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Totally agree.
And any rate increase will be the last chance to get the hell out of dodge.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:46 | 103602 Cheeky Bastard
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WHEN it reaches 72 the markets will crash, the gold will be taken as a margin collateral and the game will begin once again. enjoy.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:05 | 103614 cougar_w
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Or perhaps simply: "The gold will be taken. Period."

It happens.

cougar

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:29 | 103643 Cheeky Bastard
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yes that is the solution to the equation, but the strategy is the interesting part; it will be a trick unseen before; the equivalent of David Copperfield's Statue of Liberty trick. And also, it would trigger a revolution of epic proportions if they just take it 1933 style. no the sheeple need to be convinced it was all just coincidental.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:10 | 103622 Anonymous
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James Wesley Rawles over at Survival Blog has been touting the 72 level as critical for a very long time.

http://www.survivalblog.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi

retuning to my corner

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:22 | 103631 RabidLemming
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James Wesly Rawles over at Survival Blog has be looking at the 72 level as critical for a very long time.

http://www.survivalblog.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi

returning to my corner now

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:25 | 103635 Anonymous
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Anybody notice the volume today?
Looks like a three month low.
Implications?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:12 | 103698 deadhead
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implications are only stupid phucks are buying into this, smart money fades it.

we have seen this movie so many times it's hysterical.

volumes have always been one of my favorite indicators.

i would say today's action did not even warrant turning on the air conditioners for the computers

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:24 | 103715 Cheeky Bastard
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Volume has been absent from the markets since early February. 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:43 | 103597 Anonymous
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So how come the stockmarkets rise when the dollar falls ?
I just don't get that. Specially the US markets, as foreign investors sees their stock gains become evaportated by the falling dollar. Please if someone could explain

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:26 | 103716 Cheeky Bastard
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/facepalm 

Tue, 10/20/2009 - 09:47 | 104285 BobPaulson
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he's baiting you Cheeky...

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 14:43 | 103599 Anonymous
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Look for a controled crash of the markets soon.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:16 | 103627 Margin Call
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But what will it truly take to stop this auto-pilot equity rally?

This is hardly a speculative frenzy- volumes are anemic, half of which seems to be computers trading electrons amongst themselves. The big boys are playing in their sandbox with free money, but your average investor hasn't come back to the table. Those who are in won't sell, comfortable that the market just drifts up on no-news days because of god-knows-what machinations behind the scene.

As far as the wider world is concerned, this market rally is just the financial sector playing with itself. It seems that with each bubble the indexes become less relevant to what is actually going on in the wider physical economic reality.

Maybe the ultimate solution is to carve up the financial system- let all the gamblers and speculators play on a self-contained system with limited real-world effects, something like a Second Life for finance. The US dollar could become its currency. 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:06 | 103690 dark pools of soros
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are lindens still about 300 to $1?  when they become equal..  wow what will the USA look like then??   i guess better that we all buy land on a sim lest we care to look at the wasteland outside spread from Detroit to our backyards

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 20:04 | 103899 peterr (not verified)
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Goldman and Bank of Amerika run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism.

good articles; good articles 4 slow news day ..http://www..
hat tip: finance news

Tue, 10/20/2009 - 09:50 | 104286 BobPaulson
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Depends if the CB of AL is support a strong Linden policy or not. 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:18 | 103628 john_connor
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An out of control oil price MAY prompt some kind of USD intervention.  What that might entail, who the heck knows.  High gas prices are not politically acceptable for the O team right now.  I think later at some point, yes, they will want high gas prices so they can force everyone to buy an electric car from government motors.

Other than that, Im not sure what limits the downward spiral.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:28 | 103633 AN0NYM0US
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2nd UPDATE: Obama Admin Unveils New Housing Market Effort

http://news.google.ca/news/url?sa=t&ct2=ca%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNGMzSP...

 

The administration on Monday announced that Treasury would begin purchasing securities from Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE) backed by new housing bonds issued by the HFAs to fund their operations. In addition, Fannie and Freddie will launch temporary credit and liquidity facilities for the HFAs. The state agencies will pay a fee for access to both programs.

"This initiative is crucial to helping working families maintain access to affordable rental housing and homeownership in tough economic times," Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in a press release, issued jointly by the Treasury, the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the regulator for Fannie and Freddie.

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:38 | 103651 ghostfaceinvestah
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The money printing and deficit spending to support the housing market will not, cannot, end.  The weight of it all will be thrown on the dollar.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:29 | 103725 Unscarred
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"This initiative is crucial to helping working families maintain access to affordable rental housing and homeownership in tough economic times..."

Translation:  People can't afford housing.  So let's all but give it to them.

Seems to me that this is what got us into trouble in the first place.  How much more hot air is going to come out of Washington (and end up in reinflated bubbles) before the other shoe drops?

This must be the Barney Frank "Middle Class Bailout" we've been waiting for.

 

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:25 | 103638 Phillycheesesteak
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A weak dollar is now government policy, despite what Treasury says.  For far too long, other countries have been manipulating their currencies in order to export to Joe Light six-pack in the U.S. The question we have to ask ourselves now is do we want a middle class or no?  China and others cannot increase internal demand without higher wages.  If the RMB goes from 6.8 per dollar to par, their workers still cannot afford to buy the products they make. 

If a middle class is not acceptable to the top 5% around the globe, they will not only not have anyone to sell their products to, but they will have a very real chance of having their heads separated from their shoulders.

 

In the U.S., it's fairly simple.  We have a 200+ year understaning with the government.  We are the people.  We own this country.  You work for us.  If you decide not to work for us, we will remove you from power.  If you do not leave voluntarily, then you are tyrannical. If you are tyrannical, then we have a responsibility to remove you by force.  We will fulfill our responsibility as citizens of America.  And no, we are not consumers, we are citizens.

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:39 | 103652 Anonymous
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something like a Second Life for finance.

that is already what the stock market is and has always been

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:21 | 103712 Margin Call
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Ha, good one!

But unfortunately the companies and people affected are still all too real. 

One of the significant outcomes of financial and telecommunication technological advances is that people can give even less of a shit as to what their investment actions ultimately do, and to whom. The disconnect between screens and real-world consequences is stronger than ever. 

How many people do you think complain about health care in the US and yet have a health care company in their portfolio without even knowing it?

How many people do you think worry about climate change/environment and yet have a coal miner or major oil company in their portfolio without even knowing it?

My guess is millions.

 

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:48 | 103663 digalert
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ZH not fair, my captcha question was "In dollars, how much has the FED funneled into equities and foreign banks?" I don't know was an incorrect answer.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:02 | 103680 Assetman
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Did you try 'infinity'?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:50 | 103666 Anonymous
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Now Jim Rogers can tell Prechter: I told you so. But realy,the books are not closed yet. Still waiting on Italy,Spain and other European countries to disintegrare. And how is Japan going to fund its retirement obligation with an ever increasing population,if their yen becomes at parity with dollar?Canada,Swizerland. We might just have a world wide cb revolt and they all decide to start printing.I don't think any one of them will be happy to subsedize the Chinese overcapacity,since the Chinese are not blinking and floating.Tune in,who knows,Prechter might be the one with the last laugh(I personally doubt it,but we all witnessed stranger things happened during the last year).

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:51 | 103667 deadhead
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in some ways i view this as historic...a U.S. Senator actually used the term "banana republic" today in reference to the USA.  It's Gregg from NH and he is very well respected on both sides.  Recall that he was Obama's Commerce Dept pick but Gregg said he just could not go along with these guys.

bernanke's devaluation of the dollar must be stopped and we must clear out the debt without funny dollars to do so.

it's clip from cnn

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/18/gregg-u-s-could-be-on-path-to-a-banana-republic-situation/

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 18:28 | 103838 ghostfaceinvestah
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"Could be"  Standard of living "will drop if we keep this up"

Where has this guy been since March 18th?

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:00 | 103671 AN0NYM0US
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Breaking

WASHINGTON — The Washington Post is introducing a larger typeface and more graphics in its bid to make the print edition easier to read and navigate.

(Huffington Post to follow their lead)

says a great deal about their readership

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/19/washington-post-unveils-r_n_326...

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 15:55 | 103672 Emmanuel Goldstein
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Relax guys, in March of 2008 it took $1.89 to buy a Pound and $1.58 to buy a Euro.

You aren't any where near that right now.

Tue, 10/20/2009 - 09:33 | 104271 estaog
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Well the pound is no longer what it used to be, it has had a QE hosing as well.

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 20:04 | 103898 peterr (not verified)
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Lets's not give in to the dollar doom & gloom. I still beleive there's hope.

Goldman and Bank of Amerika run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism.good articles; good articles 4 slow news day ..http://www..
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