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Iran Claims It Has Evidence bin Laden Died Of Illness "Long Ago"

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And so the battle of propaganda begins: on one hand we have the US government demanding the population take a leap of faith that Osama was killed then promptly converted into lead-containing fish food, now Iran has stepped up to the plate claiming it has 'evidence' that bin Laden was in fact dead long ago. From RIA: "Iranian Intelligence Minister Heidar Moslehi said Tehran has evidence
that al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden had died of disease long before the
United States' alleged raid on the terrorist, FARS Iranian news agency
said. "We have accurate information that bin Laden died of illness some time ago," Moslehi said."  And since Osama's body was promptly dumped at sea, and Obama decided to not release any pictures of the corpse, the conspiracy brigade will surely have a field day with this one. We can only hope Iran's evidence takes a shorter time to produce than WikiLeaks' Bank of America "killer" expose.

More from RIA:

Bin Laden's body was buried at sea less than 24 hours after the operation.

"If the US military and intelligence apparatus have really arrested or killed bin Laden, why don't they show him (his dead body) why have they thrown his corpse into the sea?" Moslehi continued.

A DNA test proved that the corpse of the dead man belonged to bin Laden, who has topped the FBI's most wanted list for the past decade.

White House spokesman, Jay Carney said on Wednesday that Washington would not release bin Laden's postmortem photos to avoid instigating propaganda and possible violence.

We can't wait for the imminent, soon to be conflicting, story from the White House refuting this allegation.


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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:31 | 1255609 FOC 1183
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rut roh

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:34 | 1255623 Ahmeexnal
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:47 | 1255709 FOC 1183
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Yes, unlike Joplin, Hendrix and Morrison (who were all buried at sea), Elvis is gainfully employed at the FRBNY wondering where his Bloomberg terminal is.

And since when does 'rut roh' get junked?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:07 | 1255788 Gully Foyle
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Joplin, Hendrix and Morrison (who were all buried at sea)

What the fuck?

Grave Location:
Greenwood Memorial Park, Renton, Washington USA

Morrison is buried in the Père Lachaise Cemetery in Paris, one of the city's most visited tourist attractions. The grave had no official marker until French officials placed a shield over it, which was stolen in 1973. In 1981, Croatian sculptor Mladen Mikulin placed a bust of Morrison and the new gravestone with Morrison's name at the grave to commemorate the 10th anniversary of his death;[49] the bust was defaced through the years by cemetery vandals and later stolen in 1988.[50] In the 1990s Morrison's father, George Stephen Morrison, placed a flat stone on the grave. The stone bears the Greek inscription: ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ, literally meaning "according to his own daemon" and usually interpreted as "true to his own spirit".[51][52][53] Mikulin later made two more Morrison portraits in bronze but is awaiting the license to place a new sculpture on the tomb. Morrison is also one of the well known members of the 27 Club.

Her ashes were scattered off the coast of California.



Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:22 | 1255847 FOC 1183
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that's a lot of copy+paste for a reply to sarcasm.  great work

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:24 | 1255865 Gully Foyle
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FOC 1183

Thank you your Assholiness.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:53 | 1256651 BigJim
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You're pretty stupid for someone who likes Bester.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 16:30 | 1256775 Rick64
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Come on guys appreciate the humor.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:26 | 1255859 Spirit Of Truth
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OBL's body was swiftly buried @ sea, corpse photos were not released, special op helmet cams were off during key part of raid, etc.  Seems a stretch that this all a ruse of some sort, but how believable was the birth certificate the prez released just before this PR coup-de-tat?

We may be at a climax of American mass delusion.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1255870 Gully Foyle
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Spirit Of Truth

You forgot the blown up stealth helicopter.



Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1255880 Spirit Of Truth
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Also see this 2-year-old American Spectator article, Osama bin Elvis:

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:21 | 1256036 j0nx
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Not like it matters anyway. The MSM will not ask the tough questions to those in charge and the American People will not demand that they ask them. The citizens that do demand that they be asked are quickly marginalized as Tea Party right wing nut jobs and then that's that. Rinse repeat. Future historians will have a field day with us assuming human beings have any part in the future.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:58 | 1256675 The Alarmist
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Dead link? Too bad.

Did you get the part where the certificate was signed by a Hawaiian doctor named U.K.L. Lee (as in Ukulele)?


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:44 | 1257235 Spirit Of Truth
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I'll try again:

Yes....the U.K.L.Lee (ukulele) bit really seems almost as if Obama's "handlers" are just poking fun at those who are trying to expose the truth.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:17 | 1256267 Citxmech
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The junking of the initial commenter is a community service - it lets you know how many trolls are onboard for today's thread.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 17:23 | 1256986 Kopfjager
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"Rut roh" gets junked when people start taking statements of the Iranian government seriously.  Yea, I know you're skeptical of "departments of truth," but remember that the Iranians not only officially deny the holocaust but also deny the brutality they use against their own people in protests.  Take a step back and look at the pattern of which sources you consider to be telling the "truth."  

Here's a little example...  In Iraq we suspected Shiite insurgents were being aided and trained by Iranian intelligence but we weren't able to prove it.  At least, not until we found caches of weapons being transported across the border with Iranian serial numbers.  


Now check out how you immediately doubted what I just wrote.  I bet you thought something like, "our spooks could have planted them there on purpose."  You did didn't you.  Why?  Do you have reliable information that suggests otherwise or do you automatically assume that the US government is the only government capable of lying?  You guys crack me up really.  But keep cheering each other on, its fine--everyone knows the most you'll ever do about anything is write a comment.  Bunch of internet warriors aren't ya?  

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:13 | 1257164 Kopfjager
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Only one junk?  Looks like everyone went back to playing World of Warcraft already.  

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:28 | 1257184 Rick64
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I'm here. Would you like me to respond? I don't junk though.

 Edit: no response gotta go to the gym. How about some RATM :Killing in the Name (Corporations?)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 19:20 | 1257335 baby_BLYTHE
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Great tune (politics aside)! Love when people post music

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:27 | 1256537 overbet
Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:37 | 1255635 Millivanilli
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Anyone who trusts their government is a fool



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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:45 | 1255696 Azannoth
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Last week Iran claimed that USA killed Bin Lading because they didn't want the secrets to get out, now it's he died years ago ? hmmmm so which is it ?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:28 | 1255887 Mad Max
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Bin Lading?  Is that some combination of a bill of lading and warehouse receipts?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:15 | 1256268 Hugh G Rection
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Don't worry


Obama will release a longform photoshopped Death Certificate in 2 years.... That will end the debate.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:38 | 1256277 Problem Is
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"rut roh"

Hilarious! Who would <JUNK> that?
Obummer White House interns and Obummer Kool-Aid drinkers have nothing better to do?? Does that moronic, idiot twit Ding-by have a ZH account now??

Even More Hilarious
Iran's Ahmadinejad has more credibility than Obama Bin Lyin'...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 17:43 | 1257066 Kopfjager
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Oh so the American government is the only one that puts out "kool-aid?"  And someone who disagrees should be removed from ZH?  Interesting...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:26 | 1256542 overbet
Mon, 05/09/2011 - 20:37 | 1257547 Bringin It
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++ overbet - Great post!  What a bunch of morons ... or clever exposers.

Clear, easy to follow and hard, no impossible to refute. 

Mass delusion's gone parabolic.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:31 | 1255612 Ivanovich
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put them up there with "anonymous"?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:29 | 1255613 taraxias
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"We have accurate information that bin Laden died of illness some time ago," 



No shit. 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:01 | 1255759 Hexus
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Please take that back, that is a conspiracy theory. You have a psychological problem, belief in this conspiracy is comforting to you and represents a simplified world where we can't trust everything we see on the BBC. Besides, questioning the government is unpatriotic and questioning Obama is RACIST!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:12 | 1255807 el Gallinazo
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Does Durden consider himself part of the "conspiracy brigade" in relationship to silver price manipulation?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:21 | 1256037 Hexus
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No that's totally different, obviously.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:26 | 1256059 JW n FL
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by el Gallinazo
on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:12


Does Durden consider himself part of the "conspiracy brigade" in relationship to silver price manipulation?



Durden, Myself, Several Other Here and of course those Federal Judges who have weighed the evidence and allowed Court preceding(s) to begin... all believe that JP Morgan.. with its 0.04% Leverage did in fact manipulate the markets for years and as of late has been granted and ALL Access Pass to continue with the new Vault and Margin Hikes!..


I wish that we could have 0.04% Leverage, an Approved Vault and Hikes WHENEVER we were on the wrong side of the trade like JP Morgan!



Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:00 | 1256429 el Gallinazo
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Sorry. My mistake. I didn't get it. Your conspiracy theory is real but every else's is not.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:24 | 1256290 cossack55
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:34 | 1255616 wirtschaftswunder
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According to our sources on the Arab Street™, Mahmoud employed a number of spells and a secret-y cabal of sorcerers who enabled the diminutive jerk to assume office and maintain a near-hypnotic sway over other world leaders, such as U.S. President Barry Soetoro, Infidel Castro,  and thick-headed South American meat puppet Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.




Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:36 | 1255638 SheepDog-One
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Yep, was reading about that too yesterday the Ayatolah arrested Ahmedinejads black magic 'Djin' who has been casting spells against the US and wants Ahmedinejad to resign.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:08 | 1255789 i-dog
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The Ayatollayouso has been moving against I'minadinnerjacket for some time now. The Dinner Jacket is about to go and the conservative mullahs will be back in black. The Dinner Jacket is a globalist insider, anyway.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:26 | 1255866 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Who is the mad junker? damn near every post is junked.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:38 | 1255908 i-dog
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Don't stress. I like being junked ... it means someone actually read it! (though, in this case, it looks more like a CIA graffiti artist has sprayed the whole thread).

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:56 | 1255972 Cognitive Dissonance
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Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch to deal with. Better just to junk your worries away.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:41 | 1256103 Strider52
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"The Ayatollayouso", "I'minadinnerjacket", "Osama Bill of Lading". Good laffs for a Monday!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:30 | 1255617 Cognitive Dissonance
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Why can't Iran just shut up and go along with the cover story?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:34 | 1255627 Quintus
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Indeed.  It's almost like they want to get bombed and invaded 'For humanitarian reasons'.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:41 | 1255660 Innocent Bystander
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Thanks! that had me laughing for a few :)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:45 | 1255698 Blotsky
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"For Humanitarian Reasons"

This is America's new "Peace Keeping" slogan. lmao.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:00 | 1255757 chumbawamba
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I'm always compelled by, "It's for the children."

You could propose we invade a peaceful Inuit village, slay all the men, rape all the women and enslave the children and I would refuse.  But as soon as you mention, "It's for the children" (even though we're intending to enslave them), then by golly I'm on board!


I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:54 | 1255963 Tinfoil Hat
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What's this "enslave" you speak of?  we would liberate them and provide them jobs at Walmart and McDonalds and give them credit for new cars and big ass houses! 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:33 | 1256079 blunderdog
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The real gift is the guaranteed college loans so they can learn useful job-enhancing skills.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 16:05 | 1256692 The Alarmist
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"We had to enslave the children to save the children!"

- BHO, "My Fifth and Final Book of Memoirs" 2017

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:45 | 1255672 Übermensch
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:41 | 1255676 Übermensch
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You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.The demoralization process in Western Civilization is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Yuri Bezmenov



Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:49 | 1255682 Übermensch
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:46 | 1255683 Übermensch
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:48 | 1255684 Übermensch
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:40 | 1255928 Ethics Gradient
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:21 | 1256047 Rynak
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:48 | 1255689 Übermensch
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:53 | 1255725 SheepDog-One
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Hitting of the 'save' shall be 1 time and 1 time only...the hitting of the save shall not count 3, nor 4, and 5 is right out!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:59 | 1255749 NotApplicable
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Once the number one, being the first number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Post  towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:02 | 1255770 Quintus
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The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.   Should have used that on OBL.  Offensive in so many ways to an Islamic terrorist beyond the basic 'Snuffing it' functionality.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:57 | 1255756 serotonindumptruck
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+1 Holy Hand Grenade

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:33 | 1256071 JW n FL
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Shrimp Po Boys! (not any more since BP fucked up the shrimp) and hand grenades and maybe some hurricanes! of course coffee and Beignets before Gambling! gotta sober up to throw money away! I think the casino is less lagged or rigged than any of the markets!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 20:43 | 1257555 Bringin It
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My former WS big deal relative loved to play the ponies, but only the ponies.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:55 | 1255738 NotApplicable
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I know that's a rhetorical question, but...

For the same reason that the referee always looks the wrong direction when the evil wrestler pulls a rope out of his shorts and starts choking the champ.

Or, like in the horror movies, where the group of victims always split up to look for the previous people who wandered off alone, only to be taken out one at a time.

In this case though, it's about providing the good citizens of the world with a Great Satan in both the East, and the West, depending upon your polarity of perspective.

Drama. Honestly, how else can one make good theater?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:06 | 1255776 Hexus
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Are you impyling that Iran's in on it with the US? Can't you just accept that Iran is more moral in it's foriegn policy then the US.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:26 | 1255854 NotApplicable
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No, I'm not. I'm saying that all of these actors fill roles laid out by others who've helped them get there. While they all act in their own self-interest, their freedom of movement is limited by the ideas constructing the facade. Think of it as a box, where the limits are public recognition of "they can/can't do that."  As long as the leader stays in the box, their actions remain legitimate in the eyes of others, which is their primary goal because without it, they have no political power, and thus no staying power.

So that's the back-story, from the local POV. Moving our perspective to an wider stage, we see that the world has been divided into sections with each one filled with local actors and local scenes. Problem is though, the sections have differing perspectives of not only themselves, but of each other, disrupting any natural harmony that would otherwise arise.

And these disruptions, they serve as the entire purpose of the facade of representative government. You can think of each "leader" as nothing but someone who gains power at over one person at the expense of another through the mutual political conflict they embrace.

So, that said, I don't believe that any single puppet is secretly joined up with any other. They are all acting precisely how any self-interested "leader" has to act in order to survive. Where they are really joined though is they all have the same puppet master who owns them (and creates those boxes).

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:52 | 1255966 Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm always amused when I hear someone use the term 'for domestic consumption' to describe the inflammatory speech one of our "allies" just made in front of the home crowd, implying it was said in order to placate their own population. Yet this same person never seriously considers that the same applies here at home.

The level of denial the average Joe possesses to believe that the bad guys reside overseas and only rarely here at home is childish to the extreme.

God bless Amerika.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:27 | 1256057 Hexus
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Fair enough, I see where you are coming from. Although I disagree that Iran is under the influence of the pupper masters, I think Iran are trying to discredit the US government in order to reduce public support for an attack on Iran. Iran's leaders can't go too far in critisising the US or it would increase public support for an attack.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:28 | 1256064 Rynak
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Actually, i think in the US it is much simpler, NotApplicable. Just compare penis size: Could they inflict massive losses on us? Do they have military/economic nukes? If yes, respect them..... you may push them a bit around in your own propaganda, but you may not act against them.

Or do they have a small dick? Yes? Hmm, how small? Matters because it decides if the US should invade them, or "only" treat them like shit.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:27 | 1257200 RichardP
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If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal;

If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:08 | 1255783 Cognitive Dissonance
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Drama. Honestly, how else can one make good theater?


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 16:04 | 1256700 The Alarmist
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Thought for a moment that was the TSA checkpoint I went through last week.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:56 | 1255750 carbonmutant
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:19 | 1255823 tekhneek
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Average Americans response: "Wait a minute... if they lied about this, that means they could have lied about... other things too..."

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:45 | 1255930 Ethics Gradient
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I think you overestimate the average Westerner.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:00 | 1255979 ElvisDog
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Are you kidding me? The average American's response according to my observation is "Osama was killed in a firefight with our brave SEAL's and used his wife as a human shield". These are supposedly college-educated (admittedly liberals) who buy the original story from Obama hook, line, and sinker.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:33 | 1256074 Rynak
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Subscribe to one of the political/ideological polarities, and reason goes down the toilet..... education in that case just makes it worse, not better.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:27 | 1256297 blunderdog
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Yeah, those "liberals" are so silly.  The smart "conservatives" all know that bin Laden died years ago from disease and the Iranians are straight-shooters.

No, wait, that's stupid...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 19:11 | 1257305 buzzard
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Ah yes, the liberal myth again. I morn for reality daily.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:31 | 1255620 SheepDog-One
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I was following this flurry of underground media articles all weekend. 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:34 | 1256081 JW n FL
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1. Osama was armed!

2. Osama had no TV!

3. Osama had no computers!


I could go on, but the best part was the Dog that was part of the operation! Doggy Power!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 21:39 | 1257702 StychoKiller
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What's that you say, girl?  Timmy's trapped in a well? :>D

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:31 | 1255622 TheGreatPonzi
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"If the US military and intelligence apparatus have really arrested or killed bin Laden, why don't they show him (his dead body) why have they thrown his corpse into the sea?" Moslehi continued.

This is common sense, but clueless, disgruntled, dumbtard American 'patriots' will laugh at this because it comes from Iran, thus it can't be true, right?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:37 | 1255649 SheepDog-One
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You assume all american 'patriots' are somehow all stupid clueless idiots who therefore knee-jerk hate Iran or something? Same thing that I think I agree its all BS, this raid on 'Bin Laden' is a kickoff to something else, clearly it was not Bin Laden maybe a body double, but it wasnt him. Why should I disagree just because of the SOURCE? That would be idiotic.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:49 | 1255722 john39
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hope that is sarcasm... otherwise I'll just assume that you don't live in the U.S.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:10 | 1256015 Tinfoil Hat
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Look for the critical, a-bomb level intelligence garnered from Bin Laden's computer.  It's less about the man than it is what the "hot data" will lead to next.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:30 | 1256067 Hexus
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Directly to the enemies of the CIA would be my guess. Primarily Pakistan, but also Putin, Iran, Chavez, Gaddafi, Turkey and possibly China and Berlusconi. Hell, they might even throw in a bit of Ben Ali and Mubarak for good measure.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:44 | 1256116 JFK.4PREZ
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From my understanding Pakistan's ISI and the CIA are butt-buddies.  

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 21:41 | 1257706 StychoKiller
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Sarah Palin was secretly carrying Bin Laden's love child!  Move over, Nat'l Enquirer! :>D

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 22:55 | 1257877 Diogenes
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If that is true why did they kill him? Why didn't they capture and interrogate him? It's not like a platoon of commandos couldn't have handled an old unarmed man if they wanted to. Who gave the order for him to be killed?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:00 | 1255988 ElvisDog
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To use a baseball analogy, Jose Canseco took a lot of crap when he said steroid use was widespread in baseball. A lot (most?) people discounted his story because he was Jose Canseco. But then it turned out pretty much everything he said was true.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:27 | 1256056 LawsofPhysics
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I wouldn't "assume" anything, and besides Iran will latter report that the "proof" was accidentally dropped in the Mediterranean. 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:32 | 1255629 Diamond Jim
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so, let me get this straight, we sent in and expose our crack black ops to pick up a corpse , dump it at sea, and claim victory ????

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:37 | 1255642 taraxias
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you're starting to get it, especially the "corpse" and "claimed victory" part

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 21:07 | 1257604 Bringin It
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taraxias getting the junks.  Some of these people need to google Jessica Lynch.

Great teeth btw.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:34 | 1256072 LawsofPhysics
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Talk to someone who has served.  The military is all about distraction (SNAFU).  While it is common to hear about military failures, you will never hear about a "black ops success".  Why do you think they are called black ops in the first place.  Having served, I personally do not care when or how they killed him.  If the government kept him alive and tracked him in order to gain valuable information about his networks, great.  Who really cares, being a soldier means you are given orders on a "need to know" basis, that is how it works.  Loose lips sink ships, and a successful army does not mind if their enemy thinks they are incompetent.  In fact, it is great if your enemy underestimates you, it makes your job as a soldier a lot easier.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:54 | 1256386 Agent P
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It's bullshit from both sides.  Remember the stories that ran last week to justify kill vs. capture...he was just a marginalized figure head and likely couldn't provide much intel...well now we're hearing we recovered a library's worth of intel from the site (which may or may not be true, but it's damn sure strange how public that info is becoming), so it seems he was still involved in ops planning after all.

If all we wanted to do was kill him, it would have been a drone strike.  No, he's very much alive and in the custody of the CIA.  That's the only reason we exposed our crack (your words, not mine).

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:50 | 1256635 zerozulu
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Now "they" are asking for his wife. "WHAT"!!???? you had "OSAMA". one more thing, marine shot him because he feared Osama  might have "suicide vest". Well, "Osama" was sleeping with his wife wearing "Suicide Vest"? was that marine had a brain of a 6 years old?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 22:54 | 1257880 Diogenes
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And boost Obama's polls 10 points.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:37 | 1255630 TruthInSunshine
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How strange it must be for Americans who are hesitating, if even for a moment, or in some cases far longer, to be asking themselves if their own government is really telling them the truth about OBL, and then have their doubts spiked further because of something that Iran states.

The say that the most important feature of a thriving society and healthy social contract is when the people don't fear the government, but the government fears the people - so much so, that it wouldn't dare test the will of the people by lying about anything that's even remotely significant.

Strange days, indeed.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:39 | 1255659 AbandonShip
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Who do we trust more:  a. Iranian Government or b. U.S. Government?

Unbelievable that we have to even seriously entertain this question today!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:42 | 1255687 JohnG
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Ten years ago, if anyone had told me that Al Jazerra and Russia Today eould seem more credible than US "reporters," I would have looked at them as if they had three heads.

My how times change.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:53 | 1255731 Ferrari
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Ditto. To state the obvious, 911 changed many things.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:43 | 1256606 zerozulu
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one man's dog bit his neighbor. his neighbor yelled and cried and said your dog never bit me before. He said,"I'm sorry but 9-11 changed everything."

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:02 | 1255764 Cognitive Dissonance
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American MSM has had a 'credibility' problem for decades, centuries even. It's only 'we the people' who are beginning to wake up to that fact. This is the straw that breaks the camel's back. Once people begin to question, they begin to question everything. Or they go dark, so frightened by a glimpse of the depth of lies that they tuck their heads safely within their shells and never come out.

So many people, once they begin to wake up, are outraged by the lies and deceit. They feel betrayed and rightly so and often become extremely angry and call for blood. Yet few will ask themselves why they couldn't see what was always right in front of them. That would be looking too close to home.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:18 | 1255821 Ferrari
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True. I observed this living in the Soviet Union under Gorbachev, then under Yeltsin, and it was sad to behold. One fellow explained to me that growing up in America is like growing up with a mob boss for a father: you enjoy the constant flow of wonderful consumer goods, but something about the story about where it all comes from doesn't add up. It's only natural, quite natural, to avoid the ugly truth about your parents. I would like to believe in my country. It's only one per customer.

By the way, I really like your efforts.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:39 | 1255914 Cognitive Dissonance
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Thank you.

I will begin posting a 4 part series of essay's this evening (around 6 to 7 PM EDT) titled "Perception, Inception and the Trojan Horse Money Meme" that takes a look at our narrow perception of 'reality' along with how our controlling thought memes are implanted via 'Inception' to become a part of us. I'm breaking it into 4 parts to be kind to the ADHD sufferers among us.

That just means it runs long for four nights instead of excruciatingly long for just one. :>)

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:47 | 1256133 Cleanclog
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Where may we find your essays?  I too like your thoughts and mind.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:04 | 1256200 Cognitive Dissonance
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The essays are only posted here on ZH and unfortunately there is no place where they are all gathered for easy retrieval. If you wish to email me I will be happy to send you the ZH links to all my articles.

The few times that I have posted that list in the comment section when requested I have been eviscerated as an ego out of control. It has become a long list and some people find it intrusive in the comment section. That's fair.

zhcognitivedissonance at gmail dot com

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 19:09 | 1257306 deckard
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Lovely grammar but I am suprised you like not only the thoughts but the mind also


Which do you prefer ?




Mon, 05/09/2011 - 14:49 | 1256371 old naughty
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The long and short of it ain't matter, CD, None of your stuff is excruciating.

Thank you for sharing in advance...

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:45 | 1256127 JFK.4PREZ
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I like the analogy, haha.  John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman is a good read if you haven't already.  

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:19 | 1255833 HoofHearted
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our job is to report the news, not fabricate it; that's the government's job."

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:41 | 1255920 Urban Redneck
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Yet few will ask themselves why they couldn't see what was always right in front of them.

Like the fact that the industry's highest honor is named after one of the grand-daddies of yellow journalism.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:45 | 1255945 Cognitive Dissonance
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Yup, all part of the white yellow wash.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 15:34 | 1256579 zerozulu
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I wholeheartedly believe that people who honestly trust their government and what they are told is true, are the people who, when they know, are betrayed by their government will come out in the streets with guns in their hand. not the people who are questioning their government now.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:48 | 1257247 deckard
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American MSM has had a 'credibility' problem for decades, centuries even

Centuries even . . . what terrible MSM propaganda crime from two hundred years ago are are you referring to ?

I just wanna know when to date Americas moral backwardation from 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 23:01 | 1257894 Diogenes
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You could start with H L Mencken's writings of the WW1 period and the twenties. Then go back to Mark Twain's anti war and anti colonialist essays of the 1890s and work your way back from there.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:47 | 1255692 JohnG
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Ten years ago, if anyone had told me that Al Jazerra and Russia Today eould seem more credible than US "reporters," I would have looked at them as if they had three heads.

My how times change.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 18:03 | 1257129 Urban Redneck
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Vladimir Lopatin's work provides insight into the level and reach of the State's strategic goals within the Russian Press.

Al Jazeera loves to stir the MENA pot, but when it comes to the human rights situation right down the down the road in Bahrain they fall eerily silent at the behest of the benefactors and their interests.

Just like the major political parties are indistinguishable at their cores, so are the major news outlets of the world; all different shades of shit are available, as long as you want shit. 


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:44 | 1255695 firefighter302
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I trust neither.


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:52 | 1255728 serotonindumptruck
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"Unbelievable that we have to even seriously entertain this question today!"

I don't believe that it's unbelievable at all. Do you believe it?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:06 | 1255784 NotApplicable
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It's all about having the wrong people say the right things in order to discredit the ideas behind them, while at the same time having the right people say the right things in order to reinforce the ideas behind them.

In this case, the Psyop known as "The Republic of Iran" fills both roles with a single statement by Minister Heidar Moslehi. Those who hate the western empire fully believe what their leader stated about "the lying west," while bumper-sticker patriots in the US will never, ever question the OBL story again, but instead will "strengthen their resolve" against the lies. So, even hardcore Red-Staters end up backing Obama, something they'd likely never predicted previously.

Funny how reality and belief systems play out.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:44 | 1255931 NotApplicable
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Oh, and not only are "resolves strengthened," they are done so against skeptics like myself.

For instance, I believe with a fairly high certainty that OBL died long ago. I spent the weekend trying to describe to someone why I believed that, but my assertions were not refuted, but outright ignored, as his focus was "no, I think they really got him," and his assertions were all fabricating reasons why it would be plausible (intel/military ops/etc).

I kept coming back with "Well, sure they can, but why would they need to if he's already dead!" No answer, he just kept circling back to plausibility land. All of this happened BTW, without us hearing about Moslehi.

Now though, if I try to explain again (or to anyone else), my claims are now aligned with the "evil Iranians," and suddenly the idea emerges, "Hey, are you supporting the enemy?

Character assination accomplished. Shoot-The-Messenger, FTW!

Divide, Conquer, Rinse & Repeat, Ad Infinitum.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:48 | 1255716 SheepDog-One
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The best way around all the BS is to 'forward all' Twitter this stuff to everyone you know, the tidal wave against the BS is overwhelming the Big Lie.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:35 | 1255636 Joe Davola
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Obama will surely authorize and Iranian invasion now!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:35 | 1255643 PaperBear
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Regardless of irrefutable facts the mainstream media, if they mention this at all, will roll out their usual response - it is a "conspiracy theory".

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:34 | 1255644 TradingTroll
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Don't worry, the Hawaiian-born Kenyan coroner U K Le Lee, is retrieving the corpse pix from his Photoshop cache  as we speak

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:38 | 1255645 Cleanclog
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Of course they do.  Iran want more attention please!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:35 | 1255646 The Third Man
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Notice how Osama's face and "threats" appear on Drudge over the weekend, and now this morning, it's reporting about all sorts of hobgoblin activity across a wide variety of modes of transportation. Someone somewhere must be having a good belly laugh at our expense. 

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:39 | 1255655 FubarNation
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Thanks for listening to the Alex Jones show...... next up Lindsey Williams.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:39 | 1255664 Cdad
Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:39 | 1255923 jomama
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oh come on, everyone knows that fire at fukushima is a conspiracy!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:37 | 1255656 bugs_
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way to go iran

daisy-cutter-itis - its generally terminal

only known survivors dress up as women to escape leaving their followers behind

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:06 | 1255775 chumbawamba
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Bugz, if I were you I'd be at my local Goodwill right now picking out a nice dress and bonnet.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 13:21 | 1256035 bugs_
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the line is too long i'll have to wear a towel

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:40 | 1255657 nonclaim
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We can't wait for the imminent, soon to be conflicting, story from the White House refuting this allegation.

Better wait 48h to see which version sticks. This warning brought to you by the White Lies House.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:41 | 1255658 jse111
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Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, and Christine O'Donnell must positively identify the OBL available evidence including the DNA genome configuration before I will believe that the incident as described actually occurred.

Get that smirk off your face immediately if not sooner!


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:22 | 1255835 Alex Kintner
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Right. Palin, Bachman, and O'Donnell all have bin Laden DNA in dirty panties they have saved. Test results at 11PM.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:38 | 1255661 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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There just needs to be a credible counter propaganda story.  How's this one whitehouse:

A photo was taken with a member of the SEAL team's iPhone.  Unfortunately, after several rounds of drinks celebrating the victory the iPhone was destroyed when said member peed his pants that contained the phone after the 15th round of "osama" cocktails (2 shots and a splash of water).

There, face=saved!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:44 | 1255677 AbandonShip
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Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:43 | 1255938 sheeple2012
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thought that drink was called a Leon Klinghoffer, before he became Meals on Wheels for the sharks?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:42 | 1255668 monopoly
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This is better than Hollywood.

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:39 | 1255670 hedgeless_horseman
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Next thing you know, the Iranians will be telling us it was our own Stuxnet virus that shut down the power plants at the refineries in Texas City.

Texas City refineries and chemical plants experienced intermittent power problems beginning Monday night. A build up of salt, soot and other residue on insulators on power lines and other equipment because of a lack of rainfall led to repeated incidents of electrical short-circuits. Galveston electric customers experienced similar outages this week.

Funny.  No problems elsewhere in Texas with salt, soot, and other residue shutting down power.


Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:47 | 1255694 SheepDog-One
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Damn residues!

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1255869 SilverTech
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IMO Stuxnet likely caused the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

1. Stuxnet is designed to disrupt critical industrial processes. It does things like keeping pumps on when they should be cut off, etc.

2. Deepwater Horizon used Siemens PLC systems. What did they use them for? Control of mission critical systems. That's what the Siemens systems are designed for.

3. Wasn't the sequence of events exactly what you'd expect? Everything they tried to do to fix the situation just made it worse.

4. The timeframe, Summer 2010, is when Stuxnet was spreading but before alarms had been raised.

5. Everybody denies that Stuxnet could have caused the problem while at the same time restricting information and discouraging investigation. Why?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:46 | 1255690 Rhone_Ranger
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What, Iran considers a double-tap killing to be illness?  That would explain the low rate of deaths caused by the state apparatus?

Mon, 05/09/2011 - 11:48 | 1255700 sabra1
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Obama: “We Could Not Say Definitively That Bin Laden Was There”


Paul Joseph Watson
May 9, 2011

During his 60 Minutes interview with CBS News last night, Barack Obama admitted that US intelligence was only 55/45 confident that Bin Laden was even in the compound raided last Sunday night, fearing that the occupant could actually have been a “prince from Dubai,” a skepticism shared by residents of Abbottabad, one of whom told the BBC that the man seen watching television in the tapes released by the White House Saturday was in fact his neighbor, not Bin Laden.

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