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Iran President Calls Bahrain Government Action Unjustifiable And Irreparable, Crude Jumps

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The situation in Bahrain is going from bad to dire. Earlier, thousands of protesters marched to the Saudi embassy in the Bahraini capital, angry at the intervention of Gulf Arab forces. 1000 Saudi troops had rolled into the country at the request of Bahrain's Sunni rulers. As Reuters reports, and as Zero Hedge discussed extensively before, the troop movement could signify Saudi concern that any concessions in Bahrain might inspire the Kingdom's own Shi'ite minority. Earlier on Tuesday, the Bahrain King declared martial law as his government struggled to stop the protests. The three month state of emergency hands power over to Bahrain's security forces, which is dominated by the Sunni Muslim elite. Injured were taken to hospital as violence continued in the small Gulf island. "We came out of the tunnel and they started shooting at us and I got injured here, in the back." An opposition politician said one man was killed and several wounded in clashes with police in the Shi'ite area of Sitra. But the biggest news, that which caused crude to just jump by a dollar, is that the Iran President has called the actions by the Bahrain government "unjustifiable and irreparable." And if or rather when Iran gets involved on the basis of a religious escalation, watch out for global stagflation.

 


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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:01 | Link to Comment malikai
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Great, here comes the "Iranian Connection". Of course it was just a matter of time considering the Shi'ite/Sunni split. How much longer until Iran is blamed for the uprisings in Saudi and Bahrain? Then, how much longer until a case is publicly made for "dealing with" Iran?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:06 | Link to Comment 4xaddict
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Aren't the G20 meeting soon to discuss relocating the JP used fuel rods to Tehran? That will deal with them.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:45 | Link to Comment Ben Probanke
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funny this, Iran finding it inapropriate shooting at protesters

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:51 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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Maybe because they never shot at peaceful protesters with lead bullets, except in the wet dreams of neocons. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:00 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Neda is still dead. She didn't seem like much of a hell raiser. You are a lying sack of shit.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Never ignore history, it's bound to come back and bite you in the ass.

if the west (read US/UK/France/Dutch) could have left well enough alone, the world would be better place all around. But psychopathy and sociopathy are endemic in White Leader DNA, unfortunately, as is the "I want it all" mentality.

From the biography of Mossadegh:

The Central Intelligence Agency pressured the weak monarch while bribing street thugs, clergy, politicians andIranian army officers to take part in a propaganda campaign against Mosaddegh and his government.[10] At first, the coup appeared to be a failure when on the night of August 15–16, Imperial Guard Colonel Nematollah Nassiriwas arrested while attempting to arrest Mosaddegh. The Shah fled the country the next day. On August 19, a pro-Shah mob, paid by the CIA, marched on Mosaddegh's residence.[11] According to the CIA's declassified documents and records, some of the most feared mobsters in Tehran were hired by the CIA to stage pro-Shah riots on the 19th. Other CIA-paid men were brought into Tehran in buses and trucks, and took over the streets of the city.[12] Mosaddegh was arrested, tried and convicted of treason by the Shah's military court. On December 21, 1953, he was sentenced to three years in jail, then placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.[13][14][15] Mosaddegh's supporters were rounded up, imprisoned, tortured or executed.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

I suggest you take that piece of history up someplace it hurts, so may lose your self-righteousness.

You think they would not sacrifice one woman for their own interests?

It is no wonder the West is a lost cause. 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/american-cross-nuclear-rumbles/

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:32 | Link to Comment zaknick
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roflmao

well done, oh regional Indian

this redneck is always one of the first to run his mouth with Faux News imperialist (thievery) propaganda. "Neda"....puh-leeze. What about the drug trafficking cia bastards, the SAVAK and the tens of thousands of innocents they tortured, murdered and disappeared ?

Motherfucking redneck

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:12 | Link to Comment 4xaddict
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Not without some validity as usual ORI :)

Don't forget the Spanish and Portuguese though mate, plenty will attest to their infinite colonial kindness.

Also it's the English, not the UK. The English took the Welsh and Scottish lands before any other. They still want them back too :)

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Indeed, Portuguese and Spaniards are right up there. We had them here in India too (Goa). 

And yes, thanks for pointing that out... the English via the Battenbergs, who aren't even really english.

Quite a mad world. How have you been? Not seen you here much.

ORI

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:43 | Link to Comment SilverFiend
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who was Neda?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Debtman And Robbin
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You're right. She seemed more like a fucking halloween costume. But you probably investigated this case in detail.

http://volksberichtshof.org/2010/02/22/sensation-im-fall-%C2%BBneda%C2%A...

 

Edit: Since I mentioned General Butler in one of my previous posts, here's something from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

"The Bonus Expeditionary Force, also known as the "Bonus Army", marched on Washington to advocate the passage of the "soldier's bonus" for service during World War I. After Congress adjourned, bonus marchers remained in the city and became unruly. On July 28, 1932, two bonus marchers were shot by police, causing the entire mob to become hostile and riotous."

Iran, eh?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:02 | Link to Comment silvertrain
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Too funny..

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:06 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Yes, it's entirely acceptable to kill citizens protesting a corrupt government provided that country that is doing it is friendly to US interests and the US government supports them.

I'm absolutely certain however that US support for a government willing to do this will not reflect it's own actual policy on it's own citizens.  Just because the United States government is willing to support a government that murders it's citizens, that certainly doesn't mean that the US government would murder it's own citizens that might protest against the US government.

Does it?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:34 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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four dead in Ohio...

four dead..

(guitar solo)

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:08 | Link to Comment eddiebe
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Good one rich_ I suppose you believe in Santa too?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:49 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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I believe in Santa as much as I believe television and print news in the United States contains any useful information whatsoever, as much as I believe that the Republican and Democratic leadership present opposing viewpoints, as much as I believe our government cares about democracy in the Middle East, as much as I believe warrantless wiretapping and the Patriot Act is about protecting US citizens, as much as I believe the Federal Reserve is trying to help the average US citizen.

Do I need to go on?

I don't trust this government at all and if you do, you're a damned fool.  If you think for a second that the people who run this country wouldn't murder you if you were presenting an organized resistance toward it, you're stupid.  If you think our media isn't just pure propaganda, you're an idiot.  We're not in a democracy.  If we were, the Patriot Act would have been rescinded, warrantless wiretapping would be gone, the TSA wouldn't exist, the wars would be over, and the bailouts would have stopped.  That's why the Democrats were voted into power in 2008 - but what did they do with this power?  Did they impeach Bush?  No.  Did they stop any of his very unpopular and controversial programs?  No, they strengthened them and extended them.  What happened with Enron making national energy policy?  Well, forget that, not important anymore - suddenly.  We don't have a democracy.

Remember that hope and change bullshit?  Where's the change?  Homosexuals being able to be a little more open in the military, and fines for not getting insurance?  That's the big freaking change?  That's what the country wanted out of Obama, and why McCain didn't win?  This is what the nation voted for?  I'm pretty certain it wasn't.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:49 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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By proxy, through repressive regimes, installed and backed for decades by the Anglo/Franco/Prusso oil interests, the meddling nations have generated huge pressures in these places in the ME and Africa and India and SE Asia.

Maybe th eextent of the blowback might overwhelm their best made plans, since they were/are more mice than men.

Fire in the hole. Sure blood will be spilt here, but people had better start watching their own back-yards. It's coming.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/american-cross-nuclear-rumbles/

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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You are way off base, but that is to be expected, given your cultural background.

Go read Martin Armstrong.  He states many times that "Socialism" is dying before our eyes.  I agree with him.

In order for your school of thought to hold sway, the "underclass" needs to rise up and smite the "upperclass".  That won't happen.

What you will see is a replay of that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where the magnificent, obsolete swordsman showed the crowd his skills, and then got popped for his efforts.  The crowd settled down quickly.

Look at Wisconsin, same thing.  Some fine sword work by the Democrats trying to rally the underclass, then bang...  Game over.

In the next election, campaigning on repealing the change in the law is a guaranteed loss.  Wisconsin simply became a right to work state.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:01 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Socialism cannot die...  socialism is simply a capitulation by the ruling class when faced with collective bargaining.  Ultimately, it becomes no less of a tool for the elite than a strong backhand.  At some point, critical mass is reached and all of the collective bargaining is washed away (socialists will always be victims of their own success).  Socialism will never die...  it's just a different point on the same timeline in a constant battle that's been waged for thousands of years.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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... But I can't eat an IPad...

It looks like you tapped your inner Phd in that comment.  I tried to follow your thought experiment but found my travels had me tracing out the thread path of a "Doily".

Is that what you meant?  Kick back and crochet?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:48 | Link to Comment smeagol
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was wondering why the sudden spike in gold silver oil on the charts. when the market moves like this I always check ZH to find out the reason why.  Cheers.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:50 | Link to Comment silvertrain
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 And like magic, we get a bid in the pm's and oil..

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:56 | Link to Comment Cash_is_Trash
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What I don't get is the sell-off into cash.. The metals should've rebounded yesterday because the world's governments are printing money to rebuild their economies.

 

This stopped making sense long ago.

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:07 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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The commodities complex is nakedly manipulated to trip technical analysis trading programs.

The great thing about commodities is that they cannnot be manipulated forever, because commodites at the end of the day have to actually be delivered, unlike stock.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:17 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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+1

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:09 | Link to Comment eddiebe
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It makes sense once you figure out how the bankstas operate.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:54 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Yeah, those parables are tricky.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 07:57 | Link to Comment Goldenballs
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Nightmare scenario.Out of touch rulers desperate to carry on system failing the population,Iran the country of sweetness and light and unlimited democracy (not),Saudi Arabia for years untouchable,Israel up the road,US bankrupt and desperate to deflect from their own problems.Might be seeing how far Iran is up the Nuclear alley pretty soon.If this kicks off just the cost of crude will destroy the worlds economy.Japan will become a dangerous forgotten problem.Black Swans migrating all over the place.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:04 | Link to Comment No Bid
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The question is whether Iran wants to arm some turrists in SA for, if nothing else, some s-bombings near oil facilities.  Look at what they've done in Iraq.  If they inflict 1/4 that much chaos in the Shiite districts of SA all hell will break loose.

Then the question is will we let Israel off the leash to start something real.

Bahrain is bad, but only because it opens up a couple unthinkable possibilities.  Here's to hoping they never realize.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:11 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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The question is whether Iran wants to arm some turrists in SA for, if nothing else, some s-bombings near oil facilities.  Look at what they've done in Iraq.

What Iran has done in Iraq?

What about what the US has done in Iraq?

Before you even think about defending what the US has done by bringing freedumb and dumbocracy there, talk to an Iraqi - ask them if they feel they are better off.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:20 | Link to Comment No Bid
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Seriously?

Where am I defending US action?

Do you not think that the US has been engaged in a proxy war with Iran in Iraq for several years now?

The point is that Iran wants dominance in that region, and has for years covertly tried to achieve that goal.  This is another opening for them.

Think objectively or type this into chrome: "www.huffingtonpost.com"

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:33 | Link to Comment Sabibaby
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The point is that the US wants dominance in that region, and has for years covertly tried to achieve that goal.  This is another opening for them.

Fixed it for you.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:34 | Link to Comment No Bid
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The US has global dominance already.  Do not follow your logic.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:39 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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The US has global dominance already.  Do not follow your logic.

The US doesn't control Iran, it doesn't control Syria and it doesn't control Afghanistan, and it's losing control of Egypt, Jordan and maybe even Saudi Arabia.

Imagine if China offered to trade in Renminbi with the Middle East?  After all, those Renminbi can be traded for electronics, clothing, engineering expertise, toys, computers, cars, all sorts of things.  Seems like a better deal for the Middle East than just trading oil for T-Bills - don't you think?

If China did such a thing though, the US would consider it an act of war, but if China just dumped their T-Bills the next day, what would the US fight the war with?  The strategic reserve of oil is 6 months.  It would paralyze US industry entirely.

China will let this facade go on, until the US dollar just fails, then they will step in.  They don't want to provoke a war, they don't need to - the US has already hung itself.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment SilverFiend
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I do believe that is a check mate!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:52 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Do you not think that the US has been engaged in a proxy war with Iran in Iraq for several years now?

No, not several years.

57 years.  If the United States didn't overthrow the Iranian Democracy in 1953 in order to steal oil, in Operation Ajax, there would have been no Iranian police state.  If there was no Iranian police state supported by the CIA and funded by the US government, there would have been no Iranian Revolution.  If there was no Iranian Revolution, there would have been no Islamic Revolution.

You're bitching about Iran - why?  The United States created the regime that is there today.

The point is that Iran wants dominance in that region,

Hmm, maybe they want that because they're a bit paranoid about the United States' dominance in the region.  After all the United States is on either side of them in Iraq and Afghanistan and has been threatening to bomb them for almost a decade over a nuclear program.

Meanwhile, the same United States turns a blind eye to a bunch of crazy Jewish nutcases that does have a nuclear weapons program, which Israel created in secret, when Israel isn't a signatory to the IAEA.

Bitch about them.  They're constantly expanding, they're constantly attacking their neighbors, and they have Samson Option, not to mention, they kill protestors all the time, except, who cares about them - they're not Jewish, they're fine to kill.

Oh, and Israel gets 3 billion dollars in "aid" every year from the United States, and they are constantly threatening to attack Iran.

 

Why should Iran want to have some influence over the region?  They don't face any external threats - right?  It's not as if Iran is acting rationally to a very real threat - is it?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:11 | Link to Comment No Bid
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I guess it's not obvious.  

Israel and the US are friends, Iran and the US are not.  

It's only logical that Iran would want influene in their region.  It follows that the US would like to prevent that.  

The reap what you sow argument doesn't work unless you're under the assumption that geopolitics do not change over time.

Remember when we armed the Afghan rebels to defeat the Soviets?  So do I.  That served a purpose, and had negative long term consequences.

You may not be from America so I'll spell this out for you: As a global power you do what you can to take care of today's situation with the assumption that you will be able to handle future costs.  

The main problem in Iraq is that this logic didn't work, and a large part of that was because the Iraqi Sunni force that kept Iran in check was taken out, letting Iran play a stronger role.  This posed no fundamental threat to the US, or its global dominance, but the costs were apparent right away.  This may be why you're upset.

Iraq is still the main battleground for them, but if they think they can gain leverage in SA they will do so, likely covertly, which means terrorism.  

You're very defensive of Iran.  Knowing that Iran cannot knock the US off its perch as sole superpower, but can cause it real pain [along with the rest of the world] via oil prices, why do you support their tactics of arming insurgents and funding terrorism?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:26 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Israel and the US are friends, Iran and the US are not. 

Yeah, what great friends.

Pollard is in jail and is serving a life sentence, Israel still hasn't disclosed what information Pollard disclosed to them, and Larry Franklin is serving a 13 year sentence.

Why are we "friends"?

Remember when we armed the Afghan rebels to defeat the Soviets?  So do I.  That served a purpose, and had negative long term consequences.

What purpose was that?  If the USSR managed to take over Afghanistan, just precisely what would this have accomplished?

You may not be from America so I'll spell this out for you: As a global power you do what you can to take care of today's situation with the assumption that you will be able to handle future costs. 

As a fellow American, let me spell this out for you:

Screw the rest of the world.  We don't need it.  The only thing that can destroy this nation is dependence on other nations.  The US debt makes us dependent on other nations.  Military supression of other nations to get resources below cost puts us in a situation, and makes us dependent on controlling that situation, which eventually we won't be able to do.

The main problem in Iraq is that this logic didn't work, and a large part of that was because the Iraqi Sunni force that kept Iran in check was taken out, letting Iran play a stronger role.  This posed no fundamental threat to the US, or its global dominance

Global dominance.

China doesn't have global dominance.  Does it?  I mean, they can bankrupt us overnight, but dumping 900 billion dollars of treasury bills.  Hmm, if China refused to accept dollars bills, and instead requires that only Euros could be used to buy any of their products, that wouldn't kill us would it?

You're confusing military keynesianism with global dominance.  For 900 billion dollars, China has basically bought an option to ensure the US never can use military power against them.  That's our military budget for 18 months and now that they manufacture everything from CPUs to underwear, I don't really know if they even need that 900 billion dollars anymore in treasury bills.

You're very defensive of Iran.  Knowing that Iran cannot knock the US off its perch as sole superpower

We're not a superpower!  We can't win a war in Iraq after it was under sanctions for a decade, and now they have no military.  You people are delusional.

why do you support their tactics of arming insurgents and funding terrorism?

I don't support any of their tactics.

I just don't care.  They can do whatever they want.  I don't care.  It isn't my country.  I don't live in the region.

Oil is still going to be produced and sold on the open market, no matter what.  Iran still sells oil, and once it goes on the market, it's sold all over the world.  Israel buys oil from Iran.  It's just a freaking commodity.

We're not Iraq to protect US interests, we're there to protect US business interests.  This isn't designed to help you, you idiot, it's designed to help a group of US corporations.  We've done this for 50 years, and the result is, our government slowly became fascist, as you idiots cheered it on wrapped in the flag, with your little yellow magnetic ribbons (not stickers!  They could scratch the paint) stuck to your cars.

Now the situation is, how to control you, as all this shit unravels..  Hmm, Patriot Act, Warrantless wiretapping, TSA, Homeland Security..  I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.  Gee, I bet it's just a coincidence.  It's all about protecting you, not protecting the assholes that run this government.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:48 | Link to Comment No Bid
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Why are we "friends"?

Similar strategic interests.

What purpose was that?  If the USSR managed to take over Afghanistan, just precisely what would this have accomplished?

But they didn't.

Screw the rest of the world.  We don't need it.  The only thing that can destroy this nation is dependence on other nations.  The US debt makes...

Agreed to an extent about the rest of the world.  I'd simply say that putting our interests first every single time is a logical and appropriate thing to do.  

Debt is not a part of this discussion, but I agree with you that it's a major weakness.

China doesn't have global dominance.  Does it?

No.  And a permanent sell order from China would not work out well for them either.  Unless you think they are not rational players, this option is very unrealistic.

We're not a superpower!  We can't win a war in Iraq...

The US Navy's global power projection disagrees.  Also, it took what, 3 days to knock the Iraqi regime out of power?  What we've not had success at is fighting guerilla warfare with an enemy that is not afraid to use civilians as cover.  We might be more formidable if the press didn't hammer our military for every little thing that goes wrong in war.  Simply put, if we were allowed to fight them in the same manner they are fighting us, they [and I mean the terrorist insurgents] would not stand much of a chance.

This isn't designed to help you, you idiot, it's designed to help a group of US corporations..

And there we have it.  The assumption that a strong business base in the US is somehow a bad thing, and not helping me, the useful idiot.

The endgame is always America.  I'm sorry you don't like it.   




Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:15 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Similar strategic interests.

And those are...

But they didn't.

And if they did?

Agreed to an extent about the rest of the world.  I'd simply say that putting our interests first every single time is a logical and appropriate thing to do.  

They aren't "our interests".  They are corporate interests.

We could run the entire nation off from compressed natural gas for our entire automobile industry.  Compressed natural gas cars are common in other countries, they are usually dual powered.

Debt is not a part of this discussion, but I agree with you that it's a major weakness.

It's central to this discussion.  It's not a major weakness, it's our fatal weakness.  The national debt has grown at 9.4% (on average about) for 40 years.  If the US slows down, and reduces debt expansion to that level, we'll be at 33 trillion by 2020.  By 2030, it will be over 80 trillion.  Would you like to see a graph?

http://samoyed.dnsalias.org/national_debt.jpg

The red line is the 9.4% growth rate, and the blue line is actual debt.  I drew it as a log scale so you could see it easily.  I know that doesn't coincide with government estimates.  That's because I don't lie to people as a matter of policy, like our government does.

No.  And a permanent sell order from China would not work out well for them either.  Unless you think they are not rational players, this option is very unrealistic.

In a conflict with China, China would win against the United States.  Sure, their GDP would be hurt a little bit, we'd be destroyed.  China doesn't depend on the US for it's mere survival, but the US depends on China for it at this point.

The US Navy's global power projection disagrees

Wow. The military says that they would win.  What a surprise.

Also, it took what, 3 days to knock the Iraqi regime out of power?

Golly, the US took 3 days to knock out a 3rd world country's regime that had no military, navy, or airforce, and then spent 8 years there.  Wow, impressive.

What we've not had success at is fighting guerilla warfare with an enemy that is not afraid to use civilians as cover.  We might be more formidable if the press didn't hammer our military for every little thing that goes wrong in war.

Well, the US has no right to be there.  There aren't any weapons of mass destruction there.  That was the purpose of the war, officially.

Simply put, if we were allowed to fight them in the same manner they are fighting us, they [and I mean the terrorist insurgents] would not stand much of a chance.

We have no right to be there.  We could exterminate them, anybody with a nuclear weapon can.  The reality is, we can't destroy their infrastructure, because that's why we are actually there.  Ever talk to a guy that served over there?  I've talked to a few, seems like the military is placing a high priority on protecting oil pipelines and oil fields from the sampling I've talked to.  Why not talk to a few, and get their opinion?

And there we have it.  The assumption that a strong business base in the US is somehow a bad thing, and not helping me, the useful idiot.

It's not an assumption.  There's a clear precidence for it, and it's in Operation Ajax, when the US overthrew the Iranian democracy to capture 40% of their oil fields, for American oil conglomerates.  The report is declassified.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html

The endgame is always America.  I'm sorry you don't like it.  

The endgame is cleptocracy, and you're right - I don't like it.

You're witnessing a smash and grab in this nation today.  That's what the banking bailouts actually are. You just don't realize this is what you've been fooled into supporting.  None of this has to do with your interests.  It never had anything to do with that, but as long as you think it does, you'll support it.  That's how a cheap whore like you is bought off and sold out.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment smithcreek
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Before you even think about defending what the US has done by bringing freedumb and dumbocracy there, talk to an Iraqi - ask them if they feel they are better off.

 

Honestly, I don't know what they would say, but apparently you do?  Dumbass.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:57 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Honestly, I don't know what they would say, but apparently you do?  Dumbass.

Of course I do.

Guess what I'm sitting in front of?  I'm sitting in front of a communication device with which I can talk to anybody in the world with.  It isn't hard to find out, you stupid moron.  The internet isn't just a place to shoot you stupid mouth off and to look at porn with.  Seriously, you can use it to find out stuff with, really!  You can actually talk to an Iraqi on the Internet, even an Iranian.  Try it!

And you can ask their actual opinion about how they actually feel about the United States.  Isn't that incredible?

The wonders of modern technology.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment No Bid
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Hilarious.  So you comment on Huffington post and all of a sudden your best friends with scores of English-speaking Iraqis, hence your views.  What's your handle?  I'll create an account with an Arab name and tell you my thoughts.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Hilarious.  So you comment on Huffington post and all of a sudden your best friends with scores of English-speaking Iraqis, hence your views.  What's your handle?  I'll create an account with an Arab name and tell you my thoughts.

Its' very easy to tell when somebody is actually from Iraq.

Here's a picture of my dog:

http://samoyed.dnsalias.org/dog.jpg

Click that, and I have your IP address.  I mean, we're just having a friendly chat, it shows up right in my apache log, then it's just a little visit to this webpage:

http://whatismyipaddress.com

It's frustrating how stupid people are.  I spent the early part of my career making internet available to a wide population.  I worked at Cable Labs in Colorado.  I worked at RCA, Motorola, and a startup making cable modems.  The expectations back then was that the Internet would homogonize the world.  That once people could talk to anybody, they would, and they would see the conflict is between governments and not individuals.

Of course we were wrong, because only smart people do this.  We never realized how damned stupid people really are.  Who could have possibly imagined that nobody would think to talk to somebody from a different culture to learn their viewpoint?  The idea was unthinkable to me, when I was doing this.  Of course people would be interested in talking to other people from different cultures.

Or so nearly everybody I worked with, thought.

Here's to over-estimating people.  I sure as hell did.  You people are totally freaking stupid.  Get on a random site and try to contact an Iraqi.  Go to Usenet news.  Use google translate.  How freaking easy do we have to make it for you morons?  God damn, if we lowered the bar to being buried 6 feet under ground, you still couldn't be made to walk over it.  You're so lazy it astonishes me.

You know how supposedly the Chinese government is encouraging it's citizens to buy gold and silver?  It's a lie, or at least was a lie when I first checked over a year ago.  It's a bit difficult to talk to an Iraqi, it takes time to find one, what with their bombed out country and all - but Chinese - they're all over the net.  But - too difficult to ask anybody, right?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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rich, not seen you here before.

I like the conviction and thoroughness with which you write.

Good stuff.

ORI

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:01 | Link to Comment No Bid
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Listen, we clearly disagree on the finer points of this discussion, but I can at least tell that you think for yourself, unlike posters on HP or other political blogs or whatever.  So, I respect your disagreement.  

I would just like to make one final comment. As for:

Who could have possibly imagined that nobody would think to talk to somebody from a different culture to learn their viewpoint? " 

Much like you don't care about what terrorists do outside the US, I don't care what Europe et al [yes even Iraqis] think about the US unless their thinking will affect their interests in a way that changes our geopolitical/strategic relationship with them.  Europe and the Middle East can cry foul when we invade Iraq.  Does not bother me.  Libyan rebels can damn the US for not helping them kick Daffy out for slaughtering his own citizens.  Does not bother me.  


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:25 | Link to Comment rich_wicks
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Europe and the Middle East can cry foul when we invade Iraq.

One day this country will be invaded.  I hope you're alive and experience it, so you can understand how an Iraqi might feel.

You think this is about Europe or the Middle East and what they officially say and how they supposedly feel.

It's about soverignty, and right or wrong, Iraq is the problem and sole problem of the Iraqi people.  You still don't get it, incredibly.

When some foreign nation blows your family's collective ass up, supposedly for your own good, maybe you'll understand.  It's doubtful you'll live to see it, that's a pity, because that's the only way you'll be able to comprehend the situation.  However, they say suffering is a good teacher, rest assured, you'll be taught other lessons soon enough when the bill for all this happy horseshit comes due.  I figure 8 years on the outside, but I could be wrong, the US is very adept at keeping plates spinning.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:13 | Link to Comment samsara
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Tyler,  More coverage of ME and Bahrain/SA along with Japan.

SA is a critical story still.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:13 | Link to Comment TexDenim
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Bahrain was an island of stability and business acumen. What has happened there is inexcusable and totally the fault of the Crown Prince, who has a Harvard MBA and had articulated a business plan on CNBC that could have been written by GE. This NEVER should have happened. The military has over-reacted and set the country back 20 years.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:26 | Link to Comment Crassus
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A business plan that could have been written by GE? What an irrational and ungrateful people he rules.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:33 | Link to Comment TexDenim
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OK, I take your point. All I was trying to say is that the real ruler of Bahrain (the crown prince) is a rational actor. In that part of the world, that is the exception to the norm.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:52 | Link to Comment zaknick
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He was a rational actor. He signed a marine boundary demarcation treaty with Iran last year and stated Bahrain could not be used by the US to attack Iran. This was during Hillbillary's tour of the ME in which she bared her teeth at all attempting to get them on board for war on Iran. Bahrain and Egypt refused to go along with so the "NED"( what a joke) color revolutioned their asses.

www.tarpley.net

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment falak pema
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God has decided that the house of Saud is the house of Atreus. Now Cassandra will start singing "who will free me of this despot Agamemnon? He abducted me when he burnt my beloved Troy". Clytemnestra, Agamemnon's abandoned wife is there to avenge herself for her husband's betrayal of her queenly role and his criminal sacrifice of Iphigenia their daughter to obtain from the Gods the winds that allowed his fleet to sail to Troy to try recapture that face that launched a thousand ships : Helen. We know how that ended...

In the Middle east of today : Clytemnestra is Iran, Cassandra is Bahrain. Troy is the Iranian/Iraqian OIL patch. So watch out  Agamemnon, you reign is about to end ...according to Homer!!

Agamemnon...obviously is the US-Saud global alliance about oil sharing. Its the pot of gold that keeps the world of today spinning on its axis...For how long?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Kina
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So will the Libyan rebels take out any oil installation they can get their hands on and as parting gift to the West for holding off on no fly zone.??

Likewise Bahrain.

 

They all ought to know this is all about protecting the West's access to oil.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Crassus
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As a practical matter the rebels should have distroyed the refinery in Ras Lanuf before evacuating the city. Without air support, artillery and armor they are a guerrilla army and must not hold cities but rather make the Libyan Army pay dearly for taking a city.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Indeed, makes you wonder what their real motives are. And yet, they kicked out the brits, Thay can't be that naive, can they?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Indeed, makes you wonder what their real motives are. And yet, they kicked out the brits, Thay can't be that naive, can they?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Indeed, makes you wonder what their real motives are. And yet, they kicked out the brits, Thay can't be that naive, can they?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Indeed, makes you wonder what their real motives are. And yet, they kicked out the brits, Thay can't be that naive, can they?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Bubbles...bubbl...
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Indeed, makes you wonder what their real motives are. And yet, they kicked out the brits, Thay can't be that naive, can they?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:56 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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obuma "the golfer" (gave up round ball after getting his chops split.).is showing the world that none of the multiple crisis areas across the world are more important than a solid putting stroke.

what more proof do we need that he is a puppet run by unnamed elite?

If you just landed in a UFO and looked at the last 4 years, would you think that there is any leadership and power in the hands of USA pols?..just the fact that a sitting president has all his records (birth, travel via passports,school records) placed off limits..makes a joke out of the voting process.

tongue tied ex boozer ran the country for 8 yrs and then sold the treasury to GS via Paulson should give you a clue as well/...

The shadow government, for all who want to see. is in your face.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:00 | Link to Comment monopoly
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Am I not paying atttention or has Obama left the stage. Awfully quiet in the scam house. This is just the beginning. Those that think this is all going to be ok in a month or two do not seem to remember that this has been going on for over 2,000 years.

Amazing. Buy AMZN. Rigghhtt.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 09:56 | Link to Comment ivars
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I think we are going into the secong peak of this graph I made on February 6th, with Brent reaching 125-130 USD in early April. The first peak in the end of February was predicted accurately, as was drop in first half  of March:

http://www.saposjoint.net/Forum/download/file.php?id=2609

After that, oil prices will drop again till beginning of May, than top out again in July, with Brent reaching 135-140 USD.

Continued spreading supply disruptions will be the main cause of this erratic price behaviour, but perhaps QE3 will kickstart Oil prices in July and then of course, QE3 will be doomed, and cancelled. Let us see.

 

 

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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watch for Shiite shot down in Bahrain = Franz Ferdinand 2.0

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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You are missing the logistic requirements of your argument. 

Iran don't got none.

Iran doesn't want a war on it's lands as it's government will be overthrown.  All during that confrontation, Ahmendinnerjacket will claim he is "winning"...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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If NATO feels it can enter a sovereign nation (Libya) and Saudi Arabia feels it can enter Bahrain, then seems to me they have set international law precedent and China can enter Vietnam, etc....and Iran can enter Iraq.

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